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Offline scaredstraight68

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well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« on: June 21, 2006, 03:55:54 AM »
I'm not going to come on here and freak myself out like I did before.  I know the deal, 14 weeks go get checked.  Hetero sex with a girl. Used a condom and it broke.  Pulled it out and noticed blood.  Went in the room, took a leak and washed it off.  Couldn't believe I put myself back in that position.  I really dont know her history but i know shes not conservative.  She claims to not have been with many people and has been tested before but that means nothing really.  I would say no longer than 5-10 seconds after breakage.  Is this high risk?  Is vaginal blood a high transmitter?  I'm sure it is.  If someone has some links they can post them and I won't waste anyones time.  Im sure its been talked about on here.

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2006, 05:40:50 AM »
scared,

A condom break is low risk, but not totally without risk. I've never seen someone come back with positive test results after a break - it's very rare, especially when the worried person is the insertive partner.

I'm fully expecting you to test negative, but you should test and you know the score - except you only have to wait 12-13 weeks, not fourteen.

Condoms rarely break when they are used properly. Please read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use those condoms properly and avoid breakages. The most common cause of breaks is the presence of an air bubble being left in the tip of the condom. Not using lube is also another common cause of breaks.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs. If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start.

As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Test at the appropriate time, collect your negative result and make sure you learn how to use condoms properly. We're not born with that knowledge, so get reading. You are going to be just fine.

Ann
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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 10:48:44 AM »
Well Ann, that actually made me feel a little better.  Does your answer hold true during a womens menstreul cycle?  She was on her period to both of our surprise.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2006, 11:43:37 AM »
scared,

Yes, the same advice holds true and I was aware of your comments about the blood when I answered you.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult virus to transmit and more so to the insertive partner. You did the right thing and wore a condom. Even though it broke, you were completely protected up until it did. You noticed right away so your exposure was very minimal. I would think you are more likely to win a 10 million dollar lottery from a ticket you found in the gutter than become infected with hiv through this incident.

You should test - more as a formality to make 100% certain more than anything else. And let that test be a part of your first annual, routine, complete sexual health check-up. Annual checks are the responsible, adult thing to do when you're sexually active.

Promise me you'll study the condom link in my signature line so you don't find yourself "in this position" again. Correctly used condoms rarely break.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2006, 11:47:46 AM »
deal :) 

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 12:12:31 AM »
I wonder if a forum for HIV anxiety would be helpful.  I think it has a place just as the disease itself.  Feelings of doom, fatigue and depression are often related to getting tested or waiting to get tested.  I know because I've done it and I'm doing it now, although this time not as bad.  I've read my post word for word at least 10 times but maybe I just need someone to talk to, someone to help see things rationally, (not that Ann didn't in my post, I felt WAYYYY better after talking to her.)  Maybe it's just someone to tell you you're going to be ok.  I guess it would be more on dealing with ones mental health reguarding HIV than the actuall prevention section.  Maybe this isn't the right place for it but it might be helpful.  Also anxiety issues could be filtered over to that area rather than scaring people coming on for advise.  I think more times than not we need someone to tell us to get out and do something and stop searching the net for proof for something that isnt there.   :-\
« Last Edit: June 28, 2006, 12:19:52 AM by scaredstraight68 »

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 01:11:58 AM »
Just my personal opinion but everything is blanketed under the "Am I infected?" forum. This website is run and operated by and for people with HIV. I believe that this part of the forum only existed to educate people about HIV testing and to stop people who are worried about HIV asking personal questions of HIV positive people (what symptoms did you have etc). Everything you mention is normally covered here and I would be against the expansion of the forum from its current state.

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 01:14:45 AM »
good enough..   Im not trying to screw up a good thing by anymeans.. Everyone's lucky to have this site.

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 05:50:34 AM »
scared,

We do tell people to "get out and do something and stop searching the net for proof for something that isnt there" and we tell them all the time. They don't listen in this forum, why would they listen in another?

Now, get off the internet and get some fresh air and excercise. Stop searching the internet, trying to diagnose yourself. Stay productively busy until it's time to got get tested and collect what I fully expect to be a negative result.

OK?

Are you listening?

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2006, 09:42:54 PM »
lol ya i'm listening Ann.   Hey can I ask a stupid question.. I know it's stupid but I want to ask before I jet. 

I've noticed some people on here make comments that they did not ejaculate like its a good thing.  Would ejaculating or taking a leak help flush the penis out a little.  Im clueless on this, it just seemed logical.  I know this in no way is a safe sex procedure but can it hurt?  It would seem anything that is flushed outward would be a good thing.

Chalk this up to dumb question 5,445
« Last Edit: June 28, 2006, 09:44:37 PM by scaredstraight68 »

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2006, 09:48:50 PM »
Ejaculating is totally irrelevant in terms of your health vis a vis HIV. The person who could be affected by it is your partner if you're having unprotected sex.

Ditto on urinating as far as "cleaning out your urethra."

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2006, 12:07:41 AM »
Is my situation a common one? I've cruised around the site a little and didnt find much.  I'm hoping that it's been brought here before.  I'm not one for breaking new ground.  I'd be lying if I said that I'm not grasping on to Ann's knowledge in the matter to keep my sanity. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2006, 05:00:31 AM »
scared,

We see broken condoms here all the time, sometimes with blood, sometimes without. I have yet to see an insertive partner with a broken condom go on to test positive. I'm sure you will not be the first.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2006, 02:21:47 PM »
Grasp away! I also expect you to come out of this ok.

Cheers,
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2006, 02:48:13 PM »
Thanks guys.. Means alot.

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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2006, 11:46:30 AM »
I know symptoms mean nothing just a question.   I have a slight sore throat, no fever that I know of.  Nothing else too different.  I think I felt the infection coming on the 7th day.  I will say I've been on the more stressed side which Im hoping could cause this.  Its not a bad sore throat.  I'm hoping this really doesnt chage any answers.  Is the lack of a fever a sign that the symptoms arent due to ARS?
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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2006, 06:58:55 PM »
Scared,

Symptoms or the LACK of symptoms mean absolutely nothing when it comes to hiv infection.


You are not likely to test positive and worrying yourself sick about it isn't going to change the outcome.

Ann

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2006, 07:38:51 PM »
If I accept that symptoms mean nothing can I ask a couple questions.  I would rather ask them here and get expert advise than cruise the net looking an some yahoos advice or outdated information. (Sidenote - The liberal Christian might be the worst piece of information on the web. IMHO)

Q1: T/F - Symptoms of ARS almost coinside with some kind of noticable fever.  However, Fever and sypmtoms themselves are not indicators of HIV or the lack of symptoms for that matter. 

Q2:  Would it be unlikey that the complete ARS cycle would be complete by day 13.  I went to my doctor today (14 days later), he said everything looked good.  I had a bit of a very mild sore throat 6-10 days following that lasted 3 days (Maybe due to reflux, no fever) and went in today but he said everything looked normal.  The two glands under adjecent to my throat may have been a little swollen (maybe) but I think its because I kept checking them.  He said they were normal today.  My arms feel week but I know its due to anxiety because they started to a couple days after and the last time I went through this my body was numb and tired from all the Anxiety.  I know I sound like the typical WW and I truly do appologize, but coming on here will keep me sane compared to the various information on the web. 

Can I get some street credit for keeping it all on my own thread :)

One last thing.  Are we the wierd ones?  None of my friends ever talk about the possiblitly of HIV and even the girl that this happened with is making me feel like I was way over thinking it and she was totally clueless on HIV information.  Even my mom has been like, "why are you testing for HIV?"  It amazes me.  I called my bro one time (who has a rather wild hetero lifestyle) and he made me feel like, "you know how hard it is for you to get HIV."  It's truely amazing to me. Even my doc thought I was a little wierd for testing at 6 and 12 weeks last time.

I hope I didn't offend anyone by anything I posted. 
« Last Edit: July 06, 2006, 07:52:59 PM by scaredstraight68 »

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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2006, 07:50:03 PM »
scared,

Q1. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. That's precisely why symptoms or the lack of symptoms mean nothing.

Q2. If symptoms happen at all, they tend to start around two week after infection has taken place. Everyone is slightly different. Symptoms, or the lack of symptoms mean nothing when it comes to hiv infection.

The ONLY way to know your hiv status is through testing. In your case, your risk was very small and I totally expect you to test negative - at the appropriate time - in relation to this incident.

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2006, 12:54:50 AM »
This is a fun little look at the odds of life.  I don't know it's accuracy but its an entertaining.  Please don't look too much into it, I posted for its entertainment purpose.  And no there is no HIV odds.

The Odds
Ever wondered....

Odds that a person between the age of 18 and 29 does NOT read a newspaper regularly: 3 to 1
Odds that an American adult does not want to live to age 120 under any circumstances: 3 to 2

Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1

Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1

Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1

Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1

Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1

Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1

Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1

Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1

Odds of being killed in any sort of non-transportation accident: 69 to 1

Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1

Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1

Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1

Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1

Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1

Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1

Odds of being considered possessed by Satan: 7,000 to 1

Odds that a first marriage will survive without separation or divorce for 15 years: 1.3 to 1

Odds that a celebrity marriage will last a lifetime: 3 to 1

Odds of getting hemorrhoids: 25 to 1

Odds of being born a twin in North America: 90 to 1

Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1

Odds of being audited by the IRS: 175 to 1

Odds of having your identity stolen: 200 to 1

Odds of dating a millionaire: 215 to 1

Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1

Odds of writing a New York Times best seller: 220 to 1

Odds of finding out your child is a genius: 250 to 1

Odds of catching a ball at a major league ballgame: 563 to 1

Odds of becoming a pro athlete: 22,000 to 1

Odds of finding a four-leaf clover on first try: 10,000 to 1

Odds of a person in the military winning the Medal of Honor: 11,000 to 1

Odds of winning an Academy Award: 11,500 to 1

Odds of striking it rich on Antiques Roadshow: 60,000 to 1

Odds of getting a royal flush in poker on first five cards dealt: 649,740 to 1

Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1

Odds of becoming president: 10,000,000 to 1

Odds of winning the California lottery: 13,000,000 to 1

Odds of becoming a saint: 20,000,000 to 1

Odds of a meteor landing on your house: 182,138,880,000,000 to 1

Chance of an American home having at least one container of ice cream in the freezer: 9 in 10.

Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820

Chance of dying from intentional self-harm: 1 in 9,380

Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421

Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585

Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666

Chance of dying from accidental drowning: 1 in 79,065

Chance of dying from exposure to smoke, fire, and flames: 1 in 81,524

Chance of dying in an explosion: 1 in 107,787

Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000

Chance of dying in such a collision: 1 in 20,000

Chance of dying from exposure to forces of nature (heat, cold, lightning, earthquake, flood): 1 in 225,107

Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319

Chance of dying from choking on food: 1 in 370,035

Chance of dying in a terrorist attack while visiting a foreign country: 1 in 650,000

Chance of dying in a fireworks accident: 1 in 1,000,000

Chance of dying from overexertion, travel or privation: 1 in 1,428,377

Chance of dying from food poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000

Chance of dying from legal execution: 1 in 3,441,325

Chance of dying from contact with hot tap water: 1 in 5,005,564

Chance of dying from parts falling off an airplane: 1 in 10,000,000

Chance of dying from ignition or melting of nightwear: 1 in 30,589,556

Chance of dying from being bitten by a dog: 1 in 700,000

Chance of dying from contact with a venomous animal or plant: 1 in 3,441,325

Chance of dying from being bitten or struck by mammals (other than dogs or humans): 1 in 4,235,477

Chance of dying from a mountain lion attack in California: 1 in 32,000,000

Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000

Chance of having a stroke: 1 in 6

Chance of dying from heart disease: 1 in 3

Chance of getting arthritis: 1 in 7

Chance of suffering from asthma or allergy diseases: 1 in 6

Chance of getting the flu this year: 1 in 10

Chance of developing schizophrenia: 1 in 00

Chance of contracting the human version of mad cow disease: 1 in 40,000,000

Chance of dying from SARS in the United States: 1 in 100,000,000

Chance of American man developing cancer in his lifetime: 1 in 2

Chance of an American woman developing cancer in her lifetime: 1 in 3

Chance of getting prostate cancer: 1 in 6

Chance of getting breast cancer: 1 in 9

Chance of getting colon / rectal cancer: 1 in 26

Chance of beating pancreatic or liver cancer: 1 in 9

Chance of beating thyroid or testicular cancer: 9 in 10

    
 

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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2006, 05:03:51 AM »
I don't find your odds being entertaining and this has nothing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 07:01:37 AM »
Scared,

The entertainment factor is lost on those with serious hiv concerns.... I understand your intent with this post, but it would be better suited to the "off topic" forum.

Morgan
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2006, 07:04:39 AM »
scared,

If you want to post "entertaining" posts, please do so in the Off Topic forum. That's what it's there for.

I find the odds of being on a plane with a drunken pilot somewhat disturbing. I fly to Liverpool and back once every six weeks and I guess that would probably mean I've had a tipsy pilot on the evening return journey at least once.... ~shudder~

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One last thing.  Are we the wierd ones?  None of my friends ever talk about the possiblitly of HIV and even the girl that this happened with is making me feel like I was way over thinking it and she was totally clueless on HIV information.  Even my mom has been like, "why are you testing for HIV?"  It amazes me.  I called my bro one time (who has a rather wild hetero lifestyle) and he made me feel like, "you know how hard it is for you to get HIV."  It's truely amazing to me. Even my doc thought I was a little wierd for testing at 6 and 12 weeks last time.

Scared, maybe you should be talking to your friends then. Tell them how hiv is making serious inroads into the heterosexual population. Just because hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus doesn't mean it's an impossible virus to transmit. I once thought like that and look where it got me - I've been hiv positive for nine years. If you met me, you would never, ever guess that I am positive because I don't fit into any of the so-called "risk groups" and neither did the man from whom I got my infection.

Try to get your mates to understand the importance of using condoms - and it's not just hiv they need to be worrying about. Chlamydia is rampant in the 16 - 24 age group and is a leading cause of infertility. It can be present without symptoms too and this is one of the reasons why you should also impress upon your friends that they should be having regular sexual health care check-ups, even if they do use condoms. You don't have to lecture your mates, you can slip this information in during conversations. Most of all, you can lead by example by using condoms yourself and having routine check-ups and letting your mates know you do.

The only way we are going to slow this pandemic down is through education. Please take the time to educate your mates and your family too - you just might save a life.

Ann

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2006, 11:40:33 PM »
Well now Im really scared.  I called back the girl and told her I had glands in my throat a little swollen, and tender in my groin, had  a slight case of diarea and a mild sore throat three weeks after.  I also told her I've been a little run down.  She told me its nothing, She had strep throat a few weeks earlier.  Said she had rash on her hands and somewhere else with a fever and sore throat.  I almost lost it.  She has no clue on HIV infections and could care less about getting tested.  I told her the facts and she said everything causes those symptoms.  Said she has too many other things in her life to freak out about.  I was speechless.  I wish I never would have answered the telephone when she called me originally. 

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2006, 12:03:14 AM »
She did say that the doctor gave her antibiotics and it cleared up in a couple days.  If shes telling the truth

Also, I'm going to get tested for Gonorea and Clamitia in the morning.  I don't have a discharge but a tenderness in the groing.  Im betting on Gonorea.  This whole thing is spiraling downwards.  Im really trying to keep a level head but its getting harder.
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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2006, 05:40:05 AM »
Scared,

I'm glad to hear you are testing for other STIs, as it is entirely possible that you got one of the other, more easily transmitted infections through your condom break incident. However, that does not change the fact that it is highly unlikely you were infected with hiv through this same incident.

And as you know, your symptoms don't mean a thing when it comes to hiv infection.

I'm still expecting you to test hiv negative.

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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2006, 05:30:41 PM »
Well Im being treated for Gon and Clim. but the results for that wont be back till next week.  I've getting some culture tets done for other stuff as well.  I guess on a good note what I thought was a soar thorat looked completly normal to my doc and what I thought were raised lymph nodes wernt acording to my doc.  So I guess that might be some kind of silver lining.  I do feel better that now my symptoms apear to be fatigue which is probably due to panic attacks.  I think I slept 3 min last night. maybe.  I need to control my mind.  THanks for listening everyone.  I've come to the conclusion that I make my self more and more sick every time I call that girl back and get more information or hear ignorance when it comes to HIV.  My fav line shes used to date was.  I know I dont have HIV.  I just feel like I dont.  My mouth dropped obviously. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2006, 11:15:20 PM »
Should I have taken Pep in my circumstance.  I read the "Upper Anal" thread with blood and figured to be in the same risk catagory.   I feel like maybe I should of.  I know its too late now but I keep thinking I should have.  Especially with the strong possibility i picked up chlymidia. 

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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2006, 05:27:08 AM »
Scared,

Let me remind you of your words when you started this thread:

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I'm not going to come on here and freak myself out like I did before.

But that is exactly what you are doing. Your situation is NOTHING like the other situation. For a start, you don't even know if this woman is hiv positive.  Stop freaking yourself out. It's highly unlikely that you would become infected after a condom break during vaginal intercourse - blood or no blood.

You would be doing yourself a big favour if you stayed away from this website until you've tested - and collected what I fully expect will be negative results.

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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2006, 07:00:25 PM »
Got my tests back today for Ghonorea and Chlymittia.  Both came back negative to my surprise and even my doctor for that matter.  I'm not sure that pushes the chips one way or the other but any news is good news I guess.  I do have Epididymis which my doc says is not due to a STD.  Im not going to go see if thats a symptom of ARS because I know if I look hard enough I will find it.  I went for a 4 week test today which I know is a waste of time but I need it for my well beeing mentally.  I promise not to look at anyone elses threads. That seems fair.  Im fighting myself not to list my symptoms.. But I'm not.

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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2006, 09:02:25 PM »
"Operation scared" now in progress.

I noticed today that I have some (6) pin point pimples spaced out about 3 inches apart on my arm and (3 or 4) on my chest undernith the right side of my chest.  Most appear around a folical. or it would seem. Maybe resemble bug bites kinda.  Not seeing much redness or sunburn look.  I'm going into see my doctor on mon in which I wll talk to her about it and hopefully have my results.  Im hoping sweat/anxiety is causing this.  I dont have any fever although im fatigued from being stressed all day.  Any insite on what a "typical ARS" rash might look like.  Is the rash usually pimply? 
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2006, 05:46:42 AM »
Scared,

The ARS associated rash is nothing at all like a pimple or any other kind of bump on your skin.

Once again, it is highly unlikely that you will have become infected with hiv, as the insertive partner, through a short possible exposure due to a condom break in the presence of blood.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2006, 08:48:44 PM »
I took my test on tues afternoon 3:30ish.  Its Thurs and the doctors office said the results still arent in.  Im a little concerned as last time I thought I got them in a couple days.. Would thurs be to quick for results?


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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2006, 09:22:03 PM »
It can take 2 weeks to get results. I take HIV tests every 3 months and it rarely comes in on time. Thy have all been negative and not had to be redone. I don't have time to talk, but you should look at the risk. Everyone said it was low - so don't worry. I predict a good weekend for you.

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2006, 02:06:02 PM »
I got my negative results back today and I have to say for the first time I actually feel like everyone else is right and I am wrong.  It was only a 4 week test mind you and I know not conclusive but I think it might push the odds a little more in my favor as most people sero by 22 days from what I've read on here. I also tested negative on all my STD panels not that it matters.

Quick question:

If I was feeling run down or had a sore throat or fatigued or loss of appatite before/during the test, is it safe to assume that those symptoms have nothing to do with any HIV exposure?

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I hope the moderators and people on this site know how much of a service they are.  It's a selfless act that hopefully doesnt go unnoticed by those who obtain negative results.  Either way, I will never forget what you guys have done/doing for me. :)

I think I might just have an OK weekend.
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2006, 11:29:39 PM »
can someone please send me to an area that would explain the sero process a little.  The main thing I'm looking for is testing during/after "alledged symptoms."  Can we asume that any so-called symptoms that occoured during or before a neg test have nothing to do with ARS?  (I fully understand this is not an exempt)  A couple of redflags that happened 1-2 weeks prior would give me somewhat of a releif if I knew they were non-related. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2006, 04:42:21 AM »
scared,

If you test after the appearance of symptoms and you have actually been infected, then you are likely to test positive.

If you test during symptoms and you have actually been infected, you are likely to test indeterminate.

You tested negative at four weeks over a condom break. It is a good indication of your true status, but not conclusive.

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2006, 09:45:06 PM »
is P24 Antigen included in the new standard Elisa tests? (4th Gen?) What's the odds thy use that at my testing site in CA?

I read this in the lessons on the old site.  I would assume its current.

"P24 Antigen Test: This test uses ELISA technology to look directly for key pieces of the HIV virus the p24 protein found on HIV's outer coat. This test can reduce the chance of a false-negative in standard (antibody) ELISA testing is done too early (i.e., less than 13 weeks after exposure). The p24 antigen test may be ordered if there's been a very recent risky exposure to HIV, such as a healthcare work-related incident. Blood banks also use it for screening donations.
Valuable in detecting HIV infection early in the window period after exposure, this test is only useful for a period of approximately three weeks after exposure, before the production of antibodies begins. A p24 test result should be confirmed by antibody testing once the window period has passed."

If the P24 is included whats the pickup rate at 28 days?  It would seem that if it is combined in the 4th Gen. test,  the key HIV pieces would be picked up by p24 if it was too early and the antibodys would be picked up by the Elisa segment of the test if it were too late for the P24 to register.  There is a strong possiblility that I am complety clueless to what I'm reading. So excuse my ignorance in this matter.

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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2006, 04:49:28 PM »
They wouldn't use a P24 test on you because the first three weeks is the window limit.

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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2006, 05:11:32 PM »
Well, I made a few calls and finally got through with the actual lab that does the tests.  It appears that most if not all labs (US) federally supplied/funded use the current 4th gen Elisa.  The test combines the P24 and Antibody test.  The test needs double non-reactives to be considered negative.  Of course, if one or the other is reacitve its then sent to the western blot.  Both tests (not western blot) are conducted under one procedure.  She mentioned that the combination of the two tests is what makes it so sensitive. 

She also mentioned that Western blot tests are not always positive. 

4th gen elisa is AKA a "duo test."
4th Generation tests for simultaneous detection of p24 Ag (HIV-1 Ag) and HIV-1/HIV-2Ab.
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2006, 08:02:20 PM »
Is it possible to live a normal life with HIV? I don't want to be a train wreck if things don't work out.  My doctor thinks I'm being irrational as does my family members and probably most of your here,  but I know the realities of the situation. I do have a daughter to raise and I guess my fear is that this would limit that.  I do have a strong support group around me which is good.  I'm trying to stay focused on the positve things and forget about the symptoms and the original situation.  I'm also trying to focus on the positve if things go a different route.  I don't want to fear HIV weather im + or - any more. I'm sick of being scared.  It makes me run down and fatigued which further fuels my fears.  I guess I just would like to approach/deal with all of this rationally. 

And a question reduarding 4th gen testing. If we agree that the test combines Antibody + PG Antigen testing,  Is their a segment after 3 weeks where there is an absense of HIV and antbodies?  Meaning if you had HIV present at 3 weeks and antibodies were taking over by 4.  Is there a day or two where their is a neutral state where neither HIV nor detectable antibodies are present?  And when they talk about sensitivity errors is it false negatives or false positives?

Thanks, typical WW
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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2006, 10:26:23 PM »
Scared,

I can totally relate to what is going on in you. I am going through the same situation. One thing I learnt so far, panicking does not help! I am also thinking about HIV all the time, surfing for sites etc. etc. But as everyone mentioned to you (also me) that our situation is of minimum risk...and if you think about it...there's no other way of being 100% sure other than taking the tests and wait until 13 weeks.

Hope we both test negative   :) good luck.

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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2006, 11:26:45 PM »
Ya, I want to look at the positives no matter what happens.  Thats the only way I will control my fear of not knowing. This whole experience has taught me to appreciate every second, maybe listen a little better, be a little more compationate and face my fears head on.   I'm not going to let this experience go to waste.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2006, 05:57:22 PM »
Scared,
    I just wanted to let you know (just like scaredguyto did) that I know exactly how you feel and what you're going through. I had an experience about five weeks ago that has left me with plenty of symptoms, and I've lost plenty of sleep (due both to not being able to sleep and from staying up till 3:00 AM reading websites online). I finally realized a few days ago that stressing about it does nothing for me - whether I research it online or not, the results will come back from the test the same.

Like you said, this experience, regardless of whether or not I come back HIV + or -, has left me with a greater appreciation for life. Life is so precious, and it is so very important to make every second of it count and not risk it through things such as unprotected sexual experiences.

Anyways, please try not to worry - it about killed me when I did and only probably worsened my symptoms. If you're at all religious (I'm southern baptist), perhaps just pray about it and pray not to let your nerves get to you. That's helped me the most I think.

I'll check back on this post often - if you ever need to talk or anything, just post. We'll get through this together!

(P.S. - sorry this post wasn't scientific - I can't offer technical advice as obviously I'm still the learner at this point, but I do understand the stress you're going through!)

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2006, 06:54:36 PM »
You know it's funny, you come on here, surf the net, call every HIV hotline across the USA in hopes to find some kind of answer that will set you free.  Then when you find it, it's not enough and you need more reasurance. The thing that makes it more fustrating is if you look for any good or bad sign associated with your situation, you will find it.   It's almost like you have to approach the whole deal positively even in the worse case senerio. 

The thing that kllls me is I was here almost one year ago to date saying that I would never put myself in this position again and sure enough I'm here.  It would be easy to say just look at the situation last year, it was the same and you were the same but logically your mind doesn't let you buy into it. 

I remember when I was 18 (maybe like 14 years ago) I had my first HIV test. Scared me then but not as much as now.   I remember the Doc then told me it was virtually impossible to get it if I was straight. As any 18 year old kid, I bought into it.  Then I did some research and found out that he either was telling me what I wanted to hear or clueless. (Probably clueless)   Now, when anyone weather its a doc, family memeber, even the pros on here tell me something it's like I approach it with, "I know better."   Even though maybe I don't.  The thought of something else being in control of your destiny is enough to send anyone through the roof.  That's why I'm going to try my best not to let a + or - be in control of my destiny.   

I do think it's interesting that most (not all) of the people that seem to come on here and freak out the worst are straight males.  (Myself included)  Just an observation. 

I am by no means a hard core religious person but I do believe in God.  As far as God, this situation has brought me closer to God, however, I don't believe God would choose me to be OK and sentence others. Its like an apartment fire and someone gets out alive and tells the press, I'm just glad GOD was with me like God chose not with the other people.  He probably doesnt work like that.  But ya, it's brought me back to God and I'd be lying if I said I didn't ask for some guidence to get me through this.
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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2006, 07:14:36 PM »
Is this website your blog now? I urge you to leave and not fill the bytes of this website with your random thoughts. Wait until you get your 13 week test and don't come here until you have it. I remain unconvinced that this website is helping you at all. You just feel it is because it can make you feel better for 5 minutes. Stop papering over the cracks and get some real help.

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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2006, 07:59:59 PM »
I'm too dumb to know what a blog is or how to do one, but I wont post anymore. 

The only thing I would contadict is that I know this site has helped. 
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2006, 11:24:46 PM »
I don't doubt that this website helped you, I said it isn't helping you now. So that's not a contradiction

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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2006, 01:30:52 AM »
Scaredstraight,

At this point, this site is just enabling your obsession with hiv. 

You should stay off the web and get busy with life until such time as you can test for a conclusive result.

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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2006, 01:43:31 AM »
I have one quick question, I know I said I wouldn't post but I need this answered.  It's really not about me freaking out. (even though I do.)  My daughter likes to give me butterfly kisses with her eyes.  I'm not sure what the transmission rates are via eye fluids especially if someone has a high viral load.  I notice I've been very cautious around her.  Is this anything to worry about?  Sometimes her eyes are watery and I'm scared to touch her.

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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2006, 02:49:37 AM »
Scaredstraight, I absolutely do not think you are using this forum as an educational tool. I think you are coming here each time you have a passing thought, and not ever bothering to read the lessons.

I am not going to dignify any further posts on this thread.

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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2006, 11:01:35 PM »
You should live in an oxygen bubble.
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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2006, 11:33:02 PM »
lol, good one, just because I'm freaking out doesn't mean I don't have a sense of humor.

On my questions, I'll make sure to read through the lessons before I post anything.
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« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2006, 11:45:19 AM »
I notice you lurk on this forum a lot, even when you are not posting. What for? Don't you realize how bad this forum is for you? Even though you might THINK it helps, it is actually the worst possible thing you can do. I am going to put you on ignore as I can't watch you do this to yourself anymore.

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« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2006, 02:24:34 PM »
Ok, I got my 6 week neg result back today and I feel VERY relieved :)  HIV worker, please don't get upset.  I'm more normal than you probably think.  Im not lurking around, I just never sign off so maybe it appears that I'm on more than I am. Maybe I lurk a little, who am I BSing.  With that being said, If I move to Massachussetts can I stop testing :)  (Joke)

Seriously guys (gals) please don't look at me as a freak, it's just a scary part of my life.  I know you guys have been more than patient with me. 

The good news is I will spread all the information on safe sex and HIV transmission I've learned from this site to as many people as I can. Thats the only gift I have to offer in return.

Have a good weekend everyone:)
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« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2006, 10:52:12 PM »
Never signing off or lurking - you are always here and have the website open. It's doing you NO good.

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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2006, 11:12:01 PM »
I can't shake it.  I went from:
Scouring the net for
"Odds of transmission durring mentration"
 then progressed to
"Odds of transmission after 4 week Elisa"
then progressed to
"Odds of transmission after 6 week Elisa"

My doctor told me to forget about HIV but I can't.  I finally broke down and made an appointment for a Psychiatrist.  I can't really sleep and I hate waking up in the morning because I know my mind will kick into "HIV calculation mode."  I've read so much HIV literature I think my head will explode. 

Does the combination 4 and 6 week get me almost out of the woods?  Should I approach the next test as just a formality rather than a possibllity?  I have to ask my doc to set me up for another test and she didn't think i needed the 6 week.  I know she thinks I'm crazy. I'm hoping that tests trump symptoms.   I'm trying to attribute my symptoms as self manafested.  It's hard.  I hate this crap.  No kidding.
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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2006, 11:16:02 PM »
Go see your shrink. We can't help anymore, the answers have been gone over and over and over.

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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2006, 08:42:27 PM »
Post 6 Week testing using 3rd gen testing: Theoretical Risk?

I've noticed that people claim receiving oral sex to be a theoretical risk more than an actual risk as it is rarely seen.  (Which I agree with).  With that being said, wouldn't the 6 week marker under 3rd gen elisa testing fall under that catagory.  From what I've read from AIDSMEDS moderators that have been around for a long time, they've never seen -6week to +12week.  Doctor H. has never seen it.  Mass ovbviously thinks 6 weeks in conclusive.  The UN now endorses 6 weeks.  Why wouldnt more emphasis be put on 6 weeks for those using current testing?  The only other reason I could possibly think of Mass having a 6 week window period is to reduce collateral damage: Ie:  Someone that knows their status at 6 weeks is less likely to infect others through 3 months.  The few that slip through would be worth those spared through a longer window period?  On the other hand I would think they could become liable if they were giving the green light at 6 weeks and people were coming back pos.  With a population such as Mass has, wouldn't we here more if they were actually incorrect in this matter?  They are bold enough to say stop testing after 6 weeks. If California said that smoking does not cause Cancer, the CDC would be very upfront about it saying California was putting its people in danger.  I havn't really read any literature on the CDC condeming Mass for its window.   Even the Elisa test itself has an accuracy of 99.9?%.  And yes I still think theres a chance of me coming back pos.

Reference:
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/STD/messages/524.html

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/HIV/messages/258.html

http://huhs.harvard.edu/HealthInformation/HIVTesting.htm

http://www.aegis.com/askdoc/ASKD040318.html

http://www.aegis.com/askdoc/ASKD040617.html

http://www.sfaf.org/aboutsfaf/outreach/index.html?april00/two_tests.html~frontpage

http://peds.wustl.edu/labmed/retrovirus/

http://experts.about.com/q/Immunology-including-AIDS-973/ELiSA-6-Weeks.htm

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Women/Archive/WomenInfected/Q159734.html

http://www.areuatrisk.com/Learn/aids_hiv.php

http://liam.gnn.tv/print/1775/HIV_Antibody_Assays_Overview

http://www.retroconference.org/2001/posters/415.pdf  (Figure1)

http://www.health24.com/medical/Condition_centres/777-792-814-1753,33966.asp

http://www.aac.org/site/PageServer?pagename=basics_home

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=2523.0

http://www.aegis.com/askdoc/ASKD040318.html

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/publications/book/03MMHIV1to3.pdf  (page 7)

http://www.unaids.org/en/MediaCentre/References/default.asp#begin (q:32)

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SideEffects/Archive/Testing/Q142661.html

http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/initial/case1/discussion.html (figure 7)

http://experts.about.com/q/Immunology-including-AIDS-973/u.htm

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« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2006, 09:00:38 PM »
If you want to look at the 99.9 percent are correct then there is only 1/10 of a percent that is not. That's like saying there is a 99.9 percent chance that a jumbo jet won't crash into your house this evening, BUT there is a 1/10 percent change one would. Nothing in life is 100% except that one day you will die.

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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2006, 09:57:38 PM »
(+ taxes)

But that's bascially what Im saying Rapid.  The WW (such as myself) focus on the 1/10th of a percent.  The word "100 conclusive" or "difinitive" is a word that is used alot from the "CDC" and "thebody" and from a ww point of view they look at everything else as 50/50 odds or even a strong possibility (with symptoms) until 3 months or even 6.  To them 90% of all information states none of the testing done means anything until a 3 month test is done.  THis leaves places like aidsmeds/medhelp/thebody trying to calm everyone down.
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« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2006, 10:18:17 PM »
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The WW (such as myself) focus on the 1/10th of a percent. 

That's sort of the thing, isn't it. You look at that 1/10 of a percent without investigating the circumstances BEHIND people seroconverting later. Circumstances such as immune systems depressed because of other autoimmune disease, chemotherapy, or immune-suppression medicines taken with organ transplantation.

Thing is, the Mass. window is accurate, given the advanced tests they implemented statewide. I wish other states had the means to implement that level of technology in their health clinics. From what I understand, a state which has made great strides in standardizing HIV testing is North Carolina, utilizing the NAT testing procedure. But resources like that are not available in every state.

Until such time as the money is available to implement comparable testing resources throughout the continental US, I think that adhering to a 13 week window is a reasonable response. Obviously, in the case of Mass (and perhaps NC) that window is lower.

As far as the CDC goes, and their failure to endorse or condemn different testing windows, I understand your frustration and share it. How can one place (Mass) use a 6 week window, when the CDC still makes noise about 6 months? Is a whole state's healthcare so ludicrously incompetant and a danger to the public health? Or is the governmental organization so bloated and so inaccurate, thanks to bureaucracy and a religiously motivated agenda, that they would ignore scientific accuracy in favor of maintaining the financial support of the right wing contituents?

I think you know where I think the problem is :)

Of course, it does not help that our educational system has been so behind in teaching science and math, that we bring up generations of people thinking that 100% is a percentage found in nature, let alone medical science. It's not.

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« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2006, 10:35:14 PM »

Thing is, the Mass. window is accurate, given the advanced tests they implemented statewide. I wish other states had the means to implement that level of technology in their health clinics. From what I understand, a state which has made great strides in standardizing HIV testing is North Carolina, utilizing the NAT testing procedure. But resources like that are not available in every state.



Actually jk, Mass isn't really that advanced on its testing as many think.  Their antibody testing is federally supplied.  The test they use most is the stardard ora rapid test (3rd gen equivillent)  which is along the standard at "most" labs accross the US, maybe even a little less advanced.  I had actually called their hotline and asked if different home testing matters to which they replied, "No it does not, 99% of all elisa's now created are considered modern".  Now, I will say that as this site is also looked upon globaly rather than strictly domestically which leaves aidsmeds with an obligation to make sure everyone gets credibal information.  So you can obviously see why a WW is stuck between clinging onto Mass knowledge in HIV testing and trying to get AM to give them an "All Clear."  Fustrating for everyone.

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« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2006, 10:44:56 PM »
Your body doesn't know whether you are in Mass or Mi during an Elisa or Ora-quick test. 6 weeks is all that is needed. I called the CDC the other day. Got as usual a person that couldn't put two words together. She told me the window period is between 2 weeks and 8weeks. She then said with out taking a breath after that it is 3 to 6 months. Gov. what does one expect.

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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2006, 10:55:08 PM »
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  which is along the standard at "most" labs accross the US, maybe even a little less advanced

While accurate, it's that "most" part that keeps the window where it is. We have areas of our own country that lack the resources of third world countries. First gen ELISA tests still do a brisk business in places like West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee. And don't get me started on the Gulfport region.

Of course, even first and second Gen testing is usually accurate after six weeks.

One thing that was gratifying to know about Mass. and their tests, is that they were willing to go with the science, and not the rhetoric. I wish more states, more governmental agencies... and more people... would follow suit.

Our science behind HIV testing is really solid.



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« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2006, 12:40:44 AM »
Your body doesn't know whether you are in Mass or Mi during an Elisa or Ora-quick test. 6 weeks is all that is needed. I called the CDC the other day. Got as usual a person that couldn't put two words together. She told me the window period is between 2 weeks and 8weeks. She then said with out taking a breath after that it is 3 to 6 months. Gov. what does one expect.

happy to see kinatl2 is doing good. You are the man!!!

This statement is very true.  The people answering calls are litterly fumbling though the CDC guide and have very little if any real knowledge on HIV.  It's amazing that the US will spend billions a day on war but can't get top notch qualified people to discuss logical HIV isuues.  The sad thing is most states refer you to them.  Last time I called the information I got was antibodies start building at 3 months.  At that point I was done with the phone call.

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« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2006, 06:56:48 AM »
I'm sorry that is not the information that you received. It is on there own website that it may take up to 22 days for seroconversion. Now to refute the information you received on the phone it was incorrect. They do say 3 months. That is what we go by on Aidsmeds.

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« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2006, 11:36:23 AM »
I'm sorry that is not the information that you received. It is on there own website that it may take up to 22 days for seroconversion. Now to refute the information you received on the phone it was incorrect. They do say 3 months. That is what we go by on Aidsmeds.

It would seem that with 22 days being the time to sero, 42 (nearly double that) would more than reasuring.

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« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2006, 11:41:52 AM »
It would seem that with 22 days being the time to sero, 42 (nearly double that) would more than reasuring.

Yeah, but it won't stop you posting even though you've been told HIV isn't an issue for you.

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« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2006, 01:26:11 PM »
scared,

You are blowing this condom break way out of proportion. Regardless of the presence of menstrual blood, your possible exposure to hiv was minimal at best. You have two negative hiv results under your belt that are not going to change.

I suggest you find another way to spend the remainder of your conclusive window period other than sitting in front of your computer, feeding your pet fear and feeling sorry for yourself.

I'm fully expecting you to receive a conclusive negative result. So should you.

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« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2006, 11:45:33 PM »
...and yet here he still is browsing other posts on the forum...."keep my computer logged in".... my eye!

You are only lying to yourself.

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« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2006, 11:51:11 PM »
HIV worker, why do you bust my chops so much?  It's like you get p@ssed when I'm here.  Am I disrespectful to anyone?  Do I say innapproprate things?

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« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2006, 11:54:47 PM »
It frustrates me to see someone not do something about the problem that they are in and don't take the good advice given to you by pretty much EVERYONE and leave. I've been on this forum for over two years and I've seen people like you before. The only ones that were able to relax and move on during the window period were the ones strong enough to close the computer down.

Your problem is made worse everytime you open this website....and you don't see it.

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« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2006, 12:08:57 AM »
I felt I posted a logical legitimate question asking if a post 6 week test under 3rd gen testing was real or theoretical.  I wasn't asking for more assurance.  Ann, you and Andy and everyone else for that matter has probably given me 10 times more assurance than the average poster, and I thank you all for that.  I'm not fishing for more, I know the deal.  The more I understand HIV transmission and testing the better I feel.  You are correct that sometimes it fuels my fears but more times than not, seeing other threads kind of shows me my situation from the outside.  I told you I was set up to get counsouling next week, and you replied "Go see your shrink" which was rather uncalled for.  HIV anxiety is very real.  I know aidsmeds is more about transmission risks and testing but theres a reason that all WW look the same on here.  If I could turn the switch off I would have a long time ago.  Sorry of you have to watch this happening.  I'm dealing with it better every day.

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« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2006, 12:12:32 AM »
I know more about HIV anxiety than you give me credit for. Coming on this website isn't the answer - not anymore. All of the questions you have are answered in the lessons section. Given the risk the amount of worry you display is not called for. Go see your shrink is good advice because something is fueling your HIV concern that doesn't have a basis in logic. Once you tackle that, you will start to feel better. All this reading about HIV testing statistics is papering over the cracks.

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« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2006, 11:37:30 PM »
Could Acne on face and scalp arms last from week 5 to 9?  Could it seed itself during ARS and hang out.  Would symptoms that hang out to week 9 have anything to do with ARS? Or maybe a better question is can I forget any symptoms happeneing at this time?   I was starting to believe I manifested most of my stuff like but the acne has thrown me a little.  Maybe the antibiotics or stress can cause this? 

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« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2006, 11:39:32 PM »
yikes. scaredstraight, please. Stop.

Stress can indeed cause acne. I refuse to believe you did not know that.

HIV has become your obsession. Its up to you to quit it.

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« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2006, 01:25:35 AM »
Why do condom break get "low risk" status.  Obviously I've read through some posts (no surprise there) and I notice the forum is tough on people who didn't use condoms compared to those who did and broke?  Is there really a difference?  Is it just because we tried and screwed up or is there actually a science behind it all?  Condom breaks are hard to get any kind of research on.  Trust me I KNOW.   

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« Reply #78 on: August 25, 2006, 05:08:52 AM »
scared,

Because people notice when a condom breaks. A condom protects up until the time of it breaking and usually the time frame after the break is very short. Go read my first post to you again and go read reply #69 in this thread too.

I'm still fully expecting you to test negative.

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« Reply #79 on: August 26, 2006, 12:02:39 AM »
HIV isn't all that different from any other virus in the sense that, you don't automatically get infected if you are exposed to it.  "Iamecoli" was quoted as being "low risk" and he had sex without a condom whatsoever.  It's all relative really.  Things such as exposure length, times exposed, IF the other party was even positive in the first place, fluids present, and presense of other STDs all play an important role in transmission.  Odds can be reassuring, of course.............but someone always wins the lottery right?  HIV is one winning ticket you don't want however.  You had a condom break.........pulled out shortly after.  First off, the majority of people in this country are NOT HIV positive.  If you randomly selected 10 people, and had sex with each of them, chances are none would be positive.  You had sex with one, and you dont know her status.  If she doesnt have HIV, then this whole argument is irrelevant, you couldnt of gotten it.  Chances are outstanding that she doesnt.  Now.....lets say, she HAPPENS to have HIV.  You odds are still low........because A. you were the insertive partner, your peehole does not have a big opening for it to enter, B. you have no other STDS, C. it was brief....how much fluid could you of come in contact with????  Exactly.........now relax

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« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2006, 12:11:12 AM »
 :)  Sometimes logic is best seen from the outside looking in. Thanks everyone.
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« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2006, 06:07:05 AM »
To all,

"HIVsexpert" is nothing of the sort. He is parroting INCORRECT information given out on this forum by another poster. I have corrected the incorrect advice in the thread in question.

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« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2006, 03:42:52 AM »
Ann, I just read your post.  You did tell me that my deal was low risk but not a no risk? Am I missing something?

 OH CRAP, I ACCIDENTLY PUT THIS IS HIS THREAD.. SORRY IMEC CAN SOMEONE SHIFT IT>. I SUCK sorry.
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« Reply #83 on: August 27, 2006, 04:36:15 AM »
scared,

I put your post in your own thread, as requested.

There's a big difference between Im's situation and yours. You  used a condom and he didn't. You were protected up until the condom broke. He had no protection whatsoever. That's a huge difference.

I'm fully expecting BOTH of you to test negative because the odds are heavily in your favour, but you both do need to test as you have been told.

You've also been told that the negative results you have received so far are not going to change. You're very nearly out of your window period now and I suggest you stay off the internet and stay productively busy until it's time for your conclusive result.

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« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2006, 08:44:32 PM »
jkinatl2,

I've noticed that some are very much against odd calculations.  Is it inaccurate to calculate odds?  For example, Will I conclusively not die of a heart attack tonight? Well, you can't put conclusive on that but the odds are very very heavy against it.  With HIV, obviously everyone knows that Doc HHH puts his assement in odds.  ie:

Odds of someone having HIV:
1/1000 or .001
Odds of getting HIV if they were +
1/1000 or .001
Odds of testing at 4-6 weeks being 95% accurate = 5 in 100 or .05

Calculated total risk = .001 x .001 x .05 =  .00000005 or 5 chances in 100,000,000 or 1 in 20 mil. 

I ask you because some seem to be into the science of HIV.  Some support calculated risks but for others they are very much angainst it.  I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just seen you say a few times that we (WW)  can't use calculations when it comes to HIV.  I've noticed that even the CDC uses odds.  It would seem that one can not assess ones risk without odds? I think most of us agree that the odds of oral is low, however that statement alone is based on odds not absolutes.

Please don't take this as a jab or insult, you're a good cat, it's more as a compliment as I respect your look into the science of HIV.

BTW, I hope this doesn't bring me bad karma or make people wanting to see me turn positive to prove a point.  It's just that the docs, (HHH) fustration with the WW not being realistic about HIV transmission colides with "testing previous to 12 weeks not being accurate" guidline here.  Both sites are highly respected however it leaves the WW jumping back and forth seeking the truth in it all.

SIDENOTE: My doctor said that The American Red Cross has a 6 week window.. Can anyone confirm or deny?  I couldn't find an literature on it.
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« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2006, 03:41:57 AM »
scared,

Here's the thing with odds/statistics. When you play the hiv odds game and end up hiv positive, the odds don't mean a damn thing. Trust me, it's not a lot of fun being a statistic.

I've never heard of the American Red Cross having any sort of window period. They are not an organisation that does public hiv testing, to my knowledge. They test donated blood, but that is not the same as public testing as donating blood is NOT a way to find out your hiv status.

Now what was I saying to you about staying off hiv internet sites until you've had your conclusive result?

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« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2006, 05:38:35 PM »
Well, I just got the call from my doctor, my 10.5 test was neg.  With my 4, 6, 10.5 I'm calling it conclusive enough for my situation.  I wanted to thank everyone who contributed on my post; Andy, Jkinatl2, Hivworker, Mattythedammed, Morgan,( I hope I didnt miss anyone) and everyone else who contributed ww's included.  I want to especially thank Ann, who I would give a big hug to if she was here, for helping me get through it all. You were right and my symptoms were wrong.  I had a speech planned out and everything.  You're one in a million Ann and I will never forget what you and everyone else did for me here.  I need to take a break from the websites for a while but I'll prob pop in every once in a while to make sure everyones doing good.  I won't post I promise :).  Here's to all of us growing old together.


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« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2006, 10:02:00 PM »
Well, I'm coming out of retirement to retest again.  The 4, 6, 10.5 week test felt good but I still have lingering symptoms..which I wont get into.  Would I still be getting any kind of symptoms this far into the game.  If my calculations are correct it would put me just shy of 5 months which is obviously more than conclusive.  Just getting the nerve to do it again.  My doc wont do it anymore so Im going to have to find somewhere else. 

I guess my questions are: 
Even though symptoms or the lack there of mean nothing, In anyones professional experience with HIV related symptoms do they have a period of hanging around or do most people feel normal after a bout with ARS?  It's been 4 months.


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« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2006, 05:43:39 AM »
scared,

Symptoms, if they happen at all, usually occur between two and four weeks after infection has taken place. They come on all at once and go all at once and usually last for no more than two weeks at most.

However, the bottom line here is that your six week test was unlikely to change, never-mind your ten and a half week negative. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus and more so from a woman to a man, so the odds always were in your favour of testing negative. Collect another negative result if that is what you need to put this behind you.

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2006, 04:45:18 PM »
well, I forced myself to get tested one more time post 13 weeks.. 24 weeks to be exact.  Negative ofcourse.  I finally believe i dont have HIV.  Before I leave this place.. is it considered safe sex if I got rimmed and recieved oral then used protection?  I feel like it is... 

I really never got into my specific symptoms but I guess Ill post them for anyone who feels symptoms = HIV.

Sore fatigued arms,
stomache pains
run down, tired , depression
loose stools
headaches
pimple like dots on my chest and arms
sensitivity to lights
popping joints
stuffed ear ongoing
patch of red dry skin on face thats been around for a while
sore throat or full feeling for 2 months.
what i believed were lymph node swelling under jaw
eppititimis
whitish tounge

I look back and probably attribute most to stress and anxiety.  and maybe overuse of antibiotics.
I did the tests at 4, 6, 10, 24 but if I had to do again I would just have done a 6 and 13.  Thanks everyone and happy holidays.
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« Reply #90 on: September 28, 2009, 10:56:32 PM »
Couple years ago, I had a freak out... Girl on period condom broke.   I tested 4-6-12 1 year. whatever. came back neg on what ever test they use, had gobs of symptoms that I chalked up to IBS triggered by my freak out.  Still have some from time to time.   Since then I pretty much haven't had sex so to speak.  I have engaged in some oral sex.. Maybe a lot of it.  Some with girls I barely knew.  I'll throw the number 20 out there althoug it's probably not that.  Had one case where I got UTI or something but I took care of it.  I saw the cdc had some number of .5 per 10,000?  Does that mean that if I had oral performed on me my risk value increases.  ie .5x10 sessions would equal 5 per 100,000?  I was thinking about testing again I guess but I don't want to go back to where I was back then.  Pretty dark place.  Thanks.

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #91 on: September 29, 2009, 07:48:57 AM »
Scared, I have merged your threads. Please keep all of your entries in this same thread.

You are worrying needlessly about the issue of giving oral to a woman. There has never been a confirmed case of transmission in this manner. Nor to a guy receiving oral. You won't make history by becoming the first. Your saliva contains over a dozen elements and proteins which provide very effective barriers against the transmission of viable HIV. What the CDC numbers are about are guestimates and theoretical risk since anytime you have sex with anything other than your own hand there is theoretically some risk.

In the real world of HIV we know that sexual transmission of HIV is about unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse.

Before you get on to another extended unwarranted worry ride as you have in the past, I'll tell you that we won't indulge you in that again. You have no cause for concern about HIV at this time.
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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2009, 07:57:33 AM »
scared,

Getting a blowjob is also not a risk for hiv infection. The number the CDC uses has no basis in scientific reality. The study which started throwing those numbers around pretty much pulled them out of a hat. Why does the CDC use them? Who knows. That study has been discredited.

Not one person has ever been infected with hiv through getting a blowjob and you certainly won't be the first. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

It doesn't matter that you had a UTI or two. UTIs are caused by bacteria, not hiv.

As Andy said, we will not indulge you like we did a few years ago. You didn't have a risk in anything you brought to us and if you insist on going on and on about it, you'll quickly be given a time out.

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« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2009, 12:07:17 AM »
I wanted to share this and I hope they don't delete it.  I think at times people including myself come on here and group everything we may (or may not have) with HIV.  I was so focused on HIV that the REAL issue was being blocked by me convinced I had HIV.  Often times I've seen the moderators explain that whatever someone's problems are, they aren't HIV related.  In my case, they were correct.  I hope they let this post stand as I believe it may help some people.

This is a long read, but it may help someone here.

Frustration:
I had the misfortune of losing my mom to cancer a few weeks ago.  My moms passing was obviously hard on us but to me it left me more frustrated.  Everyone was confused with how her disease came on so fast and her doctors really never could come to grips on what kind of cancer she had, which ended up being a stomach/intestinal cancer.  My mom's life was normal for the most part, she was a very motivated, self reliant individual.  However, there were medical things in her past that were not so normal. She often had serious migranes, she was very thin most of her life, she would have long sleep bouts, especially after a night of drinking in her hay day after the races.  She would also have an occasional fever blister and she had a historectomy at the age of 45.  I always attributed this to her off and on smoking, even after her cancer diagnosis. 

Growing up:
I was a typical kid.  I played baseball, soccer, rode BMX and skated.  Later I got into wakeboarding and fell into my longtime family pastime of autoracing.   Through all this I had some wierd issues in my life that I never really understood.  Going into HS, I looked like a 6th grader.  I often got headaches and felt like I had low blood sugar at times.  I would also find my self out of it.  School work was a challenge as I felt like I had to work 4 times harder than everyone just to understand the basics.  Later in my life, things panned out but I would still have this feeling of being out of it at times and would get serious stomach issues from time to time. My blood pressure was up and I started getting heart palutations and chest pains.  Over the last few years I started working out and avoiding fast food.  I stopped drinking coke and moved to drinking water "most of the time."  While this might have helped, it didn't fix my issues.  I was eating Subway everyday, skipping the mayo on everything I was eating.  At work, there were times my co-workers would be talking to me later in my shift and I just couldn't focus on everything they were telling me.  I chalked it up to just being tired.  My doctor said its nothing more than IBS so I just delt with it.  There are countless times I can remember getting into my race car a complete zombie.  I'm thankful I never hurt anyone including myself.  How I finished some of those nights is beyond me.  Often times peope would tell me I looked tired or even on drugs.  I just thought they were seeing things and I attributed most of it to CO2 poisoning.  Over the last year, I got a serious bout of Phenomonia, which I made worse but not taking time off from work or racing.  I ended up in the ER with what I thought was food poisoning and had a round of pretty bad headaches.  I had convinced myself I had HIV despite countless negative tests and moderators on message boards and doctors telling me HIV was not my issue.  My doc said, your probably stressed about your moms deal and have IBS. (Irritated Bowel Syndrome)

Sunnie:
When we had Sunnie, she was healthy but had a few red flags that were just.. well wierd.  She was very skinny, my mom always accused us of not feeding her.  She had this bot belly which we thought nothing of.  She had cronic diarea when we first got her onto food.  Under her eyes she looked anemic at times.  She would often times wake up in the morning of a stomach ache.  We would usually tell her it was just because she hadn't eaten breakfast.  After breakfast she would usually start to feel better.  Her attention span reminded me of me when I was a kid.  Short.  Aside from all that she was/is a perfect little 6 year old.  Very kind to people, very thoughtful and her teachers love her. And of course, she loves racing.

Research:
After doing a few weeks of research, I came across something that started to put all the pieces together.  Celiac disease. This is a common disease in the US.  Up to 1/100 people have it.  The scary thing is out of all those people that do have it only 3% of people know they have it.  Left untreated these people pick up things like, cancers, high blood pressure, diabetees, arthritis, heart disease, bone degeneration and the list goes on and on.  Usually, these people never really understand why they get these diseases other than they just do. 

What is Celiac disease?:
Celiac disease is where your immune system attack your intestins when you eat gluten.  Gluten is found in everything from breads, cookies, beer, and just about everything else you can imagine.  Your intestins make up around 75% of your immune system.  Over time your intestins become unable to absorb nutrients and vitamins which cause defiencies which lead to more sever complications.  Many people have no symptoms of the disease until later in life.

Why isn't this screened?:
In Europe all children are screened at the age of 6.  In the US no kids are screened.  It's one of the most undiagnosed diseases in the states.  I litterally had to ask for it both for Sunnie and myself.  My moms doctors, which included one UCLA's best never even thought of the idea she could have Celiac until after her death when I mentioned it to them.  The disease is genetic, meaning if your parrents had it there is a strong possibility that you may have it.  The main reason it isn't screened in the US is because the drug manifactures rule the medical establishement here.  The fix for Celiac disease isn't a pill.  It's a strict adhearance to avoiding gluten.  Good news is, once someone fixes their diet, the symptoms and disease starts to correct itself.  Caught at an early age obviously has the best outcome.  The intestins have the ability to repair themselves between 6 months to a couple years depending on how long the damage has happened with a strict adhearance to this dietary change.  In the U.S. most Celiac cases (which are rarely caught) are diagnosed between the ages of 40-60 years of age. The average time that it takes for someone to realize their Celiac disease is roughly 10 years.

Sad and happy:
We just had Sunnie tested and her test came back positive for Celiac.  In some ways I was sad but mostly happy that we may have saved her life and given her the chance to live a normal childhood.  As far as my mom, I wish I would have known more about this disease a few years ago.  I may have saved her life. I still have dreams/nightmares that I'm back in time informing her on Celiac disease.   IMO, I think every child should be screened for this as well as every American.  The amount of money my mom racked up in her short bout probably went over the million mark.  This could have been avoided to some degree with propper screening. 

Anyway, I know this was long winded and there are probably a select few that will read the whole message but if it saves someones life then it was time well spent.

Cheers, Billy.

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Re: well, im back.. that didnt take long..
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2009, 08:27:58 AM »
Billy, although I appreciate your concern about this issue, this is an HIV-specific website. Posting about other issues, however serious they are, is not appropriate.

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