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Author Topic: Why do poz people die  (Read 1893 times)

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Offline zeb

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Why do poz people die
« on: May 24, 2007, 11:17:58 AM »
I've read that when treatment care is succesful poz people can become old.

In our country about 18,000 are poz
the last years 100/year of them die of hiv/aids

I wonder what they die from
is it
- med resistance?
- toxic side effects of meds?
- being too late for treatment care?

grtz Zeb

Offline aztecan

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 09:22:57 PM »
Hey Zeb,
It is probably a combination of things. It is true, when you are adherent to your meds, see your doc regularly, have regular checks and labs, you could live to be old, or even ancient like me.

But the fact is, HIV takes it toll. Left untreated for too long, it is difficult to rebuild the body's immune system. Then, when you do, you can get sick because the body can now fight the diseases that were living in it that it was too weak to fight before. This is called Immune Reconstitution Syndrome.

Also, the meds we take are hard on the body. They all can cause side effects. In the long term, some can cause anemia, bone loss, bone marrow damage, liver damage, kidney problems, cholesterol and blood lipid problems that cause stroke, heart attack and death, and the list goes on.

Then, there are many people who simply can't be adherent with the meds. Even taking just one pill a day is too much for them to handle.So, they develop resistance and the docs have to find other meds to replace those they are resistant too.

Another issue is mental health. People who are chronically depressed or suffer from a behavioral malady of some sort often aren't adherent and cannot be, simply because their mental state wont allow them.

Lastly, at least for this post, there is coinfection. Many people have other health problems aside from HIV. Some have Hep c, which can be very hard to manage and can greatly affect the outcome of treatment of HIV and improving overall immune system health. Some are diabetic, or have cancer, or neurosyphilis, or some other problem.

Unfortunately, it isn't as simply as taking care of your HIV and you will live to be an old man or woman. There are so many other factors that must be considered as well.

Anyway, that could explain why some of the people you have read about have died recently.

HUGS,

Mark
"May your life preach more loudly than your lips."
~ William Ellery Channing (Unitarian Minister)

Offline zeb

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 08:04:30 AM »
Hi Mark,

Always good to read a vision with experience! Thanks! (In regard to this I also followed your advice you gave me the other day: save money for retirement, like you said: especially property is a good way to save money)

Well I appreciate it a lot that you like to share your view. I mean you've been on this track a long time already. I really see it as an encouragement to stay on top of my health! (I don't drink, don't do drugs and eat healthy! Now I need to quit those 8 cigarettes a day).

Thanks a lot!

((Hug back!))

Zeb

Offline SASA39

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 09:24:25 AM »
Marc , well said , although I would add one : the rebuilded immune system can not be like natural one .It is weaker and more prone to infections especially if  you are a late starter..............
                              Al
Oct.     `06.  CD4=58  ?    %       VL not perform. ?!?
25.Dec.`06.         203       14        VL= 0
29.May.`07.    broken device        VL=1363
20.June`07     broken device        VL=0
25.Dec `07  CD4=582                  VL=70
14.May `08  CD4=448
29.July `08                                  VL=0
26.Nov `08  CD4=674                    VL=179
16.Mar `09  CD4=554                    VL=0
19.Jan`10 CD4=715               
03.Mar`10                                    VL=0
24.Aug`10 CD4=524                     VL=0
04.Dec`10 CD4=626                     VL=0
15.Sep`11                                   VL=93
17.Nov`11                                   VL=0
05/26 .Jul`12 CD4=713                 VL=0
28.Nov`12 CD4=916                     VL=0
09.May`13                                 VL=0

Offline blondbeauty

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 01:23:42 PM »
Many people die because of the flu.
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V.L.:80.200 copies. CD4: 25%=503
Started Sustiva-Truvada 14/August/2006
Last V.L.count (Oct 2013): Undetectable
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Offline sdcabincrew74

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2007, 04:10:12 AM »
Marc covered it well as always!  But remember, people die everyday HIV poz or neg.  Just because you are poz does not mean you will not die of heart attack, stroke, car accident, etc.

Take your meds, remember moderation in all things, and enjoy life to its fullest!
The difference between an overnight and a layover is luck!

Offline zeb

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Re: Why do poz people die
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2007, 02:46:27 PM »
sdcabincrew,

Thanks for your reply. Well it's all so new for me, so i'm trying to get used to it. But I hope soon to recover from my grief (hiv is aturningpoint in life!). And yes, I also read a lot on the body. More and more these docs expect us to die of non hiv related illnesses. (what an outlook  ;))

greetz
Zeb

 


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