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Author Topic: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!  (Read 3915 times)

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Offline Ann

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Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« on: May 03, 2007, 08:14:57 AM »

Recently, these forums have been disrupted by a few individuals who come here for no reason other than to cause trouble. People who do this are known on the internet as TROLLS.

I'm asking you all, do not feed the trolls! Trolls crave the attention and back and forth arguing. You're never going to get through to them by responding to them, so don't. Just don't. Use the moderator report button and as soon as a moderator is online, it will be taken care of.

When people respond to trolls, not only does it give the troll satisfaction and more reason to stick around, but it also makes clean-up more difficult. Troll posts that haven't been responded to are easy to delete from a thread without disruption to that thread. Back and forth bickering, especially when quotes are included as well as comments on the original thread subject matter, is difficult to clean up.

So, Do Not Feed the Trolls. Report them and ignore them, and they will be taken care of as soon as humanly possible.

And remember, we won't tolerate people getting nasty with trolls. If you become abusive in response to a troll, you will be putting yourself in danger of a Time Out. Report and ignore - don't be dragged down to the troll's level.

Thank you all for your cooperation and teamwork - it is much appreciated.

Ann
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2007, 10:51:37 AM »
Ann and the mods (sounds like a band)

Thank you so much for all the work you guys have been doing as of late.  I know it hasn't been easy for you guys and I'd like to personally be the first to tell you THANKS for everything you do.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2007, 11:08:30 AM »
AC, don't be sucking up to Ann. Ann has a nose on her like a bloodhound that's in heat. She'll find those damn trolls and run them out of town. She lives for that. She never bites, she just hits her zap button and they're outta here. Her zapper is just like the ones on Star Track, it never runs low on zapping power.  ;)

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2007, 11:41:46 AM »
Andrew,

I deleted your Chuck Norris thread. In case you don't understand why - you were feeding the troll. Don't. Thanks.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2007, 02:38:28 PM »
Geez......I miss all the cool shit.  :-\
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2007, 03:58:26 PM »
Another doomed saprophytic relationship.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2007, 04:03:27 PM »
Geez......I miss all the cool shit.  :-\

Yeah Lisa, me too.   ;)

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Ann Says, "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!"
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2007, 04:29:16 PM »

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2007, 08:21:37 PM »
But Jack is a nice guy.

Surely, you're not gonna get rid of him!

:)

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 08:52:47 PM »
I've been missing out.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 10:03:22 PM »
Wonderful thread and I was hoping to see this sooner. Glad it's finally here.

I also think any members who participate in 'vigilante actions' should be given warnings or timeouts just like I was given a 7 day TO at the end of January for my absurd vigilante actions. There are a lot of members here who'd love nothing more than to own this site and they need to be reminded of this thread, the rules, and the fact that they do not own this site. I understand the desire to protect this wonderful support site but let's get real - There's a slight turn-off factor to vigilante-ism. Not on the same level as trolls of course. And as Alan Bama said let's grow up a little people

With gratitude,

Alex


Recently, these forums have been disrupted by a few individuals who come here for no reason other than to cause trouble. People who do this are known on the internet as TROLLS.

I'm asking you all, do not feed the trolls! Trolls crave the attention and back and forth arguing. You're never going to get through to them by responding to them, so don't. Just don't. Use the moderator report button and as soon as a moderator is online, it will be taken care of.

When people respond to trolls, not only does it give the troll satisfaction and more reason to stick around, but it also makes clean-up more difficult. Troll posts that haven't been responded to are easy to delete from a thread without disruption to that thread. Back and forth bickering, especially when quotes are included as well as comments on the original thread subject matter, is difficult to clean up.

So, Do Not Feed the Trolls. Report them and ignore them, and they will be taken care of as soon as humanly possible.

And remember, we won't tolerate people getting nasty with trolls. If you become abusive in response to a troll, you will be putting yourself in danger of a Time Out. Report and ignore - don't be dragged down to the troll's level.

Thank you all for your cooperation and teamwork - it is much appreciated.

Ann

« Last Edit: May 03, 2007, 10:12:33 PM by allopathicholistic »

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2007, 10:11:20 PM »
vigilantes

From Wikipedia-

A vigilante is someone who takes the enforcement of law or moral code into his or her own hands. The term is Spanish for "watchman", a private security agent. It was introduced into English from the southwestern United States, in the same way as folkloric terms like "desperados". The term is applied to citizens who "take the law into their own hands," meting out "frontier justice" when they think the actions of established authorities are insufficient. Vigilantism is generally denounced by official agencies, especially when it gives way to criminal behaviour on the part of the vigilante.

Okay...  so are there people on this board that take law enforcement or moral code into his or her hands?  And, if so, to what extent?  Alex, I think you need to define what your idea of a vigilante is, because, quite frankly, I'm confused.

Are you talking Censorship?  Or just kicking off the tattletales?

I'm also somewhat curious what your absurd vigilante actions were.

*scratches head*

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 10:23:53 PM »
Wonderful thread and I was hoping to see this sooner. Glad it's finally here.

I also think any members who participate in 'vigilante actions' should be given warnings or timeouts just like I was given a 7 day TO at the end of January for my absurd vigilante actions. There are a lot of members here who'd love nothing more than to own this site and they need to be reminded of this thread, the rules, and the fact that they do not own this site. I understand the desire to protect this wonderful support site but let's get real - There's a slight turn-off factor to vigilante-ism. Not on the same level as trolls of course. And as Alan Bama said let's grow up a little people

I'm not sure what happened with you, but having members that have been there for a long time and having shown reasonable reactions to abuse (obviously i'm not one of them!) could be added as forum moderators. Right now Ann and Andy have the double duty of answering questions to Am I Infected and keeping the forums on track. This worked well, but aidmeds.com has more exposure than what it had back in 2006 and it may be time to add forum moderators, independent of the AII forum.

There is the "report" link, and moderators have been very quick to react, but maybe it's time to have their team expanded.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2007, 11:39:46 PM »
Yes, ma'am.

My apologies for participating in the trollfest.

I'll do my best to avoid feeding obvious trolls in the future.


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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 11:47:46 AM »
Don't forget the sockpuppets, just sayin'.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2007, 01:16:26 PM »
Wonderful thread and I was hoping to see this sooner. Glad it\'s finally here.

I also think any members who participate in \'vigilante actions\' should be given warnings or timeouts just like I was given a 7 day TO at the end of January for my absurd vigilante actions. There are a lot of members here who\'d love nothing more than to own this site and they need to be reminded of this thread, the rules, and the fact that they do not own this site. I understand the desire to protect this wonderful support site but let\'s get real - There\'s a slight turn-off factor to vigilante-ism. Not on the same level as trolls of course. And as Alan Bama said let\'s grow up a little people

With gratitude,






Alex

I really have to agree here.  Witch hunt/Troll hunts here are often led by individuals who seem to feed the trolls the most.  I think that engaging trolls is in and of itself trollish behavior.

I joined when a lot of the Troll hunting was going on and read numerous rude comments referring to my monicker name.  It reminded me of Junior High.

Thanks to Ann and the mods this has stopped.

All new members should not be subjected to this.  Allow the moderators to be moderators, and let them do their jobs.  They do a wonderful job in my humble opinion.

When I received a vulgar PM the moderators responded quickly and professionally. 

From now on when I seen an objectionable post I hit the \"notify the moderator\" button.  Then I put that member on ignore.

The \"ignore\" button is a beautiful thing and it has made my use of this website much more pleasant.

« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 01:46:14 PM by Carolann »

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2007, 01:23:00 PM »
Hmmm...this ain't Kansas anymore!  :-X  Wish I had me some ruby slippers! ::
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2007, 06:06:23 PM »
David, those weren’t Trolls, those were Munchkins. 

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2007, 06:36:33 PM »
Am I the only one who finds trolls and nitwits easy to ignore? Surely not. I find anyone who is out to waste my time extremely easy to ignore. They’re not worth spending one nanosecond on.

Guess I’m just a freak.  :-*

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2007, 06:39:01 PM »
I can ignore trolls and such too....Daniel...if I knew who they were.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2007, 07:19:28 PM »
Bear, you know what a troll is. Remember those old farts that would follow you  into the restroom stand by you at the urinal and try to take a look? Those are Trolls.  ;)

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2007, 08:19:46 PM »
I was one of the targets of those awful pics.  Anyway, I did report that person, twice.  He got banned and about 1/4 hour, came back under a different identity, so I reported him again.  Just glad he's gone. 
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2007, 08:12:06 AM »
Not that hard to detect really, Bear. Just look for signs of instigating and argumentativeness, hijacking threads or being generally disruptive and there's your troll.

He got banned and about 1/4 hour, came back under a different identity, so I reported him again.

In Internet lingo this is known as a sock puppet, Betty. I've seen them banned on other sites. They have no reason or reason to be apart from stirring up trouble. Senseless and sad really. The worst case I've seen is someone who registered under separate names and then proceeded to argue with himself. Go figure.

A big thank you to the moderators who handle these creatures. I wouldn't take on your job for a million bucks.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2007, 09:22:42 AM »
The worst case I've seen is someone who registered under separate names and then proceeded to argue with himself. Go figure.


Daniel

We used to get a lot of that over in the Am I forum, before we clamped down on the puppet play. They'd either argue with themselves, or commiserate with themselves. Weird. Makes me wonder if they also have conversations with themselves in their real lives.

Sock puppetry in this side of the forum is (for the most part) a new phenomenon - but we're not going to tolerate it. If people don't have enough respect for themselves, let alone others, to not engage in this sort of deception on a support forum for a serious illness, then there are plenty of other cyber playgrounds for them to get their kicks on. They won't be allowed to do it here.


I joined when a lot of the Troll hunting was going on and read numerous rude comments referring to my monicker name.  It reminded me of Junior High.

All new members should not be subjected to this. 

Carolann brings up a very valid point. When you suspect a new member of being a troll or sock puppet, please, don't start accusing them in a thread, report them instead. It's not fair on new legitimate members to be on the receiving end of abuse or hostility due to someone's suspicions. If the new member IS a sock puppet/troll, giving them your attention is only going to encourage them to continue posting.

While I totally understand people being on guard due to recent events, please try to give new members the benefit of doubt. If you seriously suspect a "new" member of being someone other than who they claim to be, don't challenge them, report them and let us know WHY you suspect them of foul play. If you want feedback on the matter, please say so in your report.

Once again, thank you to everyone for your cooperation and teamwork. :)

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2007, 11:57:49 AM »
If people don't have enough respect for themselves, let alone others, to not engage in this sort of deception on a support forum for a serious illness, then there are plenty of other cyber playgrounds for them to get their kicks on.

That is probably the thing that irks me most about this, Ann. Most of us are here trying to get by and live as best we can with HIV/AIDS and then some _______ (fill in the blank) who has nothing better to do comes along and starts trying to deliberately sabotage a place of support. I can’t imagine what it takes to turn someone into a person like this. Well I can, but it’s too dismal to contemplate.

Sorry, but people who behave that way deserve nothing but to be ignored. This isn't some game; this is life and death.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 06:52:41 PM »
This site was/is a Godsend when I found out I was positive in August 2005. It provided me with alot answers no one could after scouring it for hours on end daily. I'm truly grateful for Peter and Ann and all the great people that is helping all of us who are coping.

I've read alot displacing stuff since then and was almost dragged into one possible situation but decided after observing the direction of where it may go, to ignore the attacks. Basically, I felt it was pointless to reason to a person who can even fantom creating chaos in anything constructive to be worth anytime.

I share Daniel's take on why such things happen but I accepted long time ago, many things just are without any good reasons. Shit happens but I'm sure thankful Ann and her gang has managed to do some great pipeworks and let these stuff flush out somewhere else. Having said that, it is necessary to give the benefit of doubt initially and observe and counsel the possibly misguided by directing them to the site's dos and don'ts. If they come back enlightened, it will show in the postings. However, if they come back more determined to impose their views, well, we all know how this new fairytale sequel ends... :-*

Peace and Good Health everyone.

Michael

PS: I have to admit I found, "someone who registered under separate names and then proceeded to argue with himself", hilarious, although spooky. Think perhaps he watched "Sybil" once too many times, no?
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2007, 03:15:37 PM »
Exacltly why I come here rarely anymore, too much crap, political correctness and BS; but then agin, it is an open forum...
Besides, I needed to get away from the down side of HIV, and this can be a serious downe at timesr..am fine, will pop in and out to read if nothin' else.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Trolls, OH MY!
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2007, 01:29:30 AM »
The internet sounds like such a magical, playful place: trolls, sock-puppets... :)
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