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Title: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: David_CA on February 07, 2007, 02:46:46 pm
I didn't want to hijack the "What's the big deal with taking meds" thread, so I'll start a new (but slightly related) one. 

I was talking to a forum member the other day about when HIV became 'real'.  For me, just getting the results over the phone of my mail-in home HIV test didn't make it real.  I still felt the same physically and didn't look any differently.  A few days later, I had my first lab work done.  When I got the results, they were not as good as I'd hoped, but things still seemed the same.  I felt the same about subsequent appointments with my ID Dr. and lab results.  Even planning on an Atripla start date of Dec 8, 2006 didn't seem real, but more like just going through the motions of being HIV+.  What made HIV real to me was getting as sick as I did and ending up in the hospital for 8 days with PCP and what happened while I was there.

While I was in the hospital, I began to feel better after the first day (that O2 is a great high!).  I disclosed my HIV status to my mom, dad, and sister.  I also got out a few other 'secrets'.  Seeing and sensing all the concern, fear, and love from a my husband and lot of my family and friends was a turning point.  I'm not in this alone and my well-being and health are not all mine to be selfish about.  Starting treatment was, and still is, a minor thing for me; I've taken Adderall daily for years, so the fact that I HAD to take these meds is no different.  Fortunately, I've not really had any bad side effects, but I know the long-term issues of these drugs might be a problem.  Getting older has its share of issues and side effects too, but I'll have to deal with them as they arise.

I've only known a few people with HIV /AIDS prior to my diagnosis.  I'm fortunate in that I only know one or two that have died from AIDS (or OI's).  HIV was something that people who had a careless moment had or those living in third-world countries suffered from.  It's certainly not something that I ever thought I'd be faced with, but here I am.

The point of this post is what event was the 'turning point' that made HIV / AIDS real to you?

David
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: DanielMark on February 07, 2007, 02:52:44 pm
When I woke up in a hospital emergency room five years ago after collapsing in the checkout line of a grocery store, which I have no recall of whatsoever. I tested Poz in 1988. It just took a while to hit me that hard.

Daniel
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Queen Tokelove on February 07, 2007, 03:00:45 pm
It became real for me the day I found out. It became more real for me when my sisters decided to disclose  my status to the world. It became real for me when my husband decided to start smoking crack and sold my belongings because he couldn't handle it and eventually left me. It became real when people started telling me the things my sisters were saying about me. It still is real because I am still alone.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: hussy_24 on February 07, 2007, 03:11:13 pm
It still is real because I am still alone.

so true, that has been one of the worser things so far to me too

on worlds aids day i sent a few text messages to friends who never replied or cared and probably wouldnt do so until hiv/aids become real for them.

Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: David_CA on February 07, 2007, 03:22:06 pm
so true, that has been one of the worser things so far to me too

on worlds aids day i sent a few text messages to friends who never replied or cared and probably wouldnt do so until hiv/aids become real for them.



I know what you mean.  We have a some 'friends' that have sort of disappeared after our disclosure.  That part really sucks.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Ihavehope on February 07, 2007, 03:24:40 pm
Yesterday at 6:00pm when I had an AIDS diagnosis.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Boo Radley on February 07, 2007, 03:28:12 pm
It became real for me in early 1983 when I visited a 20 year old friend in the hospital.  Initially I had trouble looking directly at him because he was obviously dying fast.  Besides severe emaciation he had Kaposi's lesions all over his face and arms.  He was on an IV drip and oxygen and in great pain.  Brian was the first of many people I've known who passed away long before they should have. 

When I remember Brian I can't help thinking about how AIDS might have played out in the USA if it hadn't first struck dirty, perverted homosexuals.  I know many people were already infected by 1983 (I think I'm one) but if our wonderful, massive Federal government had attended to AIDS as it had to Legionnaire's disease how many lives might have been saved and how many more are being infected now because HIV was a moral judgment and not a virus?

Boo
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Jeffreyj on February 07, 2007, 03:39:22 pm
It became real for me two weeks after my first blood tests. My DR told me I had HTLVIII... in "84...I was like what the fuck it that. Everyone was dying and no one knew why.

Got very real really fast.  And I was told to take AZT every 4 hours. The good thing about that was I was too f&**ing tired to worry about dying.

And the happy hour continues....:)
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: puertorico2006 on February 07, 2007, 03:46:40 pm
It still is real because I am still alone.

You are not alone :D...but if you feel that way you are not alone in feeling alone (dont know if that made sense lol)


I honestly dont know if it has become real for me or not. When i found out over the phone I was calm and collected and it didnt even affect me (i was driving at the moment)....HIV hastn changed anything so far other than a few inconvenient doctors visits so i cant say its actually "hit" me (although i did go through a period where i researched a lot and it consumed me for a bit)
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: ACinKC on February 07, 2007, 03:57:56 pm
It becomes real every morning when I take the pills.  And when I talk about kids with my wife.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Cliff on February 07, 2007, 04:00:28 pm
Good question, David.  Unfortunately, I don't know if it has become real to me yet.  It didn't when I was on meds, because I started treatment so quickly.  The first few months were a bit numb and then things went back to normal.

Why does it take getting sick for things to shake a person up?   :-[
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Sky on February 07, 2007, 05:34:16 pm
I would say as soon as I was told.  I don't feel as good as I did when I was negative, but that could be in my head.  Overall, I'm thankful for catching it as soon as I did and educating myself on the subject.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: poet on February 07, 2007, 06:59:24 pm
I've had stages of reality hiv/aids reality creeping closer and closer.  When I got infected in 1984, acute retroviral syndrome was, despite the fever and such weakness that I could move from sofa to chair, couldn't stand to brush my teeth or shave, took weeks to get to the grocery store and more weeks to be able to carry one item in a plastic bag, real, but not aids/hiv connected at the same time.  Something was going on, but no one was diagnosing what I had correctly.

When I found out that I was hiv positive by labs in 1986, that was more of a need for quiet time in the park.  Confirmation, but of what?  Numbers to look at, cd4's and cd8's.  Conflicting theories to read. Decisions about meds, to take AZT or not.

When I worked with terminal aids patients, that was staring aids in the face: ks lesions; emaciation; exhaustion; panic; homelessness; lack of food.  Those heartbreaking conversations around aids with guys who knew that they were dying.  But this was happening to 'them' and not to me, so it became at times less 'real' to me. 

Now?  On meds?  The initial side effects overcome?  23 years later and still here, it has become less real than it was back long ago. Thank you for the thread/question, David.  Win
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Blixer on February 07, 2007, 07:21:45 pm
There have been some very interesting response here.  I guess this is another one of those things that differs widely from person to person.

For me, it became real that Monday afternoon, just over 1 year ago, when I sat in my doctor's office and she came in, sat down, and said "I've got some bad news, your HIV test came back positive."  That was a defining moment in my life.  I suddenly came face to face with my mortality.  I could no longer think that it was something that happened to others, but not to me.  I never doubted the results.  I never questioned the reality of it.  I accepted it, had a bit of a panic attack, and began the process of finding out as much information as I could and finding the best doctor that I could.  And here I am, just over a year later, much smarter than I was and moving on with my life. 
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Teresa on February 07, 2007, 07:34:58 pm
It became "real" to me while I was getting my first HIV test. For the first time I watched as she stuck the needle in my arm,(I had always turned my head before)  watched the blood flow in the tube and wondered if it had HIV in it.

Teresa
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: tsw923 on February 07, 2007, 07:55:45 pm
It became real for me on 9/23/06 (my 37th birthday) when I went to CVS to get my medicine so that I could start taking it that night.  I felt like there should have been a big sign over my head as I met a 'blind date' for drinks after picking up my meds.  For the first time ever I thought, 'Why am I bothering, if I tell him I have HIV he will be history.'  I was real when I met my pregnant girlfriend and her husband for dinner.  I remember wondering that if I told her, would she leave so she wouldn't 'catch it'. 

It became painfully real when I disclosed to my old boyfriend on the day we met again after 15 years.  I had already prepared myself for his rejection, but was happily surprised when he held me and told me he still loved me. 

It became real again when I finally told my mom.  And its real every time she looks at me and asks if I'm well because I can't seem to kick this danged cold.

Its real every time I sit with my closest family members and want to tell them, but stop myself... 

Ty
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: AlanBama on February 07, 2007, 08:00:21 pm
Like Jeffrey, mine became VERY real when I had to start taking AZT every 4 hours.   I went to Radio Shack and bought a pill box with a timer (that's what we did in those days).  That's every 4 hours, round the clock.....so the timer had to be set to go off during the night.....you are guzzling toxic pills, feeling like hell, feverish, sick, nauseated, can't get any sleep because of the damn alarm, and you still continue to try to work full time and pretend that nothing is wrong......

Then, the nightmare got tragic when I got my "AIDS diagnosis" in 1991; I lost 35 pounds, was in a wheel chair with home nurses coming every day, taking IV's through a pic line, and given a prognosis of 6 months.

It's been a LONG 6 months.......

Those dark days seem like a bad dream when I look back on them; like a story or a play, but that was really my life.   I am so blessed, it brings tears to my eyes to think about it.    No, you will never hear me complain about having to swallow ANY kind of pills.   I am so thankful to have them, because believe me, no one wants AIDS to do to your body what it did to mine.   So take those meds boys and girls  ;)

We've all got a long way to go in this journey.

Hugs,
Alan
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Blixer on February 07, 2007, 08:11:35 pm
Alan, I'm so glad that it turned out to be a LONG 6 months....    And your story brought some tears to my eyes.  I know that I'm so lucky to be diagnosed today.  It's still a long journey, but there is so much more hope now.  Thanks for sharing that!
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: jyngfilm on February 07, 2007, 08:28:06 pm
As you well know David, we were diagnosed about the same time (I think) Feb 06. We chose different paths. I buried my head in the sand and didn't seek medical attention till Jan 07. I went straight to AIDS diagnosis because of it. So..it wasn't real. Now I'm still in good health, taking Atripla, have my first new labs tomorrow. It's still not real. God as my witness, I believe I could make it more REAL if it were a brain tumor, or leukemia.
Today, tonight...I'm not sure it's real till it kills me. I just dont like it.
~jordon
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Nico on February 07, 2007, 08:41:00 pm
For me it became real when the man I fell in love with told me he was poz (the one I am still with 17 years later).  On a lesser plain, when I found out, I was poz after being infected almost 11 years later my azz was kicked when I was diagnosed with PCP, then kidney failure, the C-diff, the PN..... 

I then pulled my head out my own azz and diagnosis code 042  (AIDS) "it" became a real thing to me.  I guess, I am a slow starter/learner...but catching up.

Now, I am the driver of my virus.  I drive my doc crazy, but I think she likes it since I come prepared and do my research.  I am not planning of leaving my partner or my life anytime soon.

I am still here and hope to be for a long time.

That's all....
Roger
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: dtwpuck on February 07, 2007, 08:53:20 pm
It became real for me when I opened my email one day in January, 2000.... "I thought you would like to know that Jimmie died yesterday."   I had no idea he was so sick.  Jimmie is probably who infected me, and he stands out as the biggest unreconciled relationship of my life.  I realized that moment that I, too, could die from this.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Blixer on February 07, 2007, 08:58:57 pm
As you well know David, we were diagnosed about the same time (I think) Feb 06. We chose different paths. I buried my head in the sand and didn't seek medical attention till Jan 07. I went straight to AIDS diagnosis because of it. So..it wasn't real. Now I'm still in good health, taking Atripla, have my first new labs tomorrow. It's still not real. God as my witness, I believe I could make it more REAL if it were a brain tumor, or leukemia.
Today, tonight...I'm not sure it's real till it kills me. I just dont like it.
~jordon

Jordan,
I guess I was lucky.  No denial only panic.  Of course, that has kind of been my style throughout life.  I think it may be because of some of the things I have dealt with in the past.  I have kind of been blessed with an outllook that life isn't fair sometimes, but I'm gonna make the best of it.  And I've always been one to search out the answers.  So when I found out I had HIV I started doing lots of reading and research and talking to others.  By the time the doc said it was time for meds, I was ready.  At least you are doing what you need to do now to keep you healthy.  Whether it is yet "real" to you or not, you are doing what it takes.  And sometimes, we do need to kind of "bypass" it for our own mental well being.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: RAB on February 07, 2007, 09:07:40 pm
When did "it" become real?

For me it became real when my heart was so broken I couldn't cry anymore.

For me it became real when I was so scared and so desperate I would have done absolutely anything I could to squeeze one more set of acceptable labs, if for no other reason than to buy me time.

For me it became real when in the reality of what was happening I was so desperate that I tried an unapproved treatment called Compound Q, which led to the loss of my spleen, which led to a deep internal thrombosis, which led to a serious decline of my overall health status, which led to PCP (X3), which led to. . . . . .well so the story goes.

For me it became real when, for some reason I still don't comprehend, my doctor looked me in the eye and said:  "Your VL is <400, it's what some call undetectable."

For me it became real when I dared to acknowledge the fact that maybe, just maybe, the good news wasn't some sort of sick joke.

For me it became real when I saw the transformation of having more silicone injected in my face than most women have in their breasts to reverse the lipoatrophy.

For me it's real because I'm sitting here at 6:00 p.m. on February 7, 2007, a time and place I never could have imagined.

For me it's real because I made the best decisions I could, given the information I had at the time.  Wasn't always "right" in hindsight, but here I am--still.

TAKE THAT FRIGGIN HIV!

RAB

Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: RapidRod on February 07, 2007, 09:37:16 pm
Must have been 1982 when two of my friends died of AIDS.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: skeebo1969 on February 07, 2007, 10:41:38 pm


  September 8, 2005..  As I sat in church during my sister in law's funeral.  She had just died from complications brought on by AIDS and I was waiting the results of a western blot test..
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: racingmind on February 07, 2007, 11:01:19 pm
It became real to me the first time (after my diagnosis) when I woke up soaking wet in the middle of the night and realized that the whole thing was NOT just a bad dream... :(

It's also very real to me when I have to have blood drawn (I hate needles!)
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Life on February 07, 2007, 11:20:05 pm
It still is becoming real for me..... Process, not a destination..
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: DanKenny on February 08, 2007, 12:51:45 am
It became real to me when I held him in my arms, and felt the niddle prick his arms and had to console him
It became real to me when I finally accepted the fact that my then 4 year old son has tested positive
It became real to me when I helped him swallow his medications
It became real to me when I had to constantly clean him (the pukes and the runs) during the adjustment phase
It became real to me when I saw him thrive, with the help of the ARVs.

But

It became really real to ME when I submitted myself to the test
It became real to me when I found out I am positive

It is still real to me
~~ whenever I give meds to my son
~~ whenever I see/hear the words: HIV, AIDS
~~ whenever I worry over my own mortality

It is still real to me
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: bear60 on February 08, 2007, 08:28:28 am
Simply put....HIV became real to me when my friends here in Philadelphia started getting sick and dying. I remember thinking....maybe we will be spared....or that HIV will skip over us......but no. After the death of one close friend in New York City in the late 80's, it was real.  After the death of 15 to 20 close friends here in Philadelphia, it was super real.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: sunflower99 on February 08, 2007, 08:48:46 am
Dear DanKenny!
I am crying when I read your post. As a mother myself I know of the terror of having your children tested.
I pray your son is doing ok.

Love from me
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Christine on February 08, 2007, 10:46:43 am
It became real to me twice. First time when the test came back positive. Second time when I almost died in 2001. I realized how fast things can happen, and how fragile life is.
Christine
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Hawkeye on February 08, 2007, 10:47:34 am
This bacame real to me when my fiancee's gyno called us into her office, and delivered the news that my fiancee was pos.  I was in total shock for the first two days, but as soon as I educated myself on it, I felt so much better about her and our future together.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: ademas on February 08, 2007, 11:21:08 am
It became real to me sometime in '83, when people I knew began to get sick and die.
Then it went to surreal for about a decade.
Back to real in '93 when both my ex's passed away, and '94 when I finally tested and received my diagnosis.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Brandy Dawn on February 08, 2007, 11:46:44 am
first I'd like to say hello to everyone I'm new here, but I'm not new to hiv Ive been poz for 10 years and had an aids diagnose for 8, I'm undetectable and my CD4 is at 459 the highest its ever been woo hoo  ;D to answer the question its was real from the moment the doctor came in and said"Brandy do you know what HIV is" I remember I thought oh my god what about my baby you see I was 3 months pregnant with my son Wade ( he is neg) it might of taken me longer to become real to me if not for him.
Oh one more thing I want to say Hello David honey long time no see.Fancy running in to you here  :D

Brandy Dawn             
live in the moment

"what if everything we see and seem is nothing more then a dream within a dream"
                                                                                                  -Poe
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: marco23 on February 08, 2007, 11:57:34 am
What a beautiful thread...I'm teary eyed by reading all these posts.
I felt numb and dirty when I first tested positive in 93, I thought I was going to die within that month....but nothing happened. Until 2003, I had gone to the Doctor because I had gotten soo sick, with the results from the blood work, he said that I should've been in the hospital. He was surprised that I wasn't hospitalized.  I was classified as having AIDS and he ordered for me to get on medications the following day.
When I heard the Dr. say I was classified as having AIDS, that was all I heard for the rest of the day, and when I had to tell my mom - that was heartbreaking.  Being an only child, it wasn't easy.
That was when it finally became real to me.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Ann on February 08, 2007, 12:45:41 pm
I think it first became real to me one day in early 1985 when I boarded a crowded New York subway train. There was a man sitting on one of the long benches with nobody sat any where near him on either side - despite how crowded the train was. He was emaciated and had KS lesions on his face. I knew immediately that he was dying - and why. I sat next to him... right next to him. He looked at me with eyes that spoke volumes of the pain he was in, smiled, and said "thank you". I simply smiled back and said, "you're welcome".

It became real for me in a more personal and immediate sense on February 22, 2001, when I walked into a room in the local GUM clinic and the first thing the nurse did was slide a box of Kleenex over to my side of the desk. I knew my test result in that instant and it became all too real.

Ann
xxx
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Dan J. on February 08, 2007, 01:36:26 pm
It became real for me the day I found out the results of my HIV test  in May 1986. Then the doc told me she couldn't be my Dr. anymore. She said she had a new baby & had to protect herself for her daughter. She told me to find a new Dr.

Dan
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Boo Radley on February 08, 2007, 01:37:28 pm
It became real for me in a more personal and immediate sense on February 22, 2001, when I walked into a room in the local GUM clinic and the first thing the nurse did was slide a box of Kleenex over to my side of the desk.

Wow, talk about bad body language!  At least when I was told the kleenex was offered after the nurse volunteer informed me.  What made it odd was she is an old friend and didn't realize I was the "number" she had to tell.   I think she was more in shock than I was. 

Boo
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: allanq on February 08, 2007, 02:49:03 pm
It still is becoming real for me..... Process, not a destination..

My experience is the same as Eric's. There hasn't been one great event that made AIDS "real" to me. Over the years, there have been a number of events that have made the reality of AIDS settle in:

   The death of my friend Jim in 1985. He was the first of many dear friends to die of AIDS.
   My own diagnosis in 1988.
   Starting to take meds in 1989.
   Developing severe nausea and wasting around 1994. It lasted for nearly six months.
   Having to leave work on disability in 1995.
   Disclosing my status to my family in 1997.
   A bad case of molluscum around 2002 that covered my cheeks and chin and made me not want to leave the house.
   Every time I go to the doctor's office, have lab work done, or have to deal with my health insurance company over incorrect bills.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: mjmel on February 08, 2007, 03:41:25 pm
In the early/mid '80s when I was bartending in one of the bars in New Orleans. First, there were the rumors going around of wards of people in New York dying and then people started disappearing in New Orleans; then co-workers started to die. So many, many friends and three of my past lovers gone in a matter of two or three years. Some of them from diagnosis to death in a matter of months. It was so sudden and frequent that it was absoluteshock. There have been many more awakenings but that time period strikes as even more difficult than my own diagnosis in '89. I guess by then I was just numb from toll of the many thousands of deaths both close and afar.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: tom_1950 on February 08, 2007, 04:24:15 pm
AIDS became real for me when the nurse gave me my blood test results and left the room...I knew why when I got to page 3 of the test results **WARNING ABNORMAL RESULT*** HIV+,  yep that was me.  In a few minutes the doctor came in with a continuous sentance.. what have you done? are you gay? do you know your test results will be sent to CDC? you can never buy insurance again, who did you get HIV from?... on and on until he stopped when I asked the question:  "does this mean I will die soon". I guess he must have figured that I really had heard nothing he was saying...

I had no idea what to expect and then have the third degree and being felt as if I had committed a crime.

He did send me to a good doctor, who treated my PCP (I could hardly walk across the room without gasping for air), also CMV, MAC and brought up my CD4 count.  Initial count was CD4 - 36, at 3% and Viral Load of 100K.

1 1/2 years later CD4 - 424, 21%, and viral load undetectable.  YES... I feeling great and my wife stayed with me the entire time.   ;D

Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Alain on February 08, 2007, 04:57:33 pm
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Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: JPinLA on February 08, 2007, 05:58:53 pm
Today when my Dr. called to say my CD4 levels are low enough to start talking about medication.  When I first found out I was completely numb and in denial until now. 

Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: jyngfilm on February 08, 2007, 08:50:13 pm
hang in there jpinLA. you've got a lot of good friends here. reach out if you need to.  ~jordon
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Coffeechick88 on February 08, 2007, 10:21:42 pm
The personal turning point for when it became real for me was when I finally had no choice but to start meds.  I had gotten sick, was too fatigued to do much more than lay in bed--I slept in my car between college classes and even frequently fell asleep during class and struggled to walk to class, and my CD4 had plummeted to where I crossed over from having HIV to AIDS.  Even my dad was of the impression that as long as I had "just HIV" and not the dreaded A-word, that had implications that I didn't really have anything to worry about, life could go on as usual.  But AIDS, my goodness, that brings to mind images much worse.

As for when HIV/AIDS became real to me other than personally, I have no other stories.  I am too young to really remember when the epidemic was at its worst--I only really know by reading and studying and hearing other people's stories.  I knew there was a family friend with AIDS, but I never was taken to meet this guy.  In school, they gave mentions of Ryan White and Magic Johnson, but there was nothing really close to home.  Even though I was going in medicine, I knew I'd eventually see a case, but I never had dreamed I would ever personally be affected by it--I was definitely wrong in that regard.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: englishgirl on February 12, 2007, 03:34:34 pm
not sure if this is the right thread to put this on but seems kind of relevant as i was wanting to ask a question about whether starting to feel like i'm totally losing my mind 18 months after diagnosis is related to the diagnosis/my status or whether it is totally unrelated.
 
i always thought i was dealing with everything well. i was actually surprised that i hadnt cracked up, and for months was expecting to and didnt. i knew exactly when and from whom i had contracted, and continued to emotionally support him even when i was unsure whether he had deliberately infected me (he had told me he was negative). i did my usual thing of telling lots of people while drunk, had a bit of a 'i can change the world' moment, but since then have thought i was pretty much dealing with it. when he dumped me i wasnt exactly ecstatic but generally i thought i was putting a pretty positive (no pun intended) spin on things. i have never blamed myself or anyone else, never thought 'what if', have done some positive speaking, gone to support groups, and have even said that having this makes my longstanding clinical depression better cos now i have something to fight against.

but in the last couple of months i have started to feel more and more stressed out, to the point where i dont know if i should be going to work because i am so highly strung. i cant put up my antidepressants any more, i have started going to a (truly useless) psychotherapist (but that's the national health service for you and sadly i cant afford to go to the priory), i sleep all the time, and i have missed so much work that i have to go and see occupational health. i went to the doctor today and while i was crying in his office telling him that i couldnt cope and i didnt know what to do he helpfully suggested that i do some exercise and then basically threw me out because he had to see the next patient!!!!

i really dont know if this is because i have unresolved issues with the diagnosis/my own mortality/feeling alone/whatever or whether this is just me being depressed, but i am so tense that i feel like i am having a very mild ongong panic attack. i have barely ever cried about my status (is that normal?) and wonder if this is a case of being in emotional denial for the last 18 months and it now becoming too much to bear...

is this it becoming real? am i having a breakdown?

any thoughts?

thanks xxxx
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: manchesteruk on February 12, 2007, 03:51:56 pm
Hi englishgirl,

Sorry to hear things aren't going so well for you.  Firstly was the unhelpful doctor your ID doctor or just your GP?  You really shouldn't have to put up with that and you can change Dr's on the NHS it's not too hard to do I handpicked mine!  Secondly it's hard for us to tell what may be causing your stress and anxiety I suspect it may be a number of things.  You mention long standing depression was this around before your diagnosis?  It certainly sounds to me that your diagnosis sounds particulary traumatic expecially not knowing if your ex had deliberately infected you or not that would a lot for anyone to deal with.  Rest assured though you have found a good place here.  I don't know how I would have got through my diagnosis without this place.  I'd suggest to maybe put your last message in a new topic so you can introduce yourself?  There are people here who can give amazing advice they've been through it all!

Chris
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: englishgirl on February 12, 2007, 04:14:44 pm
hi chris
thanks for the suggestion, i think i will start a new thread - it cant just be me who wonders about delayed reactions?!!
the evil doctor was a gp. not my usual one, he was on holiday - boo
just out of interest what are your thoughts on disclosing to your gp? mine doesnt know
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: fearless on February 13, 2007, 01:07:55 am
1989, when 5 of my 6 closest friends died from AIDS
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: joemutt on February 13, 2007, 01:23:36 am
Returning to Thailand in September 95 when I tried to call my previous year's summer BF and the line was disconnected
and then I walked to his apartment and the concierge who spoke little English kept repeating 'hospital, hospital'
but actually he was dead and then I thought 'this is not the end of it'
and it wasn't and it still isn't.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: GSOgymrat on February 13, 2007, 02:25:07 am
I don't think it was ever not "real". I've only known a couple of people who have died of AIDS and that was back in the mid 80s. Personally it's been real since the test came back positive. I've never thought "oh it can't happen to me".
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Post by: onemoretime on February 13, 2007, 11:31:11 pm
i think in the 2nd year it got real to me, the first year i was in shock about it 
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Post by: Boo Radley on February 14, 2007, 12:18:28 am
just out of interest what are your thoughts on disclosing to your gp? mine doesn't know

Luckily my GP is my ID doc and it's been a long time since I had a GP.  When I did have a GP he had a large HIV+ clientele and seemed to know what he was doing, but that doesn't address your question, does it?

In my typical sitting-on-the-fence manner I defer the decision to you since you've dealt with the GP and, I hope, have a pretty good sense of the person.  Since you're a "non-minority female" I hope you deal with less stigma than some, but prejudice raises its head in all sorts of places.  Your doctor's office is one place prejudice should be forbidden so, I guess if I were you, I would consider what you know about her/him and guess what the reaction would be, then decide based on that guess. 

Actually, if you think the GP might be prejudiced it's time to get another GP if your health care system requires you to have a GP as your "primary care physician."   You have enough to deal with without having an ignorant oaf whose duty is to provide you with the best care possible making judgments about your morals, "lifestyle (hate that word)," or your "worth" as a person.

Pretty good for ambiguous advice, I guess.  Good luck!

Boo
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: lydgate on February 14, 2007, 01:25:02 am
I guess it became REALLY real when my boyfriend dumped me when I disclosed.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: jntmax39 on February 14, 2007, 07:15:37 pm
Hiv Aids was always a reality for me. Working for hospice for ten+ years.Most of my clients were dying of Aids. It was sad and horrifying to see. I remember saying wow I lucked,that could have been me. I was safe now because I stopped sleeping around after the 80's. I had had such A hard life back then. I thought I was good.
Little did I know after finding out I was diabetic among a whole slew of health issues I ended up on disability. SO anyway me being in a long term relationship I thought that I didn't need to be tested. We broke up after 12 years togetherthen I had what you would call a rebound relationship with someone else.
Then I met my husband and still decided that I was safe. It was ten years later when I became very sick,they sent me to a cancer doc. He ran every test he could and then he was gonna do a bonemarrow bio- then I said well I haven't been tested in ten yrs for HIV. Went back 2weeks later and he told me I was possitive. WOW I was shocked that was 2yrs ago. It is a reality to me everyday. I just keep thinking about witch disease is gonna take me out.
My life is consumed with Doctors injections and meds,not to mention the PN has rendered me helpless amung other things. My husband and daughter take care of me. What a fuckin reality check I use to be a caregiver and now I'm the PT.
I am angry and sad,and I have knowbody I can talk to who would want to here me vent because I feel like I'm a burden to everyone. Sometime I wish that It would just be over fast and easy.
That is my reality. Thank you for this post, I feel better.LOL>>>>



Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: sdcabincrew74 on February 14, 2007, 11:43:02 pm
lets see, a few weeks in the hospital on O2 with PCP and MAC.  Not being able to walk when I was released, blood clots, PCP coming back a second time, meds destroying my lipid levels, HIV specialist, infectious disease specialist, dermatologist, lung doctors, interns amazed at the recovery of someone so sick, having a nurse, less than a month ago, in an urgent care say "you have AIDS?  where are all your lesions and stuff, you look normal" having to tell my mom and dad so they could take turns coming out to my home on the west coast to take care of me because my partner HAD to go back to work to keep the health insurance that was footing all the bills (which totalled 325,000+ dollars in three months), 3000 dollars worth of meds every month, having my partner have to wipe my ass for me and bath me because I was simply too weak, my father begging me to eat more so I would gain weight faster, sometimes throwing up for no reason after taking meds, quarterly bloodwork, getting real skinny and then getting chubby and then trying to get back to normal, a negative partner with whom it took a year for us to realize we could still have sex, being shunned by the gay community for being POZ, being automatically accepted by the poz gay community for being poz, all poz bareback sex parties, being the only guy in my support group that did not get this while fucked up on meth, watching meth and HIV destroy another generation of gay boys, remembering to take those blasted pills every day at dinner and wondering what I will do if and when those pills quit working, keeping my health condition quiet at work because, well, even though it is illegal I know poz boys sometimes suddenly are gone from my company, there are SO many of us hiding (and I work for one of the top 5 biggest airlines in the United States), trying not to focus on the the stupid actions of my past, having the driest skin in the world thanks to the meds and virus, quesitoning whether I can mental deal with another bout of PCP and really, how much can one body take, I am stronger now than ever before but every time you get it, it is supposed to be worse, most do not survive the third round and I have already had PCP twice, wondering what my sister will tell my neices and nephews if I ever get sick (my family is fully supportive but...), watching wonderful people still die from this disease, hearing the word manageable one too many times when some days it takes all I can do not to cry (even after 2 years of dealing with it)

This shitty virus is bitch slap of reality every damn day of my life.  But really, I would not trade it for anything.  Amazing how a brush with death can make you appreciate life  :)
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Life on February 14, 2007, 11:51:12 pm
Max39 & Crew74.....

I do not know what to say other than I love you...
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: sdcabincrew74 on February 15, 2007, 08:19:37 pm
thanks eric
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Bartro on February 15, 2007, 11:30:17 pm
It became real for me in 1986.  I went to pick up my best friend for lunch.  I found him in a coma on his bathroom floor.  I went with him to the hospital and stayed for three days until he finally died.  He had been quite illl for a number of years.  He never wanted to do very much until one day he callled me and said he was feeling much better.  The last two weeks of his life we went somewhere together almost every day.  We even went shopping for new doilies??   We had a real blast and then he was gone.  I guess it was his last hurrah.  My heart still hurts when I think about it.  Enough.
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: Lou-ah-vull on February 16, 2007, 02:55:12 am
It became "real" when my best friend was diagnosed in 1990 and then my partner was diagnosed right after New Year's in 1991.  I have been living with it ever since and there has never been a day that it has not been "real" to me.

Gary
Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: allopathicholistic on February 16, 2007, 09:05:14 am
The point of this post is what event was the 'turning point' that made HIV / AIDS real to you?

I agree with you David i.e. getting my poz result (in the Spring of 2000) didn't make HIV real to me

Turning point was August 31, 2005 and nearly fainting on 49th Street from weakness. Even lifting my arm seemed impossible. I remember thinking I was gonna kick the bucket in the middle of Rockefeller Center with hundreds of strangers around and none of them would care (which was a negative assumption)

Title: Re: When Did HIV / AIDS Become "Real" to You?
Post by: BKNYLivin on February 16, 2007, 04:12:31 pm
HIV/AIDS has been real to me the last 6 months - diagnosis, pneumonia, hospital stays etc, but for some reason it be came "REALLY real" last Thursday. On the A Train, on my way to see my doctor for my lab results, I knew it was time to start HAART(and the beginning of the rest of my life) and suddenly, the floodgates opened, right there on the train. Hadn't had a good cry in a while, so it was a good thing and now I'm high on Atripla............