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Offline bimazek

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uproar percentages and posts and links etc
« on: May 07, 2007, 05:49:37 PM »
Well I finally am not upset because i felt like people were attacking me...
i simply wanted to know -- quantity of risk from haart for cancer put a number on it...

I was just curious as to the danger of haart for cancer with some kind of number... i think we can agreee that there is increased danger with or without haart for cancer

why i posted the smoking thing about 2000% because it shows that smoking is very dangerous... i didnt say anything about hiv in this post

so long and short

I can live with the results... if haart is half as dangerous as smoking over all for cancers i can live with that

makes sense to me, haart is a chemical and smoking is chemical lots of them

haart is alot safer than smoking

lots of smokers live till 60s 70s 80s even

so in end

haart to me is some risk of cancers but not as much as smoking is for non hiv-er

so in end

i think it is good info to have and good news

for me haart saves lives and has many dangers but the one of cancer is half as bad as smoking

and lots of people smoke

so to me

haart is ok

haart does have risks associated with cancer and my original idea was to QUANTIFY the risks and i figure in TOTAL

the risk of haart

is alot lower than say half a pack a day

so that is cool

to me it is just science

not good or bad just numbers



regarding poppers -philly guy i know you seem to approve of poppers
perhaps i am wrong but if you buy the book the history of the castro
http://www.amazon.com/San-Franciscos-Castro-Images-America/dp/0738528668
ther is a photo of a poor guy, a friend of a friend who'se entire nose is covered inside and out with KS karposis scarcoma
to me that is enough evendence to know that poppers on not good if you have hiv
personally i think they should be off the market but


create a survey... ask hiv people on here if they had KS then ask if they used poppers in last 25 years (herpes is slow slow virus) or if they spent time in baths or discos where poppers where used 

i believe there is coorolation


Offline thunter34

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2007, 05:55:29 PM »
Um...I'm gonna bet that the correlation has more to do with the activities engaged in while spending time in the baths and saunas than they do with poppers up one's nose. 

I don't think I buy that poppers lead to KS, but then I have also heard that smoking crack and cigarettes helps prevent KS, so one way or another, I should be good to go.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2007, 06:01:11 PM by thunter34 »
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Offline milker

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2007, 06:03:30 PM »
I would imagine that if people snort poppers 8 hours a day for 25 years, then yes, they will have a nasty nose.

I don't like poppers but I don't mind if someone uses it near me. Like every drug, moderation is the key.

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Offline Matty the Damned

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2007, 06:25:43 PM »
Why is it that the Anti-Popper League always focus on the supposed link between amyl and cancer? They never seem to talk about how if chronic use of poppers is going to cause health problems, those problems will relate to the cardio-vascular system.

MtD

Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2007, 06:27:55 PM »
regarding poppers -philly guy i know you seem to approve of poppers
perhaps i am wrong but if you buy the book the history of the castro
http://www.amazon.com/San-Franciscos-Castro-Images-America/dp/0738528668
ther is a photo of a poor guy, a friend of a friend who'se entire nose is covered inside and out with KS karposis scarcoma
to me that is enough evendence to know that poppers on not good if you have hiv
personally i think they should be off the market but


create a survey... ask hiv people on here if they had KS then ask if they used poppers in last 25 years (herpes is slow slow virus) or if they spent time in baths or discos where poppers where used 

i believe there is coorolation



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Offline Matty the Damned

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 06:34:47 PM »
The other thing that irritates Matty the Damned when it comes to this bullshit about KS, HAART and poppers is how people like Bimazek COMPLETELY ignore the wealth of evidence which shows how KS has declined since the introduction of combination therapy.

Yup, Bimazek that's right. I'm formally calling you out on bullshit.

MtD

Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 06:41:53 PM »
As I've stated before, it's NOT a matter of liking poppers or not.  That is irrelevant to the discussion.  It's about DISINFORMATION.

All of this was debunked a decade ago.  Amyl nitrite is actually used medically for heart patients and angina, etc. as well as an antidote to cyanide poisoning.

My repeated reaction to you bimazek regarding this subject is that you have kept repeating this bogus science since you registered here in December.  Considering how much time on these boards you spend focusing on endless "research" it really calls into question reading ANY posts you start, which is unfortunate.  And no, this is NOT a personal attack, it's an attack on faulty reason and lack of science.  If this upsets you on a personal level that is unfortunate, as that is not the purpose of the discussion.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2007, 06:49:41 PM »
source

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Back in the early days of the AIDS epidemic, some folks suspected poppers might be the cause of Kaposi's sarcoma, perhaps of AIDS itself. The KS link is now pretty well disproved. There is evidence that using poppers does lower immune function, though the damage is undone in at most a few days. People with impaired immune function should certainly think twice before taking a hit, but the idea that amyl use causes permanent immune-system damage is speculative at best.

As with the use of other recreational drugs, when it comes to poppers, moral issues can overshadow good medicine. The "Just Say No" crowd views poppers as a menace. But Dr. Andrew Weil, author of From Chocolate to Morphine, calls amyl nitrite "one of the safest drugs in medicine." Weil, whose approach to drug use centers on harm reduction rather than outright prohibition, explains that "when inhaled, amyl nitrite breaks down quickly and leaves the body easily."
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Offline Moffie65

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Re: uproar percentages and posts and links etc
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2007, 06:58:58 PM »
This thread is so painful, it hurts.  I am with Matty, and call bullshit!

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Offline thunter34

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 07:00:30 PM »
Although let's not completely discount the rather painful nasal injuries this bottom has suffered due to the inattentive top that did not heed the momentary "popper pause" rule.

::splash::


"Ouch!"



PS-  I could really go for a whiff right now....just for kicks.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 07:16:26 PM »
Let's put it this way:  that link about that package of bacon from Kmart in the other thread simply MUST be much much worse than an entire day of continual hogging of the Jungle Juice.
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Offline Strayboy74

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2007, 02:14:56 PM »
regarding poppers -philly guy i know you seem to approve of poppers
perhaps i am wrong but if you buy the book the history of the castro
http://www.amazon.com/San-Franciscos-Castro-Images-America/dp/0738528668
ther is a photo of a poor guy, a friend of a friend who'se entire nose is covered inside and out with KS karposis scarcoma
to me that is enough evendence to know that poppers on not good if you have hiv
personally i think they should be off the market but


create a survey... ask hiv people on here if they had KS then ask if they used poppers in last 25 years (herpes is slow slow virus) or if they spent time in baths or discos where poppers where used 

i believe there is coorolation

Sorry, bimazek, one picture is not proof of anything.

Take a Statistics class and then a Science class and then you'll realize just how pregnant with ignorance your statements have been.

And, if you believe there is a corrolation, as you say, then don't use poppers.   That simple.

I had a choir teacher once who imparted a pearl of wisdom to me, and I'm gonna share it with you...

"Never teach a pig to sing
It just wastes your time and annoys the pig."  - Sandy Chapman

Hopefully you can figure out that corrolation.

-joseph
« Last Edit: May 08, 2007, 02:20:07 PM by Strayboy74 »

Offline thunter34

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2007, 02:16:08 PM »
Poppers make this pig sing.

(Though I still hope I don't come down with BBP Syndrome)
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2007, 03:21:49 PM »
Please read this simple lesson in Correlation does not imply causation and learn some logic.

cum hoc ergo propter hoc
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Offline PeteNYNJ

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2007, 05:30:39 PM »
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Please read this simple lesson in Correlation does not imply causation and learn some logic.

Amen!!!  This is a fundamental rule with any kind of scientific research and is taught very early in any basic research class.  It is also a rule the is constantly abused to try to win an argument.

Why are you so worried about KS?  I have read quite a few of your posts and they all seem to be about KS.  Do you have KS?  Do you use poppers?  I am not attacking, just wondering about the motivation.

I worry more about PCP and other nasty bacterias that can plague me but I tend not to dwell upon it all day long.  I think I would go nuts.

Just my two cents.

Offline Andy Velez

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2007, 06:42:00 PM »
Matty and Tim, I don't disagree with your evaluation about the misbegotten focus on poppers and KS rather than on the very real risk for heart attacks.

But when you get into jumping on someone with provocative epithets like "bullshit," you move the dialogue into an unfriendly direction.

Please guys, find a more socially acceptable way to tell someone you don't agree with their position even when the bridge mix does read like bs to you.

Thanks for your cooperation,
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2007, 07:16:50 PM »
Andy,

I think a lot of the frustration here is how bimazek has over the course of six months, kept repeating these claims over and over and over on various threads.  There comes a point when people who wish for sound science on these boards will become overwhelmed and rather exasperated.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're going to spend 80% of your time posting copypasta on the Research Studies section of AIDSmeds you need to be responsible and present things in an unbiased manner.  Repeated claims of debunked connections between KS and HIV reeks of some sort of agenda, though at present I'm not quite sure what the motive is.  I feel like I'm back in the Castro circa 1982 with these claims though.

I realize your main problem is with the particular word chosen, as in "bullshit" but exclusive of that what should be done when someone repeatedly pushes bad science here even when it's been pointed out that there is no connection?

Thanks
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Offline BT65

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 08:50:00 PM »
I still say it all sounds like it's a "conspiracy theorist" perspective.
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