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One less foreskin in the world.
« on: September 15, 2010, 02:46:25 am »
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/200913.php

I was gonna make some joke about how this made me cry, but then I realized I was talking about an infant and it just seemed creepy.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 02:48:25 am »
Maybe Lady Gaga can wear it as some sort of hat?

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 02:51:00 am »
I love babies, but could never eat a whole one.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 02:53:08 am »
Maybe Lady Gaga can wear it as some sort of hat?

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Maybe it could be the band around a pillbox hat, Jackie O style.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 02:55:36 am »
I love babies, but could never eat a whole one.

The only way to bring up children is to eat them first.

Maybe it could be the band around a pillbox hat, Jackie O style.

Making jokes about Jackie O is just tasteless and I don't do tasteless material.

That said, I was thinking of something more in this vein:


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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 09:03:07 am »
If they win money in the lawsuit, I hope it goes in trust for the boy, if the parents arent in any desperate need for cash.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 09:55:58 am »
Can't they sew it back on? Someone needs to call Dr. 90210.

Our hospital has adopted what are called "Red Rules" from the nuclear power industry to help reduce these kinds of mistakes. One of the rules is prior to any invasive procedure there is a "time out" where everyone reviews and makes sure they are doing the correct procedure and not missing anything.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 01:18:45 pm »
Can't they sew it back on? Someone needs to call Dr. 90210.

Our hospital has adopted what are called "Red Rules" from the nuclear power industry to help reduce these kinds of mistakes. One of the rules is prior to any invasive procedure there is a "time out" where everyone reviews and makes sure they are doing the correct procedure and not missing anything.

"Are we absolutely sure this patient wants gender reassignment surgery?  Oh wait this form says appendectomy.  Close call boys!"

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 01:33:48 pm »
His family shouldn't dispair . I was able to yank me a new foreskin after being circumcised , it took 40 years but I managed .

They also have a pill for everthing these days , there is even one for disciplining children . I think its called the morning after pill .
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 04:09:10 pm »
It only took me 2 years to grow mine back!
Anyone can do it if they want to.
Google foreskin restoration.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 05:44:24 pm »
I've heard about the foreskin restoration stuff before but I can't say I'm convinced.  Even if you stretch the skin it won't convert to the type of skin found in an actual foreskin, eh?  Not to mention I would assume the process would be fairly painful and involve a lot of weights and tape etc...

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 05:48:53 pm »
Even if you stretch the skin it won't convert to the type of skin found in an actual foreskin, eh?  Not to mention I would assume the process would be fairly painful and involve a lot of weights and tape etc...

Be nice to your penis and it will be nice to you.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2010, 05:53:25 pm »
Be nice to your penis and it will be nice to you.

Everyone is kind to my penis, no teeth allowed.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2010, 08:31:36 pm »
no teeth allowed.

No, them truckers just hand you their teeth before they go down on you and give you a gummie.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 08:35:36 pm »
Everyone is kind to my penis, no teeth allowed.

Just like Thanksgiving when you were a kid, right?

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 07:27:22 am »
Just like Thanksgiving when you were a kid, right?

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I'm in too much pain to process what this might mean.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 05:44:31 am »
Wasn't there some news a few years ago about men trying to 'reclaim' their foreskins?  Not sure how you do that.

Since the invention of scented wet wipes, I'm not sure why there's still the need to have a snip.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 07:24:59 am »
Wasn't there some news a few years ago about men trying to 'reclaim' their foreskins?  Not sure how you do that.

Since the invention of scented wet wipes, I'm not sure why there's still the need to have a snip.

Real men don't use scented wet wipes to clean they're foreskins , that's what glory holes are for .  :P
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 07:36:42 am »
I really don't see ANY humour in this. Circumcision of babies is a barbaric practice. Are you aware that the foreskin is actually sorta fused to the head of the penis in newborns? And it has to be literally ripped away so it can be cut off? It's not "a little snip", it's an amputation.

Check this out.

In fact, check out the whole site.

If I were this boy's mother, I would be suing too. That hospital committed a error of great magnitude and should be made to pay. Circumcising newborns should be outlawed.

And before anyone trots out the whole thing about circumcision helping to prevent hiv infection, that's actually a pretty controversial idea and the studies don't support it quite as much as we're being led to believe.

Besides, cut or uncut, condoms are still the best way to prevent hiv infection.
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2010, 07:45:53 am »
I can agree with that Ann . I wish it had never been done to me for sure .
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2010, 10:05:34 am »
Good for you Ann bringing up the facts!

If we did this to girls there would be outrage, but it is the most common surgical procedure done in the USA.
Pulling the skin from the head of the penis is equal to pulling off a fingernail as they are fused together.

John Harvey Kellogg started promoting the practice to discourage masturbation!
(Masturbation is the worst sin...)
Kellogg said circumcision would prevent masturbation, cancer, kleptomania, insanity and the list goes on and on.
The study done showing circumcision decreased the spread of HIV is bogus,
it is just another attempt to justify the mutilation of our boys.

For anyone wanting to grow back that which was stolen from them, you can do it easily.
I was cut but have grown it back without pain or meds.
If you are interested I have put a few links that show what it will look like and the devices I have used.

Foreskin restoration:
If it hurts, you are doing it wrong.
Also never use any product that requires tape.

http://tlctugger.com/prodRC.htm        for beginning the process
http://www.catstretcher.com/           after you have grown some skin.

http://www.newforeskin.biz/members/framesetMain.htm
Good information site, but I don’t recommend the device they use.

http://www.foreskinrestore.com/pictures.html
Before and after photos. Hate the piercings…

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2010, 10:39:48 am »
Just as female circumcision is more correctly known as female genital mutilation, so should male circumcision be correctly called male genital mutilation. I feel very strongly against both practices.

I first researched male genital mutilation when I was pregnant and there was no way on earth I would have allowed a male child of mine to undergo this barbarism. I really feel the outrage of this boy's mother. I really do.

I read some of the stuff earlier about re-growing a foreskin and I think if I were a guy who had been mutilated like this, I'd probably try it. Seriously. Only problem is, you'll never, ever get back the more sensitive nerves of the foreskin and the glans will never fully recover from the keritinisation.

This mutilation should be outlawed, even for those of the Jewish faith. Both female and male genital mutilation are human rights issues - are Jews not any more deserving of having this human right protected?



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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2010, 10:45:51 am »
Don't get me wrong - if a full grown man wants to opt for circumcision, that's his right. What I would like to see outlawed is the forced circumcision of baby and young boys who have no say in what's happening.

Just thought I'd clarify that. :)
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2010, 10:50:31 am »
Ann, thats for that link. Totally gruesome, I never really thought about what most American guys my age went through.  (At least they left me some frenum, thanks!)

Those pictures say it all. I bet most people just aren't aware how horrible it really is for the kid. And all those botched possibilities. Ick.

Muslim guys are cut too, by the way, like Jews.

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2010, 11:01:10 am »

Muslim guys are cut too, by the way, like Jews.

Yes, forgot to include them in my rant about outlawing genital mutilation. Their human right to not be mutilated should also be protected, and for pretty much the same reasons as the Jews because it's the same reasoning.

Kinda ironic, when you think about it, but that's a whole other thread entirely.
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2010, 11:11:03 am »
I actually started the thread because I always find hospital mix ups concerning surgery to be slightly horrifying.  I am totally and completely dead set against circumcision unless later in life complications arise and it's a necessary evil.  I've known a guy who was in his 40s who had to get cut but that's a totally different story from an infant.  I would not have chosen to be circumcised had I been given a choice.  Oh well.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2010, 11:13:21 am »
I'd like my entire penis cut off and replaced with red pom poms and glitter.
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2010, 11:14:41 am »
I always wondered how and why circumcision got established in American hospitals.  I heard that these days its down to 50% so thats progress I guess.
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2010, 11:29:47 am »
I always wondered how and why circumcision got established in American hospitals.  I heard that these days its down to 50% so thats progress I guess.

The history is circumcision is discussed at some length at the website I linked to above.
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2010, 11:34:01 am »
I always wondered how and why circumcision got established in American hospitals.  I heard that these days its down to 50% so thats progress I guess.

I think it's only down to 70%, and I'd also bet most of the decrease is due to an increase in the non-Caucasian population and/or inter-marriage with same.  My best friend who married a Mexican guy didn't get her child circumcised, though I was also insistent that she not do it.  Once something like this is customary it's hard to change, simple things like the father not wanting his son looked at as an oddity in the middle school locker room.  Silly I know, but it is what it is.

By the way, even in some sub-Saharan places this is a more common practice than you think.  My ex-partner, born and raised in Lagos, was circumcised.  I think fully one-third of the world population does this currently, and it's been done for a long time.  Both Egyptians and even the Aztecs, Maya and Incas did it.  Keeping the foreskin clean while in the field for armies is (was) difficult, which is why it was done over so many wildly different older cultures.
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2010, 11:37:59 am »
They have some suggestions on that website as to what a young boy could say if he got teased in the locker room. The one I remember best was... "You had an important part of your dick cut off and you're laughing at me???" or something to that effect.

Keeping your foreskin clean in the field is no more difficult than keeping your hands, face or asshole clean. Stupid argument. Like most the arguments in favour of circumcision male genital mutilation.
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2010, 11:39:46 am »

Keeping your foreskin clean in the field is no more difficult than keeping your hands, face or asshole clean. Stupid argument.

Simmer down -- I barely think you have any clue what battlefield conditions were like on the Yucatan peninsula in 1500 BC.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2010, 11:43:21 am »
Ann,

Thanks for the new link, I will keep it in a file for later use.
I have sent the video of a baby being circumcised and all the information to a pregnant friend, but she still mutilated the boy so he would match his mutilated father. With that reasoning, I am glad the father didn't have a missing arm!

Before I restored, my glans was as calloused as the heel of my foot and I felt nothing.
Since this is all I had ever known, I thought all was fine. After 4 weeks of keeping skin over the glans, it became soft and shiny. Also with more skin grown there are more nerves grown. My sensitive pink area under the glans has doubled in size and nerves.
When I started I was a bottom as that is the only place I felt anything, but now I prefer to top.
Maybe we could use that as a slogan, "Circumcision makes bottoms!"
Also with the added skin my penis became longer and fatter.
Anyone with a cut dick needs to try restoring for a month to see if they feel a difference.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2010, 11:47:58 am »
Simmer down -- I barely think you have any clue what battlefield conditions were like on the Yucatan peninsula in 1500 BC.

Can't be that difficult to imagine. If they had a hard time keeping their foreskin clean (which is easy as all hell), then why didn't they also cut their noses or fingers off, because if the former is allegedly hard to clean, so would the be the latter. It ain't exactly rocket science.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2010, 11:49:25 am »
Can't be that difficult to imagine. If they had a hard time keeping their foreskin clean (which is easy as all hell), then why didn't they also cut their noses or fingers off, because if the former is allegedly hard to clean, so would the be the latter. It ain't exactly rocket science.

Just related what I read in a scholarly book on Azetcs and Maya -- if you want to debate the fact then I don't know what to say.  It's what happened.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2010, 11:52:45 am »
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just think it's a silly reason to do it. IMHO.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2010, 11:57:03 am »
Besides, there's a huge difference to circumcising an adolescent boy (as some cultures do as a rite of passage to manhood) or circumcising an adult man when he becomes a warrior and circumcising a baby.

By adolescence, the foreskin is fully separated from the glans and can be moved back and forth. In an infant and young baby, the foreskin is not retractable because it is still fused to the glans. This can be true when a boy is as old as seven or eight.

It's there for a reason, so why take it away?
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2010, 11:57:23 am »
I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just think it's a silly reason to do it. IMHO.

If you were an Aztec leader and during battle you had foreskin infections on the field hitting 50% of your warriors what would you do?
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2010, 11:59:00 am »
If you were an Aztec leader and during battle you had foreskin infections on the field hitting 50% of your warriors what would you do?

Tell them to quit shagging the locals. ;D
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2010, 12:49:39 pm »
Ann,

Thanks for the new link, I will keep it in a file for later use.
I have sent the video of a baby being circumcised and all the information to a pregnant friend, but she still mutilated the boy so he would match his mutilated father. With that reasoning, I am glad the father didn't have a missing arm!

Before I restored, my glans was as calloused as the heel of my foot and I felt nothing.
Since this is all I had ever known, I thought all was fine. After 4 weeks of keeping skin over the glans, it became soft and shiny. Also with more skin grown there are more nerves grown. My sensitive pink area under the glans has doubled in size and nerves.
When I started I was a bottom as that is the only place I felt anything, but now I prefer to top.
Maybe we could use that as a slogan, "Circumcision makes bottoms!"
Also with the added skin my penis became longer and fatter.
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2010, 12:58:27 pm »


   Check this ladies foreskin out!!  Holy fucking Jesus Batman!!

   
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2010, 01:17:27 pm »

  Yikes the topic of babies and sex in the same post?   

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Well, silly, without sex, there'd be no babies to talk about!
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2010, 01:21:25 pm »
Well, silly, without sex, there'd be no babies to talk about!


Wha? babies come from sex?  how come I'm not a Daddy yet?

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2010, 01:23:23 pm »
Should we move this on to docking?
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2010, 01:26:10 pm »
Docking is so cool and I'm so jealous. We can sorta do it with my little hood and his big one, but it just ain't the same at all.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2010, 01:29:39 pm »

Wha? babies come from sex?  how come I'm not a Daddy yet?

Maybe you are and you just don't know it. Or maybe you're doing it all wrong.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2010, 01:31:32 pm »
Should we move this on to docking?

And I thought my schooling here was complete, thanks for the lesson.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2010, 01:38:43 pm »
And I thought my schooling here was complete, thanks for the lesson.

Oh honey, you're still a freshman. Hell, I'm only a junior!
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2010, 01:41:32 pm »
I have a friend who willingly underwent circumcision at age 25 to make his girlfriend happy!  He said the difference before and after wasn't as much as you would think, but that it was definitely painful to recover from, and masturbation wasn't as enjoyable. 

Then the girl dumped him a few months later.... OUCH.

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2010, 03:42:17 pm »
Geez what a sap.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2010, 03:50:39 pm »
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2010, 04:00:53 pm »


It's there for a reason, so why take it away?

We seem to have an obsession in this culture with cutting out parts of our bodies--wisdom teeth and tonsils for example.  Sometimes there are good reasons to remove these things but often the reason offered is preposterously frivolous--"because they might cause trouble down the road." (What they said to me when I was 18 to explain why they wanted to remove all my wisdom teeth--of course I refused.)  But circumcision is the worst.  Yes, it would be fantastic if it were illegal. 
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2010, 06:53:13 pm »
One of my favorite TV memories was Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football saying "Look at those 4 skins on that quarterback!"   ;D  Have the best day
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« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2010, 07:18:10 pm »
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2010, 09:52:20 am »
I have a friend who willingly underwent circumcision at age 25 to make his girlfriend happy! He said the difference before and after wasn't as much as you would think, but that it was definitely painful to recover from, and masturbation wasn't as enjoyable. 

Then the girl dumped him a few months later.... OUCH.

I have to wonder if he isn't trying to convince himself that it's not all that different. I bet he feels pretty foolish to have taken such a drastic step for someone who didn't even have any commitment for him. She must have been a pretty shallow person to demand that a man remove his foreskin just for her. Silly woman, foreskins are absolutely fabulous. 
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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2010, 10:47:17 am »
And that docking thing is one of the best feelings in the world for messing around and foreplay .
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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2010, 11:45:03 am »
I have to wonder if he isn't trying to convince himself that it's not all that different. I bet he feels pretty foolish to have taken such a drastic step for someone who didn't even have any commitment for him. She must have been a pretty shallow person to demand that a man remove his foreskin just for her. Silly woman, foreskins are absolutely fabulous. 

I was always under the impression women didn't like foreskin, I guess you prove this notion wrong.  I know why I thought this though.  When I was married to my first wife she had two sons, one 8 and the other 12 years old.  She opted to get them circumsized at said age and I remember the doctor and nurse joking with us that the boys' future wives would thank us profusely..  Ann, let me tell you...  that had to be some of the most sadistic crap I have ever seen males go through.  The poor fellas was walking around the house in pain holding the crotch area of their pajamas out like little tents.  Eeeek, I feel my skin crawling just thinking about it.
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« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2010, 12:05:57 pm »
Yes, it's sadistic all right.

I'd never seen an uncut cock until I met my (ex)husband. It took a little getting used to, but foreskins are so much fun and add a dimension to sex that just isn't there with a cut guy. I'm always disappointed when I cum come across a cut guy.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2010, 12:11:22 pm »
I scored my first uncut cock exactly twenty years ago.  And yes, it was Dominican and was also one of the most ample foreskins I've ever seen -- you know, the ones that hang low and long like window draperies.
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« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2010, 12:14:22 pm »
I scored my first uncut cock exactly twenty years ago.

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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2010, 12:17:37 pm »
Happy Happy Anniversay P! Here's to you and 20 more years of Dominican Foreskin

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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2010, 12:22:03 pm »
It was a great fuck -- I was living in a 7th floor walk up in Little Italy so we had to go up to the roof so we wouldn't wake up my room mate.  There was a piece of foam rubber up there and I'm sure it had been used by one of the many Chinese people in the building, probably covered in dried cum but what the fuck I was really drunk.  So under the bright moonlight with a view of the Empire State Building I was plowed not once but twice by the DR foreskin boy.

Forgot to take a rubber up there too, so in fact he's one of several infection possibilities.  Plus he worked for an ASO in Boston and later moved to NYC and the next time I saw him he looked one step away from a coffin. Then again half the gay boys looked like this in NYC in the early 90's so not sure how much to read in that.
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Re: One less foreskin in the world.
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2010, 12:27:04 pm »
I scored my first uncut cock exactly twenty years ago.

I got you beat there by six years. I met the ex in the spring of 1984, married him in November 1984. In NYC. :)
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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2010, 12:41:00 pm »
I got you beat there by six years. I met the ex in the spring of 1984, married him in November 1984. In NYC. :)

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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2010, 12:42:01 pm »
THE INTERNET IS NOT A CONTEST!

Yes it is and I won. So there.
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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2010, 12:10:15 pm »
I have a friend who willingly underwent circumcision at age 25 to make his girlfriend happy!  He said the difference before and after wasn't as much as you would think, but that it was definitely painful to recover from, and masturbation wasn't as enjoyable. 

Then the girl dumped him a few months later.... OUCH.



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