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Title: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 12, 2010, 02:56:53 pm
I know there are arguments for and against vit pills but lets leave those aside, so if you do take supplements what are they.?
I live in spain and eat a healthy meditterenean diet but have recently started taking supplements.
Omega 3
Vit D
Selenium
Multivit with minerals.


I guess im trying to find out if im missing anything that could be important.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 12, 2010, 04:19:06 pm
Fish oil/omega 3
Calcium
Vitamin D
multivitamin

All discussed with my doctors...
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 12, 2010, 06:04:18 pm
These are the supplements I take:

NAC 600 mg 2 x daily   
Selenium 200 MCG 2 x daily   
SOD 3 x daily       
Beta Glucan 2 x daily   
Shilajit 2 x daily 
Saventaro3x daily first 10 days then 1 x daily
Silver water 2 ounces daily (for parasites here in Central America)
Reservatrol 50mg  (not with super cat’s claw) 1-2 x daily   
Cat’s claw 50 mg 3 x daily   
Astragalus root 500 mg 1-2 tabs 3 x daily         
Q-10 ultra 90mg  26 x daily
Hyperbaric chamber daily for 90 minutes at 8 lbs pressure and 100% oxygen.

Most these are anti-oxidants and are good for anti-aging if nothing else.
Presently I am not on HIV meds, only supplements and my doctor is cool with it.
I take my CD4 tests about once a month and always at 7am while fasting.
CD4s change through out the day and I believe should always be taken at the same time.
As time progresses I will drop some of these meds and see how my CD4 react.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 12, 2010, 06:21:36 pm
I take two adult gummi vitamins a day. Three if I am extra hungry.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 12, 2010, 06:25:21 pm
I take two adult gummi vitamins a day. Three if I am extra hungry.

You should really think about adding another 20+ unnecessary/useless pills to that regimen.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 12, 2010, 10:42:20 pm
and you should think about therapy.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 12, 2010, 10:55:26 pm
and you should think about therapy.


Guess you don't have to much thinking when you're in a hyperbaric chamber. ::)

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 13, 2010, 12:39:30 am
many of us do not have hundreds of dollars (a lot of money) to toss around for unproven supplements. Heck, many of us can barely afford our prescription HIV meds, assuming we can at all (ADAP lists?)

Thing is, unless we are diagnosed with a specific deficiency by a doctor, taking a boatload of pills will not, as has been proven scientifically, do anything to boost or maintain our immune system.

It sucks money out of our thin wallets that would be MUCH better spent on buying nutritious fresh (or frozen, not canned) food.

 And movies. And maybe whiskey.



Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Ann on September 13, 2010, 08:47:10 am
Definitely whiskey. Definitely.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 13, 2010, 01:12:41 pm
many of us do not have hundreds of dollars (a lot of money) to toss around for unproven supplements. Heck, many of us can barely afford our prescription HIV meds, assuming we can at all (ADAP lists?)

Thing is, unless we are diagnosed with a specific deficiency by a doctor, taking a boatload of pills will not, as has been proven scientifically, do anything to boost or maintain our immune system.

It sucks money out of our thin wallets that would be MUCH better spent on buying nutritious fresh (or frozen, not canned) food.

 And movies. And maybe whiskey.




If you read my thread i said im not intrested in arguments for or against i was directing the question at those people who take supplements.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 13, 2010, 02:24:03 pm
For some reason some people would rather criticize and ridicule than just share information.
The question asked was, "What supplements are you taking."

Presently I am sure there are lots of my supplements doing nothing helpful and will attempt to weed them out with monthly testing of my CD4s. Hopefully I will be able to offer the reduced list and lab tests to others if and when that time comes.

Cheers,
Hoover
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 13, 2010, 02:40:38 pm
For some reason some people would rather criticize and ridicule than just share information.
The question asked was, "What supplements are you taking."

Presently I am sure there are lots of my supplements doing nothing helpful and will attempt to weed them out with monthly testing of my CD4s. Hopefully I will be able to offer the reduced list and lab tests to others if and when that time comes.

Cheers,
Hoover

If you're taking, say, twenty different supplements how do you figure out which one is working and which isn't?

At any rate, correlation does not imply causation, so in the absence of studying each supplement by itself and how it effect one's immune system there's little room for any discussion.

Not a single person here has denied you the personal freedom to do whatever you wish with your body.  We're just trying to point out that whatever you think is being so successful in raising you lab numbers isn't necessarily true -- unless you were to halt everything you were doing for six months and see if it's all illusory then what more is there to say, but I'd bet money that you're not willing to do that.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 13, 2010, 03:59:21 pm
If you read my thread i said im not intrested in arguments for or against i was directing the question at those people who take supplements.

That's not the way internet message boards work. These sorts of discussions almost always tend to range more widely than the OP might have intended. You just have to live with it.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 13, 2010, 04:03:13 pm
If you read my thread i said im not intrested in arguments for or against i was directing the question at those people who take supplements.

I was not arguing, I was discussing. As this is an open thread, I do have that right. Besides, a lot of people read these things without contributing, for many reasons. I would hate to see questionable science go ... unquestioned.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 13, 2010, 04:22:50 pm
Miss Philicia,

Thank you for your concern, I am sure you have seen it all by now.
You are correct in that I will not be willing to stop all the supplements for a 6 month period.
With that said, I will drop a few and test the CD4s each month. Yes that is limited, but that is the way I intend to do it. (the chamber developed an issue and was shipped to France today so we will see how the next CD4 tests go without its' influence)

Our daughter was a type A personality full of life to an exhausted young adult.I thought she had HIV and tested her for it but she is negative. She tested positive for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Her doctor put her on most of these supplements. In two months she has gone from sleeping 15 hours a day to exercising, feeling better and looking for a job. A month after getting her on the road to wellness, I tested positive and started it on myself.
My anti-aging doctor takes and prescribes all these supplements and regularly has our labs done to check for problems. First rule in the medical field is "do no harm" and the lab work indicates no problems thus far.

In our country lab work is not expensive and you go to it like any store and get what you want done without a doctor prescribing. Last time I checked with WHO, our country is #3 in the world in health care with the US at #27. I feel confident that my actions are causing no harm, but am not implying that they are helping either. Time will tell one way or the other.

Cheers,
Hoover

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 13, 2010, 04:37:53 pm
Miss Philicia,

Thank you for your concern, I am sure you have seen it all by now.
You are correct in that I will not be willing to stop all the supplements for a 6 month period.
With that said, I will drop a few and test the CD4s each month. Yes that is limited, but that is the way I intend to do it. (the chamber developed an issue and was shipped to France today so we will see how the next CD4 tests go without its' influence)

Our daughter was a type A personality full of life to an exhausted young adult.I thought she had HIV and tested her for it but she is negative. She tested positive for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Her doctor put her on most of these supplements. In two months she has gone from sleeping 15 hours a day to exercising, feeling better and looking for a job. A month after getting her on the road to wellness, I tested positive and started it on myself.
My anti-aging doctor takes and prescribes all these supplements and regularly has our labs done to check for problems. First rule in the medical field is "do no harm" and the lab work indicates no problems thus far.

In our country lab work is not expensive and you go to it like any store and get what you want done without a doctor prescribing. Last time I checked with WHO, our country is #3 in the world in health care with the US at #27. I feel confident that my actions are causing no harm, but am not implying that they are helping either. Time will tell one way or the other.

Cheers,
Hoover


J. Edgar,

The fact that you have an "anti-aging" doctor speaks volumes of how you view healthcare and I suspect that any meaningful dialogue with you on these issues is probably pointless.

You are quite free to indulge yourself with all and any manner of unproven (supplements) and ludicrous (hyperbaric therapy) practices. If you wish to spend your money in this way, feel free. Given your CD4 count, HAART is not necessary in your case, at this stage.

In future you might want to avoid fallcious arguments like the one you've offered about the US being ranked 27 on some WHO list whilst your county clocks in at number 3. You come across as snide and uninformed.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: newt on September 13, 2010, 05:29:25 pm
Okay, so according to your signature your body is controlling the virus well, supplements or no, we'll never know...good. I like. I like lots.

But this...


Quote
Hyperbaric chamber daily for 90 minutes at 8 lbs pressure and 100% oxygen.

You pay for this? v labwork!?! or a pension plan?

- matt
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 13, 2010, 05:39:50 pm
Matt,

I am still not sure about the chamber, but it has caused the severed nerves to grow back in my partner's jaw after surgery two years ago. Hospitals use the chamber to help wounds heal, grow back nerves, treat migraines, alter the brain chemistry of autistic children and even treat Lyme's disease.
(Maybe my brain has been altered?)

We are old and retired queers, what else will we spend our money on?
I can make the expensive mistakes, share my results and possibly save others from my folly.

Hoover
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Boze on September 13, 2010, 06:37:57 pm
Hoover,

Don't let the naysayers get you down. I say try them out, see how they work and whether they improve things for you.
I would stay away from anybody trying to sell an expensive supplement that's advertised as made purely for HIV. However that's rare - most things can be bought fairly cheaply and are good for the body overall.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 13, 2010, 06:45:13 pm
Hoover,

Don't let the naysayers get you down. I say try them out, see how they work and whether they improve things for you.
I would stay away from anybody trying to sell an expensive supplement that's advertised as made purely for HIV. However that's rare - most things can be bought fairly cheaply and are good for the body overall.


Hey Bozie, do you think Hoovs will give you a go in his hyperbaric doo-hickey?

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: WillyWump on September 13, 2010, 06:52:27 pm
Multi-vitamin, NAC and Extra Vit C (only because I like to see how dark I can get my Pee-Pee)

-Will
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 13, 2010, 07:10:58 pm
n.b. the doc told me to double the fish oil today to two tabs -- 2000 whatever-the-measurement-units-are-for-fish-oil  (triglycerides   -- sigh).  No doubt I shall have to modify my entry in the fragrance thread  ;)
During the brief interval that I wasn't on a norvir boosted protease inhibitor my cholesterol, triglycerides and blood sugar were all normal without a statin (although I didn't drop the fish oil).  Too bad Isentress screwed up my liver and muscles.   ::)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Boze on September 13, 2010, 07:22:15 pm
Hey Bozie, do you think Hoovs will give you a go in his hyperbaric doo-hickey?

MtD

I'd love to give it a spin. Hopefully won't need it for some years :)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 13, 2010, 07:35:08 pm
I'd love to give it a spin. Hopefully won't need it for some years :)

He might hop in with you, pet. You two can whisper sweetly to one another about tincture of milk thistle and decoction of she-oak at 25 atmospheres.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 13, 2010, 07:57:00 pm
He might hop in with you, pet. You two can whisper sweetly to one another about tincture of milk thistle and decoction of she-oak at 25 atmospheres.

MtD

You know if you think about girls while you're doing it it doesn't count.  Alternatively, as long as your balls never touch...it's still not gay.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: mecch on September 13, 2010, 08:21:03 pm
To the OP
If you want to peruse a good list of supplements and HIV, I recommended the CATIE supplement sheets.

http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/supplement+sheets
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 13, 2010, 10:24:24 pm
Thanks for the encouragement Boze.
Actually I feel much better after hitting the ignore button on a few a-holes.
(queen down under, dude from hell and the hateful hobbit, please refer your vile towards your viewing audience as I do not respect your negative views and have blocked you.)
I have said it all that pertains to HIV and my experiences to this date and will report when my next labs come due.  I have spent years researching the perfect sex drugs, techniques to restore foreskin and cure for Peyrones disease, but that is for a different group.

Cheers from Central America.
Hoover
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Ann on September 14, 2010, 07:11:05 am
Last time I checked with WHO, our country is #3 in the world in health care with the US at #27.

Hoover, the last time WHO did the health ranking by country thing was in 2000. The country which ranked third was San Marino, and last time I checked that was a small republic within Italy, not Central America.

The US ranked 37 and the country from which your IP originates ranked 36. Quite a bit different to what you portray. Just sayin'.... Oh, and the UK ranked 18. :)


Actually I feel much better after hitting the ignore button on a few a-holes.
(queen down under, dude from hell and the hateful hobbit, please refer your vile towards your viewing audience as I do not respect your negative views and have blocked you.)

You know, the a-hole and hateful hobbit comments are pretty close to a personal attack (name calling) and that isn't permitted here. You can debate and disagree with people all you like, but watch the name calling. Make sure you read our posting guidelines found in the main Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=277.0). Thank you for your cooperation.

Ann
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 14, 2010, 03:53:00 pm
Hijack
As the OP this is why i wrote my thread carefully and put the question to people who take supplements we all know there are many arguments for and against which i asked if we could leave aside. I think some of you have been quite rude to hoover just because he takes what he takes thats his choice .
Maybe start an anti supplement thread to vent your personal thoughts.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 14, 2010, 04:20:22 pm
Ann thanks for the updated numbers on how Costa Rica rates.
Apparently the numbers that the medical establishments post are outdated.
They show Japan, France then Costa Rica.
UK is number 18?
I LOVE London, maybe that can be a good excuse for us to summer in Europe!

Thanks for the kindness Tommy. Yes I am new to this and will probably learn a lot as time progresses.
I may even look back and wonder what I was thinking with all these supplements, but for now I think I am doing the right thing.
Even great wine (Whiskey) turns into expensive pee.

Cheers from paradise,
Hoover
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 14, 2010, 04:40:54 pm
Ann thanks for the updated numbers on how Costa Rica rates.
Apparently the numbers that the medical establishments post are outdated.
They show Japan, France then Costa Rica.
UK is number 18?
I LOVE London, maybe that can be a good excuse for us to summer in Europe!

Thanks for the kindness Tommy. Yes I am new to this and will probably learn a lot as time progresses.
I may even look back and wonder what I was thinking with all these supplements, but for now I think I am doing the right thing.
Even great wine (Whiskey) turns into expensive pee.

Cheers from paradise,
Hoover


You might also realize that you have placed in "ignore" some of the most knowledgeable, well-read, well-researched and well-regarded members in this forum.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Boze on September 14, 2010, 06:14:44 pm
You know if you think about girls while you're doing it it doesn't count.  Alternatively, as long as your balls never touch...it's still not gay.

Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: WillyWump on September 14, 2010, 08:11:32 pm
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? 

No.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: phildinftlaudy on September 14, 2010, 08:21:46 pm
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: denb45 on September 14, 2010, 08:22:37 pm
Definitely whiskey. Definitely.

Hell YES........whiskey. Definitely....... along with omega 3 fish oil and a one a day mulit-vitamin, also will chew on a smal clove of garlic and sometimes a small piece of ginger root, this keeps all the oral buggers at bay  ;D
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: WillyWump on September 14, 2010, 08:24:11 pm
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

You seem to be doing that alot lately, you really should start Prilosec or something.

-W
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: denb45 on September 14, 2010, 08:26:19 pm
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?

Oh Please, I've done it with several Str8 guys, and I really wasn't all that impressed sexually with any of them at all, I don't like hand holding and baby sitting any grown man, it's BORING  ;)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: phildinftlaudy on September 14, 2010, 08:28:27 pm
You seem to be doing that alot lately, you really should start Prilosec or something.

-W
I know -
It may be the vitamins and supplements I'm taking -- I'm just sayin' ;)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 14, 2010, 08:59:56 pm
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?

No fantasy for me baby. I'm a master at getting straight meat into the sack.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 14, 2010, 09:07:44 pm
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?

Puhleez. The skraits are so boring. They have so many hang ups and limitations that it gets annoying. And believe you me, they are really easy to "turn" gay; just take a look at mancunt or adam4adam and count how many "bi curious," married, and supposedly straight men are looking for cock.

I think the real fantasy is the opposite: many, if not most, straight fools would love to get their dick sucked by another dude. They're just too socially conditioned to openly admit it.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 15, 2010, 02:15:09 am
Puhleez. The skraits are so boring. They have so many hang ups and limitations that it gets annoying. And believe you me, they are really easy to "turn" gay; just take a look at mancunt or adam4adam and count how many "bi curious," married, and supposedly straight men are looking for cock.

I think the real fantasy is the opposite: many, if not most, straight fools would love to get their dick sucked by another dude. They're just too socially conditioned to openly admit it.

Word.  I actually know a lot of straight guys who like to joke about being gay.  They are the ones who thought up all the exceptions to having sex with a man, but would still make you straight.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 15, 2010, 02:37:51 am
God, when i was in my twenties, it seemed hot to seduce a straight guy. Them when I discovered what sloppy hot messes of paranoia and crazy there was in that "questioning" community, I quickly grew out of it.

Also, Republican sperm tastes like asparagus and coffee.

Back to the OP, I am still waiting for a study that signals, barring a specific and noted deficiency, the actual help that supplements DO for HIV, specifically CD4 count.

Until VERY recently, vitamins in the USA were using the same formula cooked up prior to and during World War ONE to assist soldiers who were suffering from many vitamin deficiencies in their extended stays, with terrible diets, in European foxholes.

Even now, the tweaks made are based on broad estimates of the population. I absolutely agree that no one will keel over from taking a multivitamin, eating a healthy diet consisting of many vegetables and high quality proteins, staying hydrated, and exercising when possible.

But I remember the mid 1990s, when "mega-dosing" was in vogue for the HIV community. Taking TOXIC levels of vitamins and minerals. I knew people who died from that, including several prominent leaders of the gay community here where I lived, and live still.

Over The Counter is not the same as Non-Toxic. Especially when we mix and brew our own "cocktails" with seeming ignorance of the potential ramifications. More especially when we mix THAT with HAART, which is likely the most powerful chemotherapy we will likely experience outside of supervised doctor supervision.

So yes, I am a skeptic. And not at all hateful, actually. Hateful would be to let poor suckers die to prove my point, without making a stink.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Nestor on September 15, 2010, 08:49:45 am
I know there are arguments for and against vit pills but lets leave those aside, so if you do take supplements what are they.?
I live in spain and eat a healthy meditterenean diet but have recently started taking supplements.
Omega 3
Vit D
Selenium
Multivit with minerals.


I guess im trying to find out if im missing anything that could be important.

Hi Tommy,

Sporadically (I'm not disciplined enough to take anything consistently) I take

Cod liver oil (mainly in winter or if I feel under the weather)
A flax oil/borage oil mix (only when skin issues act up)
a multivitamin (this is a new thing, and I'm still ambivalent about it.  I've always belonged to the "one can get all one's vitamins and minerals from a healthy diet" camp but have recently been having second thoughts about that.)
Reishi (mainly in hopes of preventing cancer)
Cordyceps

A lot of things that some people take in the form of supplements are for me simply a normal part of my diet and have been since long before I had HIV--garlic, fish, bitter melon, green tea, shiitake mushrooms, for example. 

As for probiotics, I eat a lot of cultured foods, not only yogurt and kefir but lots of fermented vegetables (kimchi, natto) and I think I get them from that source. 

Does anyone have any really good information about alpha lipoic acid?  A friend recommends it strongly.  But it's not the type of thing I can see myself taking.  Of course I've done the standard google but nothing I find really satisfies me. 
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Nestor on September 15, 2010, 08:52:26 am
Is this like a major fantasy for you guys - doing it with a straight guy? Kinda like men love virgins?

No!
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: veritas on September 15, 2010, 09:19:15 am

Nestor,

Here you go----- ALA:

http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69117.cfm

I trust Sloan-Kettering.

v
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Boze on September 15, 2010, 03:07:03 pm
No fantasy for me baby. I'm a master at getting straight meat into the sack.

MtD

If he's in your sack he ain't straight. Definition, baby :)

Puhleez. The skraits are so boring. They have so many hang ups and limitations that it gets annoying. And believe you me, they are really easy to "turn" gay; just take a look at mancunt or adam4adam and count how many "bi curious," married, and supposedly straight men are looking for cock.

I think the real fantasy is the opposite: many, if not most, straight fools would love to get their dick sucked by another dude. They're just too socially conditioned to openly admit it.

Yes, exactly - so they are probably just closeted gays.

I personally don't think any straight guys 'would love' to be sucked off by a dude. They may agree barring other options but if they 'would love' I doubt how straight they are.
 
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 15, 2010, 03:43:21 pm
Quite childish really some of you intentionally trying to turn a simple thread about what vits people take into some sort of sex thread , grow up.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Jeff G on September 15, 2010, 03:47:10 pm
If he's in your sack he ain't straight. Definition, baby :)

Yes, exactly - so they are probably just closeted gays.

I personally don't think any straight guys 'would love' to be sucked off by a dude. They may agree barring other options but if they 'would love' I doubt how straight they are.
 

I seem to remember it was you who is intensely curious as to how it feels to take a cock up the back door . You should hire a rent boy since you cant stay away form gay sex topics . Just keep telling yourself this when he slips it in ... it ain't gay if ya don't push back .
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: madbrain on September 15, 2010, 06:12:45 pm
I know there are arguments for and against vit pills but lets leave those aside, so if you do take supplements what are they.?
I live in spain and eat a healthy meditterenean diet but have recently started taking supplements.
Omega 3
Vit D
Selenium
Multivit with minerals.


I guess im trying to find out if im missing anything that could be important.

For the last few months I have been down to only 2 supplements - one vitamin D 5000 IU softgel to counter side effects from several meds, and melatonin to help with sleep. I have a 1 year supply of many more supplements I stopped taking. I may cycle through them over time, but I will most likely have some excess.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: mecch on September 15, 2010, 06:42:26 pm
When in doubt, run your supplement list by a good ID doctor and see what advice you get. 

(Also, ps - jkinatl2 - those HIV+ people who took toxic levels of vitamins - they died from poisonous supplements, really????, or AIDS?  People saw IDs before there was HAART and I don't think any doctor would let a patient poison himself to death with supplements.)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Boze on September 15, 2010, 07:26:09 pm
I seem to remember it was you who is intensely curious as to how it feels to take a cock up the back door . You should hire a rent boy since you cant stay away form gay sex topics . Just keep telling yourself this when he slips it in ... it ain't gay if ya don't push back .

My, how we perceive things through our own eyes. Since you clearly didn't get why I was asking, I'll spell it out. I was not interested for my own experience  - if I was I could just stick something up there and see how it felt. I was interested how gay bottoms get to orgasm from purely scientific curiosity. There just aren't enough nerve ending to get an orgasm (some people can come from pure thought - I am not talking about those) - so  men usually need penis stimulation to come. It has **nothing** to do with myself or my sex life.


Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 15, 2010, 07:34:33 pm
My, how we perceive things through our own eyes. Since you clearly didn't get why I was asking, I'll spell it out. I was not interested for my own experience  - if I was I could just stick something up there and see how it felt. I was interested how gay bottoms get to orgasm from purely scientific curiosity. There just aren't enough nerve ending to get an orgasm (some people can come from pure thought - I am not talking about those) - so  men usually need penis stimulation to come. It has **nothing** to do with myself or my sex life.

A similar argument is mounted (!) by those curious types who turn up to accident and emergency departments with various objects lodged in their botties.

Well doctor, I slipped in shower and the next thing I knew the removable showerhead was suddenly unremovable . . .

Or words to that effect. :)

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Jeff G on September 15, 2010, 08:26:15 pm
My, how we perceive things through our own eyes. Since you clearly didn't get why I was asking, I'll spell it out. I was not interested for my own experience  - if I was I could just stick something up there and see how it felt. I was interested how gay bottoms get to orgasm from purely scientific curiosity. There just aren't enough nerve ending to get an orgasm (some people can come from pure thought - I am not talking about those) - so  men usually need penis stimulation to come. It has **nothing** to do with myself or my sex life.




Good luck with your research project .
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 15, 2010, 10:32:43 pm
... from purely scientific curiosity....

Lube them test tubes laddie
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Dachshund on September 15, 2010, 11:00:22 pm
- if I was I could just stick something up there and see how it felt

In the name of all that is science, please do. However, I suspect you've already tried this experiment.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: pozoz on September 15, 2010, 11:45:56 pm
I take a multi called Multi Essentials made by BioCeuticals in Australia.

I have mine with lunch every day, then my meds with dinner.

That first pee after taking the vitamin is very dark, like a lime/flouro/colour.

Not sure if I'll continue after the 90 day bottle is gone, but I'm thinking maybe if my pee is so dark after taking it I might not need the extra vitamins and minerals and maybe it's a waste of money ($AUD $35 for 90 tablets, which is pretty cheap really) and also a slight concern that I'm overloading on things I simply don't need....Peace ....

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: natthai on September 16, 2010, 07:50:39 am
Hell YES........whiskey. Definitely....... along with omega 3 fish oil and a one a day mulit-vitamin, also will chew on a smal clove of garlic and sometimes a small piece of ginger root, this keeps all the oral buggers at bay  ;D

you might want to consider my recently uncovered research regarding including smoking as a prophylactic for KS.

http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/16105704/Cigarette_smoke_concentrate_inhibits_Kaposi_s_sarcoma-associated_herpesvirus_infection
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: natthai on September 16, 2010, 07:53:03 am
For the last few months I have been down to only 2 supplements - one vitamin D 5000 IU softgel to counter side effects from several meds, and melatonin to help with sleep. I have a 1 year supply of many more supplements I stopped taking. I may cycle through them over time, but I will most likely have some excess.


melatonin, interesting, anyone else taking this one? or melatonin + calcium?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: natthai on September 16, 2010, 07:59:47 am
I wonder how much of a placebo effect taking vitamins and supplements plays? Is anyone aware of any studies regarding HIV and the placebo effect? I suspect that many people want to do something proactive before they start conventional treatment as this disease leaves you feeling so helpless and taking vitamins and things seems like the only option even if it is just a placebo effect.

For those where treatment is not currently indicated, what would you suggest an individual can do, if anything before it is time to start treatment?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 16, 2010, 09:32:28 am
melatonin for sleep:

I take 5mg melatonin for sleep and it works great.
Also I used to get up nightly to pee until my doctor prescribed progesterone slow release capsules.
Without progesterone levels high enough you don't get into a deep sleep. At least that is what I was told and it seems to work. Hell I used to have to pee 3 times a night sometimes!!
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 16, 2010, 01:53:23 pm
melatonin, interesting, anyone else taking this one? or melatonin + calcium?

I have taken melatonin for sleep issues. It works, but I have noticed I am very groggy the next day. Oddly, when using pot, I awake refreshed. It seems to be one of the few drugs that does this.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: natthai on September 16, 2010, 01:56:06 pm
I have taken melatonin for sleep issues. It works, but I have noticed I am very groggy the next day. Oddly, when using pot, I awake refreshed. It seems to be one of the few drugs that does this.



You could try to reduce the dose, a large study I think at John Hopkins that studied it, showed that the common 3mg dose found in many supplements was way too much.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 16, 2010, 02:30:04 pm
You could try to reduce the dose, a large study I think at John Hopkins that studied it, showed that the common 3mg dose found in many supplements was way too much.

That is actually a great idea. I don't like relying on harsh stuff to put me to sleep, and like to have an arsenal of different products. Would be great to add Melatonin back to that mix again.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 16, 2010, 02:47:11 pm
I seem to remember it was you who is intensely curious as to how it feels to take a cock up the back door . You should hire a rent boy since you cant stay away form gay sex topics . Just keep telling yourself this when he slips it in ... it ain't gay if ya don't push back .

Hey why dont you take your sex life to the off topic section and start a public sex thread not everyone wants to read this crap.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: natthai on September 16, 2010, 03:24:12 pm
That is actually a great idea. I don't like relying on harsh stuff to put me to sleep, and like to have an arsenal of different products. Would be great to add Melatonin back to that mix again.


specifically they found the .3 was almost as effective as 3mg if I recall correctly however and .3 was much more effective than 20mg so its a strange dose range or there is a point of diminishing returns. I will look for the study.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 16, 2010, 03:52:52 pm
Hey why dont you take your sex life to the off topic section and start a public sex thread not everyone wants to read this crap.

Actually it was Boze who started the butt-secks stuff not Jonathan JG1962, so lighten up Francis. :)

MtD

/edit: fingered the wrong motherfucker/
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Jeff G on September 16, 2010, 04:00:00 pm
Hey why dont you take your sex life to the off topic section and start a public sex thread not everyone wants to read this crap.


Vitamin B complex , Vitaman C ,Co Enzyme Q10 and Zinc are all known to help with stress during these difficult times .  ;D
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: madbrain on September 16, 2010, 04:55:46 pm
You could try to reduce the dose, a large study I think at John Hopkins that studied it, showed that the common 3mg dose found in many supplements was way too much.

Indeed. I think as little as 300micrograms is OK. I take 1mg slow-release.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Nestor on September 16, 2010, 06:42:56 pm
Quite childish really some of you intentionally trying to turn a simple thread about what vits people take into some sort of sex thread , grow up.

Try not to let it bother you; it happens all the time.  Just keep bringing it back to the original topic. 

Veritas--thanks for the link! 
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Dachshund on September 16, 2010, 07:10:09 pm
Can anyone suggest some good vitamin suppositories?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 16, 2010, 07:12:44 pm
Can anyone suggest some good vitamin suppositories?

Or a vitamin infused, mineral rich, dildo?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 16, 2010, 07:14:22 pm
Or a vitamin infused, mineral rich, dildo?

ask Yury Zavalsky's nephew (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/gay-porn-stash-in-school/415867.html)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Jeff G on September 16, 2010, 07:18:45 pm
Or a vitamin infused, mineral rich, dildo?

There are many vegetables that are loaded with vitamins and minerals that can be used as a dildo . 
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 16, 2010, 07:19:32 pm
ask Yury Zavalsky's nephew (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/gay-porn-stash-in-school/415867.html)

Dasvidaniya, Yuri! :)

Can anyone suggest some good vitamin suppositories?

Or perhaps supplement enhanced colonics? In the style of a good old fashioned retention enema.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 16, 2010, 07:23:15 pm
Dasvidaniya, Yuri! :)

Seems ole Yury also liked inflatable dolls and young Indonesian boys (http://www.mn.ru/society/20100913/188039518.html).
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: skeebo1969 on September 16, 2010, 07:24:26 pm
There are many vegetables that are loaded with vitamins and minerals that can be used as a dildo . 


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ByJseLaZovM/SwSjLexqMNI/AAAAAAAAB38/3wpYj-KOwZE/s400/Picture_1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: denb45 on September 16, 2010, 07:26:39 pm
Dasvidaniya, Yuri! :)

Or perhaps supplement enhanced colonics? In the style of a good old fashioned retention enema.

MtD

Are coffee enemas still all the rage, I know they use to be yrs ago  ;D
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: denb45 on September 16, 2010, 07:30:31 pm

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ByJseLaZovM/SwSjLexqMNI/AAAAAAAAB38/3wpYj-KOwZE/s400/Picture_1024.jpg)
 skeebo stop scaring us with these things  ;D you might give someone ideas  :D
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 16, 2010, 07:31:10 pm
  skeebo stop scaring us with these things  ;D someone might take this the wrong way  :D

Skeeter certainly does.

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 16, 2010, 07:37:54 pm
There are many vegetables that are loaded with vitamins and minerals that can be used as a dildo .  

Red peppers are loaded with nutrients.  Uh... Dude... You said load.

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/48f88ae8.jpg)

(http://www.whfoods.com/foodchart.php?id=50)

I wonder if they is good for teh HIV.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 16, 2010, 07:44:20 pm
Red peppers are loaded with nutrients.  Uh... Dude... You said loaded.

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/48f88ae8.jpg)

Ok that pictar is simply made of win.  I award it a Parrot of Fabulousness. :)

(http://tool.shagnasty.net/wiki/images/f/f4/Ta77XirPVqlyac7eVA83xbFQo1_500.jpg)

MtD
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Jeff G on September 16, 2010, 07:48:05 pm
Red peppers are loaded with nutrients.  Uh... Dude... You said load.

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/48f88ae8.jpg)

(http://www.whfoods.com/foodchart.php?id=50)

I wonder if they is good for teh HIV.


Kindly keep peter pipers angry red pepper peter away from me . But I love the bird ! 
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 16, 2010, 07:51:36 pm
Kindly keep peter pipers angry red pepper peter away from me . But I love the bird ! 

This was just a "beginners sample" that I picked for Boze.

Us hardcore queens need more sizable peppers.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 18, 2010, 08:48:40 am
My final comment in this thread is that i find it rather sad that many of you seem to treat hiv as a joke . If you want to have your fun and discuss sticking vegetables and dildos up each others arses then good for you but it should be in the off topic section. I am intrested in what people are taking as supplements as are many others but the thread has been intentionally ruined to the point where one has to read 5 arse fucking comments to every one vitamin comment. It might come as a surprise that not all readers want to read all that drivel.
Some of you live on here 24-7 are well informed and at ease with hiv, alot of us are newbies still dealing with it and learning about it , just because you post alot doesnt give you the right to abuse threads or fellow posters . i dont think anyone clicking on this site for the first time would be to impressed reading all this,im surprised the mods allow such mockery to be honest.
To help you along the way i have started a thread for you in the off topic section.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 18, 2010, 11:25:35 am
My final comment in this thread is that i find it rather sad that many of you seem to treat hiv as a joke . If you want to have your fun and discuss sticking vegetables and dildos up each others arses then good for you but it should be in the off topic section. I am intrested in what people are taking as supplements as are many others but the thread has been intentionally ruined to the point where one has to read 5 arse fucking comments to every one vitamin comment. It might come as a surprise that not all readers want to read all that drivel.
Some of you live on here 24-7 are well informed and at ease with hiv, alot of us are newbies still dealing with it and learning about it , just because you post alot doesnt give you the right to abuse threads or fellow posters . i dont think anyone clicking on this site for the first time would be to impressed reading all this,im surprised the mods allow such mockery to be honest.
To help you along the way i have started a thread for you in the off topic section.

Just as a point of reference you were diagnosed before me and if you haven't come to terms with that diagnosis enough to joke about it slightly I really do feel sorry for you.  Aside from that the supplementation horse has been beaten to death and has no merit in the actual nutrition thread in my mind.

It is akin to pseudo science since there is very little in the way of documentation.  Sorry if you're upset that the rest of us were poking a little fun, but losing your top over it is kinda juvenile in my opinion.  Ignore us/them and put your thread back on topic.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 18, 2010, 11:30:19 am
My final comment in this thread is that i find it rather sad that many of you seem to treat hiv as a joke . If you want to have your fun and discuss sticking vegetables and dildos up each others arses then good for you but it should be in the off topic section. I am intrested in what people are taking as supplements as are many others but the thread has been intentionally ruined to the point where one has to read 5 arse fucking comments to every one vitamin comment. It might come as a surprise that not all readers want to read all that drivel.
Some of you live on here 24-7 are well informed and at ease with hiv, alot of us are newbies still dealing with it and learning about it , just because you post alot doesnt give you the right to abuse threads or fellow posters . i dont think anyone clicking on this site for the first time would be to impressed reading all this,im surprised the mods allow such mockery to be honest.
To help you along the way i have started a thread for you in the off topic section.

Bad, bad, bad girls.

Somebody's feelings got hurt.  Somebody needs a hug!

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/New_VirtualHug.jpg)

Or if that one is too gay we can also offer this one:

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/images-1.jpg)





Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: sharkdiver on September 18, 2010, 11:43:31 am
My final comment in this thread is that i find it rather sad that many of you seem to treat hiv as a joke . If you want to have your fun and discuss sticking vegetables and dildos up each others arses then good for you but it should be in the off topic section. I am intrested in what people are taking as supplements as are many others but the thread has been intentionally ruined to the point where one has to read 5 arse fucking comments to every one vitamin comment. It might come as a surprise that not all readers want to read all that drivel.
Some of you live on here 24-7 are well informed and at ease with hiv, alot of us are newbies still dealing with it and learning about it , just because you post alot doesnt give you the right to abuse threads or fellow posters . i dont think anyone clicking on this site for the first time would be to impressed reading all this,im surprised the mods allow such mockery to be honest.
To help you along the way i have started a thread for you in the off topic section.

    Seriously? How do you think some of us have survived almost 26 years with a diagnosis? Humor is a way of dealing and coping with the all crap that comes with having AIDS. Ya gotta grow a thicker skin bud. No, not like a zucchini or a pepper; more like a butternut squash.   

 I've been through all the vitamin supplement crap and you know what?  I'm thinking more and more it's a stage you go through having HIV, just like trying all the other mumbo jumbo like ultra violet cosmic ray  or hyperbolic chamber therapy. It all circles again. It's all expensive and that's something you need to think about when it comes to paying for your meds.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 18, 2010, 11:52:00 am
Tommy

There's a place for supplements, but most of us think they that people tend to over-hype what they can do.  You know, if a supplement really had great effect, some drug company would have figured out a way to extract the good part, add something they could patent and make a fortune.  That's how we got most of the drugs manufactured before 1980.  So, assuming there is some great undiscovered supplement that will fix all your problems is at best naieve.  Can they help with some issues? probably -- but usually on the margins.

And if, LIKE YOU, someone is on meds -- there's no reason to take them without talking to your doctor.  It can be dangerous.

A
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2010, 11:56:04 am
I've always enjoyed how the newly diagnosed seem to so easily think that those of us dealing with our HIV infections for +20 years are so clueless not to have discovered the magic potion supplement to make us better. 

There isn't one.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: sharkdiver on September 18, 2010, 12:19:53 pm
I've always enjoyed how the newly diagnosed seem to so easily think that those of us dealing with our HIV infections for +20 years are so clueless not to have discovered the magic potion supplement to make us better. 

There isn't one.

Amen.

I wish I would have kept track of all the money I've spent in the past on so called "Immune Restoring" supplements and  "mega-vitamins"

I would probably been able to take more vacations (which would have probably been the healthiest choice)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hoover on September 18, 2010, 12:57:11 pm
You may all be right in that we are wasting our time and money looking for the secret formula to keep our CD4s up until we have to start, hopefully, new improved meds.
If our doctors are on board and we run labs to see all is in order, what is the harm?
If we have the fundage to experiment on untried and new things, who have we hurt?

There are many new things on the market these days and other options that may not there a few years ago, maybe they will be of help? The newly infected need help to direct their searches and find their own way even if it is ultimately futile.
We newbies may be finding new research while the rest of the people gave up and talk about sex.
Comments from the jaded are not helpful, if you do not believe in this thread why be trolls?

Gays face enough hatred in the  world, can't we be nice to our own kind and others in our situation?
Naive Hoover
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: sharkdiver on September 18, 2010, 01:04:49 pm
You may all be right in that we are wasting our time and money looking for the secret formula to keep our CD4s up until we have to start, hopefully, new improved meds.
If our doctors are on board and we run labs to see all is in order, what is the harm?
If we have the fundage to experiment on untried and new things, who have we hurt?

There are many new things on the market these days and other options that may not there a few years ago, maybe they will be of help? The newly infected need help to direct their searches and find their own way even if it is ultimately futile.
We newbies may be finding new research while the rest of the people gave up and talk about sex.
Comments from the jaded are not helpful, if you do not believe in this thread why be trolls?

Gays face enough hatred in the  world, can't we be nice to our own kind and others in our situation?
Naive Hoover

  talking about sex?   Pot? Kettle? party of 2

Jaded?  lol  No. Good at detecting Bullshit?  Yes
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2010, 01:06:52 pm

Gays face enough hatred in the  world, can't we be nice to our own kind and others in our situation?


Give it a rest, Mary -- HIV isn't a one way ticket to Joan of Arc martyrdom.  A discussion of supplements and HIV isn't an exercise in hate.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: sharkdiver on September 18, 2010, 01:19:37 pm
well if you have the fundage, then fine go ahead.

 But many do not and there are a lot of "predators" out there looking for suckers to buy their miracle crap.



Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: denb45 on September 18, 2010, 01:26:54 pm
Hey Tommy Boo Hoo,  :'(  we can't always get what we want, but sometimes we do get what we need, I and many others in this forum have survived 20+ yrs. and if your lucky enough you will too, so no Vitamin supplement in the world is gonna change that, if you choose to believe that, good luck buddy ;)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 18, 2010, 01:43:44 pm
well if you have the fundage, then fine go ahead.


Ah gotz da fundages 2.  Any suppleemint for dat?
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: sharkdiver on September 18, 2010, 01:52:02 pm
Ah gotz da fundages 2.  Any suppleemint for dat?

hon, you should see a doc for that.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 18, 2010, 03:15:50 pm
I've always enjoyed how the newly diagnosed seem to so easily think that those of us dealing with our HIV infections for +20 years are so clueless not to have discovered the magic potion supplement to make us better. 

There isn't one.

Well well well . Why dont you tell us all and your gang members about the multi vit you take daily . You have stated this in the past , i hope they dont kick you out the gang now they know you take a multi vit.
Who said you are clueless not me . So stop trying to be smart your not ,your a sad person. The fact you change your picture on a weekly basis tells me all i need to know about you.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 18, 2010, 03:21:40 pm
Well well well . Why dont you tell us all and your gang members about the multi vit you take daily . You have stated this in the past , i hope they dont kick you out the gang now they know you take a multi vit.
Who said you are clueless not me . So stop trying to be smart your not ,your a sad person. The fact you change your picture on a weekly basis tells me all i need to know about you.

That was simply vile, ignorant, and filled with your true essence: hatred (for yourself, the world, this "community," and everything around you).  It is you who has truly shown the world what they need to know about you.  
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2010, 03:21:50 pm
The fact you change your picture on a weekly basis tells me all i need to know about you.

You got me there Tommy.  I think I'm going to kill myself out of sadness.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: tommy246 on September 18, 2010, 03:35:54 pm
That was simply vile, ignorant, and filled with your true essence: hatred (for yourself, the world, this "community," and everything around you).  It is you who has truly shown the world what they need to know about you.  

Thats so funny are you an actress cos you deserve an oscar for those dramatics hilarious, i simply stated the truth miss prissilia takes a multi vit ,honestly youve made my night your so funny lol.
Anyway catch you tommorow im going for supper ,thanks again brilliant.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: bocker3 on September 18, 2010, 04:20:56 pm
Thats so funny are you an actress cos you deserve an oscar for those dramatics hilarious, i simply stated the truth miss prissilia takes a multi vit ,honestly youve made my night your so funny lol.
Anyway catch you tommorow im going for supper ,thanks again brilliant.

So how does Miss P taking a multi-vitamin have anything to do with her comment on folks looking for a holy grail supplement for HIV??  Many people take vitamins -- even, gasp, millions without HIV.  I've been taking one for years longer than I've been positive.  I take for reasons on general health -- not for bolstering my immune system.  I think you are either misreading Miss P's intent, or more likely, lashing out in a most illogical manner.

Look inwards dear Tommy -- there appears to be much you should be dealing with yourself.

Mike
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: skeebo1969 on September 18, 2010, 04:43:07 pm
The fact you change your picture on a weekly basis tells me all i need to know about you.

What does it tell you?  I know it tells me that the OP knows how to post an image... hardly anything to be impressed about Tommyboi.  The real secret lies in this bottle (don't tell anyone I told you).

(http://content.costco.com/Images/Content/Product/50737.jpg)
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 18, 2010, 04:47:03 pm
Comments from the jaded are not helpful, if you do not believe in this thread why be trolls?

Gays face enough hatred in the  world, can't we be nice to our own kind and others in our situation?
Naive Hoover


As the recipient of your "kindness," I must defer to the crinkly, prickly arms of the jaded. You have been offered great advice in this thread, by the very people I suspect you have blocked.

Joining an online community is more than simply putting your head in it. You have to participate in discussions. Discussions that might not always go the way YOU want.

Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: BT65 on September 18, 2010, 08:33:19 pm
So stop trying to be smart your not ,your a sad person.

You're the sad person, tommy.  Miss P. has knowledge from  years of experience.  Back in about 1990, or thereabouts, (and I've said this before), I had a whole shoebox full of supplements.  All recommended by "naturopathic" persons.  You know what they did for me?  Squat. 

Now I take a daily multi, and a calcium supplement with vit. D.  I know there are a few others, like fish oil, that may be helpful.   Why spend tons of money on stuff you don't know works, and that you mostly pee out? 

There is no magic answer, tommy.  You posted this topic, you open yourself up for different opinions.  That's just how it goes.
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 18, 2010, 09:10:08 pm
Well well well . Why dont you tell us all and your gang members

Is that yet another Aidsmeds cabal accusation I smell?  You'll find that while we all agree on this one point we have vastly differing opinions on many others.  I promise you there aren't any PMs going on about how we should all gang up on you, or Hoover, or Boze, or any other member of these forums who says things that are on the verge of ludicrous.  I'll apologize if I feel I've gone too far, but honestly some light humor shouldn't be a kick in the pants.  Also I'm pretty sure if you go back to specific threads you can see all of us get entangled with one another in discussion or even down and dirty arguments.  It happens just like with any group of people.  There are a couple of things we tend to all or mostly agree on however.

1) Supplements outside of a multivitamin or SPECIFIC supplements prescribed or suggested by your doctor are mostly useless.

2) Denialists are dangerous and shouldn't be posting in our forums

3) HAART is the only certain way to halt the advancement of HIV

Oh and I'm pretty sure that we all agree on Miss P being best described in a single word as "Cavernous"...ok maybe it's tossup between "Cavernous" and "Gaping"
Title: Re: Vitamins and supplements what do you take ?
Post by: Ann on September 18, 2010, 11:24:47 pm
You know what? I'm absolutely fed up with babysitting this thread.

There are no supplements that have been proven to have any effect on hiv progression (beyond so-called studies conducted by the people who want to sell you supplements).

Many people take multivitamins and other supplements. That isn't to say they have any effect on hiv.

Tommy, you have expressed a dislike to how this thread has progressed. With that in mind, I'm locking it.

If you had bothered yourself to use the forum search function, you would have found many threads on this same subject. Please avail yourself of one of these in future.