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Author Topic: Supplements to fight the VL  (Read 2522 times)

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Offline HIV? poz about being neg

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Supplements to fight the VL
« on: May 31, 2007, 10:10:00 PM »
can anyone tell me of natural supplements that are effective in lowering a high viral load?
Jan/25/07 VL > 100 000 CD4 480 21%
Apr/13/10     Started Atripla
May/11/10    VL !! 300 !!     CD4 520
Jul/15/10      VL    75          CD4 400   27%
Dec/20/10    VL UD             CD4 390 28%
Jan/10/12    VL UD              CD4 670 28%
Mar/31/14    VL UD              CD4 580 37%
May/27/14    VL UD              CD4 750

Offline risred1

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Re: Supplements to fight the VL
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 12:30:39 AM »
I had a intestinal parasite that cause my VL to spike, once I was treated, my VL got back to "normal".

So in your stats you have a pretty decent CD4 and percentage, but a high VL, so supps may not be the key, but your intestinal health.

suggest you check out this book called healing HIV, you can get some guidence on intestinal conditions and what to do about it.

Other than that, the classic supps are listed on the newyorkbuyersclub.org and on Kaiser's website for K-PAX.

Multi Vit, with Selenium 200mcg.
Alpha lopaic acid
Carintine
NAC

Perhaps an herbal modulator - Astragalus.

for the gut, Yogurt and/or probiotics, psyllium fiber

Possibly Green Tea Extract- ECGC supp.

risred1 - hiv +
02/07 CD4 404 - 27% - VL 15k
10/07 CD4 484 - 31% - VL 45k
05/08 CD4 414 - 26% - VL 70k
01/09 CD4 365 - 23% - VL 65k
05/09 CD4 291 - 23% - VL 115k - Started Meds - Reyataz/Truvada
06/09 CD4 394 - ?% - VL 1200 - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
07/09 CD4 441 - ?% - VL 118 - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
09/09 CD4 375 - ?% - VL Undetectable - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
12/09 CD4 595 - ?% - VL Undetectable - VIT D 34 - Reyataz/Truvada/Norvir

Offline redhotmuslbear

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Re: Supplements to fight the VL
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 01:33:54 PM »
None. 

Supplements can do wonders in addressing malabsorption, immune system repair, and other effects of HIV, but there is not a magic supplement or combination thereof that is going to beat down HIV on its own.  Please remember to use any supplementation with the knowledge of your physicians, and spend your healthcare money wisely.

Cheers,
David
"The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner
12-31-09   222wks VL  2430 CD4 690 (37%)
09-30-09   208wks VL  2050  CD4 925 (42%)
06-25-08   143wks VL  1359  CD4 668 (32%)  CD8 885
02-11-08   123wks off meds:  VL 1364 CD4 892(40%/0.99 ratio)
10-19-07   112wks off meds:   VL 292  CD4 857(37%/0.85 ratio)

One copy of delta-32 for f*****d up CCR5 receptors, and an HLA B44+ allele for "CD8-mediated immunity"... beteer than winning Powerball, almost!

Offline risred1

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Re: Supplements to fight the VL
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2007, 09:42:23 AM »
I fundamentally agree with the last post.

Stimulating ones own immune system to lower VL seems to me to be unlikely with current supps.

However, one may optimize ones health, which may stabilize and perhaps modestly improve ones current situation. I've been hanging in at my current level for 2 years. Modest improvement but nothing dramatic. As I stated, I was able to get my VL back down to current sub 20k level after successful treatment for an intestinal parasite. (Blastomycosis).

With a VL at 100K, unless your are indeed having a parasitic or intestinal issue or other infection that is "assisting" the increase of VL, you are going to have to choose, and probably sooner than later, to go on meds to take advantage of your current high CD4 count. In my situation I am fighting a delaying action with supps and exercise. But if my VL spikes and/or my CD4 declines into that 350 range, I will be going on meds.

Sounds like it is doctor discussion time for real.

 

risred1 - hiv +
02/07 CD4 404 - 27% - VL 15k
10/07 CD4 484 - 31% - VL 45k
05/08 CD4 414 - 26% - VL 70k
01/09 CD4 365 - 23% - VL 65k
05/09 CD4 291 - 23% - VL 115k - Started Meds - Reyataz/Truvada
06/09 CD4 394 - ?% - VL 1200 - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
07/09 CD4 441 - ?% - VL 118 - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
09/09 CD4 375 - ?% - VL Undetectable - Boosted Reyataz with Norvir and Truvada
12/09 CD4 595 - ?% - VL Undetectable - VIT D 34 - Reyataz/Truvada/Norvir

 


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