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history
« on: April 20, 2007, 10:56:09 PM »
Just looking for opinions on my history.

had sex with an escort last August.  Was tested at 5 and 8 weeks because of condom break.  Was about 2 minutes of exposure and I came inside her before I figured out what happened.  My doc said that 8 weeks was good enough.

Have had a bit of heightened awareness since.  Activities since include multiple handjobs from massage parlors,  have a bit of paranoia about possible contaminated massage oil. Can this be done? would hiv survive in this environment?

Finally felt confident again and had unprotected oral performed on me a few times.

Felt even more confident and had condom protected sex with a couple of escorts.

A bit worried on this one, licked/sucked a massage girls nipple....I thought I felt /tasted some kind of discharge even though i am pretty sure she was not recently pregnant.  A very very small amount would have got in my mouth......my mouth was very very dry at the time so maybe there was no saliva present and I am wondering if there is absolutely any risk here?

Any risks at all here?  Not worried about the condom events but more the massage oil and pouring it/rubbing it on the head of my penis.  Also somewhat concerned about possible contamination on a girls hand from a previous customer immediately prior to my event.


As well, Ann, I have read your blogs and writings, I was very moved by them,  You are an outstanding writer.  It is typically very hard for me to get that absorbed in writings, but yours took me right in.  Maybe you should think of writing some type of publication.

thanks

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Re: history
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2007, 12:03:39 AM »
13 weeks is the conclusive test and the answer is no to all your other questions. If you are going to have sex (vaginal and anal) with escorts wear a condom and use plenty of waterbase lube.

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Re: history
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2007, 06:01:25 AM »
Chubb,

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. When it finds itself outside the human body, it quickly becomes damaged by small changes in moisture content, temperature and pH levels. Damaged hiv cannot be transmitted to a new host. Hiv would not remain viable and able to infect in massage oil.

Breast milk is ONLY a threat to babies who rely solely on breast milk for sustenance. Even then, transmission is not guaranteed. It certainly isn't a threat to a grown man.

Make sure you read through the condom and lube links in my signature line, because a correctly used condom rarely breaks. Use them correctly and consistently and you will continue to avoid hiv infection.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

(and thank you for your kind words)

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Re: history
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2007, 02:18:20 PM »
Thanks for the info.

I wonder what manuf makes the best condom.  (best feeling) I tend to lose erection if the condom feels "thick" or something.  As well, not that I am trying to seem boastful, but I am built fairly large and they tend to feel tight.

Thanks again.

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Re: history
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2007, 02:24:12 PM »
Which would be worse? Losing your erection or losing your life as you know it today?

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Re: history
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »
I did not say I was not going to wear one??  I was asking for which manufacturers made the best quality ones.....

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Re: history
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2007, 05:02:57 PM »
It depends on what kind of latex condom you like. All condoms are mfg to goverment standards.

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Re: history
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 06:12:25 AM »
Chubb,

There are many different types of latex condoms, and most manufacturers make several different types - as well as sizes. Most drug stores only carry a limited range. You can buy condoms over the internet and you're more likely to find the variety you need. Condoms bought over the internet are shipped in discrete packaging so your neighbours or postal worker won't know what's inside. Even if you don't want to buy over the internet, have a little shop around so you can become familiar with what's on offer.

You only need to use the thicker condoms if you are going to use them for anal. For vaginal, you can buy the thinner ones - often called "featherlite" or similar. You can also buy them by size, something you don't often see in the shops. (at least not where I live)

There is a condom shop in Amsterdam that has a website where you can find out everything you wanted to know about condoms, but didn't know who to ask. They have an interesting section on sizing, so check them out at http://www.condomerie.com/condoms/shop.php

As for brands, as Rodney says, most condoms have some sort of seal of approval. In the UK, it is the British Kitemark. When buying condoms off the internet, stick to known brands or make sure they are FDA (or similar) approved.

Remember, the most important thing is correct, consistent usage.

Happy shopping! ;)

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Re: history
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 06:52:43 PM »
Great info there.  thanks for that.

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I did it again
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 05:01:49 PM »
Well, lastnight I met a woman after a few drinks.  Went to her place and proceeded to mess around.  We were grinding and she slipped the head of my penis in her vagina.  I looked down to see exactly what was happening because it felt like I was inside her.  I was but only the head, could still see bottom rim of the head of my penis.....this was maybe maybe 10 seconds I am guessing.....pulled out immediately and didn't even have sex after this, too paranoid.  She gave me a handjob and I ejaculate din her mouth. 

So, now what?  Is there any risk at all from this?

Phoned some hotlines...I hate them.  They are all the same.  HIV will jump in seconds they say......my logical side says this is false...but then my illogical side takes over and the paranoia starts to fuel itself.

Please help.

thanks

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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 05:11:35 PM »
YOu need to keep all your thoughts in your original post.

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: history
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 05:30:08 PM »
1. I've merged your threads here. Please follow our rules and stop starting new threads. Keep all of your comments in this one thread. Period.

2. From what you have described it seems as if penetration did take place and that it was very brief. Which means very, very low risk. But very, very low risk is not the same as no risk.

3. Although I expect you will test negative, in my opinion prudence dictates that you get tested at 13 weeks to be sure. Since you're sexually active, doing a full STD panel wouldn't be out of line.

4. In the future how about making it clear to any partner(s) that you don't want to have any intercourse without wearing a condom. And keep them handy. You are the person who is responsible for your own health, not the person(s) whom you are with.

5. As I said I would expect you to test negative.
Andy Velez

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Re: history
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 05:35:00 PM »
My topic was a new one I thought so that's why I started one....no harm meant by it.

From what I have read before the virus is deeper in the vagina (cervical) and my full head was not inserted....I have also learned in past it takes alot of the virus to infect and has a hard time crossing a mucous membrane.  And when it does it has to find certain cells (not sure which ones) in roder to infect.  Does this all sound correct in terms of transmission?

So, again, logically, based on what I know and assume to be correct science, as you have said, this is low low risk if any.

Then, why is it so hard to always move on?

She said I have nothing to worry about and I asked several times after....but people lie right?

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Re: history
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2007, 05:44:31 PM »
Re-read Andy's response to you.  He answered all of your questions except one.

Why is it hard to move on?  Ask yourself that question and if you dont like the answer, ask a therapist.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: history
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 05:55:59 PM »
I don't know why it's hard to move on...wish I did.   Probably because of all the fear and hysteria portrayed to the public maybe in regards to hiv?


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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 07:05:57 PM »
No, I wouldn't say it's because of "all the fear and hysteria" as you characterize it.

There is every good reason to be seriously concerned about this presently incurable disease.

So we're talking about a matter of life and death. Small wonder there is anxiety. Yes, your risk was very, very low. It's up to you as to whether you choose to get tested or not. But you were literally and figuratively playing around with your health and your life.

The "why" of why you can't let go is less important than that you realize you have however marginally, put yourself at risk. Learn from the experience and avoid that kind of behavior in the future. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 07:47:39 PM »

She said I have nothing to worry about and I asked several times after....but people lie right?

Chubb,

More often, people just don't know their status.

I agree with Andy in that this was a very, very low risk and it's up to you whether or not you test. I also agree with him that you need to be clear with your partners about condom usage and keep one - or more - handy and put one on before either of you get carried away.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: history
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2007, 08:34:43 PM »
Chubb,

More often, people just don't know their status.

I agree with Andy in that this was a very, very low risk and it's up to you whether or not you test. I also agree with him that you need to be clear with your partners about condom usage and keep one - or more - handy and put one on before either of you get carried away.

Ann


It was a mistake/accident. I did not even get my full head of my penis in before I pulled out.  As soon as I knew what was happening I pulled out.  10 seconds is probably stretching it.  I finally got hold of a nurse at the local STD clinic.  She said it there is really no risk but if I choose to relieve possible anxiety, I could have a swab done and urine test for gonorrhea and chlamydia, HIV testing is not necessary either but I can if not for peace of mind.



Is this what you are saying too Ann?  In all honesty, I know you said it is my choice to be tested, but did you say it like that because you do not feel testing is a concern here or because testing is my decision as an adult.  Just a bit confused.

I feel some hostility from andy and the other poster and not sure why.  Just asked a harmless question without malicious intent.  Maybe I am reading the posts wrong but thats the way it seems to me.

Thank you.

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Re: history
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2007, 08:42:58 PM »


There is every good reason to be seriously concerned about this presently incurable disease.

So we're talking about a matter of life and death. Small wonder there is anxiety. Yes, your risk was very, very low. It's up to you as to whether you choose to get tested or not. But you were literally and figuratively playing around with your health and your life.

The "why" of why you can't let go is less important than that you realize you have however marginally, put yourself at risk. Learn from the experience and avoid that kind of behavior in the future. 



Of course it is a concern.  everybody knows that.  But sometimes it is hard to weed through if there is agenda or not (anti sex groups, religious groups etc.).....such has been said even on this site. 

I am not sure if you have HIV or not, if you do I am sorry, truly.  If so, I can understand your intentions of not wanting anyone else to get this disease.  I can totally understand that.  It just shows you care about others and that is admirable.  I do not want the disease of course, this is why I am here.  An accident happened, unintentionally.  I am human and not perfect, sh*t happens.  I am just looking for truth about if there was risk or not.  From past studying on HIV, as I said, there is no real concern here....but as I also said, paranoia runs wild, especially when I read your reply that says

"But you were literally and figuratively playing around with your health and your life. " from this exposure, orpotential exposure.  And I start thinking I am doomed which leads to severely destructive behaviour for me.  Not your fault of course but that's the way my crazy mind works.

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Re: history
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 08:43:30 PM »
I don't know why you feel hostility. None was shown. You were given the facts and nothing more.

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2007, 08:49:22 PM »
Re-read Andy's post while watching his avatar and imagine him telling you the same thing with that big smile on his face. Written communication can be mis-understood, as not all the feelings can be conveyed.

Milker.
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may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
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Re: history
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2007, 08:57:15 PM »
Re-read Andy's post while watching his avatar and imagine him telling you the same thing with that big smile on his face. Written communication can be mis-understood, as not all the feelings can be conveyed.

Milker.

lol....I did...he looks like a great guy.

Agreed though.  Written words are hard to interpret sometimes.

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2007, 08:57:41 PM »
I don't know why you feel hostility. None was shown. You were given the facts and nothing more.

Where are these facts? 

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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2007, 09:10:04 PM »
1. I've merged your threads here. Please follow our rules and stop starting new threads. Keep all of your comments in this one thread. Period.

2. From what you have described it seems as if penetration did take place and that it was very brief. Which means very, very low risk. But very, very low risk is not the same as no risk.

3. Although I expect you will test negative, in my opinion prudence dictates that you get tested at 13 weeks to be sure. Since you're sexually active, doing a full STD panel wouldn't be out of line.

4. In the future how about making it clear to any partner(s) that you don't want to have any intercourse without wearing a condom. And keep them handy. You are the person who is responsible for your own health, not the person(s) whom you are with.

5. As I said I would expect you to test negative.

1. I've merged your threads here. Please follow our rules and stop starting new threads. Keep all of your comments in this one thread. Period.

2. From what you have described it seems as if penetration did take place and that it was very brief. Which means very, very low risk. But very, very low risk is not the same as no risk.

3. Although I expect you will test negative, in my opinion prudence dictates that you get tested at 13 weeks to be sure. Since you're sexually active, doing a full STD panel wouldn't be out of line.

4. In the future how about making it clear to any partner(s) that you don't want to have any intercourse without wearing a condom. And keep them handy. You are the person who is responsible for your own health, not the person(s) whom you are with.

5. As I said I would expect you to test negative.

Those are the facts. Did you not read them?

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Re: history
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2007, 09:24:20 PM »
I read them as comments.  Still not clear if someone feels testing is necessary or not based on my accident.

Oddly enough, while surfing another forum I found a question similar to mine from today.  Looks like an HIV Dr. answers here....I think

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIV/messages/990.html

The responder does not feel any testing is necessary for this guy and he was possibly exposed for a few minutes and fully in the vagina......

so confused.

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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2007, 09:32:00 PM »
This is AidsMeds not Medhelp and I for one don't always agree with Dr. H's advice. It's up to you on testing. If you want to test then test.

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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2007, 09:35:56 PM »
There is this fabulous post from Ann or Andy or Rapid somewhere that I cannot find, which explains the "physics" about getting hiv in the urethra. It basically says that to enter your body the virus has to be sucked in , which is following ejaculation. I wish I could find the link because it is very important.

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2007, 09:38:47 PM »
There is this fabulous post from Ann or Andy or Rapid somewhere that I cannot find, which explains the "physics" about getting hiv in the urethra. It basically says that to enter your body the virus has to be sucked in , which is following ejaculation. I wish I could find the link because it is very important.

Milker.

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2007, 10:36:11 AM by chubb »

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2007, 03:56:03 AM »
Milker,

I've never in my life said that and I don't believe Andy or Rodney said it either. It's not true, because that would mean the guy has to ejaculate and - he doesn't. Milker, maybe you should stick to the Living forum for now, eh? Thanks.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2007, 03:59:57 AM »
Chubb,

While I can't presume to speak for Andy, The way I read his words was that if you aren't careful, it's very easy to get carried away. Sometimes people need stern reminders of that fact.

What you describe falls more on the side of frottage - which is not a risk - than unprotected intercourse. Only you can decide the truth of the matter because you were there and we weren't, but if what you describe is accurate, I wouldn't worry about it. So yes, I agree with the health care worker you saw.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2007, 09:31:01 AM »
Chubb,

While I can't presume to speak for Andy, The way I read his words was that if you aren't careful, it's very easy to get carried away. Sometimes people need stern reminders of that fact.

What you describe falls more on the side of frottage - which is not a risk - than unprotected intercourse. Only you can decide the truth of the matter because you were there and we weren't, but if what you describe is accurate, I wouldn't worry about it. So yes, I agree with the health care worker you saw.

Ann


What I describe is definitely accurate, I would not waste time here if it was not.  The head of my penis went in but that was it.  And as I said once I realized what was happening I pulled it out.  10 seconds is probably an exaggeration for time.  It ws probably less but somewhere in that time frame.

not sure what frottage is, never heard of it.

In all honesty, once I knew the head was in, the thought of pushing further did cross my mind, no doubt....I mean it felt sooo good.  but I did not.  So, I guess the "spanking" I got from Andy may be well deserved as I am sure if I come across this again, the first thing I will think of is Andy.....lmao.....

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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2007, 04:48:30 AM »
Chubb,

Frottage is basically French for "rub" - not to be confused with "frommage", which is French for cheese. It refers to rubbing body parts or genitals together - usually in a sexual way. It is not a risk for hiv infection. The only time frottage is a risk is when people get carried away and allow unprotected intercourse to occur as a result.

Frottage includes rubbing the penis head on the outer genitals. This is why I say your incident falls on the side of frottage and isn't something I'd worry about.

As for stopping yourself from getting carried away, well, whatever works. ;) It also helps to have a condom handy!

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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2007, 03:20:19 PM »
Ann,
Thanks very much for the explanation.....I did however have the head of my penis inserted into her vagina, it was not on the outside.  Still no need to test for that?

I did get to see this woman face to face today.  I went to see her.  I asked her again if she was ok.  She said no problem.  120% fine.  But people lie.  I have also done a bit of research and itseems that even though my penis head was inside her briefly ( I mean briefly...10 seconds is stretching it I am sure) that the risk is zero from this event. 

From what else I have read it seems multiple exposures are typically required to a positive person before infection usually takes place.  A doc on another site said that he does not recommend testing for hiv or even STD's in my case because of this type of exposure.  He basically said hiv just does not "jump" to the other side in a few seconds.  Thats not the way it works.  Corresponds with what you have said and what I was told from the local STD clinic.  I was told by someone else it is a blood borne disease and would have a hard time to infect through a mucous membrane without some kind of lesion, or std present that bring to surface certain types of cells hiv needs to have access to in order to infect.  It's hard to find true info out there.....especially on exactly how transmission takes place.

Still bothers me though.  Why?  I just thank God i pulled instead of pushed..... ;)

You are a very nice lady, seriously.  I just get a sense of calm when I read your writing.  It is very interesting.  I wish you well.
thanks for your responses.

Chubb

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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2007, 04:59:53 PM »
chubb, if you want to listen to the WW's on MedHelp and believe that it takes several times of unprotected sex to contract HIV, then you go ahead and believe it. It only takes one time to get infected. You can do the "Odds and Statistics" scam all you want. You can change numbers with the stroke of a pencil on "Odds and Statistics" but when you contract HIV you can't change that.

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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2007, 05:30:26 PM »
rapidrod,
Why are you so hostile?  I never once said unprotected sex is the way to go.  Never.  Just sharing what I have learned....that's all. sheesh.

Even Ann agrees with no testing based on my experience with this woman. Along with the Dr at medhelp.  So does my local STD clinic.....that's 3 for 3.  They all say i did not have unprotected sex, and really i did not. 

Do your views differ?why?  Do you think I could get hiv this way?  please explain.

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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2007, 05:47:15 PM »
I wasn't replying to your no risk exposure. I was replying to your remark that people have to have multiple exposures to contract HIV, which is not true at all. I'm not hostile, it pisses me for people to spread incorrect information.

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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2007, 05:56:17 PM »
I wasn't replying to your no risk exposure. I was replying to your remark that people have to have multiple exposures to contract HIV, which is not true at all. I'm not hostile, it pisses me for people to spread incorrect information.

I see.  fair enough.  so you agree too this was a no risk exposure?

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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2007, 07:03:48 PM »
Reread my previous reply.

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« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2007, 12:22:03 AM »
Leave the sex worker alone. You're out of line when you pursue your partner for a solution.

Take a breath and listen now. HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. It's significantly more difficult to accomplish from female.
 

Andy,
If you would not mind. Could you please explain or point me to where I can read why hiv is hard to transmit or what makes this so?  I read this statement over and over but i cannot find out why.

As well, this guy had a higher risk exposure than I did but yet it seems like you were more confident in how he would come out of this than you were me.  Only my head went in for a few seconds, he was fully in for who knows how long. 

Why the difference?

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« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2007, 12:26:49 AM »
Chubb, do not post in any thread other than your own. Please read and follow the guidelines on posting found in the "Welcome" thread.

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« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2007, 12:28:28 AM »
Oh,ok i didnt know.  Can you move it?

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« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2007, 12:33:06 AM »
Quote from: Andy Velez on January 21, 2007, 12:10:48 PM
Leave the sex worker alone. You're out of line when you pursue your partner for a solution.

Take a breath and listen now. HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. It's significantly more difficult to accomplish from female.

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Andy,
If you would not mind. Could you please explain or point me to where I can read why hiv is hard to transmit or what makes this so?  I read this statement over and over but i cannot find out why.

As well, this guy had a higher risk exposure than I did but yet it seems like you were more confident in how he would come out of this than you were me.  Only my head went in for a few seconds, he was fully in for who knows how long. 

Why the difference?

thank you

Rapidrod, so everyone agrees my risk was non existent then?

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« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2007, 01:02:13 AM »
You did not have a risk in the situation that you have provided. If you would have read the transmission lessons you would have found the answers to your questions. So instead of me explaining it. Read for yourself the explanation found in the lessons section.

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« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2007, 06:00:44 AM »
Chubb,

I explained the basics of why hiv isn't easy to transmit in my first reply to you.

Hiv is a very fragile virus. The "envelope" surrounding it can be easily broken down. Small changes in its environment will damage this envelope.

In addition, hiv infects through a system of "plugs" and "sockets". It has to find the correct human cells that have the correct sockets for hiv to plug into. If these plugs have been damaged, hiv cannot infect.

The correct type of cells are only found in certain places - like the inside of the vagina or anus, which are large surface areas, or inside the urethra, which is a tiny suface area by comparison - with a tiny opening. This is why we say it is harder to transmit from a woman to a man. There are simply FAR fewer recepticals where hiv can get a foot-hold where a penis is concerned.

None of us are concerned your frottage incident - and neither should you be.

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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2007, 07:59:36 PM »
Chubb,

I explained the basics of why hiv isn't easy to transmit in my first reply to you.

Hiv is a very fragile virus. The "envelope" surrounding it can be easily broken down. Small changes in its environment will damage this envelope.

In addition, hiv infects through a system of "plugs" and "sockets". It has to find the correct human cells that have the correct sockets for hiv to plug into. If these plugs have been damaged, hiv cannot infect.

The correct type of cells are only found in certain places - like the inside of the vagina or anus, which are large surface areas, or inside the urethra, which is a tiny suface area by comparison - with a tiny opening. This is why we say it is harder to transmit from a woman to a man. There are simply FAR fewer recepticals where hiv can get a foot-hold where a penis is concerned.

None of us are concerned your frottage incident - and neither should you be.

Ann


Thank you for that detailed explanation.  I am wondering though, my head of my penis was inside her, briefly though as I mentioned.  So how would the virus become potentially damaged like this?  How would it even get into me that quick/  ?  I am not so worried about it anymore but i am interested in knowledge.  I have read the transmission pages and it was a good read but this is somewhat unique to those pages as they do not directly inform about my situation.

Don't get me wrong, I hear both of you, but i am still wondering how the virus would be potentially damaged in my case.  Because i was n and out fairly quick or??

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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2007, 06:42:57 AM »
Chubb,

The only female sexual secretion that has been proven to be infectious is the mucus that covers and protects the cervix, which is deep within the vagina. This mucus is usually refered to as cervico-vaginal fluid.

The lubricating fluid that one feels when a woman is excited comes from two glands on either side of the vaginal opening. This fluid hasn't been shown to be particularly infectious, rather like sweat or tears. This is (part of) why frottage or cunnilingus aren't risks.

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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2007, 10:42:10 AM »
Thanks Ann, you are the best.  Great info.

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« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2007, 11:37:21 AM »
Chubb,

Just remember that while frottage is safe where hiv is concerned, hips tend to have a mind of their own. Frottage can be fun to practice, but you need a great deal of self control over your thrusting urge. Keep the condoms handy and I wouldn't recommend frottage if you don't have one available. 

To be totally honest, I wouldn't recommend frottage to anyone who doesn't know their partner's sexual health status. While you aren't at risk for hiv, you ARE at risk for the other, more common and easily transmitted infections like  gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes.

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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2007, 03:20:03 PM »
RE: "frottage" incident where the head of my penis was inserted in a womans vagina for a few seconds.  It has now been just over 4weeks and I had pretty much let this incident go after the reassurance i was given here and other places.  I now have a sore throat though.  This usually does not happen to me so I am wondering if something could be happening now? 

Was there really no risk from my event? 

Is it probably just coincidence I now have a sore throat? 

Is a sore throat even a symtom of HIV infection?

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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2007, 03:58:48 PM »
Reread the replies that you have already been given.

 


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