No disrespect intended, but was this really necessary? This has to be disclosure thread #236,748 (cross referenced with "criminalization of HIV" thread #158,462). These things always go downhill and they are not appreciated by many of us around here.
But that's just my opinion. Newbies, have at it for all that I care.
Agreed... a lot of hurt feelings generally erupt from the issue of criminalization of HIV as well. While knowledge is always necessary, I don't think any of us are in the spectrum that involves non-disclosure. We care to much for ourselves.. it is what it is though. The newbies can have at it... but in the end it takes time (for some) living with HIV to truly understand the impact criminalization has for all of us.I agree - everytime I have seen a thread with this topic area it always ignites into personal name calling and eventually gets locked.... maybe this time will be different.... ???
I offer the thread good luck anyways.
Ah, three such very unhopeful responses.
If it's not for you, don't come back here.
I posted it to give information for people more naive about the issue then yourselves. I didn't insult anyone. The German story is very much in the news.
P.S. if its in the wrong section, the moderators can move it. Keep your vulgar mouth to yourself, MTD.
Why do you do this, Mecch? Why continually force these divisive issues to the front of the line? Is this a community or a debate class?
We's not criminals for having a virus.
There, I restrained myself and didn't swear in that last sentence.
- matt
C'mon, this is not rocket science. There is a new member on the forum who appears to be...umm...not very knowledgeable about HIV. He asked a question of whether he should disclose his status to his tricks - indicating that he is not aware of the consequences he can face for failing to disclose.
Mech thought it would be useful to start a thread reminding all the new members about the criminal persecution they can face if they fail to disclose to sex partners. It is not meant to be an area to discuss the legal/ethical merits of current legislation - only a brief primer to those who may not be aware of what the law is.
shame-weenie...that is so going on a t-shirt (perhaps with picture)
I fully disagree, Boze. It is an incendiary thread started with no purpose other than a flamewar - only a WEEK after an identical thread was locked.I agree completely that this thread topic - as past recent history has shown - has the potential to be incendiary. I also think it is quite interesting that the "primer" purpose for newbies doesn't seem to be occurring at all. I also agree that newbies can search the past topic areas and find whatever information related to this topic area that they may need to know. Also, information was provided on another thread of where people could look to find out information.
Exactly. Im not flaming anyone.
I didn't see the locked thread. So I certainly didn't create a flame war there, and am not inviting one here.
Newbies may not comment right away. If ever. It was just posted a few hours ago, geez.
I saw several news stories this week about non disclosure and prosecution. Its on the front page in Switzerland. Its a big world.
I think this is shoot the messenger. I dont understand the animosity to me, a member of this community. I didn't write the laws, I don't prosecute them, and I think they are dumb. I think we need to know about them and then each person makes up his own mind about his actions.
I don't understand why bringing attention to state persecution of HIV+ people is considered an offensive act by an HIV+ person, myself, against HIV+ people.
Furthermore, I'm not shaming anyone. It's not a thread about your personal actions.
When I joined this forum, I didn't know much about a lot of things and I learned it by reading peoples conversations. I don't understand why internecene bitchiness among us members, has any value in a thread on a serious topic such as knowing the legal stakes in being HIV+ in certain parts of the world.
Quite a few of you don't personally like me so send me personal hate mail privately but unless you have something constructive and informative to add toward informing people.
Newt is right that a discussion of this topic is difficult but if we can't do it here, what a pity. He is wrong saying non disclosure is not criminal, per se, which is the point of my post, because evidently in some countries and in some states in the US, it a prosecutable offense.
There is a man who may serve 15 years for a one off encounter, in Texas. I personally find this very worrisome and if you do to, why shoot me, the messenger?
Can we stay on the topic and discuss that? Or do you who dislike me so much have to hijack the thread?
"archived"? that was two weeks ago
So if someone started reading the forums this week then they would not see an older thread. I honestly don't even know which thread you guys are talking about and I catch up on these threads daily.
C'mon Fergie, remember the "but he looked so healthy" thread about some fella in Australia? Don't tell me that your memory is failing you this early.
So if someone started reading the forums this week then they would not see an older thread. I honestly don't even know which thread you guys are talking about and I catch up on these threads daily.
So we should do a new thread like this every two weeks, year after year? Oh, what a brilliant idea Hellboy.
So if someone started reading the forums this week then they would not see an older thread. I honestly don't even know which thread you guys are talking about and I catch up on these threads daily.It was there Trey - I very well remember it - In fact, I believe that the resulting comments that the thread incited actually led to a member getting either timed out or banned --- at any rate, I think that much like we provide links to reputable sources for medical information, this thread (at the beginning, if I recall while typing) and the other thread that was locked, as well as a thread that is currently still open have given ample resources to find out legal issues surrounding non-disclosure in a person's respective state/country. Once that info is out there (which it is) anything else that is going to go on in a thread with this type of topic is going to be opinion-based and for sake of debate, argument or dispute. Just my "opinion" on the matter.
Texas Criminal code among way to many pages to post here
Sec. 81.066. CONCEALING COMMUNICABLE DISEASE OR EXPOSURE TO COMMUNICABLE DISEASE; CRIMINAL PENALTY
I didn't see the locked thread. So I certainly didn't create a flame war there, and am not inviting one here.
What, you didn't see a thread you posted in over thirty times? Now I understand some of your responses - you don't read what you're responding to cuz you got your eyes closed or summat.
Ann, I read what I write and I don't need you, a moderator, "mobbing" on me as well. Stop it.
Ah, three such very unhopeful responses.
If it's not for you, don't come back here.
I posted it to give information for people more naive about the issue then yourselves. I didn't insult anyone. The German story is very much in the news.
P.S. if its in the wrong section, the moderators can move it. Keep your vulgar mouth to yourself, MTD.
Okay, now I will start to put on my heat-resistant suit.
I didn't want to create a new thread for this as there seem to be so many lately. I was just reading that an Air Force Sergeant was arrested for allegedly exposing several people to the virus at swinger parties. I thought all military members were tested every 6 months and if you were poz, you could no longer serve. Maybe I'm mistaken. The article didn't say he was a former member of the military. It would be good to hear more details about this.
http://www.poz.com/articles/HIV_sergeant_swingers_1_19027.shtml
(http://tool.shagnasty.net/wiki/images/f/fb/AIDSflu.jpg)
MtD
Very true it seems. Is that a real pic of those a-holes?
Very true it seems. Is that a real pic of those a-holes?
I can't tell Teddy. The masks seem to be covering their assholes. o.O
Which assholes do you mean?
MtD
Isn't that Heidi and Spencer? Looks like them.
skeebo likes girls with issues.
. . . and other things too, I'm told. :)
MtD
It is them two. That pic was a while ago. I believe they're not even together anymore?
OMG, Shoes!
You lost me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCF3ywukQYA
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Trey I want my two minutes backl....
I thought all military members were tested every 6 months and if you were poz, you could no longer serve. Maybe I'm mistaken.
so ya see its VERY important to those of us newbies who dont wanna go to jail. now any advice please?
i didnt read all the posts cuz they were too long, but i must say this. weather you feel like a criminal or not has no bearing on being hauled away to jail. im a newby here and this is a very good thread (apart from the angry people who dont want it up). well news for you i needed this info. i was just diagnosed, and afterwards i went and hooked up with this dude thru craigslist (am i allowed to reference other websites here?). we used protection so i didnt think it was a big deal cuz i wasnt putting him at risk then he found one of my profiles on a hook up site that i sometimes use and it lists me as poz. so he texted me all freaked out and asked why i didnt tell him. i appologised but i knew he wasnt put at risk so i didnt really think about it again. until i heard about criminal law suits being filed for the same thing i did. needless to say im not sure if i should contact him and reappologise and make sure were cool or forget about it and just hope that a cop never shows up asking for me.
so ya see its VERY important to those of us newbies who dont wanna go to jail. now any advice please?
i didnt read all the posts cuz they were too long
I am sorry, I did not read further than this line, because it was too long. I strongly suspect that the information you seek, or at least links to it, are found in one of the messages you skipped.
It is a shame that one of your first acts upon entering this forum is to critique the members and it's threads, especially a thread in which you seem to have actual personal investment.
i didnt read all the posts cuz they were too long, but i must say this. weather you feel like a criminal or not has no bearing on being hauled away to jail. im a newby here and this is a very good thread (apart from the angry people who dont want it up). well news for you i needed this info. i was just diagnosed, and afterwards i went and hooked up with this dude thru craigslist (am i allowed to reference other websites here?). we used protection so i didnt think it was a big deal cuz i wasnt putting him at risk then he found one of my profiles on a hook up site that i sometimes use and it lists me as poz. so he texted me all freaked out and asked why i didnt tell him. i appologised but i knew he wasnt put at risk so i didnt really think about it again. until i heard about criminal law suits being filed for the same thing i did. needless to say im not sure if i should contact him and reappologise and make sure were cool or forget about it and just hope that a cop never shows up asking for me.
so ya see its VERY important to those of us newbies who dont wanna go to jail. now any advice please?