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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2007, 04:57:10 PM »
Hi guys,

Well i am no longer worried about having HIV from this encounter. I had a no risk and conclusively tested negative.

I tested at basikly 6 months so the 3/6 month window period isn't even an issue for me. I have been relaxed since my doctor confirmed that an 8 weeks negative test will catch 99% of all infections..so 6 months is an overkill!!

But why do some doctors and HIV specialists still say to test at 6 months? I am only asking this from what i have read in other peoples threads. It seems strange to me that these people specialise in HIV and are still saying this. Why do you think this is..possibly because they are not aware of a 3 month window period and still think that 6 months apply? Thanks for reading, your responses will be appreciated.

Cheers,

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2007, 06:12:52 PM »
any views anyone?

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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2007, 06:28:58 PM »
GTB, we've answered your concerns repeatedly. It's time to call a halt here. You're just trying to find other ways of rephrasing the same doubt-filled questions.

You are HIV negative. Period. End of story.

Get on with your life. If you can't do that then go to see a counselor or other mental health professional to deal with the emotional aspects of this issue.

This is NOT an HIV situation. Really.

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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2007, 07:20:14 PM »
Andy,

I realise deep in my mind that i do not have HIV. But what you must understand is these last 6 months have been a hell of a ride. I really did believe i had HIV, not one doubt in my mind. Finally, i think i am coming to that end of the worry. I think of a lot of people like myself, when the fear of contracting HIV in put in their mind it is very hard to get out even with testing. You see, all this time it hasn't actually been the symptoms of HIV or AIDS that has worried me. It is the thought of not knowing. So i decided once and for all i want to no for sure so i can out this behind me. So i do believe you guys when you say a 3 month test is conclusive but my question is why is almost every other website out there saying 6 months and also why are there people coming on this forum saying that there doctor told them to test at 6 months? Its just conflicting information that i am reading every day to the point where i just cant handle it anymore. At the end of the day, you guys, my doctor, and all my friends (including the girl) have told me i don't have HIV. I keep on asking myself why do i still have the doubt in my mind..is it the symptoms, is it the fear of HIV? I just don't no. I no symptoms mean nothing, but it went from being very scared on the night of the possible exposure to then forgeting it completely for 2 months and then suddenly developing a very bad sore throat for 2 weeks..obviously not going to go into the symptoms. This is why i keep coming back here because i just keep coming up with thoughts. I'm sorry for waisting your time, i shall not do it any more i really really wont..I'm hoping if you reply you can try and give me some sort of reassurance if not, i will not post again, i promise..Thank you very much for reading, hope to here back.

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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2007, 08:29:20 PM »
If you would follow the CDC guidelines like we do on testing, it states 3 months.

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« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2007, 03:09:53 PM »
that is what i have been doing and it says it can take up to 6 months..if you go onto the website you will see. Its says 97% by 3 months.

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« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2007, 04:36:32 PM »
You don't fall in the guidelines for 6 month testing. You didn't have a transplant and on antirejection drugs, your not a chronic IV drug abuser. You are not on chemo or have a depressed immune system. So you would not fall in the 6 month testing guidelines. 3 months is conclusive.

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« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2007, 04:47:20 PM »
I know it's not kosher to post in others threads but didn't want to start a new one.  Why does Massachusetts recommend a 6 week ELISA as conclusive regardless of risk while this site's moderators recommend a 13 week test as conclusive if there was moderate to high risk (which I assume fingering with blood is?)  Can you clarify the discrepancy?  Does it refer to different generation of tests?  I won't post again in this thread.

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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2007, 07:44:31 PM »
To answer the above question, i spoke to a top HIV specialist today who runs a lab. He told me with modern day testing 6 weeks is conclusive..so that would explain why they say 6 weeks.

Does everyone here agree that i cannot possibly have HIV from the incident i describe?


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« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2007, 02:24:24 PM »
Hello all,

Well, these weired things keep on happening to me and i dont no whats going on..like il be thinking of something, say a number and next thing that number will appear on the tv or someone will say it..that kind of stuff and i keep on relating back to HIV and it is really, really scaring me. I have my first meeting with my counsiller on monday and im very anxious to see what she will say. In you expereience have people who have been scared of contracting HIV reported these kind of things happening? This is a really important question i would really, really appreciate your answer because i think it will really calm me down untill tommorow.

Thanks for reading.


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« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2007, 05:51:46 PM »
That is not usual. You need to seek the help of a mental health professional.

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« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2007, 06:32:36 PM »
In one of Ann's posts she states that there is a very low risk of getting other STD's through fingering. May i ask how this is possible? Thanks.

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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2007, 06:35:27 PM »
Other STDs are more viable then HIV, outside the body.

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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2007, 06:40:44 PM »
So i take it you are talking about the person who is receiving right?

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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2007, 06:47:24 PM »
It depends on who has the STD.

Offline GTB

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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2007, 06:55:25 PM »
I am not questioning your knowledge one bit but i would like to no how between yourself, Ann and Andy etc you are able to give information on this forum. There seems to be new people giving advise every day how can people trust that they are being given accurate information. In other words how are you all able to give information on this forum?

I could come on this forum and say i am HIV+..would i then be able to give advise? You see what i am saying?

Cheers,

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2007, 07:49:56 PM »
I've been living with HIV for 23 years of which two have been with AIDS. I've been a Paramedic for 34 years and worked in a Trama 1 hospital for 5 years. I'm not asking you to believe what we've told you. If you don't like the facts given here, you can move on and seek answers to your questions else where. It's as simple as that.

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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2007, 07:50:40 PM »
Ann, Andy, Rapid and other people that have contributed in these forums for many years will always verify the facts given by other contributors. I am HIV+ and tried to contribute in here too, but realized fast enough with their help that I was way not educated enough nor experienced enough to respond to people in this forum. I'm reading it every day and learn a lot from the questions and answers. I do contribute sometimes, but when this is not a direct response to HIV infection question.

They know when someone is capable of taking into account all the considerations that are in a question. I'll learn that and when ready then I will help them too.

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« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2007, 09:39:28 AM »
GTB,

I warned you on March 15th that if you kept posting about your no risk incident, for which you tested negative at five months, then I would be giving you a time out. I meant what I said.

I'm giving you a four week time out. Do not create a new account to get around your time out because I will know and you will be permanently banned. The purpose of your time out is to encourage you to seek the help of a mental health care professional in order to learn to deal with your anxieties. We cannot do that for you here.

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« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2007, 06:07:14 PM »
Hello all again.

I no you don't like talking about symptoms on this website but there is just one thing i would like to ask. As you can see from my other posts when i started stressing about about contracting HIV i started getting these mouth ulcers. One on the inner lip, one on the floor of my mouth and on at the back of my mouth which was really painful and near my tonsil.

My question is..are mouth ulcers really due to stress..wheres the proof? I have had mouth ulcers in the past but since i had them at this specific time i have had not one ulcer! It is the only thing that is holding me back from moving on with my life. Also, how common are mouth ulcers in acute hiv. I have read that they are extremely common? Am i right in saying that the ulcers experienced in acute hiv come up swollen and large? My ulcers were aphthous, i dint no if this makes a difference but they were more like tiny holes in the skin.

Finally, i have been thinking of posting for a while since Ann gave me my time out. I don't want you to get mad it's just a couple of general questions that i no people living with HIV can answer for me. One thing i have realised is that anything can happen to anyone at any time which is why it is important to get on with life no matter what has happened or what might happen. These ulcers are what is stuck in my mind tho so would really appreciate some feedback. Many thanks for taking the time to read this..sorry it was a bit long! Cheers.

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« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2007, 06:51:49 PM »
I would really apprecate a reply. I never thought i could think about mouth ulcers so much. Why did i have them now and why have i not have one single ulcer since then. This is the only reason i am posting...

http://patients.uptodate.com/topic.asp?file=hiv_aids/4460

http://patients.uptodate.com/topic.asp?file=hiv_aids/4460

I no symptoms are NEVER a reliable indicator and it is so easy to put these aphthous ulcers down to stress. But how sure can one be? Thanks.

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« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2007, 08:15:50 PM »
Every one of our replies still pertains to your situation. Re-read them.  Move on.

You are negative.  Nothing since your negative result has changed.  Which means your negative. 

We cant do anything else for you.  You REALLY need to seek the help of a mental health professional.  REALLY!

http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/mouthulcers.html  PROOF. A link just like you provided.  You can link everything you like to HIV if you want, but your negative test trumps everything!

Factors that appear to provoke mouth ulcers include stress, fatigue, illness, injury from accidental biting, hormonal changes, menstruation, sudden weight loss, food allergies and deficiencies in vitamin B12, iron and folic acid.
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« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2007, 08:13:14 AM »
Thanks for your reply.

I can accept that mouth ulcers are bought on by stress. I mean, it seems a bit of a coincidence that the stress came on all of a sudden and i had a constant dry mouth and two days later i broke out it these ulcers.

But just one more question i have to ask. Are these mouth ulcers a common finding in acute HIV and is there a difference between viral sores and mouth ulcers. Only because i read in the "i just tested poz" forum that this guy had viral sores in the back of his mouth.

Cheers,

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« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2007, 10:57:22 AM »
Why do you keep asking?  You tested negative.  You ARE negative.

Acute HIV?  I think you may be talking about ARS and NO they are NOT common.  AND symptoms mean nothing.  AND you are NEGATIVE!

Seriously man.  What do you expect from us on here?  How many different ways do we need to tell you the SAME EXACT INFORMATION before it sinks in?

You REALLY REALLY need to seek the help of a mental health professional.  This thread has gone on FAR TOO LONG.  I suggest you print this out and take it to your first therapy session.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
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« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2007, 11:14:14 AM »
The only reason i was asking was because my symptoms however meanginless they may be came on 8 weeks after the incident. Therefore there is a chance that the ELISA would not have picked up the antibodies. I will do you a favour and not post anymore..i was just curious about the ulcers, thats all.

I appreaciate the information you have provided me with.

Thanks for your time.

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« Reply #75 on: May 04, 2007, 11:40:32 AM »
You tested 5 months after a no risk activity.  Your result is conclusive.

I hope you don't feel the need to come back and you can move on with your life.  But please, do get some help.
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« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2007, 03:37:47 PM »
Hi

I think there is something i have been overlooking here, please correct me if I'm wrong. If we could just forget that i had a "no risk" situation for a second. 5 months and 3 weeks after the incident i tested negative using the DUO test. The p24 test is used for someone who has recently been infected. It does not show positive after 3 weeks. The reason for this is because the body starts to produce antibodies. When the p24 is negative they turn to the ELISA. If for some strange reason i was infected and i was experiencing late seroconversion and i had not produced antibodies the p24 would of been positive right?

Thanks for reading.

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« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2007, 04:42:58 PM »
I will do you a favour and not post anymore..i was just curious about the ulcers, thats all.

I appreaciate the information you have provided me with.

Thanks for your time.

Take your own advice.  You are VERY close if not WAY overdue for a timeout.

No risk is NO RISK.  Move on.
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« Reply #78 on: May 06, 2007, 12:44:16 PM »
Hi,
Just a couple of questions.
Is it actually scientifically proven that saliva is not infectious. I mean if you injected HIV saliva into your veins could that transmit the virus or is it just 100% not capable of infecting someone?

My second question is does anyone have a link that states that the CDC did infact change the window period to 3 months in 2001? I fully believe it is true but would be nice to see it in writing.

Ann is defiantly right when she said that in her experience GP's are not always accurate with providing HIV information. My doctor is a very good one and has 5 HIV patients. He was honest with me and told me in the healthcare industry they do test out to 6 months and told me 3 months is 95% accurate even tho he told me i did not need to test. After speaking to one of his colleagues who runs a lab he told him that anytime after 8 weeks is reliable result. So apparently even a 3 months test isn't needed these days?

Cheers,


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« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2007, 02:27:22 PM »
GTB, do some work for yourself. Go to the CDC website and look. Your doctor may have 5 HIV patients but that doesn't make him up to date on the guidelines.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2007, 02:21:57 PM by RapidRod »

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« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2007, 04:44:18 PM »
Wow.  You just ingnore everything dont you.

Who the HELL injects saliva into their own bloodstream?  NO ONE!  Deal in reality, we do.
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« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2007, 01:58:51 PM »
OK, it's time to draw a line here, GTB.

You seem to be just passing idle time here with what ifs. Your original concern has been amply addressed. You are HIV negative.

It's time for you to move on with your life. As others have suggested, if you have some specific HIV interests  and want to learn more about HIV, then do some research. We're not here to spend time answering anything your mind may come up with.

You're on the verge of being given a time out here.

Andy Velez

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« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2007, 08:26:03 AM »
I do listen and appreciate all your comments. However, on this website you tell me the CDC changed the window period to 13 weeks. On the website it still says 6 months. On most websites it still says 6 months. My doctor told me 6 months and many people come on here saying there doctors told them 6 months. When i asked someone if they could provide me with a link that would state that the CDC did indeed change the window period i was told by Rod to find it myself. Believe me, i have searched long and hard and have found nothing from the CDC that states this.

I have suffered from mouth ulcers in the past. Growing up i had them quite frequently then they seemed to go and i hadn't had one in years. Then all of a sudden after what i THOUGHT was a risky event i had a load of them in my mouth. One of them was even right by my tonsils. Being able to accept that this just happened along with the list of other symptoms i had is just almost impossible considering that mouth ulcers are the third most common symptoms for those who do experience them. Everyone says stress is the cause of them but it just doesn't seem right. Ever since that week of ulcers i have not had one single ulcer. Very strange and very hard to accept as I'm sure you can understand. No sexual activity is 100% safe, NOTHING as you already no. So that is what is sticking in my mind. Maybe one more test would end this worry i have?

I'm not asking you to comment on any other symptoms i have had..just the ulcers. Do you have any information regarding mouth ulcers and ARS or just any information on mouth ulcers period, and also the CDC window period?

Believe me i DO NOT want to waist your time. Believe it or not i lead a busy life and have a stressful job but as you can see this has taken over my mind.
Thanks for reading.

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« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2007, 09:16:44 AM »
Thanks rod i feel a LOT better i just dont understand why the CDC dont state on there website that 3 months is conlcusive apart from the obvious factors ( IV drug users etc.) Very strange! Another thing that i was just thinking aobut. If the average time from seroconversion is 22 days how can ARS be occuring 2-4 weeks after exposure? Am i right in saying that ELISA tests are so sensitve that they can detect antibodies even while someone has just started seroconverting? Well it must be that..ARS 2-4 weeks...seroconverison 22 days...?

Thanks.

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« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2007, 09:24:11 AM »
The average is 22 days. As it said, it can time person up to 3 months to have enough antibodies for the test to detect. People that test during that time will usually get a negative result on their test, due to the body not having built up enough antibodies for the test to detect. You sir did not have a risk.

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« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2007, 10:19:26 AM »
I am very sorry if it seems as if i am coming across arrogant by posting all these questions. These mouth ulcers are what is holding me back. Saying that i am honest enough to say that if it wasn't the mouth ulcers it WOULD be something else, therefore i realise i need help. This is the way my mind is working at the moment:

Sight of blood all over my hands and worry of hiv
8 weeks later - sore throat, rash and mouth ulcers.

I am putting 2 and 2 together and not accepting my negative result. I realise i need help. I hope that in the long - run this is a positive thing that happened. I was never cautious of HIV in the past and knew nothing about it. I always thought that because the heterosexual transmission rate in the UK is so low that it is something not to worry about. After this incident i will ALWAYS use condoms no matter how well i think i no the person. I just hope i can get through this hard time. This forum has helped me hugely, so just wanted to say thanks!

As for the mouth ulcers i really dont no what i can do apart from put it down to a HUGE co-incedent.

 


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