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Offline Tim Horn

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2007, 10:25:47 PM »
Philly:

While I understand your point, to suggest that poppers are harmless is akin to arguing that they're responsible for serious immune suppression.  One man's "cheap high that wears off in 1 minute" is another man's "poppers are the cause of AIDS" -- neither argument holds a lot of water, based on the scientific evidence thus far.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2007, 10:29:35 PM »
And I never said or suggested poppers were harmless, just stating that I found your comment a bit disingenuous that's all.  I'm sorry if you took offense with that.
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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2007, 06:36:23 PM »



Because the development of KS is extensively linked to VEGF and its receptors, the link between inhalant nitrites and KS may be explained mechanistically, at least in part, through the stimulation of VEGF expression by these inhalants.


from the paper at the top of this post...

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2007, 06:38:26 PM »


In particular, VEGF mRNA and protein expression were significantly up-regulated. The tumor weight and volume of a VEGF-responsive tumor were significantly increased with repeated nitrite exposure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




clearance of inhalant nitrites is rapid, its toxicological effects are not transient. Significant alterations in the expression of several cancer- and angiogenesis-related genes were observed










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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2007, 06:44:46 PM »
She is on a mission, ladies & gents.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2007, 06:55:43 PM »
Misson?  pft... it's a jihad

I also like how two moderators weigh in and he simply ignores their posts.  Rather stunning.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2007, 06:58:29 PM by philly267 »
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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2007, 07:11:02 PM »
Bimazek, were you a heavy user of poppers ? Is there anything we need to know to explain why you are so obsessed with this story? I mean if the point is to tell people that abusing poppers is not good for your health, then yes, we understand that.

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Offline bimazek

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #57 on: June 30, 2007, 04:38:42 PM »

fact
10% of american have the virus that causes KS

as tim said above there is 2000 times greater chance of getting KS if you are poz

but all those who get it are part of the 10%, so if you are unlucky enough to have got that ks virus

you would be

20,000 times more likely of getting KS if you are poz and have virus than if neg and

the immune system is pretty good at fighting it off not everyone gets it

so why increase the risk if they now know that a gene is opened by poppers associated with KS

regarding the nose covered completely in KS, my theory is the poppers unlocked the gene where it was most exposed in the nose of the individual, we now know the gene, he was poz and he had the herpes8 virus so he was suseptable

tim says
correlation does not establish causation

true but also science tries to explain things that it sees in nature

the scientific method

there is no other plausable explaination, why a persons nose who is poz would be covered in KS (perhaps he blew it too hard with a tissue, perhaps he used coke alot, there must be some explaination)

if you are one of the 90% who
do not have the virus even if you are poz
dont worry you have almost a zero chance of getting KS use popper all you want, 10x per day, you might up the risk of other cancers, but not KS

but if you are poz and you have the virus, who knows my theory is you are taking a big risk

and they dont test you and tell you if you have the virus so no one knows if they are suseptable

answers.com
About 5% of cancer in men and 1% of cancer in women result from exposure to carcinogenic substances in their work environment, Workers who are exposed to diesel fumes, such as railroad crews and truck drivers, may have a 40% greater risk of lung cancer. Diesel fumes contain benzene, formaldehyde, and dioxins. Formaldehyde alone can cause respiratory cancers http://www.answers.com/topic/occupational-exposures-and-cancer?cat=health

Substances assigned the risk phrases R45 (May cause cancer) and R49 (May cause cancer by inhalation)
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/safety/Carcinogenetclist.htm
nitrous oxide 10024-97-2
http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/teratogens.html
dozens of nitrates are listed
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npotocca.html
many nasty chemicals listed as cancer causing
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=carcinogenic+substances+list&btnG=Search

if you had KS please post on here is you used poppers

never occasionally, often , how many times over the last 3, 5, 10, 20 years before you got KS

it is an informal unscientific survey just a data point a piece of knowledge

post only if you had KS and be honest





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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #58 on: June 30, 2007, 04:47:22 PM »
carcinogenic+nitrate

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=carcinogenic+nitrate&btnG=Search

carcinogenic+amyl+nitrate

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=carcinogenic+%22amyl+nitrate%22&btnG=Search


Bacteria in the mouth chemically reduce nitrate, which is prevalent in many ... Nitrosamines are carcinogenic in animals. What level of exposure to these ...
lpi.oregonstate.edu/f-w00/nitrosamine.html -

Nitrate as an environmental carcinogen.
Nitrate as an environmental carcinogen. Cannons A. Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of South Florida College of Medicine, USA. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8920052&dopt=Abstract -

Nitrate and Health
There is a considerable amount of experimental data suggesting a role for nitrate in the formation of carcinogenic NOCs..
www.cheec.uiowa.edu/nitrate/health.html

 amyl nitrate,  a known carcinogen (cancer causing chemical) and a constituent of petrol in the UK . ...
www.ben.mills.btinternet.co.uk/chemistry/dict.htm


They are carcinogenic, and have been often supposed to be either a major cause or the ... AMYL NITRATE are the "poppers" and BUTYL NITRATE was Locker Room ...
www.talkbass.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-154943.html



the body metabolises nitrites in to nitrosamines - which are strongly carcinogenic (cancer forming)
« Last Edit: June 30, 2007, 07:47:50 PM by Ann »

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #59 on: June 30, 2007, 07:46:07 PM »
Bim,

I had a feeling this was going to happen sooner or later - you linked to an aids denialist website. Doing this is expressly against the Terms of Membership which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.

I have removed the offending link from your post and I've also given you a seven day time out.

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2007, 07:53:46 PM »
Just caught on to this thread and I have to say Bim seems kinda like a 3rd grader pitbull. Pretty hilarious but scary too.  ;D
Although I believe he meant well, he sorely needs guidance to sieve through proper relevant info before insisting they are facts.

Personally, using poppers on special occasions, causes my lymph nodes along my neck to swell; but settles after a few days. Occasionally it gives me a pretty bad headache/fever too, so I do avoid them until that special occasion comes along  :o ;D. It's kinda like saying since beer is bad for you, one should completely avoid it. Makes no sense. Everything in moderation.

Great use, at least for me, from recycling those empty popper bottles. I donate boxes to the Charmed sisters. They make magic potions to cast out demons and they do need bottles. And we do have alotsa demons to cast out dun we? lol sniff...sniff   
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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2007, 07:58:59 PM »
Great use, at least for me, from recycling those empty popper bottles. I donate boxes to the Charmed sisters. They make magic potions to cast out demons and they do need bottles. And we do have alotsa demons to cast out dun we? lol sniff...sniff  

As long as you recycle those little amber bottles you will not be judged.
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Offline poznlongbeach

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2007, 01:48:00 PM »
OK I have to add my two cents. I have KS and have been going for chemo for almost a year. Yes I have AIDS and I started getting KS when my Tcell's were at 11 and My Viral load <500000 But I have never done poppers.
SO just wanted to say you can get KS even if you are not using poppers.
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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2007, 04:58:45 PM »
Hello, and welcome to the thead.
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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2007, 08:22:05 PM »
 :o :o :o
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2007, 11:22:03 AM »
Hello Tony,  Sending you good energy  and a big virtual hug to  you while you're going through chemo. My best to you, JeffreyM

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2007, 06:19:59 PM »
Hang in there Tony. Fight a good fight and triumph. We're behind u all the way! ;)

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Re: poppers and ks - the connection?
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2007, 06:24:11 PM »
Thanks for posting, Tony.

But can't this thread just die now?

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