Frottage with visible abrasion

[skkribble]

Hello,
I am really worried about a possible exposure. I am a gay man and started dating a guy and we had sex. For 3 times. We had oral sex rec/ins both without condom.(We never had anal sex.) He did not have any precum at all. (I always check as a hypocondriac) but when I was doing the bj I did it for only 1 min each time but once he put it in my throat (Thats the scariest part) and the last time we had sex he rubbed his penis around my butt crack with lube I felt his penis forcing around my anus but I am sure he did not penetrate at all as I rarely be a bottom and when I am bottom I know how it hurts to be penetrated. and then he told me he was +. So after 70 hours I started to have PEP as Im hypocondriac and my doctors were as well..So do you think Iam at a risk?
PS:I didnt have any open cuts in my mouth at all.

[Ann]

skk,

Your doctors aren't hypochondriacs, they're nincompoops.

YOU DO NOT NEED PEP FOR THIS NO RISK SITUATION!

Oral isn't a risk.

Rubbing on your butt crack isn't a risk. It's called frottage and frottage is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST FOR HIV OVER THIS NO RISK SITUATION, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

[skkribble]

Ann,
Thank you very much for your relieving answer which was quick and sharp. I would want to ask a final question: even if he has forced his penis on my anus which I felt  on my anus and it hurt after but without penetration I am sure. I still do not need to worry and get tested regularly right? And about the PEP, do you think I should cut it. As I experienced some heavy side-effects like diarrhea. And I felt a tingling feeling once on the tip of my penis. But just once, may or may not be I had chlamydia (no penile discharge or dysuria at all) am I still at no risk of Hiv?

[Jeff G]

Hi Skkribble , Ann was correct you didn't have a risk for HIV in any of the situations you are concerned about including the new questions you just asked .

Its completely up to you to decide if you want to continue to take pep for a no risk situation . 

[skkribble]

Thanks Jeff G,
So lets be clear, even if I got uretritis (gon/chla) by these actions, it is no risk for HIV, right? Thank you and this was my last question. Thanks in advance. I can not explain how important you guys are for us..

[Jeff G]

Thanks Jeff G,
So lets be clear, even if I got uretritis (gon/chla) by these actions, it is no risk for HIV, right? Thank you and this was my last question. Thanks in advance. I can not explain how important you guys are for us..

That is correct , you didn't have a risk or we would have told you so , that's what we do . We want to get people in to test if they had a risk and urge all sexually active people to get yearly sexual wellness checkups for ALL STD's including HIV even if you don't think you had a risky encounter . In your circumstance we are advising there was no need to test for this specific incident because oral sex isn't a risk for HIV . 

[Ann]

skk,

Most of the other STIs are MUCH more easy to transmit than hiv. You can get gonorrhea, for example, through a blowjob. Oral gonorrhea has been on the rise amongst MSM for quite a few years now.

As Jeff said, it's up to you whether or not you continue PEP for a situation where you weren't at risk for hiv.

Ann

[skkribble]

Hello everyone,
First of all, you guys have been my heroes when it comes to put minds at ease.
 I am pleased to make a little contribution to the forum community.
Today, I met a guy online and I invited him over..And we only had some kissing and frottage.. Nothing else.. And the frottage was made penis to penis.. He had lots of precum and possibly the precum and his glans penis was actually touching my abrasion (happened during frottage) situated under (not on) the glans ... So I have been worried sick lately.. I applied alcohol (hurt a bit) rubbed with soap.. I was wondering is there any possibility that I could contract HIV this way?
No oral sex, no anal sex or no cum whatsoever..
Any advice would be very helpful.. Should I get tested over this? The fresh abrasion(without bleeding... but you know that rather pink and hurting kind of abrasion) would be a possible area so that his precum or mucosal lining of penis would help HIV transmission?

[anniebc]

Frottage is not, and never has been a risk for HIV, any abrasion you may have are only surface wear and tear.

HIV has to get into the blood stream in order to infect. This did not happen in your case, so stop worrying.

You have not had a risk and do not need to test over this.

Jan

[Joe K]

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I have also removed your ability to post until you take out a subscription.

Joe

[Joe K]

I restored your ability to post and you need to keep all of your questions in this one thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Joe

[skkribble]

Thank you for quick reply. My concern is he was really wet with lots of precum and rubbing his against my penis caused the skin break. (like wear&tear abrasion). Isn't it a possible area of infection? I mean it's broken skin and HIV might not get air or external environment( in order to render it non-infectious)  while pressing it to the abrasion and there's precum .. well lots of it.. I don't want to be a 'what if' guy but.. what if he had the very same abrasion and we rubbed those broken skin? would it still be non-risky?

I would really appreciate some details for my case.

Thanks

[Joe K]

Frottage is not, and never has been a risk for HIV, any abrasion you may have are only surface wear and tear.

HIV has to get into the blood stream in order to infect. This did not happen in your case, so stop worrying.

You have not had a risk and do not need to test over this.

Jan

Jan already told you why this is not a risk.  You DID NOT HAVE A RISK, PERIOD.

Joe

[skkribble]

Alright, so from what I understand there must be a real deep cut for something to occur a surface abrasion does not cause a risk. A new day, I learned something. I always thought a minimal contact with a broken skin could cause that. So ok PERIOD. I can stop worrying needlessly.
Well thanks guys.
You have a wonderful week 😊

[Andy Velez]

Yes, you can stop worrying. HIV is a fragile virus and not passed so easily.