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Offline northernguy

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HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« on: March 11, 2007, 03:03:03 PM »
So the local paper had a section talking about the risk in our every day lives.  IE Risk of being a victim of violent crime, being in a plane crash, dying of various causes.  The chance of dying from HIV was 1 in 451. 

What shocked me was the average at death from HIV was 45.3 years old! 

The stats didn't give the source of the stats, and I guess if these go back to the beginning of the epidemic that might explain the low figure.  But at 42.3 years myself, I found this pretty sobering :(
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Offline ScooterTrash

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 03:06:48 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2007, 12:45:27 AM by ScooterTrash »

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 03:08:07 PM »
Newspapers and statistics - not the best combination. I read an interesting Danish study that shows that a 25 yo man, diagnosed in 2006 (in Denmark) could expect to live almost 40 years, providing they don't get Hepatits C. That's still worse than diabetes, but a shed load better than 10 years ago.

How is this 42.3 years supposed to read? Doesn't it rather depend on how old you are when you get infected?! I could understand it if it was the average age of death of people with HIV, averaged over the whole of the epidemic, like you suggested.

Anyway, I choose to put my faith in the Danish study - it was pretty good. And it's based on therapy now, not in 10 years' time, when it will be soooo much better.

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26/1/06 - 860 (22%), VL > 500,000
24/4/06 - 820 (24.6%), VL 158,000
13/7/06 - 840 (22%), VL 268,000
1/11/06 - 680 (21%), VL 93,100
29/1/07 - 1,020 (27.5%), VL 46,500
15/5/07 - 1,140 (22.8%), VL not done.
13/10/07 - 759 (23.2%), VL 170,000
6/11/07 - 630 (25%), VL 19,324
14/1/08 - 650 (21%), VL 16,192
15/4/08 - 590 (21%), VL 40, 832

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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2007, 03:25:41 PM »
Score.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2007, 03:27:56 PM »
Thanks for posting these. Very interesting, although slightly overwhelming!

But as far as I can see, none of this data links death rates to date of diagnosis, which might give some idea of life expectancy. For example, table one just shows new diagnoses in each age group over a number of years.

Even the tables in section 4, that show survival categories after an AIDS diagnosis give no information as to when that person was infected, and how long they lived with HIV before developing AIDS.

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24/4/06 - 820 (24.6%), VL 158,000
13/7/06 - 840 (22%), VL 268,000
1/11/06 - 680 (21%), VL 93,100
29/1/07 - 1,020 (27.5%), VL 46,500
15/5/07 - 1,140 (22.8%), VL not done.
13/10/07 - 759 (23.2%), VL 170,000
6/11/07 - 630 (25%), VL 19,324
14/1/08 - 650 (21%), VL 16,192
15/4/08 - 590 (21%), VL 40, 832

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2007, 03:28:28 PM »
Oh, gosh! I'll be 44 this November! I'd better start getting in deep debt borrowing money from banks and never pay because I'll die and won't give a crap if my credit is damaged after that! I'll eat and travel in luxury from now on. While I do this I'll start having affairs based on sex only and become very unfaithful to my partner and enjoy each _uck because I'm going to be _ucked anyways! I'll stop taking my meds and get that holiday from meds that I've always desired but with a vl of 345 by the time I reach 45.3 it may reach only to 1000 but I'm dying anyways, right? Wow, there are so many naughty and pleasurable things I wanna do that I have too many in my mind to write down!  :o

PS(The past message is all joking! ;D I don't believe in any statistics  because they are just like those movie critics. Sometimes they say a movie is terrible, but when we see it, we love it!)  I don't expect to die from hiv related complications at least until I'm over 50. Yea, right. I said that 21 years ago so I still got about 7 years to go... ;)
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 03:43:43 PM »
Another example of a meaningless statisic. All this says is that if you consider those people who have died from HIV complications, their average age at death was 45.3 years. It doesn't mean that the average person with HIV will live to be only 45.3 years.

Think of it this way. Say the average age at death of people in fatal car accidents is 45.3. This statistic says nothing about the chances of someone dying in a car accident.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2007, 03:49:02 PM »
Statistics:
More than half a million people diagnosed with AIDS have died in the USA. Some 69% of these people did not live to the age of 45.

In 2005, the age group 35-44 years accounted for an estimated 33% of HIV diagnoses, 39% of AIDS diagnoses, and 41% of deaths of people diagnosed with AIDS. The estimated number of children (under 13) diagnosed with AIDS in 2005 was 58.

When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested.

http://www.avert.org/usastata.htm



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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2007, 03:54:03 PM »
Here we go again with the statistics.

I was told 15 years then 20 years then 22.5 years then 35-40 years then Normal lifespan, now I have 20 years left? I guess I should plan retirement now at the age of 26.
Don't believe everything you read ladies  believe what the majority of people who are currently living with HIV and what the majority of doctors are telling you. Doctors read lots and lots of research articles and tend to make an estimate on the most reliable sources of information. If my doc said normal lifespan minus 6 months or a year, I shall try and focus on that statistic. My first doctor refused to answer my , how long do I have to live question, because she doesn't know. For all we know we can dies in 10 years after infection or 35 years after infection. I am actually glad there is no specific number, I guess I will be surprised.
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Offline aupointillimite

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2007, 03:55:39 PM »
So, who wants to put up the fake headline?

"Proverbial Bus Makes Statistical Point About HIV/AIDS Lifespan Moot"
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2007, 04:00:41 PM »
What does the .3 in 45.3 years stand for?? How can a year be represented in tenths? Thats nuts!

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2007, 04:02:22 PM »
Here we go again with the statistics.  quote Ihave
.....................
Well, exactly.  And Ihave, maybe now you understand why Tim (Moffie) posted the thread about making your movie and starring in it. What he was saying was...go out and live your life... for gods sake.
I dont think reading statistics will get us anywhere.  Statistics do not tell the whole story.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2007, 04:10:29 PM »
I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?  ;D 
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jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2007, 04:14:32 PM »
I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?  ;D 

What if all that happens while you're reading the article?

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2007, 04:18:15 PM »
I'm in san diego, so hail won't happen :o Everything else could! A strong earthquake could generate a tsunami that throws a shark in my living room, you never know!
mid-dec: stupid ass
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mid-feb: poz
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may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
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Offline Ihavehope

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2007, 04:24:43 PM »
So Should i stand in front of the bus when I turn 45.3 years old to beat death? Or just wait for death to come after me?  I usually like to be in control of things that is why I am asling. Suggestions please
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2007, 04:28:03 PM »
Ihave...
suggestion: stop reading statistics and go out and get some dick. IMHO

oh...and use condoms!  Chocolate flavor?  or whatever flavor you like.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 04:31:13 PM »
Ihave...
suggestion: stop reading statistics and go out and get some dick. IMHO

oh...and use condoms!  Chocolate flavor?  or whatever flavor you like.


To be fair, no matter what flavor they start out with, dont they ALL end up?

Nevermind. I sorta grossed myself out here :)

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Offline Ihavehope

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2007, 04:35:03 PM »

To be fair, no matter what flavor they start out with, dont they ALL end up?

Nevermind. I sorta grossed myself out here :)



Oh Johnny why bring us such a graphic scene in our heads, Shame on you, lolz.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2007, 04:36:11 PM »
I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?  ;D 

It's got a lot of those:
1 in 255 chance of a Canadian dying from poisoning.
1 in 11,903 from dying in a landslide or avalanche.
1 in 75,388 of dying from a bee, wasp or hornet sting.
1 in 4 chance of a structurally damaging earthquake hitting my city in the next 50 years :o

I should have clarified, my point wasn't so mcuh to say we're all gonna die at 45.3 years,  but to point out how many who have gone before us died to young.  The other major diseases had much higher avg age at death: lung cancer (70.2), breast cancer (68.6) etc.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2007, 04:39:55 PM »
Ihave...
suggestion: stop reading statistics and go out and get some dick. IMHO

oh...and use condoms!  Chocolate flavor?  or whatever flavor you like.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2007, 04:40:16 PM »

To be fair, no matter what flavor they start out with, dont they ALL end up?

Nevermind. I sorta grossed myself out here :)

I just threw up into my mouth a little bit.

Tastes like carrots.   :D
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2007, 04:49:12 PM »
If I've been dead for ten years...why the hell am I still working?

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2007, 04:51:13 PM »
How on earth did they come up with the figure of 45.3 years!  21.6 years and counting.......

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2007, 04:57:38 PM »

To be fair, no matter what flavor they start out with, dont they ALL end up?

Nevermind. I sorta grossed myself out here :)



Omigod I just got that! BIG EEP! <insert puking emoticon here>

If I've been dead for ten years...why the hell am I still working?

BINGO! THAT'S the type of post I was waiting for! Thanks Mr Hal the Dachshund! ;)

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2007, 05:05:41 PM »
Well such a figure is at first sight a downbringer.

But the other side of the story is this:

1 In the Netherlands there a a few number of new borns with hiv. Doctors expect these kids (with treatment) to grow up and start families of their own.
2 In the Netherlands of all hiv positives 0,4% - 0,6% die each year of hiv/aids related illnesses. Part of these deaths are people who are resistant to alle available meds and the so called 'too late discoveries'.
3 Last year no one in Niedersachsen died of hiv/aids related illnesses.

We have now for 10 years HAART. So we don't know what will happen in the long run. Still people do die of hiv/aids.
But i have hope and perhaps i should regard this disease as an extra risk factor in live like driving 50.000 miles a year in my car without seat belts (perhaps that's a view that gives me some comfort).

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2007, 05:25:50 PM »
dying is easy, its living that scares me to death. 
>> beating the statistics  and with Hep C   <<      But, none of us are getting out of hear alive, so ?? who cares.
i'd just like to die of something more glamorous.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2007, 05:32:38 PM »
Didn't any of you see Philladelphia or even that shining beacon of AIDS filmography In the Gloaming? We're all going to die radiantly peaceful deaths surrounded by our loved ones after having won court-cases and making peace with hitherto intractably bigotted relatives.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2007, 06:02:06 PM »
AVERAGE DEATH OF A PERSON WHITH HIV 45.3 YRS?
WOW ,WELL I SAY BUY A NEW CAR AND FINANCE FOR 6 YRS!!!!

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2007, 06:06:36 PM »
When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested.

See, that's where statistics may give an 'over all' view of HIV & AIDS, but have little, if anything, to do with an individual.  I haven't been HIV+ for more than 4 years, was diagnosed HIV+ a year ago, and diagnosed with AIDS within 8 months of that (not on any meds during that time).  My numbers were fairly good, so 'statistically', I shouldn't have had any OI's.  Statistically, I shouldn't even be HIV+, based on the demographic statistics in our area (based on age, race, drug use, education, employment), but here I am!

To me, statistics like those dealing with HIV show an 'after the fact' picture, not what to really expect on a person-by-person basis.  And how about that 'statistic' about being more likely to get hit by a bus?  Where the hell did that come from?  I have a bus, so am I more likely to get hit by one?  Actually, I'm probably in less danger than my hubby, as he's the one that directs me when backing it into the driveway.  I'm not denying the usefullness of statistics, but to rely on them on a personal basis just doesn't seem too useful. 

And JK, that chocolate condom thing is just plain nasty (pretty funny, but nasty). 

I think I like Bear's suggestion best:
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suggestion: stop reading statistics and go out and get some dick.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2007, 06:08:07 PM »
Didn't any of you see Philladelphia or even that shining beacon of AIDS filmography In the Gloaming? We're all going to die radiantly peaceful deaths surrounded by our loved ones after having won court-cases and making peace with hitherto intractably bigotted relatives.

MtD

After having won court cases???

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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2007, 06:12:31 PM »
HURRAH! The Damned One has spoken. And his word is binding!

You got it, kid. :-*

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2007, 06:16:31 PM »
1 out of 300 Americans has HIV. One third of them don't know they have it. Do you think the number of Americans infected with HIV will increase by a huge number in the near future?

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2007, 06:20:52 PM »
1 out of 300 Americans has HIV. One third of them don't know they have it. Do you think the number of Americans infected with HIV will increase by a huge number in the near future?

Yes... it already has been... because people are living longer... well, that's only one of the reasons.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2007, 06:24:09 PM »
Ihavehope,

If your figures are correct I think it will increase.
I mean: one third doesn't know, so... probably they were in most of the cases infected by those who don't know...

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2007, 07:05:26 PM »
I LOVE THE WAY THIS THREAD IS DEVELOPING! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THOSE WISE ASS ANSWERS! KEEP IT GOING PEOPLE!  :D
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2007, 07:12:24 PM »
I think we should have a Statistical Death Party for every member here who reaches 45.3 years old.

Your cake will have chocolate in it.

Oh, and a quick look at a calculator informs me that .3 years is 109 days 12 hours.

Everyone here above 45.3 years old gets a God Damn It, You're Statistically Taking Years Away From the Rest Of Us Party.

Your cake will have cyanide in it.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2007, 07:15:03 PM »
 :(
I thought we were friends Benj....I guess since I am a LTNP and over 60 I get a saw blade in my cake in case the cyanide dont work?
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2007, 07:17:00 PM »
:(
I thought we were friends Benj....I guess since I am a LTNP and over 60 I get a saw blade in my cake in case the cyanide dont work?

All that, and more!

You get a circular saw and brand new Atlanta boyfriend, too!

Oooooooh!  Doesn't that sound exciting?

And don't use your "science" and your "facts" to try and convince me that you're some sort of exception to the statistics.   ;)
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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2007, 07:22:38 PM »
oooooahhhhhh...do I get to choose the boyfriend?
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2007, 07:23:19 PM »
oooooahhhhhh...do I get to choose the boyfriend?

No.  But he does come with his own meth habit and no hands.   :D
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2007, 07:25:55 PM »
watch out Benj...stumps turn me on!
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2007, 07:27:42 PM »
watch out Benj...stumps turn me on!

Damn.  I have failed.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2007, 07:29:18 PM »
Show me a double amputee meth - head who is ALSO a goatbanger, and, well, then you are free to us alone :) My condom will be ALL chocolatey.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2007, 07:33:37 PM »
Show me a double amputee meth - head who is ALSO a goatbanger, and, well, then you are free to us alone :) My condom will be ALL chocolatey.

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If they were to show me that, we would all sit at the welcome table.  And sing about it.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2007, 07:38:27 PM »
watch out Benj...stumps turn me on!

Oh, bear! That was so gross! I don't know why, but I don't want an image of "fisting" with a stump when I'm in my deathbed in 2.3 years from now! Thats what the statistics say, right? Uh, huh. ;)
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2007, 07:39:24 PM »
Yesterday I received an e-mail of a good friend of mine who just moved back to South Africa, after living two years in amsterdam. She was very happy and told me how great her new apartment was, how cute the surfers were, when she looked out the window she could see them challenging the waves, and she told me I should go very soon to visit her in Cape Town.

Today I received a call from another friend, telling me that he received a call from our South African friend's family. She was driving back to her new apartment when she crashed, we still don't know how, but she died instantly. She was the happiest person on earth, only 24 years old and she wasn't HIV positive.

For respect to her I can't believe in average age to die. She wasn't average, she didn't die like it either. I never considered myself average, and I'm surely will never do.

No matter what you do or what you keep yourself from doing, you won't scape death, and I think the point is to remember to live while we have the opportunity to do so. At leas, that's what my friend Martha would have said to me, yesterday, if she were to know what a few hours later was about to happen to her.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2007, 07:39:49 PM »
Oh, bear! That was so gross! I don't know why, but I don't want an image of "fisting" with a stump when I'm in my deathbed in 2.3 years from now! Thats what the statistics say, right? Uh, huh. ;)

Wouldn't it be called "stumping?"
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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2007, 07:40:27 PM »
I knew Jonathan was a blond...lol
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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2007, 07:45:21 PM »
If I'm 47 am I dead yet?

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2007, 07:49:13 PM »
Wouldn't it be called "stumping?"

Great term for it, Benj. You have invented a new name for a variety of "fisting". Stumping is logical to describe it! :D I still don't want to spend the rest of my 2.3 years trying to see someone doing it with an amputee or much less if the amputee is also a "goatbanger"! Lol. ;)
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2007, 07:54:06 PM »
Great term for it, Benj. You have invented a new name for a variety of "fisting". Stumping is logical to describe it! :D I still don't want to spend the rest of my 2.3 years trying to see someone doing it with an amputee or much less if the amputee is also a "goatbanger"! Lol. ;)

You know what would be an awesome band name?

The Stumpy Goatbangers.
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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2007, 08:30:04 PM »
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I'll start having affairs based on sex only and become very unfaithful to my partner and enjoy each _uck because I'm going to be _ucked anyways!

I'm at the airport!

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2007, 08:39:16 PM »
For someone who has been dead for 4 years now, I feel great!!!!!

This death thing is not bad at all.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2007, 10:50:35 PM »
..Today I received a call from another friend, telling me that he received a call from our South African friend's family. She was driving back to her new apartment when she crashed, we still don't know how, but she died instantly. She was the happiest person on earth, only 24 years old and she wasn't HIV positive...

Sorry to hear of your friend's death.  Certainly a poignant reminder that we never know when our time is up, and to live life to the fullest.

Incidentally, the paper quoted a 1 in 65 chance you'd die in a car accident, which seems pretty high!  The average age of death for that was 41 years.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2007, 12:03:34 AM »
Someone loses their business, finds out they have HIV/Aids, tries to take their own life, and somehow it's so fucking funny that it's carried over to a totally unrelated thread... Glad you guyz are havin fun.


Scooter, i hope that you do not read the threads which upset you, nor the posters you do not like. Life is simply too short, however you dice the odds, to exist in anger or negativity.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2007, 12:12:22 AM »
Scooter, i hope that you do not read the threads which upset you, nor the posters you do not like. Life is simply too short, however you dice the odds, to exist in anger or negativity.

We laugh because we have to, in a world insane.



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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2007, 12:21:13 AM »
Someone loses their business, finds out they have HIV/Aids, tries to take their own life, and somehow it's so fucking funny that it's carried over to a totally unrelated thread... Glad you guyz are havin fun.


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So gallows humor when you participate is funny, except when you then decide it's not?

Just saying.

I really hope you reconsider the whole leaving thing. This place is actually a decent spot to start tackling those demons. It's not easy, and it's not pretty. But its possible.





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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2007, 12:34:04 AM »
Hi,

I have a question.  Wouldn't eat be easier to cut off your feet or do you lose more blood from severed hands?  At least it would make more sense to start with the feet/legs and work your way up cutting off the hands lastly before the arms via falling over on the upturned blade.  This must not have been an improvised, not very well planned out, spur of the moment activity.

I will admit the hands are much more symbolically resonant than the feet and perhaps more crippling.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2007, 12:36:35 AM »
Oh lord, I am so confused, which thread am I in???

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2007, 12:40:30 AM »
You're confused, you're thinking about the chainsaw massacre post

Now if you cut your feet you'd be as bad as if you cut your arms, it's all about blood loss. If you cut your feet it may take few seconds more before you die. Does that help?
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2007, 01:49:39 AM »
Statistics are a funny thing. When they figured the average mean up they might have include the ones that die sooner along with the LTNP.

Let me give an example: If subject A is looking at colleges with the best reputation for making more money on the outside he see's University of SO an SO proclaims its graduates make $68,000 upon entrance in to the work force.

What the statiticians dont tell you is subject J attended the University of So and So and was drafted in to the NBA and makes umpty squat millions a year. His average salary is averaged in with all those other workers that attended the same University and graduated.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2007, 04:11:29 AM »
I think we should have a Statistical Death Party for every member here who reaches 45.3 years old.

Your cake will have chocolate in it.

I think this may be a fitting time to confess something. When I joined AM I lied about my age. I knocked off a decade. I am in fact about to turn 45.3 this week.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2007, 04:14:59 AM »
I think this may be a fitting time to confess something. When I joined AM I lied about my age. I knocked off a decade. I am in fact about to turn 45.3 this week.

POP OPEN THE CHAMPAGNE AND BRING ON THE GATEAU CHOCOLAT BABY!!! ;D

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2007, 04:22:26 AM »
I don't believe that (40 something).  That has to be way off.  Maybe 40 additional years after diagnosis.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2007, 04:50:09 AM »
Benj

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I dont get it
I don't get it
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2007, 04:54:55 AM »
Oh god I better start planning for the final days...

Well I got a while I guess.

Statistics without disclosure of the population, years in question, source, demographics, etc. are ripe for misinterpretation. I'd love to see the source data (with the median, mode, etc. listed) the reporter used for the article so the numbers could be put in the proper context. The mean could include various populations leading to a standard average where, let's say, 5 people died at 60 and and 5 died at 24 and whole range of ages in-between to reach a mean of 44.5 years.

Oh how I love statistics...

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2007, 05:00:37 AM »
Benj

I don't get it
I dont get it
I don't get it

Ditto. ::)

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Now, do you get that??

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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2007, 07:27:34 AM »
CAKE OR DEATH?
Please tell me you get it.

it is, of course, a reference to the wonderous mr izzard..

"There's no Church of England fundamentalism. We can't have Church of England fundamentalism. You know, like they have Islamic fundamentalism. Jihad! … Ah ha … Church of England fundamentalism is impossible because you can't have: "You must have tea and cake with the vicar or you die!" Tea and cake or death! Students with beards, "Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cookbook! Little Red Cookbook!" Ca – you know, 'cause, "Cake or death?" That's a pretty easy question. Everybody – anyone could answer that. "Cake or death?" "Uhh, cake please." "Very well! Give him cake!" "Oh, thanks very much. It's very nice!" "You! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake for me, too, please!" "Very well! Give him cake, too! We're gonna run out of cake at this rate. You! Cake or death?" "Uh, death, please. No, cake! Cake! Cake, sorry. Sorry …" "You said death first, ah-ha, ah-ha, death first!" "Well, I meant cake!" "Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm Church of England! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake please." "Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what'll it be?" "What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please." " - Dressed To Kill

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2007, 08:07:34 AM »
Oh lord, I am so confused, which thread am I in???

Drew, maybe you need to rethink this whole sobriety thing and have a drink. Or a weight of meth. It's all good babe.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2007, 09:28:42 AM »
Ditto. ::)

Desolee Benj...um...je suis seulement une petite cassette...et je ne porte pas les pantalons!

Now, do you get that??

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Can you please translate.. To the American language - Spanish porfavor. Thanks

Oh and English too for the minority in America

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2007, 10:20:57 AM »
Yep, back when I studied statistics at the university, I learned just how skewed and, more often than not, stupid statistics can be.

Aside from the fact I've been dead for four-plus years already. I'm with Jeffery, this dead thing ain't half bad, except they didn't tell me it was fattening!  :o

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2007, 11:12:24 AM »
Matty, I lied about my sobriety, I am high on Atripla right now.  But I have to say I am making extra cash selling it to high school kids as the poor-person's ecstasy... if you mix it with some herbs you get a great product.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2007, 11:51:06 AM »
There are Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

The stuff actuaries use to set insurance rates and so forth.

As off putting as this stuff is, unfortunately there are impacts from statistics that affect our ability to get and be charged for insurance coverage. Also, government policy is also influenced by these statistics.

So while our mortality improves with every new drug approved, and our deeper understanding of how HIV works and How we can manage the diesease, we have stuff that is behind the curve, based in the past, influencing our future benefits and the like.

I've heard it say, and it is very true about HIV treatment and mortality and the what people think about HIV, that "Perception trails reality!", And these statistics are a part of that.

And to add insult to injury, the press now publishes this statistic, further cementing that perception.

All we can do is point it out, and encourage those who generate statistics, be able to explain them, and demand that they be used properly, if at all!
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2007, 01:29:05 PM »
Everyone knows that 78.6% of statistics are made up on the spot, and 99.999% of them are of exaggerated importance and 0.0001% of smart people take full credence in them.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #77 on: March 12, 2007, 02:03:43 PM »
Ditto. ::)

Desolee Benj...um...je suis seulement une petite cassette...et je ne porte pas les pantalons!

Now, do you get that??

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2007, 02:07:11 PM »
it is, of course, a reference to the wonderous mr izzard..

Ahhhhh!

---Melia promptly digs out copy of Mr EI's Dressed To Kill dvd and prepares for evening of giggles---

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La plume de ma tante est pres de la chaise de ma tante...as well you know! ;D

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2007, 02:09:55 PM »
Ahhhhh!

---Melia promptly digs out copy of Mr EI's Dressed To Kill dvd and prepares for evening of giggles---

La plume de ma tante est pres de la chaise de ma tante...as well you know! ;D

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Hello!  Are you the people of Gaul?  Wonderful!  We we are the Romans!  Yes, we are! 

I need to dig out my Izzard too.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2007, 02:18:36 PM »
Hello!  Are you the people of Gaul?  Wonderful!  We we are the Romans!  Yes, we are! 

---drags on unusual smelling ciggie---
Cesar! I think we should change the name to Cesar...cos little yappy type dogs are Roman leaders too!

Oh how we LARRRRFED!!! :D

Do you think we could keep this up all night? (said the actress to the bishop!) ;D

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2007, 02:36:13 PM »
---drags on unusual smelling ciggie---
Cesar! I think we should change the name to Cesar...cos little yappy type dogs are Roman leaders too!

Oh how we LARRRRFED!!! :D

Do you think we could keep this up all night? (said the actress to the bishop!) ;D

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I have had a crush on Mr. Izzard since 1999.

This is a poo shop!  Everything here is made of poo!  I'm not shopping here!  I'm going to Azerbaijan! 

P.S.  This is not hijacking, as it's well known that HIVers have a 1 in 3 chance of making pee pee in the pantaloons from sheer laughter whilst watching Eddie Izzard.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2007, 02:54:29 PM »
P.S.  This is not hijacking, as it's well known that HIVers have a 1 in 3 chance of making pee pee in the pantaloons from sheer laughter whilst watching Eddie Izzard.

Correctus. And laughter (esp of the variety that makes one pee pee in the pantaloons) is well known for its contribution to a long healthy life. Hence ("Joey said 'hence'!"...sorry, different comedy on Melia's Fave List!), where was I? Oh yes...hence...our witticisms may indeed be prolonging and extending certain individuals existence on this here planet. Meaning, fewer folk than before this thread was actally started may in fact be checking out by the age of 45.3. And if that doesn't make sense, then I wouldn't recommend reading the next bit...

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #83 on: March 12, 2007, 02:54:42 PM »
well if it's not a hijack...  ;D

"You stroke a dog, the dog goes, “oooooooo…” and cats go (purring/drilling sound), because they’re drilling, aren’t they? That’s what they’re doing. They’re drilling, they drill for gold! They drill for oil, they drill for anything! Just for the love of drilling! When they’re behind your sofa, they’re just drilling. (mimes drilling) They’ve got goggles on, it’s okay! There’s a compressor over there...Your friends come and say, “I think your cat’s drilling behind your sofa!” “I don’t think so, that’s purring, that noise, isn’t it? Cat, are you drilling?” And the cat hears this, whips off the goggles, (mimes coming from behind the sofa), “No, no… Drilling? No! No, I’m a cat! How would I know how to drill? That’s purring you’re thinking of, purring! Oh, yes, purring! Having a good ole purr back here… no drilling. No, no, okay… “ (mimes putting goggles back on and resuming drilling) Sometimes they drill 40, 50 feet, you know, just for the hell of it..." - Unrepeatable


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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #84 on: March 12, 2007, 03:01:25 PM »
Pavlov never published his cat experiments did he?  He would have been finished!

Day one, rang bell.  Cat fucked off.

Day two, rang bell.  Cat went and answered door.

Day three, rang bell.  Cat said he'd eaten earlier.

Day four, went to ring bell but found that cat had stolen batteries.

Final day, day five.  Went to ring bell with new batteries but cat put paw on bell, so that it only made a "thunk" sound.  Then cat rang own bell!  I... ate... food.



You have no control over your cat! You can’t say to your cat, “Cat, heel! Stay! Wait! Lie down! Roll over!” ‘Cause the cat’s just gonna be sitting there going, “Interesting words… Have you finished?”

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #85 on: March 12, 2007, 03:05:58 PM »
"You stroke a dog, the dog goes, “oooooooo…” and cats go (purring/drilling sound), because they’re drilling, aren’t they? That’s what they’re doing. They’re drilling, they drill for gold! They drill for oil, they drill for anything! Just for the love of drilling! When they’re behind your sofa, they’re just drilling. (mimes drilling) They’ve got goggles on, it’s okay! There’s a compressor over there...Your friends come and say, “I think your cat’s drilling behind your sofa!” “I don’t think so, that’s purring, that noise, isn’t it? Cat, are you drilling?” And the cat hears this, whips off the goggles, (mimes coming from behind the sofa), “No, no… Drilling? No! No, I’m a cat! How would I know how to drill? That’s purring you’re thinking of, purring! Oh, yes, purring! Having a good ole purr back here… no drilling. No, no, okay… “ (mimes putting goggles back on and resuming drilling) Sometimes they drill 40, 50 feet, you know, just for the hell of it..." - Unrepeatable

Pavlov never published his cat experiments did he?  He would have been finished!

Day one, rang bell.  Cat fucked off.

Day two, rang bell.  Cat went and answered door.

Day three, rang bell.  Cat said he'd eaten earlier.

Day four, went to ring bell but found that cat had stolen batteries.

Final day, day five.  Went to ring bell with new batteries but cat put paw on bell, so that it only made a "thunk" sound.  Then cat rang own bell!  I... ate... food.



You have no control over your cat! You can’t say to your cat, “Cat, heel! Stay! Wait! Lie down! Roll over!” ‘Cause the cat’s just gonna be sitting there going, “Interesting words… Have you finished?”

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #86 on: March 12, 2007, 03:07:39 PM »

quite confident for a bloke in a dress, no?  :)

He's an executive transvestite.

And Missy Melia, you're quite right... we're prolonging people's lives here!

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2007, 07:55:46 PM »
It wouldn't be the first time I have had to say "fuck you" to death.... ???  Ironic?
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2007, 10:26:54 PM »
Hmm, well everyone knows the Queen isn't up on stats and such but even to a naive person like myself those stats sound a bit off. I can't take it serious because there's not enough information for me. Like is that suppose to be from what time period? From the time they are are poz to when they're considered having AIDS? Is this if the person is taking medication?

And last week, an accident could've taken me out. Who isn't going to worry about the stats and count her lucky stars. Say what you want, after what I went through last week, I am blessed to still be here.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2007, 10:28:14 PM »
thank god... I only have 4.3 years to go!!!!
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #90 on: March 14, 2007, 10:48:24 PM »
Suppose that out of all the millions of people on this planet who are infected with HIV, exactly one died in the course of a year from HIV. Suppose that one person happened to be 45.3 years old when he died.

Then the average age at death from HIV would be 45.3.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2007, 11:23:23 PM »
Suppose that out of all the millions of people on this planet who are infected with HIV, exactly one died in the course of a year from HIV. Suppose that one person happened to be 45.3 years old when he died.

Then the average age at death from HIV would be 45.3.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2007, 05:10:07 AM »
What shocked me was the average at death from HIV was 45.3 years old!

Well thank God I've never been a conformist, otherwise I would be dead two years ago.  :-*

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2007, 11:16:49 AM »
Yeah, Fuck this topic....it's absolutely serves no point but to feed anxiety.  We have no way of knowing how long anyone has because medical science is always evolving....I refuse to think in terms of "I only have this much time left, so......".   It's ridiculous.  Topics like this really do not help anyone in this forum.  I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel.... :-\ 
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2007, 11:50:26 AM »
I think it's a losing battle trying to explain how totally meaningless this statistic is, and how it says absolutely nothing about life expectancy or the probability of anyone at any age dying from AIDS or of how many years the mythical "average" person may have left.

A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival.

Racingmind is right; this whole topic does nothing but feed anxiety.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2007, 12:10:51 PM »
A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival. .

Thats why I am glad it was not posted in the "I Just tested POZ" forum. The assumption here is that the members who read an post haev gained a bit of perspective. That's one of the reasons I do not post my own personal health situations in the "I Just tested Poz" forum, and why I submit that forum was created.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
Yesterday at my job's cafeteria there was a big black bow on the door, someone had died. When I payed for my breakfast there was a picture with some flowers of the guy who had died. He was the 19 year old boy who made sandwiches here! He died in a car accident the previous afternoon while leaving from work at 4p.m. (apparently fell asleep while driving). I just thought, "My lord, I've been positive for over 20 years and am still alive and healthy. This poor guy was negative and look how he ended up. It was a weird feeling because I outlived his age of death in spite of having hiv... :'(
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2007, 11:12:11 PM »
The only thing any of us know for sure is that one day we die.

Nobody knows when.

ENJOY YOUR LIFE and get this bad mojo out of your head...it is one of many things that don't have a predictable conclusion.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2007, 11:18:37 PM »
I think it's a losing battle trying to explain how totally meaningless this statistic is, and how it says absolutely nothing about life expectancy or the probability of anyone at any age dying from AIDS or of how many years the mythical "average" person may have left.

A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival.

Racingmind is right; this whole topic does nothing but feed anxiety.

Woe is the underinformed member who starts the next "life expectancy and HIV" thread  :D  :D

Where do we keep the tar and feathers??  :D
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #99 on: March 17, 2007, 05:13:52 PM »
Yeah, Fuck this topic....it's absolutely serves no point but to feed anxiety.  We have no way of knowing how long anyone has because medical science is always evolving....I refuse to think in terms of "I only have this much time left, so......".   It's ridiculous.  Topics like this really do not help anyone in this forum.  I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel.... :-\ 

I agree. I hope to see less topics like this here in the future.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #100 on: March 17, 2007, 05:21:08 PM »
I agree. I hope to see less topics like this here in the future.

No offense, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Sometimes its the difficult conversations that need the most exploration.

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« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2007, 05:31:00 PM »
It's got a lot of those:
1 in 255 chance of a Canadian dying from poisoning.

As a smart ass son of a (non-Canadian) father who really is a statistician, let me point out that there is
a 100% chance of a Canadian drying from poisoning. It's how you word it.

Statistics aren't the problem putting the right data together and then making causal connections and other analysis is the next problem. People are always the problem (like Canadians who DON"T die of poisoning yearly (lol)

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #102 on: March 17, 2007, 05:42:31 PM »
No offense, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Sometimes its the difficult conversations that need the most exploration.




Yeah, but I do see this statistical deal as being about the same as that "1 in 1,000 will get HIV this way....1 in 100,000 will get it that way" thing that constantly fuels the fires over in the Am I Infected? forum.  And the whole thing about this kind of breakdown is that it usually side-steps a question like this:

What exactly qualifies as a "death due to HIV / AIDS " ?  Is that KS or MAC or what?  If I get on meds that end up causing liver failure or a heart attack and I croak that way, is that a "death due to HIV / AIDS" or not? 

(This might have been addressed up in the thread before, but I don't feel like reading all the way through right now.  I just wanna chime in cuz I feel like blabbing.  Apologies if this has already been discussed.)
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« Reply #103 on: March 17, 2007, 05:48:00 PM »
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Babbling is ok....in fact what you are saying is important. Statistics are made up of reported deaths.  How many people do you know who have died but the family managed to have cause of death...Cancer or something else put on the death certificate? Huh? Well isnt that where statistics come from...reported deaths?
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« Reply #104 on: March 17, 2007, 05:50:46 PM »
TIm
Babbling is ok....in fact what you are saying is important. Statistics are made up of reported deaths.  How many people do you know who have died but the family managed to have cause of death...Cancer or something else put on the death certificate? Huh? Well isnt that where statistics come from...reported deaths?

Oh, Lordy! Yes!  Absolutely yes!  That thing has happened all over the place where HIV has been involved- nicely swept under the rug because good people don't talk about such things.  So that is indeed a factor.  I was originally calling into question how the medical world regards this kind of untimely demise (though I suspect I already know the answer). 

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« Reply #105 on: March 17, 2007, 07:23:39 PM »
Wow, who knew my little topic would unleash so many comments.  Yes, stats can be twisted anyway you want.  Obviously these reflect the fact that too many people died too young early in the epidemic, not that we all expire at 45.3 years.

It does disturb me that some want to sweep unpleasantries under the rug though.  Yes, its great that many are living full lives with HIV, but let's be honest, that doesn't mean its all sunshine and lollipops.  I think that does newbies a disservice.

At the end of the day, the best stat out of the article was:

Chance that you'll die of something: 1 in 1

So make the most of your time here. :)

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« Reply #106 on: March 17, 2007, 07:39:24 PM »
No offense, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Sometimes its the difficult conversations that need the most exploration.



I understand and I do agree with exploring the topic but it seems that we (the forums) are loaded with this stuff. That's all I was really saying.

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« Reply #107 on: March 17, 2007, 08:30:20 PM »
Those of us who enjoy these topics should feel free to continue creating/discussing them. Those who do not like the topics should feel free to abstain from participating in them. Unpopular topics and threads tend to die an early death :)

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« Reply #108 on: March 17, 2007, 10:24:48 PM »
 :( :P    where will it end?
>>there seems to be a decline in the intelligence genre of "living with" threads. does dumb cure something i was too stupid to learn?  Could it be that stupid is what got alot of folks here?. ah, hence stupid is how we continue to persevere? Hope not.  dumber than most I see a juxtaposition that's causing a slippery slope I';vie already slid down. Careful what y'all say.  ...~jordon
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #109 on: March 17, 2007, 10:47:15 PM »
Ok we talked about it, the next statistics will say 46.2 years do we really have to have 105 posts about this. Statistics which have no explanation on what has been measured have no interest to me.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #110 on: March 17, 2007, 10:47:49 PM »
45 years?


The math says that's 29 years from now. Where do I sign up?

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« Reply #111 on: March 17, 2007, 10:53:35 PM »
Mouse,

you will hopefully one of them that was hiv poz in the early 2000s and will be able to live long enough to see an end to this disease. When you're in your 40s remember us, we fought hard :)

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« Reply #112 on: March 18, 2007, 01:06:21 AM »
Those of us who enjoy these topics should feel free to continue creating/discussing them. Those who do not like the topics should feel free to abstain from participating in them. Unpopular topics and threads tend to die an early death :)



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« Reply #113 on: March 18, 2007, 01:11:10 AM »
What exactly qualifies as a "death due to HIV / AIDS " ?  Is that KS or MAC or what? 

I think so.

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« Reply #114 on: March 18, 2007, 03:06:06 AM »
I guess you can ask the newspaper where it got its source.  I guess I been dead for 2.1 years.
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« Reply #115 on: March 18, 2007, 06:40:58 PM »
As long as there is HIV,  topics like this will appear all the time.  What is important to me is :  statistics do not describe me.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #116 on: March 18, 2007, 07:06:25 PM »
I think it's good to talk about this stuff - all (or at least most) of us think about it. How else can you have an idea of what to plan on in the future? Pension or not? Savings or not? Statistics give us an idea, although it's important to remember as many posts in this thread have pointed out, that they describe the behaviour of a group of people, not individuals.

What I would like to point out again, from my post at the beginning of this thread, was wherever this stat came from it is just plain WRONG in terms of working out how long any of us are likely to live. This is the best study I've read about the subject so far:

Survival of persons with and without HIV infection in Denmark, 1995-2005.
Ann Intern Med. 2007 Jan 16;146(2):87-95.

Basically they matched about 4,000 people with HIV each with about 100 HIV negative people and looked at survival between 1995 and 2005 - a timeframe that covers the start of HAART and its gradual implementation and improvement. Because the study had so many people in it, it was very powerful in looking at mortality over short spaces of time. It showed that survival for HIV positive people improved between 1995 and 2005 and there was marked improvement between early HAART and late HAART. They calculated that a 25 year-old infected in 2005 had another 38.9 years to live (dying at 65 ish), provided they didn't catch HCV.

So mouse - chances are you are going to live for a very long time. Although we still do worse than diabetics, and this study shows that, its only modelling for current therapy - and it can only get better.

Anybody who wants to read the study can PM me, and I'll mail it.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #117 on: March 19, 2007, 01:39:34 AM »

I'm new to this and not on meds yet, and I have to say it did make me feel uncomfortable, I'm 42, didn't make me feel too good to know I  have not long to go, well as long as I get to Europe in September, that was the only thing I told myself i had to do before I go.

But I still hope for longer anyway.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #118 on: March 19, 2007, 08:16:38 AM »
Quote Fosbery: "I'm new to this and not on meds yet, and I have to say it did make me feel uncomfortable, I'm 42,......"
Why would you feel that these statistics apply to you? Its higly likely, since you are not on meds yet, that you will survive well past the "average" age at death. Let me know how life looks in 10 years.  Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #119 on: March 19, 2007, 11:55:59 AM »
I wanna be this old when I die.

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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #120 on: March 19, 2007, 07:33:22 PM »

Basically they matched about 4,000 people with HIV each with about 100 HIV negative people and looked at survival between 1995 and 2005 - a timeframe that covers the start of HAART and its gradual implementation and improvement. Because the study had so many people in it, it was very powerful in looking at mortality over short spaces of time. It showed that survival for HIV positive people improved between 1995 and 2005 and there was marked improvement between early HAART and late HAART. They calculated that a 25 year-old infected in 2005 had another 38.9 years to live (dying at 65 ish), provided they didn't catch HCV.

M.
Now this is more "uplifting" than those other statistics. Now I can "back up" my estimated time of dying to after 50 like I mentioned earlier. That would be at 58.9 for me. Sounds good, but even then I'll still probably be playing with or sharing my pecker...!  ;D


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Re: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years
« Reply #121 on: March 19, 2007, 09:05:21 PM »
OK, I just turned 44 and I have 1.3 years to go. Let's see my B'day was on 1/16 of this year so by 3/16/2008, I will be dead. God, I have to pick out a suit and shoes and a tie and a shirt...get a fake tan...I can't help it....I like to be proactive!!!  ;D
On a serious note, aren't we all dying anyways? Humans are not immortal. We can drop dead right now from a brain aneurysm or heart attack or have an out of control car crash into the room where you are on the computer.
There are so many "variables" to those stats like date of diagnosis, original health of person, drug use and on and on...
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« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2007, 01:26:44 PM »
I am not certain of the origin of the 45.3, but such figures mean very little and do nothing to dissuade my capacity and earnest to take care of myself.
At 50 years of age I stopped the ARV's.  My CD4's are up and VL down.  This is sustainable and at a fraction of the cost of allopathic medicines.

I plan to live a ripe old age without thinking about HIV everday and know and believe there are alternatives to the current regime.

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« Reply #123 on: March 22, 2007, 05:39:41 PM »
 ::)
don't go by numbers dont let nothing bring you down. Emotions inside you will well up and make you ill, Do the best that you can and live life to the full. If you sit there waiting for it and waiting for the dreaded stat figure to come up thats too sad!!!
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« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2007, 05:45:34 PM »
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