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Author Topic: Need help understanding what needs to happen for America in World Cup...  (Read 1751 times)

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Offline Cliff

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Right now I know we are in last place in our division.  BUT....if the Czech Republic loses to Italy and we beat Ghana, does that mean we will advance as the 2nd spot in our group?

Under that scenario, Italy clearly is tops from our group, but that would give us 1 win, 1 draw and 1 loss to Ghana's and Czech Republics 1 win and 2 losses.

Offline Val

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Cliff,
The U.S. has to win its last match and preferably by at least two goals difference.  It cannot afford a draw.  Just like on group F, of France, pretty much anything can happen!  Usually, it is the goal average that decides who's second in such circunstances, given that Italy is bound (really?) to finish first.  But, then again even that is not a certainty yet... The Czechs  are indeed capable of beating  the Italians! And the truth is that with only four points, the Italians are far from being assured the supremacy of the group.
In that case scenario (the Czechs winning), the Czechs  would finish  with six points, Italy with four points  and the U.S., provided it beats Ghana, four points as well.  The goal average, then, would decide who's second.  And since  the U.S. is doing poorly regarding the goal average up to now, it has to beat Ghana by at least two goals difference!
Now, suppose Italy and the U.S. win their respectives matchs,  then  we have the following situation: Italy finishes up with seven points and the U.S., four points, Ghana and the Czech, three points each.
I'd say Bruce Arena had better get his boys playing aggressively against the Africans, or else it will be good bye!
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Offline Robert

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CLiff.

I'm not sure if I know the answer but this is what I heard over the weekend.  Assuming Italy defeats the Czechs by one goal, then the US must win by more than 1 goal over Ghana.  For this reason both games (Italy v. Czechs and US v. Ghana) will be played at the same time.  If the US went into its game knowing how many goals it would need to score to go onto the next round, it would give them an unfair advantage.  That makes sense to me but I'm not sure it answers your question.

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Offline Ann

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hehehehehe....

I can't help but think of all that wasted gasoline used by all those soccer moms in their SUVs.

Just had to say that! :D

Ann
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Offline ronaldinho

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And in case the US qualifies  in the second place of this group, it will face Brazil in the next round. I hope the US qualifies.

Offline alisenjafi

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Let's face it when Brazil wins -we all win!  At the last World Cup I started in a bar on 4th and Lafayette and by 12 that afternoon ended up with two hunks from Sao Paolo.  Brazil is the only team that when they win the world is one big celebration.

When other South American teams win the smaller matches the people drive around annoyingly honking their horns and disregarding all rules of the road.  If the French win you can hit the 60's on the East side where there is a large group of French restaurants- much like fete national. I'd don't think any other group has enough places in NY to hold any celebration except the Irish who didn't make it. Green Point in Brooklyn hasn't the Polish population it once had. And Little Italy is a farce.

And if the Americans should win - which eventually will happen due to the large population of immigrants from footbal playing countries -it will just be lost. I doubt they would even get the ticker tape parade that the Mets or Yankees have gotten.

Having many Brit friends I do kind of hope for England as they been going on about "66 for what seems like forever. On an interesting note the terrestrial station ABC has been showing games on Saturday. before this there was almost no coverage at of at anything but women's soccer. I felt the big 3 (baseball, football,and basketball) had something to do with this. Since the hockey strike totally ruined the sport and the amount of money that can be generated from soccer , it has finally gotten out of the shadows here .All any one needs to do is go to Flushing Meadows in Queens ( home to Tennis) on a week end and see the hundreds of guys playing  fotbol!
 
I don't care how fat Renaldo got, the Brazilian fan base is the hottest and the horniest- we all win!

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Offline Ann

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Maybe if the USA started calling the "Beautiful Game" by its proper name - FOOTBALL - it might help. :D

Soccer indeed!

Ann
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Offline fearless

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Cliff,

This is my understanding. You need to win, a draw is not good enough for you as then you will be on 2 points and last in the group no matter what happens to anyone else.
If Italy beats the Czech Republic and you beat Ghana you will be through as Italy will have 7 points and the US second on 4 points.
If the Czech Republic beats Italy and you beat Ghana you will be tied with Italy on 4 points and it will come down to goal difference. Currently Italy has a goal difference of +2 (ie they have scored 2 more goals then they have conceded) and the USA is on a goal difference of -3 (ie the US has scored 3 less goals than it has conceded). Basically you need to beat Ghana by at least 3 goals and hope that Italy loses by more than 2 goals. If you win by 3 and they lose by 2 you will both have a 0 goal difference and I think they team that has scored the most goals goes through, if that is the same it probably comes down to the number of fouls or something ridiculous like that.
If the US loses against Ghana then you are out and on your way home.

In Australia's case, if we beat Croatia we will go through. If we draw with Croatia we will go through provided that Japan does not beat Brazil by more than 2 goals.

Stephen
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