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Author Topic: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl  (Read 4973 times)

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Offline qwerty

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Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« on: June 20, 2006, 06:05:17 PM »
please let me know what you think about this risk.

i was involved in an encounter where a girl was giving me plus two other guys oral sex (not all in her mouth at the same time though).  what are the risks involved with one of the other guy's pre cum being in her mouth? thanks

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 06:19:09 PM »
please let me know what you think about this risk.

i was involved in an encounter where a girl was giving me plus two other guys oral sex (not all in her mouth at the same time though).  what are the risks involved with one of the other guy's pre cum being in her mouth? thanks

Qwerty,

I recognise your name from the old forums. There is no risk in what you describe. Read our Welcome Thread.

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 06:20:00 PM »
qwerty,

As you were told in the old forums, getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection, no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it. Saliva has many properties that render hiv useless and unable to infect, so this scenario of possible left-over semen isn't a risk either.

You had to create a new account because of the new forum software we are using, but your old warning about creating multiple accounts still applies here. If you create another account in this new forum, you will be banned, no questions asked. You've already had one warning. I just wanted to make that clear to you. ;)

Please also read through the Welcome Thread and make sure you click on the Lessons links as well as have a read through the posting guidelines. Thanks.

Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection. You had no risk.

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 06:35:46 PM »
thanks..I didn't know if saliva could deactivate HIV from precum from one of the other guy's that was also recieving oral sex from this girl, though.  he didn't ejaculate but I"m assuming there may have been some pre-cum in her mouth..

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2006, 09:31:17 PM »
if saliva deactivates hiv in saliva why are there reports of people contracting it by giving oral? 

http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/latex.html

"Let's start off with the good news . . . nobody has ever been infected with HIV by receiving oral sex (exposure to saliva). Not a single reported case worldwide!

However, it's time to face the truth when it comes to HIV and giving oral sex (exposure to pre-cum and semen). Yes, you can get HIV this way. There have already been cases reported of people becoming infected specifically through giving oral sex to a man. I personally know several gay men who became infected this way. They never had anal sex, never did drugs and never had a blood transfusion. But they did have guys' cum in their mouths"


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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 12:28:20 AM »
A) You received fellatio. You did not give it. Please do not try to use a discussion regarding giving fellatio to justify your fears in receiving it.

B) Assuming you read the WELCOME thread here, and the lessons for HIv transmission. If we disagreed with that science, we would either say so on theswe forums, or we would not be here. But Tim Horn gathered that information from first-tiered peer-reviewed scientific data. It's even a little conservative regarding oral sex.

C) Bringing thebody.com "evidence" here is like bringing your own knife to surgery.

You have several different people with different levels of scientific expertise often handing out contradictory advice.

Forget Sowadowsky's credentials for a moment (he has a Masters in Science in Public Health). He does not quantify his assertions regarding receptive (not insertive, the sex YOU had) fellatio except to say that there are patient reports, and that he had friends who swore, etc etc.

That's science? Sowadsky himself admitted that the "cases reported" were ALL based on patient reports, including his friends who he "personally knew" became infected that way.

How did he know? Did he follow them for years? Did he interview their partners? Did he match serotupes within the first weeks of infection to the likely culprits?

Or did he take them at their word?

If the number of people who CLAIM to have been infected via giving fellatio were anywhere NEAR accurate, there would be SOME reflection of that in the serodiscordant study. To date, one thing the serodiscordant studies are illustrating is the fallacy of patient report after the fact, especially regarding sensitive issues such as HIV and AIDS, and the stigma that exists surrounding anal sex (especially receptive anal sex in males).

I said it before and I will say it again, the plural of anecdote is not data. The three serodiscordant studies have been the BEST put together studies ever done regarding HIV tranmission. And to date, none of those studies have managed to document a single case of oral transmission in over eighteen cumulative years of work with couples of every variety (including male-male, female-female, male female, with varying dental health and varying viral loads). I amnot saying it is impossible. But the data has yet to quantify it. THAT, to me, is the VERY DEFINITION of "theoretical risk."

Of course, what this means to you?

Good question. Nothing. You had insertive fellatio. Someone gave you oral sex. There's not a risk for HIV in that, not even on thebody.com. Not even with the spins and the hoots and bells and whistles you try and place on it.

None.

If you can't accept that from this site, which is based on first-tiered peer reviewed science, then I can only surmise that science does not give you what you seem to need, which is fear. By all means, go back to thebody.com if that is the case. There's enough conflicting advice (very little of it footnoted, I notice) to keep you entertained for the three months ... or is it six..... or a year? Thebody.com offers conflicting advice there too .... until you can take a definitive HIV test.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline qwerty

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2006, 01:56:27 AM »
I am in agreement with you that saliva from insertive oral sex is not at risk, since saliva doesn't trasmit the virus.
But semen does, and if the guy standing next to me who also got oral sex from the girl put precum in her mouth, wouldn't I be at risk from that?

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2006, 01:59:59 AM »
No, for the same reasons that mutual masturbation using semen as a lubricant (such as it is) is not considered a risk.

HIV cannot withstand the environment of the mouth for any length of time. Not only does saliva contain enzymes which inactivate the virus, saliva literally explodes red blood cells entirely.

Seriously, no risk.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2006, 10:42:10 PM »
ok thanks..i didnt realize that using semen as lube for mutual masturbation was not a risk..seems risky to me but I'm sure you know more about the science. 

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 01:25:21 PM »
I've read if you have an STD it increases your change of contracting hiv.   does that only go for std's that give you open sores? or does it also go for warts?

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Re: Recieving fellatio after another guy does from same girl
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 02:16:44 PM »
It doesn't when it pertains to oral sex. You can however get an STD from oral sex. HIV is not a risk in the situation that you have explained.

 


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