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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2007, 09:41:46 AM »
AIDSMEDS is not in the habit of dissecting other websites' claims. Our risk assessment and transmission vectors LESSONS are culled NOT from third-hand and outdated non-sourced material. Rather, they are built from first-tiered peer-reviewed science. To the best of my understanding, no other website dedicated to HIV infection has gone to that trouble.

There have been no documented cases of female-to-female oral HIV transmission. In every researched claim, there have been other risk factors (i.e. heterosexual sex, sharing IV drug needles) which ARE, in fact, considered high risk activity.

Saliva contains over a dozen compounds which inhibit HIV and render it inert. More to the point, the fluids with which one comes into contact during cunnilingus are not infectious.

I am sorry, but the history of the pandemic shows the lesbian community virtually untouched by HIV. I am also sorry that the site you chose to visit contains inaccurate, unsourced, and outdated information (I recognize much of the wording from safer sex messages from the early 1990s).

You simply do not get HIV from kissing, cunnilingus, or fingering. You simply don't. I will be happy to source my material for you, if reading the scientific basis for these assertions will help.


"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2007, 09:50:11 AM »
THANK YOU Jkinatl2 for your kind words, compassion and information. 
I must admit that reading all this information on other websites is not only confusing, terrifying, conflicting but the positive ones that say it's not 'a risky activity' do help to ease my worries abit.  If you do have any information regarding the transmission routes, cunnilingus, lesbians and facts, I would really appreciate it if you could kindly forward this onto me.
Hopefully then with all the scientific information on hand I can finally put my worries to rest.

I know alot of you probably just saying 'just go and get tested' but it is not as easy as that.

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2007, 10:04:47 AM »
You have all the information that you need. There's really nothing more to be said in that domain.

You're hanging around in the domain of fears and what ifs, a very unhealthy place. Maybe it's time for you to see a mental health professional to get some support with why this has become such a nagging issue for you.

As for testing to resolve any doubts as to your status, you don't have to feel brave or feel anything in particular to get tested. You can go in quaking and terrified and still get it done.

The question for me is how long are you going to indulge in this torturing yourself about this.
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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2007, 10:25:43 AM »
Due to formatting issues, the only pre-made post I have involves fingering - though it touches on saliva and cunnilingus as well. I shall endeavor to spend some hours this evening rewriting my posts regarding saliva and cunnilingus specifically, as well as seeing what new science is out there.

Here is what seems to be transferring from my desktop to this forum intact. Again, it concentrates on fingering, but leads off into a discussion of HIv transmissin science and the rather specific methods by which HIV infects CD4 cells and specific dendritic cells:

In fingering, only menstrual blood carries any significantly infectious fluids. This is because the vaginal secretions found in the vaginal walls and the opening of the vagina are relatively uninfectious. it is the cervical fluids, deeper in the vaginal area, which pose a greater infectivity risk due to a higher concentration of active HIV.

Note I use the term ACTIVE and not alive. technically, HIV is not alive. It cannot reproduce on it's own. It requires a very specific type of white blood cell to infect with it's genetic material and essentially turn into an HIV producing factory. These receptive cells are commonly found in the urethra, in the dendritic cells under an uncircumsized foreskin, in the anus, and in the vagina. To a far lessor degree, there are some in the tonsil area as well.

So we have established that even if infectious fluids got into a cut in your finger, they would have to travel through your bloodstream and encounter one of these receptive cells. Not as likely event, at all. To the point where forcing it to happen in a lab using monkeys/primates and SHIV is largely unsuccessful. In a petri dish? Perhaps. In a bipedal organism? Difficult, if not impossible to achieve.

Now, about those infectious fluids. You realize that HIV mutates constantly, correct? Part of it's difficulty as regards a cure or vaccine is this constant mutation. Not the sort of mutation that makes a blood-borne pathogen airborne, but one which, in the long run, helps it to survive. HIV wears down an immune system by stimulating an immune response once the host is infected. And the host then produces antibodies, which destroy the viral particles and infected cells that are recognized.

At this point in infection, almost all the HIV is purged temporarily from the blood. However, reservoirs in the brain, organs, and lymphatic system are still there, and they mutate just enough so that the body must re-recognize them and mount another immune defense. This goes on for years and years in most cases, until the ability of the body to mount further defenses is compromised to the point where the immune system basically collapses. During this time, the host is left more and more defenseless against common pathogens, until finally it succumbs, either to an external pathogen or an internal function that an intact immune system would otherwise regulate.

Knowing this, and keeping in mind that the virus constantly mutates, it is not a particularly efficient virus. Most of the mutations are worthless, lacking one protein or another which makes it basically inactive, unviable. It is Darwinism at a miscroscopic scale, and greatly advanced.

See, the perfect HIV, the "goal," if you will, of HIV is to infect a host and reproduce and spread without killing the host. Not due to any altruism on it's part, but a dead host can't infect others. This is why outbreaks of Ebola and Marberg viruses are almost always brief and contained. it would take much engineering to reproduce a species-killer like "The Stand." It would involve a virus behaving in a totally different fashion than any other.

So the odds of an active, VIABLE viral particle finding it's way INTO your bloodstream, finding a receptive white blood cell (dendritic and T cells) and then successfully injecting it with it's genetic material - through a cut in the FINGER which almost instantly seals itself from external danger, and which bombards the area with elements specifically dsigned to protect and heal the skin - is purely in the realm of the theoretical. Why is there so little research? because it can't be forced to happen with any regularity in a lab, in a primate, in a monkey.

It has never been documented to happen. In the real world, the one we live in, it does not happen. It is hell on wheels to even make something like that occur in a carefully monitored laboratory. Even a petri dish is no friend to HIV.

Why do some doctors and scientists still caution? Because people mired in academia are rarely in touch with the actual, quantifiable world. The notion of "theoretical risk" and 'actual risk" are merged into a single hysterical message. There is a theoretical risk that a planet-destroying asteroid will smash the earth. There is a theoretical risk that our sun will explode. I think you get my intent here.

Let me recap:

Vaginal secretions: extremely unlikely to infect even if exposed to dendritic cells. Thus, cunnilingus is not considered a viable HIV risk.

Fingers: self sealing, and not containing receptive cells which HIV needs in order to infect.

Brothel: in western and industrialized nations, sex workers have a relatively low HIv rate compared to sex workers in Africa and other industrialized nations. However, even an HIv positive female is not going to have enough active viral particles in her vaginal secretions to present a risk to a finger or a tongue.

Fingering is not a risk for HIV, and PEP/testing is not warranted for such an activity.

That's not me talking, it's the science and the epidemiology talking.

Sources:

http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/1988/ad880100.html

http://www.aegis.com/aidsline/1990/may/m9050993.html

http://www.aegis.com/conferences/iac/2002/thpec7405.html



I try to stay away from studies which rely solely on post-infection patient reports. They are notoriously unreliable, and even with multiple screenings and interview, the science is not solid. I also try to keep my patient-tracking study to within the last ten to fifteen years (as in the case of the Romero Study, where a ten year period of time was used to track serodiscordant couples). HIV transmission science is relatively new, and the means and methodology by which we are able to pinpoint what does and does not cause HIV infection was ONLY made possible by the advent of the protease inhibitor breakthrough in the mid-1990s. Prior to that, people simply did not remain healthy, and sexually active long enough post diagnosis to form a long term study.

However, I do not hesitate to use laboratory-based findings from the late 1980s and 1990s. The science which illuminated the inhibitory elements in saliva, for example, have been clarified since the original studies were published. But the initial science was sound. I am certain that as time goes on, further clarification will reinforce these initial studies.

I know that Ann has at her disposal reams of documentation regarding the female anatomy, and the specific types of fluids which are considered infectious (and why). I shall endeavor in the future to fill in my own gaps in knowledge insofar as this is concerned.

The serodiscordant studies I referenced are as follows:

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/102255339.html

An exerpt from the paper:

<<Page-Shafer et al., 1997; Vittinghoff et al., 1999; Celum et al., 2001). Keet et al.(1992) found that more than half of incident HIV infections attributed to receptive oral sex (fellatio) were misattributed due to response bias, wherein a high proportion of study participants did not report anogenital sex in written questionnaires, but later did report this practice in face-to-face interviews, leading researchers to conclude that oral acquisition of HIV occurs, but its frequency may be overestimated because of reluctance to report more stigmatized practices, including anal sex. Two more recent studies underscore the very low infectivity of HIV in association with oral sex in heterosexual and MSM populations. In a longitudinal study of serodiscordant heterosexual couples, del Romero et al.(2002) found no incident HIV infections in over 19,000 unprotected orogenital contacts with an HIV-infected partner. In a study of MSM HIV testers in San Francisco who practiced only oral sex (Page-Shafer et al., 2002), no prevalent or incident HIV infections were detected in an estimated 1519 person-years of risk exposure (Balls et al., 2004).>>

source:

http://adr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/19/1/152

Also:

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:16700731

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mksg/odi/2006/00000012/00000003/art00002


You will note that almost ALL of the oral sex transmission studies have focused on fellatio, specifically receptive fellatio (swallowing seme) - though not to the exclusion of cunnilingus. The reason being, there is simply NO documentation which suggests that cunnilingus is a viable HIv transmission vector. And the absolute dearth of subjects to study makes such specific experiments nearly impossible.

I do not know if all this is too much information. And I do not know if even armed with the science, your fears will be assuaged, Fear, I note, is immune to reason in many cases. However, the science is all I have to work with.


"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2007, 10:28:41 AM »
I know Andy this is something that is worrying me to no end and the more I keep telling myself that I have nothing to worry about .... the more I think about it.  I have good days and bad days, where I go for months not thinking about it and trying to live a normal, healthy mind life and then something crops up and all the emotions are relived again.  

I know you have all given me the facts and tried to put my mind to rest, but the more I can get the more I find live just a little easier to live with.  I keep checking my body every day for new marks, blemishes and any weird symtoms and pray each day that God will bless me with more time!

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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2007, 10:36:23 AM »
jkinatl2, you are an absolute gem and if I lived closer to you .... I'd give you a big hug of appreciation for taking your valuable time to help me out and educate me with the forms and means of transmission.

I've printed out each page and I'm going to be reading it really carefully.  Would you mind if I made contact with you to discuss things as my HIV knowledge (which I'm sure you've seen) isn't too clear on the finer details of the female anatomy, etc?
Here's blowing you a big kiss of appreciation and thanking you from the bottom of my heart! 

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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2007, 10:44:40 AM »
I am glad this has been of some help.

Honestly, I seem to have exhausted my knowledge of the female anatomy insofar as HIv transmission is concerned. I have also, it would appear, come close to exhausting the available science as regards female-female HIv transmission. Reason being, there are simply no firmly documented cases in which the methodology of post-infection patient report analysis were not utilized.

 Ann really is the expert on this topic, as it was she who informed me about the Bartholin's Gland versus the deeper cervical fluids insofar as infectivity is concerned. When and if I manage to find new information, I shall endeavor (after running it by Ann/Andy/Tim/Annie et al) to post it. I doubt there will be very much more reliable, recent information. But I will continue to look, and post where/when appropriate.

And I apologise to those who access this forum via dial-up connection. My post was obscenely long. If desired, I will trim or edit it, or chop it into bits.



"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2007, 10:49:17 AM »
OF,

You already HAVE made contact with Jonathan right here in this forum and right here in this forum is where your contact should remain. There is no reason to take your discussion off-forum as its presence here will help others.

And just to remind you of something I told you a couple months ago, I don't just talk about safer sex and hiv, I practice what I preach too. If there were any chance that cunnilingus were a risk factor for hiv infection, I would not engage in this practice with my partner. We've been together over eight years and he remains hiv negative, even though we do practice oral sex.

Looking for blemishes on your body will not inform you of your hiv status. The ONLY thing that will tell you your hiv status is testing. And yes, it really is that simple. I don't understand your reluctance to test, because unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse you're not telling  us about, your result is pretty much guaranteed to come back negative.

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« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2007, 10:57:41 AM »
Great ... well now I know your name at least!  THANK YOU Jonathan for all your help and input, I really do appreciate it and hope to clarify a few nagging points that I keep going on about. 

To Ann, I also appreciate and value your comments and time, I think you're all doing a wonderful job here trying to calm and reasure worry warts like myself.  I do agree with you totally that what is said here, should remain here as the information that Jonathan has given me will not only help others but hopefully give us all the courage to get tested. 

I can PROMISE you one thing though - this is the only activity I have practiced - no unprotected anal or vaginal sex so if what you've been telling me is the honest (which I'm sure it is), documented and realiable truth ..... THEN I HONESTLY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and SHOULD GET ON WITH LIFE!

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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2007, 11:06:04 AM »
THEN I HONESTLY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and SHOULD GET ON WITH LIFE!

Yes, please do.

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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2007, 11:14:17 AM »
THANK YOU ANN ..... you're my rock and I hope your partner realises just how luck he is to have you!
I hope to finally put this nightmare behind me and I know deep down what you're telling me is the honest, to goodness medical truth.  Johathan mentioned to me that you know more about the female anatomy and all, so if you could kindly forward some information regarding it all for me to read and educate myself more on, I would really appreciate it.

TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS!!

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« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2007, 08:33:29 AM »
Ann, please can you send me some documentation on the woman's anatomy on how HIV is transmitted from woman to woman.

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Ann really is the expert on this topic, as it was she who informed me about the Bartholin's Gland versus the deeper cervical fluids insofar as infectivity is concerned. When and if I manage to find new information, I shall endeavor (after running it by Ann/Andy/Tim/Annie et al) to post it. I doubt there will be very much more reliable, recent information. But I will continue to look, and post where/when appropriate.

I'd like to read up more on this.
Thank you

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« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2007, 08:55:31 AM »
OF,

I can't send you documentation on how hiv is transmitted from woman to woman because none exists. It isn't transmitted from woman to woman (unless they're sharing drug injecting needles). That's what we've been trying to tell you!

If you want to know more about women's anatomy, there are plenty of very good sources on the internet and I'm sure you can find them in your own time.

The link I already gave you for information on the Bartholin's glands would be a good start.

And re-read your entire thread. I can't think of anything else to tell you that we haven't already told you.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2007, 09:04:01 AM »

If you've read the Welcome Thread like you're supposed to, you would have read the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned. We've repeatedly given you the facts, now it's your turn to deal with them. We cannot do anything more for you here.

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PS - remember the warning I gave you (above) on July 27th? It's still in effect.

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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2007, 10:00:15 AM »
Ann, I did read the Welcome Thread and "Lessons of Transmissions" over and over again ... this is the reason why I keep coming back to the same issues as it's not really conclusive to what everyone here has been telling me.

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The reason why sexual activity is a risk for HIV transmission is because it allows for the exchange of body fluids. Researchers have consistently found that HIV can be transmitted via blood, semen, and vaginal secretions. It is also true that HIV has been detected in saliva, tears, and urine. However, HIV in these fluids is only found in extremely low concentrations.  Oral-Vaginal Sex

Like the study of fellatio, evaluating the risk of unprotected oral-vaginal sex (cunnilingus) is difficult, given that most people surveyed in studies did not avoid other types of unsafe sexual activity. However, there have been case reports highlighting one case of female-to-female transmission of HIV via cunnilingus and another case of female-to-male transmission of HIV via cunnilingus. Both of these cases involved transmission from receptive partner (the one receiving oral sex) to the insertive partner (the one performing oral sex).


I know you've warned me .... I'm only looking for the facts and nothin more. 
Surely you can understand my ordeal and want to help me try to understand it all? 

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« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2007, 10:17:15 AM »
OF,

As Jonathan already pointed out to you, those two alleged cases of transmission via cunnilingus have huge question marks over them as in BOTH cases, it was later found that there had been other behaviour that put them at risk for infection. In one case it was male to female via intercourse (which the woman initially refused to disclose) and I think the other case involved needle sharing.


There have been no documented cases of female-to-female oral HIV transmission. In every researched claim, there have been other risk factors (i.e. heterosexual sex, sharing IV drug needles) which ARE, in fact, considered high risk activity.


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« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2007, 10:22:07 AM »
Thank you Ann
Would these studies have included the whole world or just the United States and are these current findings?  Reason why I'm asking is that I live in South Africa were AIDS is quite rife and we have no data backing any of this information up?

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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2007, 10:28:08 AM »
OF,

I told you ages ago that your location has nothing to do with and does not change the scientific facts of hiv transmission.

I'll tell you one more time - if you cannot bring yourself to believe us, go test and collect your negative result. I see no point in constantly re-hashing this information with you.

I'm going to go ahead and give you that time out I've warned you about. Do not create yet another new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned, no questions asked.

Please use this time to test and also to seek out counseling where you can address your hiv anxiety and learn how to cope with it. We can't help you with that here.

We've repeatedly given you the facts, now it's your turn to deal with them.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2007, 01:24:50 AM »
Hi all .... just wanted to let you know that I'm going to be having my blood taken for an HIV test to be done for insurance purposes today.  Please pray for me and I hope that everything I've been told here is the absolute truth and I really having nothing to worry about.  I'm so scared that I feel ill!

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2007, 01:36:08 AM »
You'll test negative.

If you don't I'll pay for your plane ticket to Australia so you can kick me in the butt.

MtD

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2007, 01:53:37 AM »
matty.the.damned .... will take you up on that offer as my husband will probably kill me here anyway!
Thank you and praying that won't be necessary!

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« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2007, 02:28:42 AM »
I just want to thank you all for your posts, support and response.
I'm going for my HIV test today and ask that you all say a little prayer for me.
May God be with you all.
Kelly

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Re: To all at AidsMeds
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2007, 02:55:53 AM »
Kelly,

Please keep all your additional thoughts, questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us to follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you can't find you original thread click on the red link I've provided above. Alternatively you can click on the "show own posts" link in the left hand column of any forums page.

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2007, 02:57:35 AM »
Kelly,

Don't send me PM's. Anything you need to ask me about your case can be answered publicly. You will test negative.

MtD

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2007, 03:09:29 AM »
Sorry Matt ... I just wanted to get your opinion on the whole matter and what you're thoughts were.
If no one has ever tested positive from oral sex ... then I shouldn't be the first, should I?
I feel so scared that I'm just looking for abit of support right now.
Thank you

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Re: To all at AidsMeds
« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2007, 03:23:57 AM »
Sorry Matt .... just wanted to thank everyone at Aidsmeds .... what ever the outcome of my test results would be.  Not sure I'm going to be able to do that if it turns out positive.

Thank you
Kelly

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Re: To all at AidsMeds
« Reply #76 on: November 13, 2007, 03:41:41 AM »
Then keep it in your original thread.

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« Reply #77 on: November 13, 2007, 05:29:10 AM »
Well, here it goes ... Just wanted to thank everyone at Aidsmeds .... what ever the outcome of my test results will be.  Not sure if I'm going to be able to do that if it turns out positive.

Thank you
Kelly

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2007, 01:11:23 AM »
I still haven't got my results back yet and I'm really starting to worry!
My husband had his test done on Monday afternoon and I had mine done on Tuesday ... it's now Thursday morning and we've heard nothing!  Do you think this is a need for concern.  Going out of my mind with worry.

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2007, 02:28:00 PM »
No.  Good grief.  It's only been two days for you and three for your husband...and all from what it looks like you have been told were non-risk scenarios.   
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2007, 01:48:57 AM »
thunter34 ... thank you for your comment!  So you think I should start worrying?  I mean it's now Friday morning and it's been a week for my husband's results and four days for mine....surely they'd have them by now?

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2007, 02:57:52 AM »
Oral~

Thunter said "No, good grief" as far as your worrying.....Its clear that you are unsettled.  There's nothing wrong with you calling your doctor tomorrow and asking where the results are.  It will set your mind at ease.

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2007, 03:02:21 AM »
MOONLIGHT1114, thank you!
So what you're saying is that I shouldn't worry about my HIV test as my exposure was only oral between another female and myself. I didn't go to a doctor for the test.  The Lab came out directly to me because it's for life insurance increase.  What do you think my chances are?  Surely I would have known by now if there was a problem?
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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2007, 03:05:01 AM »
I'm not a doctor or a Moderator for the site, but I have read enough times to know what a Mod would post here -- No Risk.  Read the Lessons on Transmission, I think you'll be just fine.  I didn't realize this was for a Life Insurance reason, not sure how they handle that if you test pos (which you won't).  Why not go to the Health Dept where they offer free testing?

You'll be OK, really.
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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2007, 03:06:07 AM »
Hiv is not transmitted through sexual relations between two women.

Goderator Ann knows what she is talking about......   :)
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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2007, 03:12:47 AM »
MOONLIGHT1114 ... I'm praying to God each day that what has been said to me is the documented, factual truth and that I really have nothing to worry about.  You read so many conflicting reports that yes and no it is a risk that you don't know what to believe anymore.  I think it's good that I've eventually had to take the test, as either which way my mind will be put to ease!

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2007, 01:53:36 AM »
MOONLIGHT1114 .... I still haven't received my test results.  Do you think I should wait a little longer - maybe 'no news is good news?'

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Re: Oral sex and HIV
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2007, 09:38:55 AM »
Oral,

Moonlight isn't authorised to answer questions in this forum, so there's not much point in asking her questions.

If you're concerned about what's happened to your test results, gee, maybe you should ring the place where you had the test done? But saying that, when being tested for insurance purposes like you say you have been, you can bet you'll be notified if the test result was positive.

Keep posting (other than to report what we already know - your test result is negative) and you'll be given another time out.

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