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Off Topic Forums => Off Topic Forum => Topic started by: tednlou2 on September 09, 2013, 01:16:16 am
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Tonight, "60 Minutes" re-aired their original report from spring. They show the museum under construction, as well as discuss the decisions on what to include and what not. For example, do they show those who jumped and if they do, do you show video or photos? Would it be whitewashing what happened, if you don't include those who had to make the decision to jump 1,000 feet? Apparently, most family members felt it would be whitewashing.
http://youtu.be/loSobg8r3PU
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If a museum is to tell the story of a specific event in history then why leave details out? That doesn't make sense. The holocaust museum doesn't leave out information simply because it's unpleasant. has society become so sensitive that history needs to be sanitized?
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Was the Holocaust Museum opened 12 years after the Holocaust?
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If a museum is to tell the story of a specific event in history then why leave details out? That doesn't make sense. The holocaust museum doesn't leave out information simply because it's unpleasant. has society become so sensitive that history needs to be sanitized?
Well -- leaving aside that fact that it is extremely sensitive to some family members, who might not want their loved ones last image, falling from the 100th floor to be out their for the world to see, I don't think it was a bad thing to discuss whether to include it. They DID land on having it in the museum -- in an alcove-like setting, with enough "warning" that folks who wished to by-pass it could.
I don't think the discussion was about "sanitizing" history, it was about being respectful to the dead and their families. I suppose it's far easier to have an opinion when you are directly impacted.
I think they hit on a reasonable approach to tell the story of 9/11.
Mike
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Are they being criticized for seeking input from those most affected? I personally feel they took a responsible and considerate approach.
A few years ago, my sister-in-law's son was killed in a drunk driving accident. Those images were plastered all over the various news media. It made for great commentary about the horrors of drunk driving, but they never considered the grief of the families involved.
They even attempted to video the funeral but were politely asked to leave by the police.
They just ran a special about 9/11 on TLC. I believe it was titled, "the heroes of 9/11". I was horrified by those images of the people waving their arms, begging to be saved. I couldn't imagine watching those images if it were my loved ones. I had a difficult enough time anyways.
This is much different than studying the atrocities of the Holocaust. I spent almost an entire day there while in DC. I was able to garner greater knowledge without the need to have a video of the events.
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A past coworker of mine lost her daughter on 9/11. She was a flight attendant on one of the planes from Boston. I can't imagine how her mother has dealt with seeing her plane crash into the tower a million times over on TV.
That being said, those affected directly will choose on their own whether to visit the museum.
It was a horrible world shaking event that will never be forgotten.
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I am sure that if my family member were killed in 9/11 I would never want those images to be displayed ever again. I do understand that.
But we are talking about a museum. Museums are sometimes solemn places with tragic and disturbing displays. Museums are there to tell the whole story, even the parts we don't want told.
If 12 years is too soon to show this in a museum then they should wait to open the museum. Don't sanitize it. That's all I'm saying.
Side note, speaking of family's. A major funder of the holocaust museum are family members of victims. I get fundraising calls from the holocaust museum on a regular basis. The entire organization is run by people who were deeply affected by it. Yet the story isn't lightened to make it easier. Part of preventing this from happening again is that we tell the whole story, unpleasant as it may be so people see with their own eyes what happened. We try and get people to even experience what it was like (and feel the horror).
And for anyone who says that the holocaust was a long time ago and family's no longer have a deep connection or pain from it so its different, but I'm sorry I would have to whole heartily disagree.
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I like the memorial fountains. I hope the museum itself didn't cost godzillons... I think they should have built a permanent exhibit at the Museum of the City of New York and plowed millions into research and education programs about war, terrorism, diplomacy and peace studies. Funded scholarships and professorships at CUNY.
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Just wait until the world's most expensive transit hub opens (http://observer.com/2013/05/pathfail/?show=all) in that area. Still two years from completion it's already almost $3.5 billion.
For those of you not familiar with what this is, and what it was before 9/11 then read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(PATH_station)).
Oh, and that $3.5 billion doesn't include the nearly $1.5 billion for the adjoining Fulton Center Hub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_Center) so basically this is really a $5 billion project.
Keep in mind that the total cost of the original World Trade Center -- seven buildings -- was $2.3 billion (and yes, that's adjusted for inflation). So just these two transit hubs will exceed this twice over. I don't even want to contemplate the total cost with seven new towers added, plus a public memorial and a museum. Should make a great book one day.
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I can't wait to visit the new museum. Did anyone go to the old 9/11 Museum, the one next to Ground Zero? I'm not sure if it is still there or affiliated with this new one but it was incredible. I went there a couple years back and it was very moving.
There was this room you went into and the 4 walls were covered from top to bottom with pics of the victims, submitted by the families. In the middle of the room were benches where you could just sit and have all these smiling faces looking at you.. It was quite a moving experience.
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/31138_1413647068890_5844794_n_zps58da3c4c.jpg)
It was next to the Station 10 there at ground zero, I think they lost like 12 guys.
(oh thats my boy up there in the yellow shirt taking a pic :)) )
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/31138_1413647228894_1791899_n_zps31385c28.jpg)
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IIRC that was simply a temporary display of pictures/memorabilia that victim's family/friends etc. put up right after 9/11 on the fence surrounding St. Paul's Chapel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul's_Chapel#September_11.2C_2001) on Broadway, the rear of which is kind of catty corner to the World Trade Center site if you look on a map.
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If 12 years is too soon to show this in a museum then they should wait to open the museum. Don't sanitize it. That's all I'm saying.
I wonder -- did you actually see the story?? They are not sanitizing anything. They had hard discussions and decided on telling the whole story -- including pictures of Osama and the hijackers. Not everyone agreed, but a decision was made.
Mike
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I just watched the HBO documentary The Search for Obama, deep look at the human story the strange complimentary obsessions of the hard working CIA analysts (mostly women) concerned about
Obama ;D ;D ;D :o :o Ben Laden years before 9/11, and then the whole investigation and manhunt after.
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I just watched the HBO documentary The Search for Obama, deep look at the human story the strange complimentary obsessions of the hard working CIA analysts (mostly women) concerned about Obama years before 9/11, and then the whole investigation and manhunt after.
The search for Obama pre-9/11? Was this in Kenya or Illinois?
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The search for Obama pre-9/11? Was this in Kenya or Illinois?
heheheheheh guilty like all the other foot in mouths... Ben Laden!
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In other NYC news, as of today what will become the world's tallest observation ferris wheel (http://newyorkwheel.com/) was approved for the north shore of Staten Island with sweeping views of the entire New York harbor. Completion target of New Year's Eve 2015.
The one in London is ~440 feet tall and this should be ~600 feet.
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I lived in St. George for awhile.
IMO this is a bad location for an "NYC" observation wheel. There is no way you'll feel in the middle and top of "NY" no matter how high that thing is.
This is some sort of ploy to get more tourists to Staten Island. It will be special but not nearly as spectacular as a great location like Roosevelt Island or Astoria. I think quite a number of visitors will even feel a bit let down if they go way out there and "NY" is so far away. It may offer some nice panoramas of the Harbour and New Jersey and Outer Brooklyn, way in the distance as well. Might better put it at Coney Island if you want some sort of "seaside" attraction.
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Yeah, actually you know where would be perfect is Governors Island, now that it's owned by the city.
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for MissP :-*
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/imagesqtbnANd9GcTJuQa8d4U12p_wIVPnO_zpsbe6919b7.jpg)