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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: helpscared on April 08, 2009, 10:12:44 pm
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hi everyone.
long story short i am a curious male, who engaged in oral sex (both giving and recieving - 69) for about 20 minutes.
i tasted pre cum, but he did not ejaculate in my mouth.
i am not sure of his status, he won't answer my e-mail after i asked him his status, calls either .
how much of a risk am i for contracting HIV? (assuming he is positive)
I am very very scared...
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Zero.
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thank you for responding.
i'm kind of confused, would you help clarify why its zero risk?
on the CDC website they said that there is chances of infection through oral.
I did have a small open area in my mouth (gums) and that's what scared me.
i would really appreciate it if you could be more clear as to why its no risk, and help put my mind at ease.
thanks in advance.
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The mouth is an inhospitable place for HIV to take place. Saliva contains over a dozen different enzymes and proteins that inhibit HIV transmission. Search the forum for oral sex and read all the replies that have been given.
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thanks again for your response.
i have been reading replies, and i actually just read the infection lesson in the welcome thread.
it was a little confusing.
the part that confused me is that it said the only reported cases of hiv transmission through oral were of men giving oral sex to other men.
i don't mean to post excessively but can you assure me one last time that it is absolutely no risk??
if i do not test over this situation am i putting myself and others at risk (current/future relationships)?
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It's not a risk period.
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Despite the occasional report of transmission through giving oral to a guy, those reports never seem to hold up under careful scientific scrutiny.
Common sense does dictate that if you have a freshly gaping wound in your mouth or very bad oral care, then giving oral is probably not a good idea. However, your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which are very effective in preventing the transmission of viable HIV.
Within the above limits I don't see any cause for concern about giving oral and absolutely none for receiving oral.
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hi andy and rod,
thanks, i'm a little paranoid, but i think that you must get that a lot.
I'm just worried because he was not someone i know.
When you say very bad oral care.. i have mild gingivitis according to my dentist.. is that a cause for concern?
if i don't test is that putting myself or someone else at risk?
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The simple answer is NO.
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You are worrying needlessly. Get on with your life. Really.
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Thanks guys.
I'm trying, ONE MORE question.
My throat was not at 100% health, its red and mildly enflamed, and was during the encounter
am i more suseptible? (The doctor said it could be damaged due to acid reflux)
Would HIV be easier to contract through this way, making it more risky?
I just need one final aspect of this reassured, and i promise i will do my best to move on.
Thanks to all of you
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No it would not matter.
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I agree with Rod. Your sore throat did not put you at greater risk.
Take a breath and get on with your life.
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hey guys..
so i hate to be back here, i had another encounter with a male.. i'm NOT here to ask about oral risks
what happened was:
we exchanged oral... he then asked if i wanted to try receptive anal, and he wouldn't take no for an aswer. i was really scared and uneasy, but i agreed (he was like twice my size, and scared me) and i made it 100% clear that i wouldn't do it without a condom.
he got a new package opened it infront of me, but when he went to put it on he touched it to his penis head the wrong way, flipped it over and put it on, then tried to insert it.. it went like barely inside and he just left it partially in because it hurt me. then i said it hurt way to much to continue and had to literally force him to stop which was terrifying.. he pinned me down
i'm distressed now, mainly because it was forced and i feel both ashamed and violated, but also because of my phobia of HIV.
am i at risk for HIV if pre cum got onto the exterior of the condom before he inserted it?
is it a risk? or do you think i am just emotionally frazzled from all this and not thinking clear..
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I am sorry that he forced himself on you like that. You can do something about that if you wish.
As for a risk of HIV, the answer is no. You probably do have a phobia about HIV but a brief touch of his penis like that wouldn't be enough to give you HIV. The HIV would be in his semen and not just on his penis. So I wouldn't worry that you got HIV from this encounter.
I would concentrate on how you get into situations like that. Not least as you worry about HIV. You did the right thing with the condom. So no - no reason to worry here.
R
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Help,
As Worker said, you were not at risk if some of his cum got onto the exterior of the condom before he inserted it. We see this particular scenario here all the time and no one has ever ended up hiv positive because of it. You won't either.
Ann
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Thnk you worker and ann for responding
worker: i know that the skin of his penis carries no HIV, it was the pre-cum on the penis head that i am worried about... and as for doing something about him forcing it on me.. i couldn't...... i would be way to embarrased to ever even try and approach someone with what happened.. the beauty of online posting is no one even knows you.
ann: i can trust that you know your stuff in this matter, but is there any info you can offer as to why it couldn't cause infection? bear with me i know you get a lot of people who can't let things go, i just want to be really sure.. i terrified myself all last night with the possibilities
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help,
It's because hiv is a very fragile virus. Once it's outside the human body, small changes in temperature, pH and moisture levels quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.
You weren't at risk.
Ann
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A problem here helpscared is that you are concentrating on a very very silly possibility that you got HIV from a brief encounter. For complete unprotected sex where a HIV positive man ejaculates semen into someone, the chance of getting HIV from the encounter is still not 100%. It's actually in the single digits or lower.
Your proposed risk is thousands of times lower than that. In fact, in viral terms - given that your assumption that they were infected - it is akin to a direct meteorite strike on your house. Your assumption of him being HIV positive is also wrong - you don't actually know.
So you have two choices.
1) Stop worrying about a noting incident and move on with your life.
2) Take out meteorite coverage on your house
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Your assumption of him being HIV positive is also wrong - you don't actually know.
Actually, we always encourage everyone to assume that their sexual partners are hiv positive - and protect yourself accordingly by using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently. Do this and you will remain hiv negative. It really is that simple. Read through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them with confidence.
Ann
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thanks both of you for getting back to me
although the fact that its as likely as a meteor hitting, i am still freaked out a bit... i called the sexual health hotline in my area and at first he said the same as you guys... then within 2 minutes told me he couldn't say not to worry about something liek this..
do you think thats just because he was obligated to for legal reasons?
also, i had hemroids about 2 week or so before which i thought had cleared up [medicated] but since the encounter i have had some minor bleeding[on a daily basis] when going to the washroom
would this pose more of a risk.. its apparent that there was some tearing of the anal cavitity.. like i said he forced it and it was my first time
also do andy or rod have any input?
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Help,
Re-read your entire thread because our answers are not going to change with your additional details.
Ann
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hi andy ann, and RR
i've been here before and you served me well.
just a quick question.
i performed/recieved oral on another male. i understand thats not the risk. BUT what i am concerned about is that he was also performing oral on my anal area, but he kept touching his penis and then touching/rubbing my anus, and a few brief moments he tried to slightly insert a finger. is it a risk if there was precum on his fingers while he was doing this?
the reson i am scared is because after i noticed he had large purple marks on his stomach which were not bruises.. and when i googled it it lookied very very similar to kaposis sarcoma..
thanks, hope to hear from you
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Please do not start a new thread every time you have another question or thought - regardless if you think your questions are related to each other or not. It helps us to help you when you keep all your thoughts or questions in one thread and it helps other readers to follow the discussion. Additional threads will be merged.
If you cannot find your thread, click on the "Show own posts" link in the left-hand column of any forum page, under your name.
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oh shoot sorry.
i didn't realize i could do that.
well since i've already started a new thread is it possible for you to answer my question?
.... or do you want me to ask again under the old post?
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No. You questions won't get answered until you return to your original thread.
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hi andy ann, and RR
i've been here before and you served me well.
just a quick question.
i performed/recieved oral on another male. i understand thats not the risk. BUT what i am concerned about is that he was also performing oral on my anal area, but he kept touching his penis and then touching/rubbing my anus, and a few brief moments he tried to slightly insert a finger. is it a risk if there was precum on his fingers while he was doing this?
the reson i am scared is because after i noticed he had large purple marks on his stomach which were not bruises.. and when i googled it it lookied very very similar to kaposis sarcoma..
thanks, hope to hear from you
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Rimming is not a risk of contracting HIV and HIV is not transmitted outside its host so having your anus rubbed after he touched his penis is not a risk.
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thank you very much.
does that include if his finger enetered my anus?
my last question i swear.
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That includes inserting his finger in your ass.
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I've merged your threads. In the future please keep all of your entries in this same thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
And your latest concern about fingers inserted in your butt is as Rod has told you, not a risk. Period.
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hello andy ann and rod
here with a couple questions.
i have 2 situations i am worried about...
one - while my sexual partner was cuming.. he shot up into my face.. is there a chance of ocular infection this way?
second.. seperate occassion, my jacked himself off, and after coming tried to finger my ass.. i don't have anal sex so it was tight and his nail made a little cut.. not sure how much cum was on his fingers
am i at risk for these?
the status is unknown
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HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.
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Help,
In addition to what Rodney said, hiv is a very fragile virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.
Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.
You had no risk in either situation.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!!
Ann
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thank you rod very much
is it insantly killed? because it wasn't outside the body for very long before contact with me.. especially the eye
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thank you ann
would you be able to answer the same question i just asked rod?
i was just wondering how long it generally has to be outside the body?
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You are worrying needlessly. It virtually instantly loses viability once outside of the body. There is REALLY no need for further concern. Quit bothering yourself about this.