Author Topic: Do they have no shame ?... (Read 10938 times)

J.R.E. · « **on:** September 15, 2009, 08:44:35 pm »

Todays picture on the front page of the St. Petersburg Times, apparently shows a picture of "The masses" That were protesting this weekend in Washington DC.

However the truth is, the picture was taken from the 1990's.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/photo-billed-as-showing-millions-protesting-president-obama-is-of-another/1036232

Photo billed as showing millions protesting President Obama is of another rally in the 1990s
By Catharine Richert, PolitiFact staff writer
In Print: Tuesday, September 15, 2009

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In the competitive world of Washington protests, crowd size is often a matter of dispute. Organizers usually boast of huge crowds, while police and the news media offer much smaller estimates.

So supporters of Saturday's "tea party" protests against President Barack Obama were quick to highlight their big turnout. To bolster countless claims on blogs and Facebook, many posted a photograph that showed a gargantuan crowd sprawling from Capitol Hill down the National Mall to the Washington Monument.

But it turns out the photo is more than 10 years old, apparently taken during a 1997 Promise Keepers rally.

On Saturday, estimates about the crowd spread quickly through the conservative blogosphere. Many writers, including author Michelle Malkin, pegged the number of people at between 1 million and 2 million. Those reports were largely based on information from people in the crowd.

Malkin, for example, updated her blog at 12:34 p.m., noting, "Police estimate 1.2 million in attendance. ABC News reporting crowd at 2 million," and she cited a Twitter post from Tabitha Hale, author of the Pink Elephant Pundit blog, who was at the protest.

Many bloggers said the media was unfairly reporting much smaller numbers, and many included the photo.

"I have no doubt that Washington Democrats are well aware of how many people turned out, even as their media outlets try to downplay the event," said Power Line, a conservative blog that linked to the photograph from Say Anything, another conservative Web site.

Ray

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2009, 08:56:29 pm »

They have no shame, and they're also morons for attempting something so easily disprovable. However it will get repeated over and over on Fox News, Newsmax and WorldNetDaily and their viewers/readers rarely do any independent fact checking. Either that or they write off any fact-based non-far right news as a massive, nefarious liberal conspiracy.

RapidRod · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2009, 04:02:55 am »

That wasn't the photo that was on TV..

Dachshund · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2009, 09:05:23 am »

I think you're right Miss Philicia.

randym431 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2009, 09:36:08 am »

Well like I said here before (or was it elsewhere?), that fox news was the main push behind this, funded by organization associated-supported by none other than Dick Armey.
The proof in the pudding here is googling those Disk Armey organizations and what they advocate.
Pretty scary stuff indeed!!!

Some folks on one of the talk shows, I think it was one of my two must see tv either Keith Olbermann or my new love Rachel Maddow, were saying how when Democrat presidents are in power, these far far way out right wing fringe nut job groups get started up. Through out history such fringe groups like THE JOHN BURCH SOCIETY (started during JFK era to protest liberal government), and another of the many was Senator Joseph McCarthy's anti commie hearings in the 1950's. FDR went through this too during his presidency. Flash forward to 2008 and Obama. Now we see the creation of the tea party-ers, birthers and no doubt more to come. What is that old saying, the more things change the more they stay the same.

RapidRod · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2009, 11:46:12 am »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 15, 2009, 08:56:29 pm

They have no shame, and they're also morons for attempting something so easily disprovable. However it will get repeated over and over on Fox News, Newsmax and WorldNetDaily and their viewers/readers rarely do any independent fact checking. Either that or they write off any fact-based non-far right news as a massive, nefarious liberal conspiracy.

That picture was not on Fox or any other news source except for ABC.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2009, 12:38:31 pm »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 16, 2009, 11:46:12 am

That picture was not on Fox or any other news source except for ABC.

source

BECK: You know, no newspaper is willing to give numbers, I think, more than 50 or 60 thousand -- unless you go overseas, and then you read the papers in the U.K., and they're saying between 1 and 2 million people marched on Washington. Let's just say it was 500,000. I mean, I would have thought it would have been a success at, you know, 200,000.

If you go to the website at GlennBeck.com and you look at the Picture of the Day -- this is down at the bottom right-hand corner -- and you click on that, there's a -- we have a collection of all the pictures and the videos of the crowds, and they are absolutely stunning.

[...]

BECK: But if you look at the pictures that we do have -- and we're gonna do this tonight -- and you compare them to the inauguration, there's not a lot of difference.

[...]

BECK: I'm willing to be really conservative and say 500,000 people. Just say 500,000. I mean, look at the picture. [Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 9/14/09]

RapidRod · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2009, 01:50:06 pm »

You did not see a picture on Fox or any other network with that size of crowd. The dems started that BS of 1-2 million weeks before the 12th.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2009, 02:00:52 pm »

riiiiiiiight. Let's blame liberals when conservatards lie repeatedly about their rally crowd size. Please excuse me while I laugh riotously at you, Roddles.

RapidRod · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2009, 02:05:21 pm »

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/12/politics/main5305732.shtml I love the far left that doesn't have facts and truth in their vocabulary.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2009, 02:48:16 pm »

Glen Beck and Fox pimped this rally continuously. Freedomworks/Dick Armey sponsered it. Both lied about crowd size as my earlier link exhibited, and Roddles in his usual state of denial can't follow the timeline and then accuses liberals of lying.

Brilliant. But then I'd expect nothing less from a right wing homosexual.

mecch · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2009, 04:30:57 pm »

Act Up and gay marches and black marches, everyone inflates their numbers.
This group is just dumb.
The Internet is tubes, remember. Sotomayor a pushy latina. Sarah Palin viable. Obama an uppity Ivy League fraud. Medicare isn't a government program. etc etc

the trebmeister · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2009, 04:37:19 pm »

it won't be too long before my uncle george sends a massive mass email with a link to this hokum. his messages are always special because he doesn't know how to edit (AOL...) so each message has about 25 pages of previous recipient headers before the forwarded message.

at least once a year i receive the (specious) story of jane fonda's treachery by handing notes secretly given to her by American Viet Nam POWs to the North Vietnamese officer in charge, insuring torture and harsh punishment. the message urges everyone to protest fonda's nomination as one of the 100 most something or other women of the century... but that list was created in 1999. no matter how often i point it out eventually i get the same message again.

i guess i should be happy he stopped sending requests for postcards or buttons or stamps or whatever that child in England who has been dying from cancer since the 1990s asked for.

RapidRod · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:15:08 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 16, 2009, 02:48:16 pm

Glen Beck and Fox pimped this rally continuously. Freedomworks/Dick Armey sponsered it. Both lied about crowd size as my earlier link exhibited, and Roddles in his usual state of denial can't follow the timeline and then accuses liberals of lying.

Brilliant. But then I'd expect nothing less from a right wing homosexual.

Guess you better get your team together on the Obamacare cause right now they are going in all different directions. ROFL

J.R.E. · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2009, 06:09:53 pm »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 16, 2009, 04:02:55 am

That wasn't the photo that was on TV..

I think this was the photo, that ClusterFaux news was showing. With some of the signs people had, may as well have been:

http://www.law.du.edu/jenkins/images/kkk.gif

Ray

Dachshund · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2009, 06:22:25 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 16, 2009, 02:00:52 pm

riiiiiiiight. Let's blame liberals when conservatards lie repeatedly about their rally crowd size. Please excuse me while I laugh riotously at you, Roddles.

Oh honey haven't you learned by now that any political observation made by RapidRod is manna from heaven. No way the dems will ever take back Congress. You guys are crazy if you think the dems will take back the Senate. No way Obama will ever beat Hillary. Obama doesn't stand a chance against McCain. Up is down, white is black, fact is fiction so sayeth the Roddles.

RapidRod · « **Reply #16 on:** September 16, 2009, 06:28:23 pm »

Quote from: Dachshund on September 16, 2009, 06:22:25 pm

Oh honey haven't you learned by now that any political observation made by RapidRod is manna from heaven. No way the dems will ever take back Congress. You guys are crazy if you think the dems will take back the Senate. No way Obama will ever beat Hillary. Obama doesn't stand a chance against McCain. Up is down, white is black, fact is fiction so sayeth the Roddles.

As normall Hal everytime you open your mouth it's laughable.

Dachshund · « **Reply #17 on:** September 16, 2009, 10:04:44 pm »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 16, 2009, 06:28:23 pm

As normall Hal everytime you open your mouth it's laughable.

Damn Rod you said I was being funny so that means I wasn't funny and I was trying to be funny but if everything you say means the opposite then I guess...oh never mind.

mecch · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2009, 05:22:43 am »

Jane Fonda is not only a communist, she's also a lesbian, agent of the devil, and patroness of the Masons. Everyone knows she was behind 9/11.

Dachshund · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2009, 08:32:40 am »

Put thirty two people in a room watching Fox News and what do you get? A full set of teeth.

RapidRod · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2009, 06:24:42 pm »

Quote from: Dachshund on September 17, 2009, 08:32:40 am

Put thirty two people in a room watching Fox News and what do you get? A full set of teeth.

Now you walked down to your local ACORN and get a federal loan. Hmm, you say you can't because the Dems defunded them today? Did you happen to see that on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC or the Huffington Post, before this evening? I doubt it. So when you talk about the mouth full of teeth you should also know they do bite, you best be watching a news organization where you can get your information and become informed. I'm sure the Czars are next, oh that's right one has resigned because of being a socialist and a deviled communist that was revealed by that mouthful of teeth. So yes it may help you by watching those with the teeth too.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2009, 07:06:34 pm »

Hey Roddles, was the President born in Kenya?

Joe K · « **Reply #22 on:** September 17, 2009, 07:17:11 pm »

Give me a break on all the crap about Obama. The guy becomes president and inherits a multi-trillion dollar deficit DUE TO THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Because the Republicans coddled their friends, America has entered its worst time since the Great Depression. Of course this is also Obama's fault. Obama and Congress have to spend money to shore up the economy that Bush had for eight years and broke. Almost every single dollar of the current deficit has come from the previous administration so quite lying about Obama spending all this money just because he feels like it. That is a juvenile approach and ignores the reality of the past eight years.

And spare me about Faux News. I just read their latest health care pole which states the following:

"Most Americans see no upside for their family in the health care reforms being considered in Washington and don't believe President Obama when he says his plan won't add "one dime" to the federal deficit. The majority of Americans believe they will have to make changes to their health care coverage if the president's plan is passed." They continue with:

"More Americans would rather Congress do nothing than pass Obama's plan: 46 percent to 37 percent of people polled say they prefer the current health care system to the one the president has proposed."

But then you get to the number of people polled:

"Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from Sept. 15 to 16. The poll has a 3-point margin of error."

900 people to represent a population of about 330,000,000, you have to be kidding. No way can 900 people be stated as representing "Most Americans", but that is what the sound bite says. This is not honest reporting and there is a saying in marketing that you tell me what you want to claim and I'll give you the data to back up your claims. Maybe they should hire some statisticians.

edited to add: Obama is really a resurrected "Boy from Brazil". Ketchup!

Robert · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2009, 07:34:40 pm »

Progressives rely on facts, the truth and too much information.

RapidRod · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2009, 09:08:08 pm »

Joe the US population is 307,475,219.

RapidRod · « **Reply #25 on:** September 17, 2009, 09:11:25 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 17, 2009, 07:06:34 pm

Hey Roddles, was the President born in Kenya?

His mother is a US citizen, that's all that matters..

randym431 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2009, 05:12:40 am »

Ok, ok. Say there was a million or a billion or a trillion attending. Just illustrates there are either a million, a billion or a trillion zombie faux following, Obama hating, Gay bashing, gun loving wacko poor misguided people out there. Lets plan a day of marching and prayer for these lost souls, in that they might gain the wisdom of a third grader.

bocker3 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2009, 07:48:08 am »

Quote from: randym431 on September 18, 2009, 05:12:40 am

Ok, ok. Say there was a million or a billion or a trillion attending. Just illustrates there are either a million, a billion or a trillion zombie faux following, Obama hating, Gay bashing, gun loving wacko poor misguided people out there. Lets plan a day of marching and prayer for these lost souls, in that they might gain the wisdom of a third grader.

I don't understand how you are equating a protest about taxes and never ending spending of money that doesn't exist to gay bashing and being zomies (i.e. unable to think for one's self)? This is exactly the sort of rhetoric that makes productive political discourse impossible. It totally discounts that anyone who thinks differently from you has ANY valid points and/or concerns. It is self-centered to the extreme. AND YES -- I know that there are those on the "other side" that do the same thing. However, self-righteousness, from either side of the political spectrum is still self-righteousness.

Mike

Dachshund · « **Reply #28 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:56:12 am »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 17, 2009, 06:24:42 pm

Now you walked down to your local ACORN and get a federal loan. Hmm, you say you can't because the Dems defunded them today? Did you happen to see that on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC or the Huffington Post, before this evening? I doubt it. So when you talk about the mouth full of teeth you should also know they do bite, you best be watching a news organization where you can get your information and become informed. I'm sure the Czars are next, oh that's right one has resigned because of being a socialist and a deviled communist that was revealed by that mouthful of teeth. So yes it may help you by watching those with the teeth too.

Jesus Christ, get a poligrip Rod. All the mainstream media carried the Senate's vote to stop funding ACORN. Huffington Post did too. The rest of your post is so indicative of bizarre Fox babble that it speaks for itself and makes my point. So narrow in scope that it defies belief. No wonder Fox needs to spoon feed you guys. Google Czar and then google communist Ro-Ro and see what you get.

Oh and I don't have the time to go to ACORN today to get me my free, guvment loan, I's got to go to work so my taxes can pays for that commie-socialist medicare.

chomp-chomp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/house-votes-to-end-federa_n_290507.html

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #29 on:** September 18, 2009, 11:20:04 am »

Quote from: bocker3 on September 18, 2009, 07:48:08 am

I don't understand how you are equating a protest about taxes and never ending spending of money that doesn't exist to gay bashing and being zomies (i.e. unable to think for one's self)? This is exactly the sort of rhetoric that makes productive political discourse impossible. It totally discounts that anyone who thinks differently from you has ANY valid points and/or concerns. It is self-centered to the extreme. AND YES -- I know that there are those on the "other side" that do the same thing. However, self-righteousness, from either side of the political spectrum is still self-righteousness.

Mike

While I agree with this as a guiding principle, it (meaning the "everybody does it" meme) only works if you disregard something like this:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/print.html

We're dealing with groups of people that even William F. Buckley would see as extremely radical, and harnessed by the power of a major news channel. If everything is equal then show me this on the left side of the equation. There comes a point where you have to recognize how extremist the right has become over the past 30 years. Or rather, how the extremists have taken over the "mainstream right" institutionally.

RapidRod · « **Reply #30 on:** September 18, 2009, 12:25:43 pm »

Quote from: Dachshund on September 18, 2009, 08:56:12 am

Jesus Christ, get a poligrip Rod. All the mainstream media carried the Senate's vote to stop funding ACORN. Huffington Post did too. The rest of your post is so indicative of bizarre Fox babble that it speaks for itself and makes my point. So narrow in scope that it defies belief. No wonder Fox needs to spoon feed you guys. Google Czar and then google communist Ro-Ro and see what you get.

Oh and I don't have the time to go to ACORN today to get me my free, guvment loan, I's got to go to work so my taxes can pays for that commie-socialist medicare.

chomp-chomp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/house-votes-to-end-federa_n_290507.html

ROFL, I love to watch the left cry and squirm when they aren't getting their way.

Dachshund · « **Reply #31 on:** September 18, 2009, 01:10:23 pm »

Quote from: RapidRod on September 18, 2009, 12:25:43 pm

ROFL, I love to watch the left cry and squirm when they aren't getting their way.

Poor Ro-Ro. Reality is a left-wing bias. Wind this big set of teeth up with the included key, and laugh as the mouths just chatter away. Great for those chatter mouths.

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Joe K · « **Reply #32 on:** September 18, 2009, 02:24:16 pm »

After reading Miss P's link I now realize that trying to have any discussion, with anyone who truly believes Glen Becks hatred, is not worth the time or energy. I can never accept the view of anyone who believes that most slaves were happy campers, but because a few were not, they all had to travel in chains? Absolutely mind-boggling, self-serving hatred with no other purpose than to promote hate, pure and simple. Move on folks, there is no connection with reality and Glenn Beck.

bocker3 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 18, 2009, 04:39:16 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2009, 11:20:04 am

While I agree with this as a guiding principle, it (meaning the "everybody does it" meme) only works if you disregard something like this:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/print.html

We're dealing with groups of people that even William F. Buckley would see as extremely radical, and harnessed by the power of a major news channel. If everything is equal then show me this on the left side of the equation. There comes a point where you have to recognize how extremist the right has become over the past 30 years. Or rather, how the extremists have taken over the "mainstream right" institutionally.

You are absolutely correct, there are those that are beyond the pale, and quite frankly will never admit that there is another side besides their own. However, I don't agree that it has to be "everyone does it"-- if more reasonable folks will stop and consider the other sides positions, then we start to lessen the polarization and are able to marginalize those extremists.

Mike

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #34 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:04:27 pm »

That's not what I meant by referencing the "everybody does it" meme as an excuse, I was implying that you were using that meme to draw an equivalency between the left and right and the degree of extremism, unless I am misinterpreting what you said. Just wanted to be clear with that.

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #35 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:11:16 pm »

Quote from: killfoile on September 18, 2009, 02:24:16 pm

After reading Miss P's link I now realize that trying to have any discussion, with anyone who truly believes Glen Becks hatred, is not worth the time or energy.

It's a very startling article, and while a bit long I encourage everyone to read this, keeping in mind that he's been the largest voice in organizing August's town hall disturbances and last weekend's 9-12 rally. He's a modern day xenophobic Father Coughlin.

Finding common ground with the insane is a fruitless task.

Ann · « **Reply #36 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:47:34 am »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2009, 08:11:16 pm

It's a very startling article, and while a bit long I encourage everyone to read this, keeping in mind that he's been the largest voice in organizing August's town hall disturbances and last weekend's 9-12 rally. He's a modern day xenophobic Father Coughlin.

Finding common ground with the insane is a fruitless task.

Scary stuff. Wow... just wow.

"The 5,000 Year Leap" is not the only Skousen title to find new life on the 912 circuit. The president of the National Center for Constitutional Studies, Dr. Earl Taylor Jr., is currently touring the country offering daylong seminars to 912 chapters based on Skousen's "Making of America." For $25, participants will receive a bagged lunch and stories about America's religious Founders and their happy slaves

Does the bagged lunch include kool-aid?

Joe K · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2009, 11:29:11 am »

Quote from: Ann on September 19, 2009, 07:47:34 am

Does the bagged lunch include kool-aid?

No, but it does include a coupon for a Sham-WOW KKK robe and hood and if you act quickly, because they can't do it all day, you can get two for the price of one.

bocker3 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 19, 2009, 11:46:52 am »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2009, 08:04:27 pm

That's not what I meant by referencing the "everybody does it" meme as an excuse, I was implying that you were using that meme to draw an equivalency between the left and right and the degree of extremism, unless I am misinterpreting what you said. Just wanted to be clear with that.

OK, now i get it.... thanks.

However, I wasn't really talking about extremism like your article shows. I was more pointing out the unwillingness by some people on both sides who refuse to even consider that the other side has any valid ideas, thoughts or concerns. It leads to a lack of ability to see any possible holes within one's own stance and completely disallows the ability to meaningfully address the other side's concern. It's not necessarily about changing one's own view (although that could happen), it's about trying to understand why someone is thinking that a different approach might be preferable.

Pulling out the most extreme examples of another side, simply fuels the fire for increased polarization and stagnation. Most people are not that extreme, but will be more inclined to align themselves with them if they feel that their concerns are not even being considered.

Mike

J.R.E. · « **Reply #39 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:23:03 am »

It's kind of hard to listen to the other side, when the other side consists of Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and of course the Grand Dragon Rush Limbaugh.

Ray

RapidRod · « **Reply #40 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:33:46 am »

I guess it doesn't matter who you listen to eventually the rest of the news networks come along even if they are month or so late and it's old news.

bocker3 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:33:17 am »

Quote from: J.R.E. on September 20, 2009, 04:23:03 am

It's kind of hard to listen to the other side, when the other side consists of Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and of course the Grand Dragon Rush Limbaugh.

Ray

So don't listen to them. This is the point I am trying to make -- the "shockers" get all the publicity, the ones willing to listen to the other side, say Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, get very little airtime.

Mike

Miss Philicia · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:43:57 am »

Like Olympia stated this week: "I have not changed, my party has."

RapidRod · « **Reply #43 on:** September 20, 2009, 12:03:57 pm »

Quote from: Miss Philicia on September 20, 2009, 11:43:57 am

Like Olympia stated this week: "I have not changed, my party has."

ROFL...

Dachshund · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2009, 02:15:39 pm »

Quote from: bocker3 on September 20, 2009, 11:33:17 am

So don't listen to them. This is the point I am trying to make -- the "shockers" get all the publicity, the ones willing to listen to the other side, say Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins, get very little airtime.

Mike

Unfortunately Snowe and Collins aren't listened to in their own party. The Republicans purged moderates from their party long ago, and you see who you have left. Republicans don't consider Snowe a Republican. As she said herself, she hasn't changed, Republicans have.

J.R.E. · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:30:35 pm »

An oldie from March. Bill Maher slams Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4rF-mFovEU

Ray

the trebmeister · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:05:35 pm »

Quote from: Dachshund on September 20, 2009, 02:15:39 pm

Unfortunately Snowe and Collins aren't listened to in their own party. The Republicans purged moderates from their party long ago, and you see who you have left. Republicans don't consider Snowe a Republican. As she said herself, she hasn't changed, Republicans have.

i believe the quaint terminology would label snowe a lincoln republican... and her successors fascists. i could be wrong of course...

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