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Author Topic: Unprotected sex with another poz person?  (Read 2697 times)

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Offline Falkore

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Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« on: May 27, 2007, 10:25:19 PM »
Ok, I'm curious about something.  I'm currently on Atripla and about to reach my one year mark of being on meds.  My last counts show my CD4 to be steady around 550 or so.  My doctor believes that I am doing very well on the meds and I should be able to stay on the same medication without complications for a while. 
I just recently met someone who is also poz.  He's not on meds, the last time he pulled his counts he was undectable.  He does not like to use condoms.  Baring co-infections, what are the risks of having unprotected sex with another poz person?  I am scared that he may have a strain that is resistant to Atripla and I'd have to switch to another set of meds.  What are the risks to each of us?  I've heard of "Super Infection" where you become infected with a resistant strain.  I've become truly comfortable with my one pill a day regimin.  I'd like to keep that going.  What if we both are able to take the same meds?  Is there any danger if we both are taking the same medication?  What complications can come from that?

 I didn't get a chance to talk to my doc about it.  Maybe I will ask him the next chance I get.  Any help?

Thanks,
Falkore
« Last Edit: May 27, 2007, 11:02:48 PM by Falkore »
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Date:          CD4:     VL:
10/02/05     568       2,070
11/18/05     541       2,970
02/17/06     442       4,720
04/17/06     510       1,100
07/12/06     391       3,050
Start Atripla
09/22/06     595       Undet.
01/18/07     562       Undet.
05/25/07     540       Undet.
09/26/07     531       Undet.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 10:55:02 PM »
I would worry more about other STDs. The safe way is, "No Condoms, No Sex."

Offline sdcabincrew74

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 11:07:09 PM »
Have fun :-)  Your biggest risk is other STD's most of which can be cured with a shot.
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Offline J220

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 11:26:05 PM »
Have fun :-)  Your biggest risk is other STD's most of which can be cured with a shot.

Wrong...there is no cure for herpes.
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Offline Life

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 11:31:46 PM »
Whats with all these "gray area" postings today!!!!  Jeezz   ;D  My experience with my Husband who is also positive with a cd4 count of 600 and vl of 1500, no meds is - rubbers all the way.   I gambled way to many times in my life.  I am not going to gamble again with William or myself...  For me, that pleasure of pink on pink is simply not worth the potential unknown risk.... Living is way kewler.....  That may change with time, but not until I feel a bit more at ease with this...  As Rod said, I would worry more about an STD added to the mix...

Eric
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 11:34:56 PM »
Falkore,

The total number of people who've contracted an HIV "super-infection" is not more than a couple of dozen. As Roddles notes it's really the other STD's you need to look out for. HIV re-infection (as it's also called) tends to be one of those touchstone issues which sends some people into a foaming panic, when in actuality, it's no big deal.

Hepatitis A & B are vaccine preventable. If you've not been vaccinated for these (or if you're not otherwise immune) you should consider getting it done. Ask your doctor.

Bacterial STD's such as chlamydia, gonorrhoea and syphilis can indeed be treated. Nevertheless such treatments (especially the one for syphilis) can be unpleasant and more complicated in HIV positive people than in the general population.

J is quite right, viral STD's such as genital herpes are not curable and can range from a minor inconvenience to very painful and disabling. What's more things such as herpes and genital warts are transmitted via skin to skin contact so whatever the condom doesn't cover is not protected.

All of those things said, Matty the Damned almost always barebacks when he's with other poz guys.

MtD

Offline Iggy

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 03:38:38 AM »
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I would worry more about other STDs.

Same here

Offline DanielMark

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 04:48:48 AM »
That's a personal call, but "He does not like to use condoms" wouldn't be a compelling reason for me to put my health at further risk. You say you just met this guy.

My body is doing enough work as it is and no man or sex act is worth taking that kind of chance (for me).

I wouldn't rush in without a lot of careful consideration first.

Daniel
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Offline Ann

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 07:18:15 AM »
Wrong...there is no cure for herpes.

And many people cannot achieve a cure for hep C - or hep B either, although as Matty pointed out, there is a vaccine for hep B to prevent you from becoming infected in the first place. There is no vaccine for hep C.

Hep C can be transmitted if blood is drawn during intercourse or fisting. If a person decides they absolutely don't care to use condoms to prevent hep C infection, using plenty of lube will reduce the chance of damage to the delicate lining of the anus/rectum.

It's extremely rare for hep C to be transmitted vaginally, only because the lining of the vaginal is made of tougher stuff. However, if the sex is rough and blood is drawn, vaginal intercourse can still be a hep C risk.

The number of coinfected (hiv/hcv) people is on the rise - and very often they don't know they are also hep C positive. It's well worth a bit of caution. And like I said, using plenty of lube to reduce the chance of damage will help reduce the risk of hep C infection.

Ann
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Offline emeraldize

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 07:29:31 AM »
Good Morning Falkore

I read your post last night and opted not to write knowing you would soon receive responses. You've received a variety of good information and opinion.

I keyed in on the very same items DanielMark did -- you just met this person and it is he who doesn't like to use condoms. You likely know very little about him and his preferences are to be considered, frankly, IMHO, second to your own.

Further, you stated wanting to run this by your doctor as it's obvious you don't want to put anything about your current health at risk. Particularly on the latter, I hope you allow yourself that extra buffer of time and input from the doc whom you've entrusted with your care. You could also negotiate with this new potential lover and agree to use condoms until you learn your doc's opinion.

I suppose it's obvious I come at this from a conservative, preservative perspective. Re-reading your post, I think you are similarly wired. The word "scared" jumps out at me.  Go with your instincts. If info-gathering and self-preservation are in the top two slots as I read them to be, then you'll make a decision with which you are comfortable.

Em

Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 03:38:24 PM »
Now that you got the medical stance, what are you gonna do? You seem more concerned about the other guy and what his preference is. Maybe I'm assuming here but it sounds like you usually use condoms. SO, look at it like this, is one night of bare pleasure worth what could be more serious problems?
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Offline red_Dragon888

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 05:06:05 PM »
this maybe old fashion but he should get a full checkup to see which hiv he has and make sure he does not have anyother stds and then you can decide if you want to go comando or not.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2007, 05:08:33 PM by red_Dragon888 »
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Offline Falkore

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Re: Unprotected sex with another poz person?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 04:07:17 AM »
Hey guys, thanks for all your input.  I was thinking along the same lines as most of the responces.  I was already aware of the risk of suplimental infections.  I don't plan on going into this, if you'll excuse the expression, half cocked.  The main thing I was worried about is the chances of causing complications with my current HIV regimine (sp).  I am lucky enough to be on Atripla.  I have one pill that I take at night and that's it.  Currently he is not on any meds, but I'm thinking that before we start doing anything risky we should both go to the Dr. to see where things stand.  Because if we both are on the same medication then it could be that unprotected sex is not an issue... assuming that there is no other infections to worry about.  It would be a good idea for us boh to get a full work up. Just for a trust issue. Thanks again, and continue to express your opinion.  I want to know.
"Ain't no shame in my flame"
Date:          CD4:     VL:
10/02/05     568       2,070
11/18/05     541       2,970
02/17/06     442       4,720
04/17/06     510       1,100
07/12/06     391       3,050
Start Atripla
09/22/06     595       Undet.
01/18/07     562       Undet.
05/25/07     540       Undet.
09/26/07     531       Undet.

 


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