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Offline bimazek

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Top ten worse things a person can do for health  if HIV, what are they?

Please list your experience and observations of others and such....

I was told last night by a guy who works in biggest hiv clinic

alcohol is killing more pos people
drugs
crystal
bad eating habits and smoking too much cigaretes
combination of drugs and alcohol and
not taking meds
not finding out person is poz till very very late
not sleeping regularly
not exercising and gaining huge weight and having heart problems

etc?????

what are your thoughts

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you forgot stress

Offline puertorico2006

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#2 & #3 are too related

but id guess stress also....
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I think we should clarify what alcohol does in great doses, for those that don't already know. It competes for liver destruction with your meds. I have not found any study that it interacts with the meds or makes them not work. However heavy drinking is proven to suppress your immune system and cause many other health problems.

My doctor said that the biggest problem she sees with alcohol/drug abuse is adherence and eventually drug resistance. I asked her this when I was inquiring about what the average stint with sustiva and truvada would be.

She said that in her experience, it was rare to develop resistance to meds with high adherence, but that it does happen. She told me that following the regimen guidelines I would be on this combo for many many years, whatever that means. She could not give me a number. She also cautioned me strongly about reinfection for the same reason, drug resistance. I know that there are people who still don't believe this, but why take the chance?

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#2 & #3 are too related

but id guess stress also....

Guys: I would have added stress too...except I no longer believe stress to have a major effect on my my physical health (serenity certainly has mental advantages). What happened is I lived through the most stressful period of my life, 2-3 years straight. I was miserable. I cried many times daily for well over one year.

So guess what obvious effect on my numbers? Zilch. In fact I had some of the best numbers, including notable improvements during some of the worst periods. It seemed counterintuitive? Anyone else seen this (non-) phenomenon?    8)  -megasept

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Guys: I would have added stress too...except I no longer believe stress to have a major effect on my my physical health (serenity certainly has mental advantages). What happened is I lived through the most stressful period of my life, 2-3 years straight. I was miserable. I cried many times daily for well over one year.

So guess what obvious effect on my numbers? Zilch. In fact I had some of the best numbers, including notable improvements during some of the worst periods. It seemed counterintuitive? Anyone else seen this (non-) phenomenon?    8)  -megasept

Hi Meg. To me it does seem counterintuitive  :-\  I've never heard of stress being a good thing for anyone. Are you a type A personality or something? Like skydiving and bunjee jumping and all that thrill-seeking stuff?  ??? I guess for some people, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. I don't know  :-\

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Guys: I would have added stress too...except I no longer believe stress to have a major effect on my my physical health (serenity certainly has mental advantages). What happened is I lived through the most stressful period of my life, 2-3 years straight. I was miserable. I cried many times daily for well over one year.

So guess what obvious effect on my numbers? Zilch. In fact I had some of the best numbers, including notable improvements during some of the worst periods. It seemed counterintuitive? Anyone else seen this (non-) phenomenon?    8)  -megasept

Yes, same thing happened to me.  There are exceptions to everything I guess.

My situation wasn't just high-stress, it was like 3 separate high stress situations either concurrently or one after the other over a period of three entire years NON-STOP.
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Handling cat poop should be somewhere in the top 25 I guess. I still remember when I first read this and I looked at my cat and then my wife and just couldn't believe how cruel HIV could be. Not that I enjoy handling cat poop but I do enjoy taking care of my cat. My wife now handles the cat poop duties for me.

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I have been under a lot of stress lately,  but maybe it wasn't a bad emotional crisis type stress but a new job anxiety.  Anyway i seem to be doing okay so i guess a little stress is good,  but too much is just too much.  I bet that sounds kind of dumb,  but i guess we all need breaks from stress from time to time.

As for the alcohol thing,  would you say that too much alcohol over time is worse on the liver or too much at one particular time?  I ask because i don't drink period except the occasional Saturday night.  I know a lot of my friends are like this as well.  In the past we have had a tendency to overdo it on that occasionally Saturday night,  once a month or so.  You can sure feel it the next day too.  But how does that compare to someone who drinks moderately everyday over time? 
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2007, 08:46:38 PM »
Handling cat poop should be somewhere in the top 25 I guess. I still remember when I first read this and I looked at my cat and then my wife and just couldn't believe how cruel HIV could be. Not that I enjoy handling cat poop but I do enjoy taking care of my cat. My wife now handles the cat poop duties for me.

As far as I know you only need to worry about toxoplasmic encephalitis with a cd4 count <100 -- is that not correct?

I don't have a cat anymore so I really don't care, but I was having just this very conversation with someone on Monday.
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2007, 11:24:50 PM »
Apart from the specific #5 and #7 these seem like things that any 'healthy' person should avoid too.
I have personally found that since being on meds alcohol affects me more, I have horrible diaorrhea and am wiped out for 24 hours if I drink more than a couple of glasses of wine now, and get pissed much more quickly, which can't be good for my immune sysem
What about secondary infections/different HIV strains?
Is it a myth you can get two different types?
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2007, 11:28:58 PM »
Boring poll to me

I don't know what's wrong for me to do, I have the same routine every day. HIv hasn't changed anything for me, except for sex. Your poll is about "worse things a person can do for health if HIV" I haven't changed anything in my dayly routine because I became HIV.
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2007, 12:22:38 AM »
I feel like I've changed and yet given up so much of my life because of HIV.  Granted, some of the things I did were bad even for normal health reasons, but I guess it's just the thought of feeling deprived.  I quit smoking.  I quit drinking.  I quit drinking soda. 

The question regarding stress though, is what does one do when your job, basically your only income, is high stress.  I've been searching for another job but financial a less paying job in florida means nothing.  I have to live, pay for meds, rent, etc ... so what does one do?

HIV has been more a pain in the azz for me and I can only thank my ex that was using meth and provided me with a gift that I would love to return!

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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2007, 01:04:41 AM »
As far as I know you only need to worry about toxoplasmic encephalitis with a cd4 count <100 -- is that not correct?

I don't have a cat anymore so I really don't care, but I was having just this very conversation with someone on Monday.

I'm not sure of that either. ???

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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2007, 02:05:59 AM »
Top ten worse things a person can do for health  if HIV, what are they?

Please list your experience and observations of others and such....

I was told last night by a guy who works in biggest hiv clinic

alcohol is killing more pos people
drugs
crystal
bad eating habits and smoking too much cigaretecombination of drugs and alcohol and
not taking meds
not finding out person is poz till very very late
not sleeping regularly
not exercising and gaining huge weight and having heart problems

etc?????

what are your thoughts



My own experience is theres to much to worry about despite having HIV. You have to enjoy you're life while making some life changes.

Diet is important certain recreational drugs can interfere or wreak havoc on you're system. Drinking can in fact make you're liver worse off by the time you take meds especially if you drink excessively. Meaning that If you don't need meds for 8 yrs or so after POZ. The meds will do a double whammy on you're liver especially if you keep drinking enough. Meh....sleep you should get some but you're not always going to get enough but I dont believe it will kill you're immune system unless extreme insomnia is going on. Smoking yeah very popular among us Poz's but bad for the Immune system also increases risk for PCP, Lung cancer by just being HIV+ alone w/o the smoking. etc. etc...

Basically I have to live but know my priorities and seeing the doc regurlary s important some form of aerobic exercise during the week, and not getting so obsessed with different vitamin/mineral claims that increase health while Poz. I have to keep it simple and stick with my multi vitamins, and eat somewhat decent. etc..etc... 

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2007, 02:24:28 AM »
I have been under a lot of stress lately,  but maybe it wasn't a bad emotional crisis type stress but a new job anxiety.  Anyway i seem to be doing okay so i guess a little stress is good,  but too much is just too much.  I bet that sounds kind of dumb,  but i guess we all need breaks from stress from time to time.

As for the alcohol thing,  would you say that too much alcohol over time is worse on the liver or too much at one particular time?  I ask because i don't drink period except the occasional Saturday night.  I know a lot of my friends are like this as well.  In the past we have had a tendency to overdo it on that occasionally Saturday night,  once a month or so.  You can sure feel it the next day too.  But how does that compare to someone who drinks moderately everyday over time? 


Alcohol over long periods of time can damage you're liver how much you ask? I don't know. I asked my social worker if I can drink at all without risk, and she said it was up to me. a couple of years later I heard there was an increase of people in need of a liver transplant due to past drinking habits and taking HIV meds.

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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2007, 02:41:12 AM »
I'm not sure of that either. ???

I think that is correct.  Like you, when I was diagnosed my cd4's were quite low and I had two cats, so my roommate got saddled with the Poop Patrol.  Once my numbers rose I still just stayed away from it, but a cursory search shows what my friend told me this week is correct unless someone here knows more about this.

Anyway, ask your doctor since you still have a cat.
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2007, 02:52:51 AM »
May I add not finding help when you really need it or too much, not having enough sex or too much, not having love in your life or too much, and not looking both sides of the road before crossing the street or too much.
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2007, 09:27:15 AM »
Well, I can tell what HAS NOT had any effect on my Uncle's health (though I admit each person is different):


1.  Horrible diet
2.  Maybe 3-4 hours sleep a night
3.  Depression
4.  Stress
5.  Addicted to Oxycontin
6.  Lethargic lifestyle

Uh...pretty much the opposite of common sense!


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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2007, 10:28:59 AM »
Stress is the number one problem.  People have to come up with strategies on how they handle stress.  Unfortunately, some people resort to alcohol, drugs, or food to escape it and that creates opportunities for more stress.  Exercise tends to lower ones stress whether it is walking or going to the gym.  Finding an nondestructive outlet is key to handling stress.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2007, 11:34:34 AM »
Someone mentioned having a significant other in their life.  Personally my health has always been better when I'm single... *SO* much less stress!

I'm not easy to date, or so I've repeatedly been told, so when I have a relationship it always ends up a continual roller coaster of eternal drama.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2007, 03:34:07 PM »
All those things are things that no one should do if they are overly concerned about their health, of course, I think you should add high risk sexual activity.

Me, I believe in all things in moderation except street drugs.  Three or less drinks a day of alcohol is not really going to do any harm.  I do smoke too much but I do have a 2-3 glasses of red wine every night, I think the health benefits (including mental health) outweigh the bad things.....but maybe I am rationalizing....
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Re: Top ten worse things a person can do for health if HIV, what are they?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2007, 06:25:06 AM »
the same things that are bad if you dont have HIV. Most here will not die from HIV.

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2007, 10:32:36 AM »
the same things that are bad if you dont have HIV. Most here will not die from HIV.
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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2007, 12:03:40 PM »
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Does going home with 2 trannies in vegas count?

Maybe, if the were alcoholics smoking meth on a 72-hour binge and you met them in the drive-through at Burger King  ;D

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2007, 12:09:32 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2007, 03:41:41 PM »
Top ten worse things a person can do for health  if HIV, what are they?

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2007, 01:12:48 PM »
Forgot to add number 11-- Rebulicans :)

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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2007, 11:10:53 PM »
Hi Meg. To me it does seem counterintuitive  :-\  I've never heard of stress being a good thing for anyone. Are you a type A personality or something? Like skydiving and bungee jumping and all that thrill-seeking stuff?  ??? I guess for some people, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. I don't know  :-\

"Stress a good thing?" Never considered that. Maybe a "challenge" is stress in disguise.

I've have been accused of being a Type A...But I prefer "or something".    ;)

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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2007, 01:32:51 AM »
All those things are things that no one should do if they are overly concerned about their health, of course, I think you should add high risk sexual activity.
May I add not finding help when you really need it or too much, not having enough sex or too much, not having love in your life or too much, and not looking both sides of the road before crossing the street or too much.


Too much sex? High risk sex? High risk for what?

STDs are a terrible thing. I know, I've had them all. But I got them treated and they went away. Frankly, the treatments were worse than the infections.

But could someone pleae enlighten me on how much sex constitutes too much sex? Is once per day too much? Is the opinion based on the number ejaculations, hours logged in action or number of partners? How is this quantified?

Reproduction is probably the most basic of instincts. Analbabies notwithstanding, sex is just our acting out of this most essential of instincts. Putting artificial limits or setting "reasonable" guidelines proscribing certain acts or their frequency just seems...unnatural, and unhealthy to boot.

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