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Author Topic: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable  (Read 4913 times)

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Offline red_Dragon888

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The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« on: June 05, 2007, 08:49:50 PM »
The case is maybe HIV/AIDS is unstoppable.  For so many people, homosexual or heterosexual, they are willing to have unprotected sex.  Its like built into human genes to let their unprotected (bareback) mouths, asses, dicks or vaginas do the thinking and use their brains after the fact. In addition, what is worrying is that some HIV infected people, knowingly, do not care if they infect others.  It is almost like “Infect them all and let God decide if they live or die.”  On the other hand, some may think if your partner is willing to have unprotected sex that is there problem. However, what is most troubling is that HIV/AIDS is absent from popular media.  There are ridiculous anti-smoking commercials, the absurd Paris Hilton jails sentence fiascos, a minor mention on CSI, the comedies, the gossips, the law shows …etc., but no televised commercials or documentaries on stopping the spread of HIV/AIDS or the educations on the spread of HIV/AIDS.  It is as if the media, the government, the Religious Right, and public are trying to kill sectors of the public through infection with no effort to stop it.  The most New York City gets are a few posters on the subways which probable has minimal impact on the public.  Maybe this is the real dilemma; if it is not on television, “it is either not important, or just does not exist.”  Moreover, the drugs companies must see the profits of never curing HIV/AIDS.  It is better for some Drug companies to make a “Day or Week After” pill or to keep those infected alive without a cure. This is just an assumption.  Possible a few drug companies are looking to cure HIV/AIDS. Conversely, this forum is the only place to make evidence that people do care and have various views on HIV/AIDS.  This forum is a reminder that HIV/AIDS is important.   

What are your views on this subject?


   


   



   
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 10:35:34 PM by red_Dragon888 »
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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 09:08:26 PM »
I got my idea for this subject from:

 Re: I'm not HIV+, I'm kidding, I look nice
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 06:39:25 PM »   

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You know what? I'm totally fucking over this barebacking/disclosure/safe sex thing.

I reckon you should have let this moron bareback you. Who gives a shit? HIV is unstoppable, prevention is bullshit and we've already got it.

Why should we care about anyone else?

MtD
(Who knows Milkie bedded this fella)
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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 10:04:34 PM »
I think you are opening too many cans of worms to ask any one for a view....and I don't see the point of attributing Matty in your subject line to make the points you want to make.

I'm requesting that you clarify both your point and the subject line if possible.

Offline Dachshund

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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2007, 10:09:17 PM »
I got my idea for this subject from:

 Re: I'm not HIV+, I'm kidding, I look nice
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 06:39:25 PM »   

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You know what? I'm totally fucking over this barebacking/disclosure/safe sex thing.

I reckon you should have let this moron bareback you. Who gives a shit? HIV is unstoppable, prevention is bullshit and we've already got it.

Why should we care about anyone else?

MtD
(Who knows Milkie bedded this fella)

Total flamebait that should not be dignified with a response.

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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2007, 10:22:36 PM »
true but it made me think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ba3lnFHik

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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2007, 10:25:21 PM »
I think you are opening too many cans of worms to ask any one for a view....and I don't see the point of attributing Matty in your subject line to make the points you want to make.

I'm requesting that you clarify both your point and the subject line if possible.

so you are saying if I have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ba3lnFHik

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Offline Dachshund

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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 10:29:30 PM »
true but it made me think

Don't misunderstand me...the title of your thread is the flamebait not another member of the forum's opinion.

« Last Edit: June 06, 2007, 06:56:23 AM by Dachshund »

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Re: HIV is unstoppable or thanks for everything MtD
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 10:34:21 PM »
ohh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ba3lnFHik

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 10:46:42 PM »
indeed
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 10:55:26 PM »
Red,

What exactly would you have any of us say?  Matty's comment just reflects the reality that has faced the HIV Community for decades.  In the US, we can't mention the word gay or condoms or much of anything, other than abstinence, because that is all the prevention info that our government will pay for, mainly because of the religious right.  It is not the fault of poz people that our prevention messages SUCK BIG TIME, so if you don't think the messages are right, then start lobbying anyone and everyone to change those messages to reflect the scientific reality of HIV infection.

The issue of disclosing your status to someone is very personal, but the bottom line is we are each responsible for what we allow to happen to our bodies.  If you are sexually active and you do not always assume that your partner is poz, then you are a fool.  It is not my responsibility to keep someone safe, other than to disclose my status so they can make an informed decision.  While I would never top a known neg man, if someone lies to me, how am I supposed to know their true status?  There's that pesky personal responsibility thing again.  All one can do is define their own moral conduct.

I would also suggest that you do some real research on drug development and manufacturing, because some of your comments are beyond irresponsible.  Do you know how many billions of dollars have been spent developing anti-HIV drugs?  What about therapies?  Clinical Trails?  Compassionate Use programs? Do you know that for every ten drugs that enter development, at an average cost of $500 million each, only one or two, at most will ever make it to market.  So for every ten drugs identified with potential, they are lucky if one ever sees the pharmacy shelf.

And you surely do not understand basic business sense, if you can even suggest that nobody wants to find a cure for HIV.  Come on, do the math.  With 50 million pozzies world-wide, assume you develop a cure that you then sell for a large sum and you will make billions, first curing all the presently infected and then you will have a permanent market until you wipe HIV from the earth.  Years and years, making millions of doses each year and you think some drug executive would turn that down???

But what offends me the most if how you are judging people, like Matty and others, the drug companies, government prevention messages and whatever else comes into your sights.  With your comments you are denigrating thousands upon thousands of people who work tirelessly to help our cause.  How dare you insinuate that any of these workers are anything less than sincere, or would leech off the HIV community.  I'll stop there because you have really pissed me off.  I've spent decades with all types of HIV warriors and other than a few bad apples, they are a stellar bunch.

In the end, all I can offer is that I am tired of people who complain about everything, while doing nothing about anything.  If you do not like the messages, drugs, whatever, then get out and make a difference.  Instead of judging others and trying to force reality to fit your narrow views, you chose to criticize which does nothing to further the development of HIV treatment and services.

We have plenty of people who will tell us what is wrong with the world.  What we need are people who see problems and then attack the problem and not the participants of a discussion.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 11:25:20 PM by killfoile »

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2007, 03:50:56 AM »
Quote
I got my idea for this subject from:

 Re: I'm not HIV+, I'm kidding, I look nice
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 06:39:25 PM »

Hi Red Dragon

First of all the thread you got your "idea" from was started by another member of this forum and had nothing to do with MtD, he simply responded to the poster.

Naming members  and calling them out in Titles of "New topics" is flambaiting, this really is uncalled for, if you have something to say then by all means say it, but quoting a members responce from another post is not the way to go about getting your point across...it really is asking for trouble.

As we have said so many times before not everyone sees eye to eye on certain issues, we like to encourage healthy debates between our members, and we also know from past experience this can be bloody hard but it can be done, So I'm asking, please try not to judge those who have a difference of opinion.

For the record this is just my thoughts on the subject.

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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 06:42:27 AM »
You say HIV is unstoppable because of innate human behavior and they go on to say that the government, the media, drug companies and organize religion are not doing enough to stop it.

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 07:25:14 AM »
Wut wut I started a thread that created controversy? Me ? Little me?

Red, we were all infected yet knowing very well the risks we were taking. The members of this forum are usually more inclined to disclose/tell and be "proactive". Not everyone will do it, and this is how I personally got infected. Do I hate the person that infected me, knowingly or not knowingly? I couldn't care less about him, I am the one responsible for my infection, I take entire responsibility for it, and I will do my best not to transmit it to someone else.

Now I'm not a saint, I know there will be situations where I will get fucked without a condom in the dark in a sex club, and I know I will never top without a condom without disclosing. Should I leave the forum or go to the authorities and say that i'm a potential criminal? I could. I think HIV would spread faster in prison, though.

For my other thread, the situation was different, and I felt obligated to be safe and to tell. Some people will disagree, some will agree with my reasoning, open and frank discussion is welcome.

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2007, 09:10:08 AM »
Well Milker,

From reading your pasts posts, they all seem to have the same theme. I think I understand a lttle more of where Matty was coming from.  You seem to always start these disclosure threads of \\\" can you believe it? He wanted to have unprotected sex!\\\" And frankly this just seems to be getting quite trite and sounding quite contrived. Is Milker really that much of a natural born slut? Or is he just trying to stir up the pot on an otherwise calm day. Many of Milker\\\'s post are oh, but I did the right thing. Many people have already given you their opinion ranging from disclosing all the time, to disclosing some of the time, to viewing tricks as \\\"nameless pieces of meat.\\\"

What else do you hope to gain? Yes, it is great when people diclose, or when they at least play safe for the their own sake and to prevent further spread, because preventing one person from getting it is preventing many others from suffering our fate.

I think people are growing weary of the accounts where you come out as the Madonna Whore who did the right thing but would still potentially spread the wealth at a sex club, come on...

I have nothing against whores, just the sanctimonious ones, who claim to be injecting frank discussions and are hurting the image of AIDS prevention instead. Because as sexually adventuresome as you make yourself out to be, I don\\\'t think that HIV is greatly spread by people like you, but rather your run of the mill people who still have not gotten it into their heads that HIV is real, that they are not invincible, that think it will never happen to them, and that it is not as simple as popping a pill once you have the little bugger.

Carolann
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 09:56:20 AM »
Do you really need to call another board member a slut and a whore and be so judgmental when a moderator just stated we like to encourage healthy debates between our members, and we also know from past experience this can be bloody hard but it can be done, So I'm asking, please try not to judge those who have a difference of opinion. in the same thread?

Didn't you just receive a moderator admonishment yesterday, Carolann?
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2007, 09:58:44 AM »
here is something from the porn industry:

HIV Epidemic 'Could Happen Tomorrow' In Porn Industry

BETH BARRETT
1un 5, 2007 The Boston Globe
Distributed by The New York Times Syndicate

“Adult film performers Darren James and Lara Roxx, who were found to be infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, has prompted a virtual shutdown of the sex-video industry for at least 60 days and has idled countless actors, producers, directors and crew members, many of them based in and around the suburban San Fernando Valley. Nick Manning, 36, had started work on a film on April 13 when news of the shutdown came through. Manning in 2004.
Photo: Monica Almeida/The New York Times”


Three years after an HIV outbreak rocked the San Fernando Valley's adult-entertainment industry, Los Angeles health officials say production studios have failed to maintain rigorous safety standards and are imperiling hundreds of performers.

While no cases have been reported since four adult-movie performers tested positive for HIV in April 2004, health officials say they are increasingly concerned that nearly all studios have dropped -- or never even adopted -- strict condoms-only policies.

Worried about the potential for another HIV outbreak, a coalition of public, nonprofit and academic health leaders has been lobbying state lawmakers to tighten regulations.

"The reality is, an HIV epidemic could happen tomorrow," said Paula Tavrow, adjunct assistant professor in the community health sciences department at the University of California, Los Angeles. "We have no safeguards in place to prevent that."

The 2004 outbreak prompted studios to impose a temporary moratorium on production. Amid calls for government regulation, many also required performers to use condoms during filming even though studio executives worried about a potential loss in revenue because of the restrictions. Some were concerned that condoms would ruin the on-camera aesthetic of films' sex scenes.

Today, however, industry officials say almost all studios have reverted to condom-optional policies and instead rely on periodic health screenings -- a practice their lobbyists defend as effective and comprehensive.

But Dr. Peter R. Kerndt, director of the sexually transmitted disease program with the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, says periodic screening is inadequate.

Officials note that the male actor believed to have transmitted HIV to three female performers through unprotected sex in 2004 also had been regularly tested.

"They've totally relapsed," said Kerndt, who has provided technical support to the coalition lobbying for tighter legislation. "It's like it never happened. There's little regard and no protection for the people who work in this industry."

Kerndt said advocates, including the Los Angeles-based AIDS Health Care Foundation, have had difficulty finding a lawmaker to author tougher legislation.

Foundation President Michael Weinstein said his organization has talked with many legislators but none has signed on.

"This is a worker health-and-safety issue, a women's issue, a human-rights issue," Kerndt said. "This is the last at-risk population exposed unnecessarily to the risk of HIV and a host of other sexually transmitted diseases."

John Schunhoff, county Department of Public Health chief deputy director, said the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors and county health officials have supported efforts to make the industry safer, but so far have opted against sponsoring a bill.

"We have to pick our battles," Schunhoff said, although he noted health officials still might weigh in if there is an amended bill this session.

"If there is an opportunity of our becoming more active and to really make a difference, we'll do so," he said.

Sharon Mitchell, a founder and executive director of the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation in Sherman Oaks, said condoms should be used, but mandating them could backfire.

Mitchell said "renegade" performers could just go underground and even give up the current monthly voluntary testing.

"They'll run for the hills," Mitchell said. "This is a population, you tell them to do something, and they won't do anything.

"We're not in the real world, we're in the world of porn."

Mitchell, a former adult-film star who helped launch nationwide regular testing in the porn industry for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases after an HIV outbreak in 1998, also questioned the political will to enforce tougher regulations.

"People want their potholes filled. Who's going to pay for inspectors to sit around and watch people put on a condom?"

In the past decade, 17 adult-entertainment performers have tested positive for HIV, including two male performers who infected a total of nine women. Testing caught six others before the virus could be passed on, she said.

Tavrow -- who hosted a UCLA round table last fall on the issue with academics, lawyers, legislators' representatives, and porn producers and performers -- said a state law is overdue.

"Everyone knows from a health (perspective) this is a slam dunk, but there is just so much sensitivity," Tavrow said. "Few legislative offices see a large grass-roots constituency for it. Senators and Assembly members say, 'What's in it for me? Will this win me votes?' A lot of people are worried to be painted with the porn brush, as it were. They don't want to come out as 'Mr. Porn."'

State Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Los Angeles, who chairs the Senate's Health Committee, said the subject is an important workplace issue.

But she said there has been little support for tougher legislation because health officials have been unwilling or unable to do the work required, HIV activists haven't rallied behind it and hundreds of other measures compete for lawmakers' attention.

Assemblyman Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys, whose district office is in one of the largest porn-production clusters in the Valley, declined to comment on the issue.

Under current state code, employers face civil penalties for failing to protect employees from possible exposure to blood-borne pathogens.

But Len Welsh, acting chief of the California Occupational Safety and Health Administration, said his agency has difficulty enforcing the regulation in the porn industry because most performers are not full-time studio employees.

"We've had round-table discussions how to get at it and no one seems to have a good answer," Welsh said. "It's one of those things like immigration: Everyone agrees it's a problem, but no one has a solution."

Kerndt said the California Department of Public Health could tighten enforcement if legislators demand it.

But Matt Gray, a Sacramento lobbyist for the Free Speech Coalition, an adult-entertainment trade association based in Canoga Park, said the industry already employs reasonable safeguards for performers and notes that even condoms are not fail-safe.

Lawmakers also have little interest in opening a debate that would include First Amendment and censorship issues, Gray said.

"Only places like communist China step in and try to regulate how people have sex," he said.

Wicked Pictures in Canoga Park is one studio that has maintained a condoms-only policy.

"How do you make that decision and then unmake that decision?" Steve Orenstein, Wicked's president and owner, said of porn studios' 2004 announcement of the policy. "A bunch of companies stood up and said, 'Here's what we're going to do,' and today we're the only ones still doing it."

Vivid Entertainment, the region's largest adult-entertainment company, uses a condom-optional policy in which female performers decide whether to use safe-sex practices.

Company officials said they're comfortable with the policy because performers are regularly screened for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

"The reality is that there are not many girls who request condoms and we don't look at girls who do (request them) any differently then girls that don't," said Steven Hirsch, Vivid's co-chairman. "We use the girl who best fits the part."

But Bob McCulloch, a Woodland Hills attorney who represented actor Darren James in 2004 when he tested positive for HIV, said condoms are the only way to make the industry safe.

James tested negative for HIV on Feb. 12, 2004, before performing unprotected sex acts for an adult film in Brazil. He tested negative for HIV again on March 17, 2004.

Between March 17 and April 9, 2004, he performed unprotected sex acts with 13 female partners who previously had tested negative for HIV, according to a final report published in the January issue of Clinical Infectious Diseases.

On April 9, James tested positive for HIV. Three of the women he had unprotected sex with also later tested positive.

"This is not a preventative system," McCulloch said. "It's a 'reduce your damages' system. The system currently is designed to sacrifice a small number of people who, no question about it, are going to get it, and then limit the damage.

"It's a system that has damage control, but not prevention."

The Valley Exposed: The risks of porn

BY BRENT HOPKINS, Staff Writer
06/03/2007 LA dailynews.com


READ the Daily News' full Valley Exposed coverage, including multimedia. FORUM: Tell us what you think of this special series at our Valley Exposed forum.

Blond, curvaceous and sexually adventuresome, Anita Cannibal never thought she'd have trouble finding a man.

She started dancing in strip clubs a decade ago, taking her clothes off for screaming Canadian audiences. Then she moved to the San Fernando Valley and got into porn.

Cannibal figures her job made her a million bucks over the years. She bought a house with her earnings and now uses them to finance her business studies at California State University, Northridge. She plans to become a lawyer.

But she never considered the unintended consequences of pornography.

"I wouldn't have thought that it would be a problem to get into a relationship with a guy," Cannibal said. "To have a partner in life is nearly impossible for me. The guys I've dated have these problems. They say, `You have to get out of the business,' or they get hurt, or they get crazy and they want to do everything. It's really hard."

Hard in many ways, ways not found in a new employee guide or taught in trade school. Few career counselors would suggest that a student consider a job in adult entertainment.

It can be lucrative. It can bring fame. It can be easy work.

Those factors draw young actors by
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the hundreds, from high school dropouts to professionals frustrated by their choice of vocation. But along with the Coach purses, the Vegas parties and the ample amounts of sex come perils most performers never imagine.

"An 18- to 20-year-old girl, is her life ruined if she does this? Ninety percent of them, yeah," said Rob Spallone, an actor and president of Chatsworth-based Starworld Modeling. "They make their $1,000 a day, then they're out of the business and they don't have 20 cents."

`This is the worst'

At first, the money seems great. Young unknowns can come in, earn a grand for six hours of work, then do it all over again the next day. With $30,000 rolling in each month, they've soon got nice clothes and a flashy car. Flush with success, they hit the town and party. Many turn to drugs.

And when you've grown accustomed to the Cadillac lifestyle in your teens, it's hard to adjust to the Chevy budget, especially when your r sum lists porn flicks instead of a college degree.

"If I had a daughter, would she be in this? No," Spallone said. "This is the worst. They get in and say, `I'll do this six months and go back to school.' Bull. You're going back to school? You're gonna get addicted to this, to the money, to the sex."

When he got into the business in the mid-1990s, filmmakers used to ask for specific performers - the more famous, the better. Now, he says, they only ask for new, unseen talent.

This creates a difficult paradox for many young actresses: To get work, they have to perform more hard-core acts. While that pays better, it also lessens their appeal for future work and tends to shorten their career.

And in spite of the industry's attempts to police itself through regular HIV tests, Spallone says gonorrhea and chlamydia crop up regularly. So many performers contract the diseases, he said, that they've coined a term - "ping-ponging" - for the way the infections bounce from actor to actor.

"They're meteoric," said Bill "The Bear" Margold, an actor, writer, journalist and trustee of the Protecting Adult Welfare Foundation, which offers counseling and services to struggling industry members. "They come in as filet mignon, then in six months, they're hamburger. The best thing that they could be is a sterile orphan."

Margold, a huge, mustached, bushy-haired man who resembles the teddy bears that fill his office, is fond of bold pronouncements. Orphans have no parents to grieve over their career choice, he reasons, while sterility prevents later regrets when a family replaces a porn career.

He helped create PAW in 1994, after the suicide of actress Shannon Wilsey, better known as Savannah. Though he passionately defends the industry, he simultaneously steers away prospective talent he deems unprepared for the lifestyle change.

He advocates the introduction of HIV and drug testing, the adoption of a ratings system to warn of violent content and a specific tax - similar to those for cigarettes and alcohol - with the money going to fund outreach organizations like his.

"When your privates become public, you lose your privacy," he said. "People call me up and what they did 10 years ago is coming back to haunt them. And it will for the rest of their lives."

In exchange for the $1,200 she accepts for performing sex acts on camera, an actress also often signs away the rights to her performance and image. What started out as one scene can then be repackaged in endless compilation films or posted in perpetuity on the Web.

`It's that girl'

"We know a girl who didn't really do a lot of porn," said Evan Seinfeld, an actor who runs the Studio City-based adult-entertainment company Teravision with his wife, porn star Tera Patrick. "She did a little porn, a little Playboy, but there's an ad running in the back every month of 40, 50 adult magazines. She's on the inside page of every one with a (penis).

"They airbrushed it on and now it's the official ad of (a transvestite sex phone line)."

But most people don't think about that, Cannibal said. They think about the money and the possibility of fame, then dive in. She followed Margold's advice and slowly built up her career, which proved to be a wise move.

Without someone to guide her before she first had sex on camera, she's not sure how things would have gone.

"In adult, there's no training," she said. "In any other business with some kind of risk, there's training. If you're working down on the docks in Long Beach, there's safety classes. There's nothing in this industry like that."





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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2007, 10:00:56 AM »
Well Milker,

From reading your pasts posts, they all seem to have the same theme. I think I understand a lttle more of where Matty was coming from.  You seem to always start these disclosure threads of \\\" can you believe it? He wanted to have unprotected sex!\\\" And frankly this just seems to be getting quite trite and sounding quite contrived. Is Milker really that much of a natural born slut? Or is he just trying to stir up the pot on an otherwise calm day. Many of Milker\\\'s post are oh, but I did the right thing. Many people have already given you their opinion ranging from disclosing all the time, to disclosing some of the time, to viewing tricks as \\\"nameless pieces of meat.\\\"

What else do you hope to gain? Yes, it is great when people diclose, or when they at least play safe for the their own sake and to prevent further spread, because preventing one person from getting it is preventing many others from suffering our fate.

I think people are growing weary of the accounts where you come out as the Madonna Whore who did the right thing but would still potentially spread the wealth at a sex club, come on...

I have nothing against whores, just the sanctimonious ones, who claim to be injecting frank discussions and are hurting the image of AIDS prevention instead. Because as sexually adventuresome as you make yourself out to be, I don\\\'t think that HIV is greatly spread by people like you, but rather your run of the mill people who still have not gotten it into their heads that HIV is real, that they are not invincible, that think it will never happen to them, and that it is not as simple as popping a pill once you have the little bugger.

Carolann


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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2007, 10:02:21 AM »
This thread doesn't seem to have any central theme or suject and frankly, I'm getting tired reading it.
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2007, 10:04:37 AM »
This thread doesn't seem to have any central theme or suject and frankly, I'm getting tired reading it.

It's called ranting, not discussing my dear.
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2007, 10:07:07 AM »
Do you really need to call another board member a slut and a whore and be so judgmental when a moderator just stated we like to encourage healthy debates between our members, and we also know from past experience this can be bloody hard but it can be done, So I'm asking, please try not to judge those who have a difference of opinion. in the same thread?

Didn't you just receive a moderator admonishment yesterday, Carolann?

Maybe what she is trying to say is that she is tired of the hypocrisy. And she is angry.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007, 10:07:58 AM »
Yes I would say i'm a natural born slut. And until February I didn't have to think about how my actions would jeopardize someone's life. I have two ways of presenting and asking about behavior, disclosure, actions. Either tell the truth, even if it's raunchy, and may be shock people around that do not understand this way of life, or use smooth talk and get answers that cannot correspond to the real life situations.

There are many people that PM me thanking me for being that open, they are in the same situation but do not want to openly discuss this.

I do post about non-sexual things, but i'm not on meds yet, I feel great, my libido is sky high, and my days and nights are just about sex. When I have something else to talk about, I can assure you that I will. Hey, I already panicked about two little bruises..

 It's been a few months since I've been trying to adjust myself with this new life, there are good things and bad things, good behaviors, bad behaviors, i'm certainly not the best of the best and if this is a problem for some people, or if I'm going too far, i'm sure the moderators will let me know. Until then, I'm certainly not going to back off because i'm a whore, and the ignore button works very well.

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mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
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may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
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jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 10:15:04 AM »
Maybe what she is trying to say is that she is tired of the hypocrisy. And she is angry.

Then she should state that without the personal insults.  Is that too difficult?  Being angry is not a proper rational to ignore board guidelines.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 10:28:06 AM »
Then she should state that without the personal insults.  Is that too difficult?  Being angry is not a proper rational to ignore board guidelines.

and you sound angry too
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 10:29:48 AM »
Yes I would say i'm a natural born slut. And until February I didn't have to think about how my actions would jeopardize someone's life. I have two ways of presenting and asking about behavior, disclosure, actions. Either tell the truth, even if it's raunchy, and may be shock people around that do not understand this way of life, or use smooth talk and get answers that cannot correspond to the real life situations.

There are many people that PM me thanking me for being that open, they are in the same situation but do not want to openly discuss this.

I do post about non-sexual things, but i'm not on meds yet, I feel great, my libido is sky high, and my days and nights are just about sex. When I have something else to talk about, I can assure you that I will. Hey, I already panicked about two little bruises..

 It's been a few months since I've been trying to adjust myself with this new life, there are good things and bad things, good behaviors, bad behaviors, i'm certainly not the best of the best and if this is a problem for some people, or if I'm going too far, i'm sure the moderators will let me know. Until then, I'm certainly not going to back off because i'm a whore, and the ignore button works very well.

Milker.

i have been there and done that.  just be yourself
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 10:39:13 AM »
i have been there and done that.  just be yourself

will do :)

As for your initial question, I disclosed to my friend with whom I'm staying in Paris for some vacation. He had many questions, and I showed him the HIV replication video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zjTeAGyuk), as well as answering his questions about cuts, oral sex, etc. He told me that if they would show that kind of video with a simple explanation at prime time on national tv, he thinks it would help, the video is scary he said, he was surprised to hear that there are billions of replications a day, how HIV invades our immune system, what is fucked up when our T4s are infected, etc.. it scared the shit out of him.

There are extreme ads shown at prime time that show horrible accidents and tell people not to drink and drive or to buckle up. Those ads are designed to shock and they work well. Why not try the same with HIV?

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oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
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feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2007, 11:25:15 AM »
and you sound angry too

Nice transparent deflection.

I sound angry?  That's laughable. 

::senses hysteria in thread::

My posts have exceptionally balanced and well moderated in tone.  Whereas you've flame-baited other board members by placing their screen names within thread titles which you were forced to remove.  Care to comment on that atrocious tactic?
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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2007, 11:30:45 AM »
Is this thread suppose to being going anywhere? I certainly haven't figured it out.

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2007, 11:34:20 AM »
I tried answer the original question :D

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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2007, 11:34:59 AM »
I tried answer the original question :D

Milker.

You mean the one about being a slutty whore?
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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2007, 11:38:15 AM »
philly, milker can't help it, he's working on it.  ;)

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Re: The problem with HIV and is it unstoppable
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2007, 11:55:31 AM »
Red,

The ONLY thing that saved you from being timed out for this thread was the fact that you changed the title - and that only saved you by a whisker. And yes, that's a warning.

And while I'm at it, in future, don't post full articles in threads. Post a paragraph or two and post a link. It's bad practice to do otherwise.

Anyway, knock it off, all of you. The full moon was days ago.

I'm locking this thread - there's no point I can see to leave it open for you all to continue with the pot shots.

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