Conspiracies

[camps]

I've searched this whole forum and couldn't pick up anybody talking bout how the pharmaceutical companies and our governments, make billions out of our disease. 
Are all of u really making d best out of ur situations & accepted what happened?

I've known 4 d past 13 years that I'm +, so there's no denial concerns from my side, but I DO think that there's a cure somewhere & that ARV's r doing more harm than good.

[hope_for_a_cure]

Good morning camps!

The pharmaceutical companies do make money when they produce and sell drugs to treat AIDS and HIV patients but personally I think they would also profit from a cure as well (not to mention the wonderful publicity they would receive).  This subject has come up here in the forums at various times and there are varying opinions about it. 

Your question about accepting and making the best of what happened would be answered by me as follows:  I know how it feels to be on a hospital bed almost dead as a result of the virus.  Human nature is to fight to stay alive as best as one can.  I did just that and as a result am here today.  I have no choice but to accept the fact that I have AIDS.  It is up to me to either accept that fact or face the consequences of denial if I dont.  Do I like the fact that I am infected...? definitely not.  Am I making the best of it..?  some days are better than others but I would like to say that I am.  My diagnosis was given to me in 2010 so I am somewhat of a newbie with regards to knowing my accurate status.  Personally, I still hope for a cure to be found in my lifetime but in the meantime I will take the ARVs that allow me to continue onward. 

[camps]

U don't hve 2 b on meds 4 d rest of ur life, once they make d cure available 2 d public.
I might b against ARV's cos I've never been bedridden. D only serious opportunistic infection I've ever had 4 d past 13 years is 2-3 days flu.
I might be ungrateful cos I never faced death in d eye.

I really hope that reading all these blogs daily will change my mindset regarding ARV's.

I truly admire LTS's, who are on this blog & still so + regarding life.

Maybe I've been in denial all these years till I started ARV's - how pathetic could that be hey?

[skeebo1969]

  Here ya go campers, meet Etay.  

  http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=34224.msg425113#msg425113

  Read through some of his posts.  In them you'll find how he didn't feel the need to take ARV's even when his Cd4's dropped below 10.  He was a jolly fellow indeed.  He never got sick because his immune system didn't exist unbeknowst to him.  He's now sadly a member of our memorial section.  He left behind two beautiful sons he loved dearly.  I spoke to him once and he was a beautiful light needlessly extinguished by the same foolish beliefs you expose.....

  I liked him, I'm not sure about you though.  Your method of posting leaves me suspicious.

  Skeebo

  PS.  You can also find Etay on youtube on your own.

[thunter34]

I think there's a conspiracy against grammar.

[sam66]

I think there's a conspiracy against grammar.

   

[Joe K]

I've searched this whole forum and couldn't pick up anybody talking bout how the pharmaceutical companies and our governments, make billions out of our disease. 
Are all of u really making d best out of ur situations & accepted what happened?

I've known 4 d past 13 years that I'm +, so there's no denial concerns from my side, but I DO think that there's a cure somewhere & that ARV's r doing more harm than good.

If you think that there is a hidden cure somewhere or that ARVs do more harm than good, then you are in denial.  If you somehow believe that being poz diminishes who we are, you are in denial.  If you believe that the flu is an OI, then you are ignorant about HIV and the danger it represents.  If you wish to discuss any issues, it would be nice if you could actually write in English, as this is not Twitter.  If you want people to reply, you need to show some respect for how the forum is presented.

But most important, is you cannot expect to come to this forum, one based on solid scientific knowledge regarding HIV and treatments and start claiming "conspiracy theories", by just spouting some AIDS denialist propaganda and expect to be taken seriously.

[buginme2]

Conspiracies are for sissy's

Not to mention fools.

Blah blah blah the big bad pharmaceutical companies and their "pills.". Hey, I hear there is some "doctor" in Thailand that has a cure for teh AIDS.  You should check it out.

[Miss Philicia]

I'm sure thousands of doctors, researchers and government officials all around the world are colluding in a dark conspiracy to hide a cure from a bunch of pozzies. Seriously, where do you people dream this stuff up?

[sam66]

. Seriously, where do you people dream this stuff up?

    Internet ;  me thinks,

    "Conspiracy theories and propaganda are gaining credence in the classroom because young people are not being taught how to judge the accuracy of information on the internet, according to think tank Demos."

     "Osama Bin Laden is not dead; 9/11 was an inside job; and police were slow to tackle this summer's rioters as an excuse to lock up a whole raft of young black men.

Conspiracy theories like these are nothing new; opposing views to the official line given by authorities are in fact crucial in exposing deceptions.

However, independent think tank Demos says that young people do not know how to navigate this information when it appears on the Internet.

"We have something like a Wild West on the internet," says Jamie Bartlett, senior researcher at Demos.

"There's a huge amount of very trustworthy, academic, good bits of journalism [on the internet], more than ever before, which is extremely liberating.

But at the same time, equal proportions of distortions, propaganda, lies, mistruths, half-truths and all sorts of rubbish. It can be very difficult, especially for younger people, to sort the wheat from the chaff."

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15122277

[spacebarsux]

Camps, there’s a far more sinister conspiracy than this.  A deception of such colossal proportion that it dwarfs the one you speak of, on all counts.

We, human beings, practically each and everyone of us that populates the Earth, in every nook and cranny conceivable, right from New York City to Burkina Faso, has very convincingly been deceived (and exploited), for generations, by big pharmaceutical companies, successive Governments  of all nations (who are in their pocket), advertisers, scientists, public health advocates, researchers and of course the evil fanged dentists- that we need tooth paste (and a brush) to keep our teeth clean and healthy.  

It is a bare teethed lie.  A mammoth connivance incisively plotted by an elite group for perpetual financial gains. A gang  so powerful, with canines that wield influence so deep, that even the most honourable of people who’re in the know are left with their teeth chattering at the mere thought of divulgence.

I am one of the select few privy to the biggest scam in the history of mankind. But I have had enough. I  can’t be a slave to the evil toothpaste industry any longer, my conscience hurts. It pains my teeth to keep it bottled even a second longer.  So I’m letting all of you in on this dirty secret. Even if the lives of my precious molars depend on it. At the risk of my gums getting sick with gingivitis I make this disclosure:

You see, people, just like other mammals, have teeth that are highly evolved. They do not require scrubbing by a fluoride ridden gluey substance. Or a brush for that matter.  Just rinsing your mouth after every meal and rubbing your homosapien tusks with your wet fingers before you go to bed will ensure you a have a sparkling set of 32 pearls for the entire duration of your life.  

Don’t believe me? Well then, explain this. There are tribes in remote corners of the Africa who have never seen a tooth paste or brush their entire lives and they have perfectly studded jaws till they die. I can provide you with a thousand more examples to prove my point.

But I can’t today. I think I have spoken too much already.

Time to brush my teeth. Polish them white, erase the treason I've just committed. For they can always identify the disloyal patron by the colour of his teethy smile. 

[mecch]

If you think that there is a hidden cure somewhere or that ARVs do more harm than good, then you are in denial.  If you somehow believe that being poz diminishes who we are, you are in denial.  If you believe that the flu is an OI, then you are ignorant about HIV and the danger it represents.  If you wish to discuss any issues, it would be nice if you could actually write in English, as this is not Twitter.  If you want people to reply, you need to show some respect for how the forum is presented.

But most important, is you cannot expect to come to this forum, one based on solid scientific knowledge regarding HIV and treatments and start claiming "conspiracy theories", by just spouting some AIDS denialist propaganda and expect to be taken seriously.

Hallelujah! 

Cramps, grow a pair and accept your limited knowledge, and that a vast network of doctors and research scientists, working over 25 years, probably millions of hours of disciplined thought, observation and research on HIV.

Otherwise, you die.  You want to die believing you have been a victim of a conspiracy, well that's even sadder.  Considering you admire LTS - who are here because of HAART.

[Hoover]

To the members of our fair community, I say she is a witch and we should
stone then burn her at the stake for her heresy!
It is the height of hubris to suggest the vile things she says.
Everyone knows there has never been a single conspiracy and there will
never be one.
What arrogance of her to suggest we might not be getting the truth.
The bastions of truth tell us the unvarnished and unbiased facts in 30
second sound bites so we can easily understand all complicated issues.
The corporate media and Fox news would NEVER lie.  They would never bow
to pressure from pharmaceutical companies that buy half the advertising
on the evening TV news each night peddling medications that are essential
to mental health, erection disorder, stomach acid, cholesterol control
and thousand of other pills we need to get through each miserable  day of
existence.  Take a pill, no need to worry. Take a pill, be happy.
Corporations would never willfully harm anyone for mere profits.
Utter nonsense. 
What was she thinking?

Lynn, even though you are taking your meds for a year now I am certain you are a denialist!
Shame on you.

Hoover

[mecch]

Shame on you, too, Hoover. You are more intelligent than this and you know very well that there is no cure for HIV.  And that the finances of HAART are a complicated matter and the fact that there are political questions to ask about it DOES NOT mean that HIV+ people should avoid HAART when they need it.  Shame on you.

[Hoover]

I said nothing about no cure or the working of meds!
Like everyone else on this site, I take my meds and hope for a cure.

My point is the arrogance of some members to act as if they know everything.
None of us know everything!
An open mind is not a bad thing.

Shame on you Mecch, you have seen more than what the US sells, you should know better.

Hoover

[mecch]

I must have misread your post.
I thought you were saying it is reasonable, critical, "against the establishment" thinking of cramps to believe there is a secret cure.
Or that pharma is so all powerful that they are dictacting global HIV treatment protocals.   Puleeeze.

[mecch]

A team of marketing experts at Chanel, and Karl Lagerfeld have managed to keep a premium value for No. 5 and the Chanel suit.  Doesn't mean No. 5 smells bad.  If you want the suit or the scent, you pay the damn price.

Apples and bloody oranges.  Pharma makes a bundle. What's that got to do with my health and the drugs that work.

[Hoover]

If you will reread my post, you will see that my underlying thought is that we do not know everything and to say we do is silly. That is all.

Pharmacies make a profit and we live. Good for us and them, that is business.

Hoover

[Growler]

I've known 4 d past 13 years that I'm +, so there's no denial concerns from my side, but I DO think that there's a cure somewhere & that ARV's r doing more harm than good.

I have been sworn to secrecy BUT I feel the worlds pain and my conscious now tells me it is time to share the TRUE news with the world YES THERE IS A CURE FOR HIV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I invented it and unlike those greedy pharmaceutical companies I AM going to share it with the world for FREE.

Take one large watermelon, coat generously in vegetable oil. Ease said watermelon intact into infected individuals rectum and hold in place for 12 hours, no more and no less.

HIV is attracted to the highly reactive tetra-methyl-cyrpo-megla-sploromogetha compound found only in watermelon grown in a very specific location known only to me!

TESTIMONIALS
Growler saved my life.......Sadie, Wisconsin
I'm no longer a diseased monster! Growler Knows the TRUTH. .....Billy Bob, Texas
The anal leakage is well worth it, Thanks Growler.......ANONYMOUS

PM me for seed catalogue and price list......2 to 1 offer TODAY ONLY

Growler

[mecch]

You are backpedalling.
The OP has whacky unsubstantiated beliefs about pharma profits being connected to hidden cures and/or bad medicine.  We are worried this is a DANGEROUS belief.  Political beliefs potentially hurting one's own health.

Seems to me you were cheering her on with a false analogy about Fox being a biased source of information.  Duh, we know that.  The OP knows that.  The OP believes that a flimsy, unresearched "questioning of the establishment" is enough to justify burying one's head in the sand about treatment.  ETAY territory. The lightmotif of the entire denialist movement.  

I said you know better than this, and you avail yourself of top notch doctors and medicine.  

Don't go around routing for underdog anti-establishment beliefs when these are based on crap intelligence gathering.  Its hypocritical.

[hope_for_a_cure]

Take one large watermelon, coat generously in vegetable oil. Ease said watermelon intact into infected individuals rectum and hold in place for 12 hours, no more and no less.

Please tell me its one of those minature mellons instead of the one as pictured here:

[WillyWump]

Well then, explain this. There are tribes in remote corners of the Africa who have never seen a tooth paste or brush their entire lives and they have perfectly studded jaws till they die.

ok Snaggletooth Ill explain it.. it's because the Pepsi and Coca Cola trucks dont go that far into the Jungle.

-Will

[Growler]

Please tell me its one of those minature mellons instead of the one as pictured here:

They Mocked Thomas Edison, They Mocked Paris Hilton,They Mocked Jesus Christ!!!!

Be ASSURED DEAR READER, that the LROD Knows the TRUTH and he has given it ME and I now share this with YOU!

AND REMEMBER>>>> if you can take a marathon of 50 diseased raw cocks to get yourself in this situation, then one little 25 inch watermelon should be a breeze!

GROWLER who is so close to Jesus that we share fashion tips...but I'm ALWAYS RIGHT!

PM for Seed Catalog and Price List

[hope_for_a_cure]

Was it Kevin Trudeau who wrote in his original Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About that HIV was curable by ingesting hydrogen peroxide?  

Edit/Add:  OK.. googled it and found that one needs to include 'organic, unrefined, extra virgin coconut oil' in conjunction with the hydrogen peroxide.  I like the watermelon cure more... would be LOTS more fun.  Thanks Growler!!

[leatherman]

I like the watermelon cure more... would be LOTS more fun. 

just don't do that silver stuff, cause you'll turn blue and we'll be talking about plump blueberries rather than watermelons. LOL

[phildinftlaudy]

[spacebarsux]

ok Snaggletooth Ill explain it.. it's because the Pepsi and Coca Cola trucks dont go that far into the Jungle.

-Will

They're actually deep in every jungle. It's an important sub-conspiracy.

The cola/pepsi guys are in bed with the tooth paste manufacturers, it's so bloody obvious.

The soft drink industry scandal is altogether different though. 

[Bucko]

I think there's a conspiracy against grammar.

I detest text-speak: ugh!

And no: there's no conspiracy, just a bucket-full of ignorance.

Brent
(Who's survived 27 years despite everything)

[aztecan]

U don't hve 2 b on meds 4 d rest of ur life, once they make d cure available 2 d public.
I might b against ARV's cos I've never been bedridden. D only serious opportunistic infection I've ever had 4 d past 13 years is 2-3 days flu.
I might be ungrateful cos I never faced death in d eye.

I really hope that reading all these blogs daily will change my mindset regarding ARV's.

I truly admire LTS's, who are on this blog & still so + regarding life.

Maybe I've been in denial all these years till I started ARV's - how pathetic could that be hey?

Hey Camps,

It is possible you are projecting a bit here. Denial comes in many forms.

I have known people who aren't out-and-out denialists who still come up with all kinds of theories about the meds. The main reason has often been that, as long as they don't start popping the pills every day, HIV can still be a somewhat esoteric, or even abstract, concept that affects someone else, but not them.

This isn't wrong, per se, because it is a method of coping until a person is able to take the next step and address their fears and, finally, learn to accept living with the bug. But it can be dangerous if the person never tries to take the next step and the virus takes its course.

I ignored being positive for the first seven years after I tested positive. Things were different then, in a lot of ways, but the upshot was i didn't face up to being positive until one day I finally, consciously, decided I had to face the music.  A good friend was the catalyst that help me take that step.

I was lucky because I suffered no ill effects from my delay in obtaining medical care. But, it could easily have gone the other way.

I hope the information you get here. and from your own doctor, will help you adjust to your status a bit more and allow you to continue with a fruitful and productive life.

HUGS,

Mark

[mecch]

TO THE OP,

I have read your other posts and understand that you have been on HAART for 2 years.  I now see that you have problems keeping weight on, and fatigue. So that these challenges are contributing to you thinking whack about HAART - ARVS and about the cure.

-----------------

Good day

Do u hve any idea wotz d cause of my tiredness and losing of weight?
Because I don't look good anymore, it causes me to be worried and depressed, & make me dispondent 2 go for tests & 2 d Dr, cos what it reveals is not how my body feel. I'm supposed 2 b "healthy", but don't feel that way.

I definetely don't wanna b fat, but want atleast some meat on my bones.

After reading some of d post yesterday, I thought maybe I should take a break from d meds, cos now I look as if I've got Aids already.

_________________

In that thread, you are talking about  a treatment interruption because you feel terrible on HAART and you look like you have AIDS.  So these two things are real challenges and you need to find solutions, but with your doctors and by talking to other people with HIV and AIDS for advice and understanding.

I want to apologize for not knowing that information when I posted hard words about your conspiracy beliefs.

As to how the body image and fatigue relate to your words in this thread, yes, I am worried.  It is an illogical and dangerous way of thinking.   There is no cure.  And HAART, and big pharma DO NOT have a master plan to poison you.  HAART is not poison, and is most likely NOT the reason you are so fatigued and have the AIDsy look.  It might be possible in a very very very rare instance that 2 years on Atripla have posed some noticeable body changes, but if you are that very very very rare person then you need to have this confirmed and treated by your doctor.

Deep down, you seem to not want to be on HAART, and are determined to find a justification for quitting.  All I can say there, again, is this
Do not quit because you believe HAART is poison, and behind HAART there is an evil plot to destroy the lives of millions using the drug.
If you continue in this way of thinking, it means you let HIV have power over your mind and body.   Your life will not go well from now on.  It is not the formula for kicking HIV into a dark little corner and go on living a good life.

This is where you need to educate yourself and start finding answers about the fatigue and weight loss, and maybe the body image issues and depression.

[Miss Philicia]

This is what believing in conspiracies does to your personality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_5zZZfvZk

Theresa Salcedo Cao, the heckler arrested for disrupting the opening day of Congress while the Constitution was being read, is featured in this mini-doc made almost half a year before her arrest.

[skeebo1969]

This is what believing in conspiracies does to your personality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_5zZZfvZk

Theresa Salcedo Cao, the heckler arrested for disrupting the opening day of Congress while the Constitution was being read, is featured in this mini-doc made almost half a year before her arrest.

I'll bet my left nut she's great in the sack.

[Buckmark]

I've searched this whole forum and couldn't pick up anybody talking bout how the pharmaceutical companies and our governments, make billions out of our disease. 

*Governments* are making billions from HIV?    Let me guess, they are getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies?      

Are all of u really making d best out of ur situations & accepted what happened?

That's called living life, dear.  I prefer not to spend time contriving grand conspiracy theories about HIV, while sitting back and letting HIV gnaw away at my immune system.

Now, if you're saying we've become complacent in not pushing pharmaceutical companies and governments for greater access to ARV medication, I can agree with that.  But given your next statement that's not what you mean.

I've known 4 d past 13 years that I'm +, so there's no denial concerns from my side, but I DO think that there's a cure somewhere & that ARV's r doing more harm than good.

Rubbish.  You are spewing denialist crap by stating that ARV medications do more harm than good. 

[wolfter]

As someone diagnosed before treatment options, I'm grateful for their greed.  Researchers aren't in it for the money, the person who finally discovers a cure will have their place written in history.  A conspiracy can not exist if more than one person knows about it. 

Perhaps doctors should prescribe AZT to all new patients for a few months so they'll have gratitude for the newer drugs that allows for a mostly normal existence

Wolfie, who outlived ALL his friends thanks to corporate greed.

[mecch]

Rubbish.  You are spewing denialist crap by stating that ARV medications do more harm than good. 

The OP wants to believe in sloppy generalizations because she has decided that her own decline in quality of life during 2 years on HAART must mean (for everyone of course) that HAART is poison and there is a global conspiracy.  She is not denying HIV.  But from there, yes, its pure emotional, selfish ignorance.

[Buckmark]

If you will reread my post, you will see that my underlying thought is that we do not know everything and to say we do is silly. That is all.

Pharmacies make a profit and we live. Good for us and them, that is business.

Hoover

When I reread your post, I don't see any specifics about your "underlying thoughts".  What I see is you piling on without adding any specifics or details as to the supposed "conspiracy", or your own thoughts about it.  Then when challenged, of course, you revert to telling people that we misunderstood you. 

[LM]

Actually, governments are the ones who are realizing that the current state of things cannot continue much longer. People with HIV are not dying as much, and more people are joining the ranks every year. To keep paying for ARVs for everyone is not practical, so they are getting more interested in a cure/vaccine.

[Ann]

I think some light would be shed on Camps' line of thinking when you know that she lives in a country whose government harbours - or at least has harboured in the recent past - very vocal hiv denialists. It's not a huge surprise (when you know) that she has been confused by people she should have been able to count on for truth when it comes to health matters. (We all know politicians lie, but we also should be able to expect scientific truth when it comes to health matters.)

So please, folks, show some compassion instead of giving Camps a hard time. Thanks!

[camps]

Whoa didn't think I'd get such a huge audience. Couldn't wait to get to my office to see if there's somebody out there, would b able to help.
I must say its kinda nice chatting 2 people who're in d same situation as myself.
I got some advise which could help me & some which I'm just gonna ignore.

Ann & Hoover thanks 4 d personal messages.