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Title: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on August 29, 2008, 08:21:46 pm
This, for one, debunks one thing Mccain has been saying, that Obama's vp pick would not influence his vp pick. Its obvious it did...

Second, she fits the republicans "three G's" standards... Guns, God and Gays.

Third, Mccain really thinks that Hillary voters just want a woman in the mix, doesn’t matter who as long as its a woman. Mccain is gravely WRONG!
Hillary voters loved Hillary because she WAS Hillary. Not just because she is a woman.

And last, for democrats this pick is moot.

Its the republicans that will have to realize Mccain has derailed the republican party from its traditional "old white mans club".
I can just feel republicans again fearing that Mccain is, as they have feared, NOT in the republican loop. Not a player. Not "one of them" at heart.

I almost feel sorry for republicans. It would be like if democrats picked Lieberman or old Zen Miller to be their candidate.
This has to, in reality, make republicans VERY VERY nervous about Mccain...
I can hear many of them saying in private... SEE, I told you so, Mccains just TOO different for us!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: thunter34 on August 29, 2008, 08:28:53 pm
Trust me...I am way surrounded by Republican minded people much of the time, and yes...the VP decision is already causing alarm.  The main reason I'm hearing is because of her overall lack of experience.  McCain is 72...most of the old-timers who seem to be the biggest base of the party know all too well what that could mean for whoever fills the VP slot.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Queen Tokelove on August 29, 2008, 10:15:45 pm
I thought for sure he was gonna go with Tom Ridge since he(McCain) was just here visiting him a few weeks ago. Most people recognize the game for what it is as far as choosing her. And why pick someone who has drama in her own backyard? If anything, folks are really going to be eyeballing her to see how that plays out. And she is a bit long in the tooth to be popping out a baby. I say we give her a reality show, why not, if they can give one to Luke. :P
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Basquo on August 29, 2008, 11:28:30 pm
Maybe he wants to mentor her.  What's wrong with a white presidential candidate picking a younger woman to be his intern? Or "tapping" her for that, to use more contemporary language?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Cliff on August 30, 2008, 04:20:28 am
My first impression is that it was a desperate pick and a risky one at that.  She is unknown and hasn't had much media attention over the years, (other than being voted the sexiest this and the hottest that).  I wonder how well she was vetted.  Should she have some skeletons in the closet (and we all do), they will come out just before the election.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: StrongGuy on August 30, 2008, 05:10:07 am
I just saw James Dobson was ecstatic over her nomination so that killed any momentary flirt I had with that ticket. Obama it is...but I'm glad I don't feel emotionally vested. What will be will be.

I do think it was a smart pick. She's the VP, not the president and her resume is comparable to Obama's so he doesn't want to be talking about experience all day.

Plus there are a lot of women who have their radars on high gear after what they perceive as sexist treatment of Hillary (I'm not saying this to debate the point, just state the fact that this is a perception and polling shows there is a between 21% or more of Hillary supporters who won't vote for Obama). And Republicans love to flame these types of  wars and are a heck of a lot better at it than Democrats.

I already read some stuff calling her a "naughty school teacher" and some other urepeatables that will anger - especially after we see her bio displayed at the convention as a mother with a baby that has Downe's Syndrome and someone who, though I would say is on the wrong side of the issues, tackles motherhood and got into elected office to be a reformer.  They need to be careful and I have not been impressed with his surrogates ability to respectfully deal with this conversation.

Makes for a fun race - going to be good fun. History will be made whichever side wins!

Mike :)

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Cliff on August 30, 2008, 06:28:43 am
Pallin will be serving under McCain, who has gone out of way to deny equal rights/pay to women.  She is pro-life, a NRA card-carrier, doesn't believe in evolution or in climate change.  She also wants to drill in the Arctic reserve and off the shores of all states.  I have a hard time seeing the attraction of Hillary voters, unless one assumes that the only motivation to vote for Clinton was gender.  I don't think that was the case.  I think her politics were just as important, if not more so.  Plus I think the so-called disgruntled Clinton supporter ready to vote for McCain is largely a media ratings-driven event (which is getting tiresome).  I think McCain is going after another set of voters with this choice.  He's getting his christian, conservative base (particularly those in the West and South) excited about his campaign.  Up until now, he hasn't been able to generate much excitement.

I doubt Obama/Biden will attack her on experience (the media will probably do that for them).  But I do think it does somewhat take the issue away from McCain.  How hard can he attack Obama on experience given his own VP choice (a selection much more important than Obama's choice considering McCain's age and health)?

My first impression was that this choice was likely to backfire on him and I can't wait to see the VP debate!

Cliff
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 30, 2008, 08:38:03 am
Here's a little light reading on Gov. Sarah "Oil Lobbyist Loving, Use the Governor's office to Fire Those who Divorce my Sister, Polar Bear Killing, Teach Creationism in Our Schools, Deny Women Control of their Bodies, Pat Buchanan Supporting, I Haven't Really Kept up with What's Going On in Iraq" Quayle Palin.



http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/wash-post-interviews-public-safety.html


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/three-words.html


http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/29/231114/892


John McCain - Putting. Country. Last.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: jkinatl2 on August 30, 2008, 08:57:20 am
McCain will win. Republicans have long known that the fairer species thinks and acts with their hoo hoos.

*sarcasm

**edited for Tori Spelling
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 30, 2008, 09:00:47 am
And her greatest hits just keep on coming......



http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/29/182233/307


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by Natasha Chart, Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:22:33 PM EST

 


This is what NOW's Kim Gandy reports as being Sarah Palin's position on abortion:


In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would "choose life" -- meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

Charming. I bet the McCain campaign is hoping she'll avoid mentioning this while trying to connect to the average, American parent."
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: thunter34 on August 30, 2008, 11:23:36 am
Let's face it:  While she may be shaky as a candidate in terms of experience, as a "brand" she couldn't have been better unless she had plopped out that Downs Syndrome baby by virgin birth.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 30, 2008, 11:30:13 am
Let's face it:  While she may be shaky as a candidate in terms of experience, as a "brand" she couldn't have been better unless she had plopped out that Downs Syndrome baby by virgin birth.


What wine pairs best with a Mooseburger?...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Lisa on August 30, 2008, 11:35:41 am
Let the games begin. I don't thin McCain made a very wise choice.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on August 30, 2008, 02:49:37 pm
 ;D



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Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Queen Tokelove on August 30, 2008, 06:12:27 pm
;D



And we know what happened to those 2(in pic) now don't we. I can see McCain now dropping dead by playing bedroom olympics with Palin or having a heart attack when Cindy starts chasing after his ass over his affair uh, faux pau.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Oceanbeach on August 31, 2008, 03:19:49 am
My internet news provider says she is a former beauty queen.  Now she has her chance to stop opening supermarkets and really work for world peace  ;D  Have the best day
Michael
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on August 31, 2008, 07:30:41 am
     Just shows that McCains Judgement is off. Met her once. Mayor of 9000. Gov. of 600,000. No Foreign Policy Experience. Anti gay. Anti Abortion even for Rape victims.Anti Gun control. Thinks shes going to ride on Hillarys coat tails speech on the Glass ceiling. Women of America are not that stupid. First he wanted his wife to be in a Beauty Pagent...Now he picks a Beauty pagent queen. Not lets not forget when the comment was made about Hillary being a B*TCH and he laughed. Hes such a sexist pig. I pray that the women of America see right through his blatant exploitation.Predictable and it shows hes running scared. OBAMA for President. Enough is Enough.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 31, 2008, 07:40:54 am
And don't forget about the polar bears!....


 
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 31, 2008, 07:54:00 am
Fun Fact: The McCain/Palin ticket has 10 homes between them:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/08/29/palins_homes.html

Just sayin'....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Cliff on August 31, 2008, 06:49:59 pm
Have you guys seen reports that:

a) Palin was in Texas at an energy conference while 8 months pregnant (with a special needs child, Trig).  Her water broke (or leaked, depending on the story) and yet she chose to remain at the energy conference to give a speech but then boarded a 10 hour flight (a layover in Seattle) for Alaska.  Kinda odd given it was a high risk birth and her 5th, so labor could have been relatively short.

b) Alleged reports that she wasn't really pregnant but was faking a pregnancy to cover for the pregnancy of her teenage daughter, Bristol.  Seems rubbish.

c) That Bristol is indeed pregnant and the family is covering it up (but Trig is her brother).  Seems more plausible.

See McCain's daughter blog.  Bristol is generally the one covering her stomach, usually with Trig.  But the picture labeled "Getting ready for the People Magazine photo shoot" gives a side view.

http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928.shtml (http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928.shtml)

It's a family matter, but does bring to question Palin's beliefs against teaching sex education in high school and allowing teenagers access to birth control/condoms.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on August 31, 2008, 07:10:15 pm
The pregnant story seems way out there, but I suppose anything is possible. I do believe her candidacy will implode before October. If it does, it's President Obama.

It is a weird story, very Northen Exposure.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on August 31, 2008, 07:26:35 pm
It's probably a blatantly unfair comment, but I'm troubled by the idea of a semi-literate VP.  Take a look at this letter she wrote trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired.  She doesn't seem to know the difference between "who" and "whom" or "incident" and "incidence"...

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/07/23/10/palin-email.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

I know, I know, Bush set the bar pretty low, but even so...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 31, 2008, 07:44:50 pm
Oh my......

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014490.php
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 31, 2008, 07:54:47 pm
From deep within the files of the Mccain campaign, it has been unearthed. Sarah Palin's resume....

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/30/134821/488
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on August 31, 2008, 09:49:52 pm
Does this require a login ID?  I can see the comments but not the file?

From deep within the files of the Mccain campaign, it has been unearthed. Sarah Palin's resume....

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/30/134821/488
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Catman on August 31, 2008, 10:37:43 pm
I am not a republican, but I cannot stop smiling about McCain's choice! It's pretty exciting about picking a woman to get back to what the Democrats did not dare do. More so with the "experience" this lady has. It's so fun and getting so much attention that it's like a reality show, "oh, it is reality!" Who knows, if they win maybe she'll give us a big surprise at those who laughed! :o

I do congratulate McCain for his bravery in breaking the Republican norm! ;D Maybe he is showing a different personality now so people will stop comparing him to Bush!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on August 31, 2008, 10:52:58 pm
Does this require a login ID?  I can see the comments but not the file?


Trust me...you saw it....

I am not a republican, but I cannot stop smiling about McCain's choice! It's pretty exciting about picking a woman to get back to what the Democrats did not dare do. More so with the "experience" this lady has. It's so fun and getting so much attention that it's like a reality show, "oh, it is reality!" Who knows, if they win maybe she'll give us a big surprise at those who laughed! :o

I do congratulate McCain for his bravery in breaking the Republican norm! ;D Maybe he is showing a different personality now so people will stop comparing him to Bush!

yeah, good luck with that...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 08:36:43 am
From the August 29th People:

Sen. McCain, of all the candidates you considered, what drew you to her?

JOHN: Obviously, I found her to be very intelligent and very well-versed on the issues. But I think the important thing was that she's a reformer. She's taken on special interests since she ran for the PTA and the city council and mayor. The courage, I guess, is what most impressed me



Wow...taking on the special interests in the Wasilla, Alaska PTA is now a qualification for the Vice Presidency....Hey Senator Mc Cain, I was chairman of the yard sale committee for my previous neighborhood association....how bout considering me for Treasury Secretary?...Jebus H. Christ...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: AlanBama on September 01, 2008, 10:15:07 am
LOL @ Hal   ;D 

Some commentator on FOX news said "well she does have some foreign relations experience; she lives in Alaska and isn't that right next to Russia?"     SERIOUSLY.   

Maybe at the convention she'll wear an American flag G-string and two pinwheels for pasties and stick sparklers in her up-do.    Oh wait, they may have to DELAY the convention, out of concern for the Gulf Coast.....

it's all about timing.

 ;)

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: BT65 on September 01, 2008, 12:09:18 pm
Some commentator on FOX news said "well she does have some foreign relations experience; she lives in Alaska and isn't that right next to Russia?"     SERIOUSLY.   

 :D :D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: StrongGuy on September 01, 2008, 12:26:00 pm
I scanned some of the liberal blogs and it seems they are trying to find anything and everything to throw at her and see what sticks. The conspiracy theory that her daughter really had her last child made me shake my head - people really need to know when to land the ship. And it reeks of knee-jerk panic.

Seems like the wider media is giving Palin pretty good reviews. My Republican friends seem really pumped up. Having the right-wing grassroots and noise machine fired up is a plus for McCain alone.  Once again the Republicans will control the narrative as they are so adept at doing in these presidential elections.

And a CNN poll today has the race tied and the tracking polls are all deflating back to closer levels. And Laura Bush today warned the Democrats about sexism against Palin. They are playing this choice like a violin while the left is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and is lucky the MSM isn't running with some of this conspiracy junk as it will just tarnish Obama.

Doesn't surprise me though...I'm an optimist generally, but not when it comes to Democrat's ability to win presidential elections. It's gonna be a nail biter IMHO.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 01, 2008, 12:31:16 pm
Seems the daughter is pregnant.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc_3
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: BT65 on September 01, 2008, 12:37:18 pm
My apologies for the length of this; I got this e-mail this morning (pasted):

Regardless of who you are planning to vote for, please read this email I received from a good friend. Please share this with as many people as possible.




This is from a Bryn Mawr college grad to her fellow alums

Dear classmates -

As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on
Sarah Palin, Senator McCain's choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I
know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that
he picked her.

The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in

the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life
time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow
indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska , particularly wolves and
bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial
hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars
that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska 's failing school
system.




We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the
country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad,
but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are
many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is
appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial
hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to
informative web sites.




She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet
the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has "green" policies. The
only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has
consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power
plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home
town of Wasilla ), strip mining, and almost anything else that will
unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy
its environment.




Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska , she was mayor of Wasilla,
a small red neck town outside Anchorage.The average maximum education
level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade.
Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and
other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put
Palin in office in the first place. I know what I'm talking about.




These people don't have a concept of the world around them or of the
serious issues facing the US . Furthermore, they don't care. So long as
they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears
and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the
wilderness, they're happy. I wish I were exaggerating.




Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal.
She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn't
like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man's
performance and ability weren't considered; it was a totally personal
firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn't
close to the scandal of Ted Steven's corruption, it shows that Palin
isn't "squeaky clean" and causes me to think there may be more issues
that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn't care.




When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable
if it weren't so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics
(admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs,
knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment,
health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads
of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.
In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in
the US , Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president.



John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that
the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and
possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate
as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try
to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. when McCain introduced her
today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and
Geraldine Ferraro.



Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton.
To those of you who, like me, supported Hillary and were upset that she
did not get the nomination, please don't think that Sarah Palin is a
worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you
think the media and the democratic party may have done to undermine
her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To
those of you who are independent or undecided, don't let the choice of
Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified
McCain is to be president.



To those of you who are conservative, I
guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the
poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain's judgment.
While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is
obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally,
a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and
unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president.
I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high.
I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political
affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to
live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis.




Here's a sample of Alaskan's responses:
She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. Rose M., Fairbanks , AK

She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska . Christine B., Denali Park , AK

As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. Karen L., Anchorage , AK

Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.Sherry C., Anchorage , AK

She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. Marina L., Juneau , AK

I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK

Please forward this to everyone you know!
Best regards,

Bentonne


 
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 01, 2008, 12:39:14 pm
Yep, it's official, she's preggers. So much for Palin teaching abstinence only. I'm sorry, but they should have come clean on this before accepting the nomination. Like I said her candidacy will implode.

I feel sorry for the daughter.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 12:41:42 pm
I scanned some of the liberal blogs and it seems they are trying to find anything and everything to throw at her and see what sticks. The conspiracy theory that her daughter really had her last child made me shake my head - people really need to know when to land the ship. And it reeks of knee-jerk panic.

Seems like the wider media is giving Palin pretty good reviews. My Republican friends seem really pumped up. Having the right-wing grassroots and noise machine fired up is a plus for McCain alone.  Once again the Republicans will control the narrative as they are so adept at doing in these presidential elections.

And a CNN poll today has the race tied and the tracking polls are all deflating back to closer levels. And Laura Bush today warned the Democrats about sexism against Palin. They are playing this choice like a violin while the left is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks and is lucky the MSM isn't running with some of this conspiracy junk as it will just tarnish Obama.

Doesn't surprise me though...I'm an optimist generally, but not when it comes to Democrat's ability to win presidential elections. It's gonna be a nail biter IMHO.




Yeah Strong,  the great reviews are just rolling in.....


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3607280,00.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/08/30/2008-08-30_sarah_palins_motherinlaw_uncertain_about.html



http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2VhOWE0N2VkOWI3MDdlODRlZWE4ODljMDc2NjliZDk=


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083101553.html?sub=new


Haven't heard the one about the baby...and have no desire to....there are plenty of real reasons to oppose (and mock) this travesty....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 12:42:37 pm
Seems the daughter is pregnant.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc_3

Conceiving children out of wedlock runs in the Palin family.  The Governor did the same thing with her first child.  For some reason I'm quite sure it says not to allow this in the Bible, but then hypocrisy was never the evangelicals' strong suit.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 12:47:39 pm
The conspiracy theory that her daughter really had her last child made me shake my head - people really need to know when to land the ship. And it reeks of knee-jerk panic.

Yeah, and nobody believed that Larry Craig had been stall camping at Union Station in DC for years before his star power toe tapping in the Minneapolis airport.

You have to admit that it's very strange to know that you're pregnant with a Downs Syndrome baby, have your water break during a speech in Texas, and then fly back on a 9 hour flight to Alaska to give birth.  I'm not a female, but from what I've heard one immediately goes to a hospital when this occurs.

It's also rather strange to keep your child out of school for 5 months for having Mononucleosis.  When I had mono I was only out of commission for 10-14 days IIRC.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 12:48:07 pm
Well Philly, now we get a chance to see her much celebrated principles in action...as she forces her 17 yr old daughter to have a baby and marry the father so that mommy can get a better job!...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 12:52:09 pm
I also find it VERY ODD that ANY woman with a 4 month old Downs Syndrome child would even consider running for Vice President.  I guess the real mother, the one that's pregnant again and is the daughter, will actually be taking care of the child.

PRAISE!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 12:53:16 pm
PRAISE! 

Indeed....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: revann33 on September 01, 2008, 01:15:31 pm
I knew something was up with the daughter because I have yet to see Palin hold her baby since the announcement.  The daughter was always holding him. I guess we know why.

It does speak volumes to the rep view of teaching abstenance only.  It's working! ;)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 01, 2008, 01:20:12 pm
A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.

This is laughable. Obama had to set up a website to fight the lies and rumors started by the Republicans and perpetuated by the main stream medium.

All of this does not reflect on the Palin's as much as it does on McCain's judgement.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 03:09:43 pm
Evidently, Gov. Palin is also not very intelligent (http://feeds.dailykos.com/~r/dailykos/index/~3/380638645/11620).
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Oceanbeach on September 01, 2008, 03:37:09 pm
Hey Hi, You All,

I am a little confused on this lady.  We know she was a beauty queen, Miss Small Town, somewhere.  Someone I know said, he thought she had been a cheerleader.  A lady on the news said they really miss her.  She seems sweet and nice, the girl next door and loved in her community.  She works, she is a mom.  Isn't she the Mayor?  How is she qualified to be second in command of the USA?

Has McBush chosen a beautiful, loving (and possibly, not very bright) running mate as a joke?  This could be more fun the Dan(it's a pleasure to be in Latin America, now I wish I could speak Latin) Quayle, the jokes will write themselves.

OR

Is this candidate a sheer genius in disquise?

As of today, if I were Republican, I would never admit it in public  ;D  Have the best day
Michael
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Oceanbeach on September 01, 2008, 03:45:40 pm
 ;D

Since I already reserved a space here, I may as well ask another question.  It is beginning to appear the Palin family could put the FUN in dysfunctional and the VP candidate is a mother and a grandmother.  Is it possible this is a publicity stunt?  The press announced Mitt Romney was scheduled to be at the RNC, following the DNC, but Mike Huckabee was not scheduled to attend.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 03:51:11 pm
drip drip drip (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/01/palins-husband-has-dwi-arrest/)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 01, 2008, 07:42:26 pm

Not that I am paying attention, But it seems that Palins unmarried 17 year old daughter is pregnant :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-my-daughter-is-preg_n_122947.html

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 08:46:07 pm
It seems that you can't fool all of the people all of the time...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014502.php
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 08:51:07 pm
ABC NEWS CONFIRMS THAT PALIN WAS AN AIP (ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY) MEMBER...

Country first, my ass...

 http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/193111/4427/159/582600
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 01, 2008, 09:32:03 pm
wow... that's rather serious
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 01, 2008, 10:33:25 pm
From the Q and A page of the Alaska Independence Party:

Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.

Q: Aren't most Alaskan Independence Party members a bunch of radicals and Kooks?

A: The party has its share of individualists, in the grand Alaskan tradition. No longer a fringe party, the A.I.P. is a viable third party with a serious mission and qualified candidates for elected offices.

Q: If Alaska became independent, wouldn't we lose a lot of federal money?

A: No. If Alaska returned to territorial status, most federal money would still be available. If Alaska were to attain complete independence, its revenues from oil and other natural resources would far exceed the amounts currently received from the federal government, at our current level of resource utilization.

Q: If Alaska were independent, what would happen to my social security check, federal pension, or military retirement?

A: People receive these checks around the world, regardless of their place of residence. In most cases eligibility for such checks would not be effected by Alaskan independence.

Q: If Alaska became independent, would U.S. military bases leave?

A: The strategic location of Alaska would indicate that it would serve U.S. interests to maintain a presence in Alaska. The military are good neighbors. There would be no compelling reason for the military to leave Alaska.

Q: Didn't we vote for statehood already?

A: The vote for statehood was invalid because the people were not presented with the range of options available to them. Further, the federal government has since breached the contract for statehood on numerous occasions in over a dozen serious and substantial instances.

Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?

A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington's.

Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald's?

A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.


To sum up folks, Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin is a member of a political party which advocates session from the United States, calling the US a country in "moral, economic, and educational decay" (of course they promise that all independent Alaskans could still suck off the rest of us for Social Security checks etc...)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 02, 2008, 09:19:19 am
Its Zell Miller, not Zen. My bad.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 11:25:34 am
We’re Sorry, But Palin Baby Daddy Levi Johnston Is Sex on Skates (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/09/were_sorry_but_palin_babydaddy.html)

(http://images.nymag.com/daily/intel/02_levi_lgl.jpg)

Johnston is basically the quintessential example of that guy who you are constantly worried is going to impregnate your daughter (and occasionally does). He's a handsome stud, an athletic star, and he has a criminal record. (For illegally fishing some Alaskan king salmon from Moose Lake out of season. Best crime ever!) He even has a fake blog already (Sample headline: "ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!"). Plus, he described himself as a "fuckin' redneck" on his now-defunct MySpace page, which is basically the truest combination of two words anyone has made during this whole campaign. Dude, Honest Abe himself would want this guy in the Lincoln bedroom.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 12:47:13 pm
... it was inevitable

(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8816/28iapoicd5.jpg)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 02, 2008, 12:59:21 pm
Oh it gets better.


was planning on the IMS party for Laura Bush but it was cancelled. so would like to bust a nut and have some other fun.


http://wonkette.com/402449/a-childrens-treasury-of-republican-m4m-ads-in-minneapolis-st-paul#more-402449
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Peter Staley on September 02, 2008, 01:28:29 pm
I agree with Sonomabeach's take on how this pick played out this weekend.  The Sunday morning shows (any most TV pundits) were definitely giving her kind reviews overall.

But the blogosphere was going nuts, and as of today, things are beginning to unravel in the MSM as well.

Check out the lead story on the NY Times website:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html

I think the Alaska Independence Party thing is huge.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 02, 2008, 01:30:49 pm
OMG!!!!

*** CNN BREAKING NEWS:***
CNN says they just found out Palin's daughter is also Gay and had a Gay wedding in Massachusetts with another woman.

*** MORE BREAKING NEWS:***
Republican convention scrambles to amend its anti Gay marriage platform.

(Just kidding .... or am I ?)   ;)


Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Oceanbeach on September 02, 2008, 01:51:56 pm

What wine pairs best with a Mooseburger?...

Gallo, Boones Farm  ;D  Have the best day
Michael
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Denver Toad on September 02, 2008, 02:04:49 pm
Quote
Just 20 months ago, she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, a town of 6,500 where the biggest issue is controlling growth and the biggest annual worry is whether there will be enough snow for the Iditarod dog-mushing race.


Quote from the Sunday Wasilla newspaper.

And this is the most qualified VP candidate in the whole of the Republican party? Gimme a break. I was class president in High School, perhaps I could be Secretary of Education ?   
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 02, 2008, 02:08:49 pm
Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Queen Tokelove on September 02, 2008, 03:16:27 pm
Let's be real with it, shall we:

For one, the woman is Governor of Alaska (northern exposure keeps jumping in my head for some reason), where the hell would she have time to take care of a child with Down's Syndrome? And if she is indeed shuffling the child on her daughter, is it a wonder the girl popped up pregnant? Shame on Palin for turning her daughter into a nanny. Perfect example look at how much time MinisMum has to herself and she has 6 kids that are special needs, I think. Sorry, Mum, you're the first person that came to mind here.

Like Aunty said, I feel sorry for the poor girl. She probably knows that her baby's daddy is a drunken whoremonger and is now forced into a shotgun marriage. I predict the poor thing will be in therapy for years.

I can't see how this a plus for McCain and if he made it to office and croaked the next day, all these issues Palin is having now would probably be flipped into reasons to impeach her from office. What a bang up job the Republicans are doing, this should be a slam dunk for Obama now.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 03:23:34 pm
Evidently Sarah was a staunch advocate of library book banning.

This entire article is most disturbing.  No wonder radical cleric Dobson adores her.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 02, 2008, 04:12:11 pm
Great article Philly ...My fave section...

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

St. George, however, points out that Palin couldn't have seen everything through an Evangelical lens. She did, he says, notably resist calls to restrict operating hours for the bars in town. And even if faith did play an unusually large role in her decision-making as mayor, it may have only reflected the continued rise of Evangelicalism in the valley, a growth that continues to this day.

"We like to call this the Bible Belt of Alaska," says Cheryl Metiva, head of the local chamber of commerce. Churches proliferate in Wasilla today, and among the largest and most influential is the Wasilla Bible Church, where the Palins worship.

At the 11:15 a.m. Sunday service, hundreds sit in folding chairs, listening to a 20-minute sermon about the Book of Malachi and singing along to alt-rock praise songs. The only sign of culture warring in the whole production is an insert in the day's program advertising an upcoming Focus on the Family conference on homosexuality in Anchorage called Love Won Out. The group promises to teach attendees how to "respond to misinformation in our culture" and help them "overcome" homosexuality.

When Palin, who went on to win re-election by a landslide, was forced out of the Mayor's office by term limits in 2002, her husband Todd's stepmother Faye Palin ran for mayor. She did not, however, get Sarah Palin's endorsement. A couple of people told me that they thought abortion was the reason for Palin not supporting her family member — Faye, they say, is pro-choice, not to mention a Democrat. A former city council member recalls that it was a heated race, mainly because of right-to-life issues: "People were writing BABYKILLER on Faye's campaign signs just a few days before the election." Faye Palin lost the race to the candidate that Sarah backed, Dianne Keller, who is still mayor of Wasilla. (Over the weekend, Faye Palin told the New York Daily News that she liked listening to Barack Obama speak and that she wasn't sure who she would vote for in November.)


They are stuck with their bad choice. The McCain folks can't dump her now, for fear of enraging the theocrats who run the state republican parties...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: BlueMoon on September 02, 2008, 06:34:18 pm
Quote
They are stuck with their bad choice.

Gawd forbid that we should get stuck too.  Anything that makes James Dobson happy has to be bad news.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 07:19:26 pm
Lovely... someone posted the now "private" image files of Bristol Palin (edit: correction -- these are from Levi's sisters myspace page.  Evidently the entire Greater Wasilla metropolitan area has spent the past weekend scrubbing all traces of teenage debauchery... it's amazing how much booze evangelicals consume when pregnant though)

http://flickr.com/photos/30128128@N04/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2819780518_685e2d0d5f_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 02, 2008, 07:20:22 pm
So guess which former mayor of Wasilla and staunch opponent of earmarks presided over the hiring of the town's first Washington lobbyist?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94203271

Pretty effective too  -- they took in $27 milion.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 07:59:27 pm
THIS IS FUN!
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1999/cover2ok5.jpg)

Naturally, I found this on freerepublic (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2073349/posts) and comment 10 reads: Jan Wenner, a rich fag who wants to attack all that’s good and decent so he will feel better about being a total degenerate asshole.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 02, 2008, 09:27:02 pm
OK, I'd not normally go with the National Enquirer but they WERE right about John Edwards, so who maybe they're correct.  Evidently they've just dispatched a scandal SWAT team to Alaska:

source (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sarah_palin_at_war_with_her_daughter_over_pregnancy_wedding/celebrity/65370)

Quote
PALIN WAR: TEEN PREGO CRISIS

Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to quietly have her daughter Bristol get married before news of her pregnancy leaked out, the NATIONAL ENQUIRER is reporting exclusively in its new issue.
 
Palin planned for the wedding to take place right after the Republican National Convention and then she was going to announce the pregnancy.

But Bristol, 17, refused to go along with the plan and that sparked a mother-daughter showdown over the failed coverup.
 
The ultra-conservative governor’s announcement about her daughter’s pregnancy came hours after The ENQUIRER informed her representatives and family members of Levi Johnston, the father of Bristol’s child, that we were aware of the pregnancy and were going to break the news.

In a preemptive strike Palin released the news, creating political shockwaves.
 
The ENQUIRER has also learned that Palin’s family is embroiled in a vicious war that is now exposing her darkest secrets, threatening to destroy her political career.

Palin’s ongoing war with her ex brother-in-law Mike Wooten, a state trooper, has caused multiple sources to come forward with shocking allegations about the governor.
 
 Details of those allegations, the family feud, and Palin’s attempt to cover up her teen daughter’s pregnancy are in the new issue of The ENQUIRER.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 02, 2008, 10:56:54 pm
Let's see....let's see...what catches my eye tonight...oh, how bout this....

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/2/222933/3057

I have a feeling Obama's few remaining problems with the Jewish vote have just gone away....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 03, 2008, 12:57:12 am
wow... brilliant
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 03, 2008, 02:36:30 pm
How much more of this before the angry withdrawal?...
60...59....58.....


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php


Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 03, 2008, 10:00:51 pm
Those pesky open mikes.....

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/3/164525/6663
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 03, 2008, 10:21:17 pm
Yeah, I saw that one earlier today.  Absolutely the bestest :)  THANKS PEGGY!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: minismom on September 03, 2008, 11:17:08 pm
Quick hijack to tell Queen that, yes, we have 6 children but only 5 have special needs.

I also wanted to add that I'm a fan of Palin and of James Dobson. (NOT McCain)  I may not agree with everything they believe.  Nor do I agree with decisions that she's reportedly made concerning her family.  But, over-all, I like the lady.  She comes acrossed, with all of her issues, as human. I've made loads of mistakes in my life.  I just have the privelage of not having the media following me around pointing the spotlight on them.

Mum (who's now going into the witness protection program ;))
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 04, 2008, 12:30:47 am
Well she spoke and...

If the country needs a dog fight instead of unity, then the GOP is the way to go.
If people want to be ruled by a Rush Limbaugh mentality, then the GOP is the way to go.
And where will it get us in 4 more years? No where.

Republicans laughing with a woman laughing at a black mans devotion in helping
inner city poor kids.... well you make the call.
And they have the nerve to have the flag waving in the background...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 04, 2008, 12:32:44 am
PS...

What an ugly speech from a pretty woman.
This is why I'm glad to be democrat, and always will be that way.

Obviously the GOP has not changed since 2000, 2004 and before that.
Their theme remains the same. Division.

Us against them. You against me.
Not one word of unity or country. But I'm really disappointed with McCain the most.
I don’t know Palin, but McCain should know better.

So its clear as glass. If the republicans keep the power, we will continue to have
an ugly divided country.
The one thing Obama wants to change is that division. But as usual the GOP doesn’t get it.
The GOP can’t understand the message Obama offers.
Very ugly and divisive ticket the GOP is pushing.
And for them to utter the name of Abraham Lincoln and religion as on their side,
that alone is nothing short of bone chilling and exposes their true ugly soul.

Good speech, yes, if your goal is to divide the country and keep it that way.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Cliff on September 04, 2008, 06:45:16 am
I don't understand the argument that Obama isn't fit to be an executive because he doesn't have executive experience (like being a small town mayor/governor for 20 months).  Doesn't that mean McCain, who also has only been a Senator/Congressman, is also not fit to be in the Executive branch of government?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 04, 2008, 07:49:42 am


I also wanted to add that I'm a fan of Palin and of James Dobson.

I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect, but I assume you do know Dobson's views on homosexuality? I hope that's at least one area where you disagree with the man.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on September 04, 2008, 07:56:44 am
Her speech made me sick. Her balant attacks on Obama were so uncalled for. Where is the Unity? I don`t want a pit bull in office who wears lipstick. I still believe the wrong choice was made on Mccains part. Typical Republican reterict. Be afraid America, be very afraid. Thats what they like us to be, afraid.
  I don`t think being sarcastic was an admirable trait. It made her look bitter and ugly.Did you hear them chanting, "Drill baby drill"...Ugh. They definitely don`t get it and never will.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08 Unity will win out. Republicans just want to divide us, and that doesn`t work. It hasn`t and never will.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: bocker3 on September 04, 2008, 07:58:56 am
I had been trying to stay out of this thread, because I am finding comments in here to be simply more negative  political talk on par with that being spewed by the McCain/Plain ticket.  I really do prefer civil political discourse.  We can disagree in a calm and clear voice -- using facts to persuade people - and spending less time saying what is wrong with the other and more time on why someone should be elected.  I know, I know -- blast away at me -- I live in a fantasy world, but as I've said in another post, I am far more interested in why I should vote for someone vs. why I should NOT vote for someone.  Ultimately they are the same story -- one just hits me as more palatable.

However, I couldn't resist sharing this...............


I don't understand the argument that Obama isn't fit to be an executive because he doesn't have executive experience (like being a small town mayor/governor for 20 months).  Doesn't that mean McCain, who also has only been a Senator/Congressman, is also not fit to be in the Executive branch of government?

Oh no McCain has executive experience -- because (I forget which talking head made this comment on the Today show the other morning), because "McCain has led men into battle".

Yep -- heard it with my own 2 ears. 

Mike
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 04, 2008, 08:04:46 am
Yes, we must all rise above the fray, ::) but when McCain's campaign manager says, "this campaign is not about the issues" it's a clear signal where they are headed. They lose on the issues so, culture wars anyone?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 04, 2008, 08:24:15 am
Republicans just want to divide us, and that doesn`t work. It hasn`t and never will.

Sorry, it does and it will. Hopefully America will see through their game this time. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 04, 2008, 09:16:37 am
good speech...well presented...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Peter Staley on September 04, 2008, 10:41:15 am
I also wanted to add that I'm a fan of Palin and of James Dobson.

This hurts.  Dobson has spent the bulk of his career trying to deny me any rights, and deny my boyfriend any rights, and deny the rights of all gay and lesbian Americans.  This has been his primary mission with his public advocacy.  Palin (like McCain) is against sex education in schools, and instead supports scientifically debunked abstinence-only programs (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1320417.aspx).  Thanks to this Bush/McCain/Palin policy (federal funding of abstinence-only programs instead of sex education programs), we've been seeing rising rates of HIV infections in American teens.

I'm a huge Mini and Minimom fan, but please do some research on how Dobson has spent his life calling me and all gay Americans worthy of God's "punishment" and thus not worthy of the rights you enjoy.  Please study Palin's and McCain's domestic AIDS record.

That said, this reply is not meant to intimidate.  I really do appreciate the honesty of your post.  It's only through dialogue that any of us can learn, grow, and understand eachother.

Peter
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: David_CA on September 04, 2008, 01:03:39 pm
This is what I think of when I think of Dobson (which is not very often):


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Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 04, 2008, 01:28:09 pm
These people are sad:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: thunter34 on September 04, 2008, 09:46:28 pm
Republicans just want to divide us, and that doesn`t work. It hasn`t and never will.

Sorry, it does and it will. Hopefully America will see through their game this time. Hopefully.

Sure does.  I see in this very thread where I posted how concerned all the local Reps were concernced about the choice just a few days ago.  As far as I can tell, they have since all jumped on the bandwagon.  They're completely buying the whole thing - even willing to pay retail for it.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: northernguy on September 04, 2008, 11:43:47 pm
Watching Sarah Palin I kept thinking of Bettytacy's signature:  When fascism comes to America,
it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross
.-Sinclair Lewis. Add that it will be wearing a smart little outfit and you have Palin pegged.  Book banning, hypocritical abstinence teachings, pit bull tactics..sadly its all there.  As to her experience: why was the mayor of a town of 9,000 making $75k?  How do you leave a town of 9,000 saddled with a $15 million deficit?  So very many questions...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: AlanBama on September 05, 2008, 12:42:23 pm
I listened to her speech...she has certain gifts.   I found her cynical and smart alecky; she could always go into stand-up comedy, if politics doesn't work out.

I was so p.o.'d at Anderson Cooper last night (and I normally like him a lot)   After McCain's speech, he stated that "McCain had definitely upped his game and laid out very specific plans for how to move the country forward, unlike the democrats".   What speech was he listening to?  I didn't hear ONE WORD of anything concrete, just more pie-in-the-sky foolishness.

As McCain said, we are ALL Americans, we are all deserving of the same rights (except gays, handicapped people, veterans, women who expect equal pay for equal work, etc etc etc).

As JK says, "I call bullshit"

Alan

(PS - I have decided NOT to buy Goodyear tires for my car, since they discriminated against a woman in management and would not give her back pay equal to men's who did the same job; this was upheld in the Supreme Court, but Ruth B. Ginsberg gave a very sternly worded dissention)    Equal pay for equal work is a MAJOR sore spot with me, as all my working life I have seen people paid unfairly or 'differently' for a variety of reasons.   If they install Palin as VP, perhaps she'll be willing to work for less than Biden would....... >:(
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 05, 2008, 12:53:44 pm
I can't watch CNN much anymore.  And now MSNBC has out loud and proud lesbian Rachel Maddow as a pundit all the time, and they're giving her her own 1-hour TV show beginning on Monday I feel the need to support her over that closet case with white hair.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Florida69 on September 05, 2008, 01:19:33 pm

(PS - I have decided NOT to buy Goodyear tires for my car, since they discriminated against a woman in management and would not give her back pay equal to men's who did the same job; this was upheld in the Supreme Court, but Ruth B. Ginsberg gave a very sternly worded dissention)    Equal pay for equal work is a MAJOR sore spot with me, as all my working life I have seen people paid unfairly or 'differently' for a variety of reasons.   If they install Palin as VP, perhaps she'll be willing to work for less than Biden would....... >:(

That totally cracks me up...   Thanks for the comment..  LOL... D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 05, 2008, 01:39:55 pm
This was a brilliant choice.

she is terrific, charming, funny in a "can easily turn mean" kind of way. She had the women in the crowd cheering. It was like 2004, when the same women mocked Kerry's war records by wearing the band-aids with the purple hearts on them.

She swept up the under-educated, anti-intellectual, anti-individualistic, sheep mentality demographic in a way Mccain never ever could.

Those people DO NOT WANT a smart person in the office. They DO NOT WANT a Nobel laureate. They do not want someone intellectually or culturally superior to them as a leader. IN their reality television, world-wide wrestling, cowneck sweater, frosted hair world, they want what they got in Bush: One of their own.

Never, ever underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. This election will be close. very close. And in the end, it will be the vapid, snooty intellectuals who have thus far been under-affected by the collapse of our government who decide our fate. The idiots who vote for Ron Paul to "send a message" will determine our fate. The Arses who can't pull themselves out of Starbucks long enough to stand in line at a voting poll will decide our fate.

The people who say they love us and support us, but secretly despise our HIv "lifestyle" will determine our fate.

The people who are racist will determine our fate. And there are so many of them, dressed up just like human beings.

Unless we, who actually read, who actually understand the process and it's failures, act. Mobilize. Take our friends who are crippled with neuropathy with us to the polls. Take the ghosts of those who have died serving a country that did not serve them back, take whatever spirit we have and go vote.

This is not the time to be passive. because there are far more of them than there are of us. I know, I am related to several. My own brother voted for Bush twice, and will vote Republican this time with his stupid, nasty wife. Even though it's a vote that will endanger his children's future, physically and financially. Because at the end of the day, he is a mean, selfish person who would rather be head sheep than just another Shepard.

Those of us who absolutely cannot get out to vote should use this powerful tool, the internet, to arrange absentee voting.

And those of us with families who teeter on the edge should remind them that our medical futures, our Ryan White funding, our Medicare, our housing and our expensive medications are at serious risk. Have been for almost eight years. We should remind our families with children that abstinence-only education directly leads to an earlier sexual experience, ignorance of proper condom use, an the rise in HIV among young people which should not be happening.

*edited to add
Those of us with limited incomes are struggling as food prices soar. They do so artificially, and this trend can be reversed. The insanity of using corn for fuel (which is only a limited success) at the expense of feeding cattle and humans is evident each time we see eggs, milk, bread prices skyrocket. Nutrition is the single most important element when it comes to surviving HIV. Without proper nutrition, we weaken, our immune systems collapse, and all the meds in the world cannot take the place of decent food. Add to that the dietary restrictions the meds place on so many of us (low sodium, low cholesterol, high fiber/protein) and the choice becomes clear. We simply cannot afford more of this trend, a trend which will not abate if Mccain is placed in office. Do I have my doubts about Obama? Of course I do. But someone who is willing to try is, in my opinion, better than someone whose record of voting has placed us squarely where we stand today.
* end of edit.

Dark ages or Renaissance? Its our call this time.  We have to save ourselves. And yeah, its that important.

just saying.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 05, 2008, 02:13:47 pm
Yeah, what that guy above me said....


(http://mymccainblog.com/pics/mccainpalin.gif)

"McCAIN-PALIN: A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE"
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 05, 2008, 03:18:12 pm
Living in a red state in the midst of this oh-so-important election can be so frustrating. You feel like your vote doesn't count and you sit on the sideline watching and waiting for just a few states to decide the fate of a nation. Actually that's not true. I volunteered plenty of time (ain't got no money) this summer helping to elect liberal Congressman Steve Cohen as my Congressman. He will be a valuable ally to Obama in Congress. Another thing I did after my blood stopped boiling watching the Republican convention was donate some cash-well not cash really. I dusted off my MasterCard and donated 75 bucks to the cause. Every time I hear about the ten million dollars Obama raised immediately after her speech, I think, hey they're talking about me.

I'm not askin' ;), just sayin, even donating 5 bucks to the cause will make you think they're are talking about you too! I bet if you go to Obama's website they'll tell you how to do it.  ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 05, 2008, 03:24:03 pm
And in Cindy McCain's speech last night. This statement just made me laugh and cringe ( In regards to Sara Palin ):

"John has picked a reform-minded ... hockey-mommin' ... basketball shootin' ... moose huntin' ... fly-fishin' ... pistol-packing ... mother of five for vice president".


HEE- HAW   Oh Please.......   :P


Ray
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: woodshere on September 05, 2008, 04:32:27 pm
This was a brilliant choice.
she is terrific, charming, funny in a "can easily turn mean" kind of way. She had the women in the crowd cheering. It was like 2004, when the same women mocked Kerry's war records by wearing the band-aids with the purple hearts on them.
She swept up the under-educated, anti-intellectual, anti-individualistic, sheep mentality demographic in a way Mccain never ever could.
Those people DO NOT WANT a smart person in the office. They DO NOT WANT a Nobel laureate. They do not want someone intellectually or culturally superior to them as a leader. IN their reality television, world-wide wrestling, cowneck sweater, frosted hair world, they want what they got in Bush: One of their own.
Never, ever underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. This election will be close. very close. And in the end, it will be the vapid, snooty intellectuals who have thus far been under-affected by the collapse of our government who decide our fate. The idiots who vote for Ron Paul to "send a message" will determine our fate. The Arses who can't pull themselves out of Starbucks long enough to stand in line at a voting poll will decide our fate.
The people who say they love us and support us, but secretly despise our HIv "lifestyle" will determine our fate.
The people who are racist will determine our fate. And there are so many of them, dressed up just like human beings.
Unless we, who actually read, who actually understand the process and it's failures, act. Mobilize. Take our friends who are crippled with neuropathy with us to the polls. Take the ghosts of those who have died serving a country that did not serve them back, take whatever spirit we have and go vote.
This is not the time to be passive. because there are far more of them than there are of us. I know, I am related to several. My own brother voted for Bush twice, and will vote Republican this time with his stupid, nasty wife. Even though it's a vote that will endanger his children's future, physically and financially. Because at the end of the day, he is a mean, selfish person who would rather be head sheep than just another Shepard.
Those of us who absolutely cannot get out to vote should use this powerful tool, the internet, to arrange absentee voting.
And those of us with families who teeter on the edge should remind them that our medical futures, our Ryan White funding, our Medicare, our housing and our expensive medications are at serious risk. Have been for almost eight years. We should remind our families with children that abstinence-only education directly leads to an earlier sexual experience, ignorance of proper condom use, an the rise in HIV among young people which should not be happening.
*edited to add
Those of us with limited incomes are struggling as food prices soar. They do so artificially, and this trend can be reversed. The insanity of using corn for fuel (which is only a limited success) at the expense of feeding cattle and humans is evident each time we see eggs, milk, bread prices skyrocket. Nutrition is the single most important element when it comes to surviving HIV. Without proper nutrition, we weaken, our immune systems collapse, and all the meds in the world cannot take the place of decent food. Add to that the dietary restrictions the meds place on so many of us (low sodium, low cholesterol, high fiber/protein) and the choice becomes clear. We simply cannot afford more of this trend, a trend which will not abate if Mccain is placed in office. Do I have my doubts about Obama? Of course I do. But someone who is willing to try is, in my opinion, better than someone whose record of voting has placed us squarely where we stand today.
* end of edit.
Dark ages or Renaissance? Its our call this time.  We have to save ourselves. And yeah, its that important.
just saying.

WOW, well said!!! Thanks Jonathan!

Every time I hear about the ten million dollars Obama raised immediately after her speech, I think, hey they're talking about me.
What a great way to look at donations.  Tonight I am going to  send a little change.  And that is saying something since I didn't even do that for Hillary.....:)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ademas on September 05, 2008, 08:24:18 pm
will the real Sarah Palin please stand up?

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%e2%80%9cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%e2%80%9d/
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Catman on September 05, 2008, 09:28:06 pm
Never, ever underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. This election will be close. very close. And in the end, it will be the vapid, snooty intellectuals who have thus far been under-affected by the collapse of our government who decide our fate.

 This is so true. I see that in every election in PR. Not one of these governors (ever) have done anything for gay rights and not one will do anything to help the struggling middle class hiv pos persons get their meds through the nonfunctional ADAP program. We're _ucked... :( If the republicans win again in USA, it's just going to get worse here on this island...God help us!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dragonette on September 06, 2008, 03:49:48 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080905/pl_rasmussen/palinpower20080905

It won't get much worse only for poz Americans and America in general. That woman, she terrifies me on so many levels, global warming most obviously, but also an even weaker US and a much stronger Russia (that little muscle flex in which more than 2,000 Georgians were killed in a day is no coincidence) and China, therefore a freely nuclear Iran.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: DanielMark on September 06, 2008, 08:20:37 am
I watched an interesting discussion on Bill Moyers Journal last night:

TRANSCRIPT

September 5, 2008

BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the Journal.

It was the Republicans' turn this week and they left the convention in Saint Paul united by what they're against. The culture wars are on again and the press is in the no-man's land. We'll get to that in a moment with our resident guide, Kathleen Hall Jamieson. But first, a brief reality check.

Fifty million American children went back to school this week. But as reporter Sam Dillon writes in the "New York Times", more of them than ever are homeless and poor enough to need free meals. Mortgage foreclosures are throwing hundreds of families out of their homes each month. With fuel and food costs rising, with tax revenues falling, school budgets are in retreat. Detroit, for example, has laid off 700 teachers. We're not talking about just a few isolated places. This is nationwide.

Across the country schools are shortening the school week, cutting bus stops or eliminating bus service altogether, canceling field trips, and hiking the price of cafeteria lunches. You can read Sam Dillon's story on our website at PBS.org. Then look around where you live, and see if there's something you and your neighbors can do to help struggling schools in your district.

Also on our site is a map showing the whereabouts of Vice President Cheney. To the relief of many Republicans, he was a no-show at their convention, but now he's popped up in Central Asia, the vital crossroads for oil and gas from the Caspian Sea. No sooner had he landed in one of the former Soviet republics than he met with two giant oil companies — BP and Chevron.

Meanwhile, back in Washington...

CONDOLEEZZA RICE (video clip):Good afternoon.

BILL MOYERS:The Bush Administration was announcing an increase in American aid to Georgia by more than 1500 percent.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE (video clip):...the Georgian economy...

BILL MOYERS: From 64 million dollars this year to one billion dollars next year. A billion dollars. You can only wonder how many American kids a billion dollars could put back on the buses, back in class, and back in the cafeteria line. If you noticed that these important issues were not discussed very much at either convention, you're not alone.

With me now is Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. She and her colleague, Joseph Capella, have written this new book, "Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment." Welcome back.

KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: Thank you.

BILL MOYERS: This convention this week was to have been John McCain's story and John McCain's show. But Sarah Palin really made it her show and her story. She became the star. How do you think this has changed the campaign?

KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: It's changed the campaign in the obvious ways. It's energized the Republicans' social conservative base. But it's done something else. By naming her and energizing that convention around that pick, he's made it more difficult for him to do what he wanted to do in the acceptance speech that he gave and that is signal to the Independents that he is the maverick who, on climate change, on immigration, on closing Guantanamo, on standing up to President Bush on terror, had differed substantially from this administration. On embryonic stem cell research, differs with many in his own party.

And so when people say, well, why didn't he go through that litany of his real accomplishments not only of reaching across the aisle but of you know, addressing serious problems that face the nation, because he would have been booed potentially by that audience.

And there's the tension inside this nomination. They wanted to simultaneously have Governor Palin speak to part of the audience, Senator McCain speak to another. But he couldn't without potentially alienating the audience that was being drawn to her candidacy.

(con'd (http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09052008/transcript1.html))

And I'll spare everyone my personal observations on the politics of our neighbours to the south.  ;)

Daniel
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 06, 2008, 08:27:36 am
And I'll spare everyone my personal observations on the politics of our neighbours to the south.

There is a God. ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: DanielMark on September 06, 2008, 10:03:52 am
And I'll spare everyone my personal observations on the politics of our neighbours to the south.

There is a God. ;D


Not only that Dachshund but any thread that has 100 replies zones me out completely. :-*

And did I mention my brain is about completely fried from being overly stressed lately?

Daniel
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 06, 2008, 10:15:07 am
More please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: sharkdiver on September 06, 2008, 10:22:46 am
More please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE

amen Auntie amen.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 06, 2008, 10:35:45 am
Theres a lot of reason to not vote republican i.e Palin.
But the main reason is that Mccain would even pick someone like that in the first place.
Its more Mccain than Palin.


·Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

·Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'

·Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.

·Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."

·Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.

·Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

·Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.

·As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

·She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 06, 2008, 11:50:29 am
Great piece (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,7915118.story) by Gloria Steinem on Palin.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 06, 2008, 12:04:54 pm
I have a high school friend who moved to Alaska to work on the pipeline back in the 70's. We've managed to stay in touch over the years. I asked him his opinion of Palin and he responded with one word.

                                               DANGEROUS

ps he's a registered republican
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Peter Staley on September 06, 2008, 12:19:10 pm
More please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE

Wasn't that great?!  Biden found his groove yesterday.

As for Palin, see this must read from the cover of today's NY Times:

In Palin’s Life and Politics, Goal to Follow God’s Will
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/us/politics/06church.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: emeraldize on September 06, 2008, 01:11:42 pm
This is making the e-mail rounds...

2008 Republican National Convention
Schedule of Events

7:00 pm   OPENING FLAG CEREMONY 
7:15 pm   PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO LOBBYISTS
7:20 pm   Ted Haggard  Invocation "Forgive the Homos" 
7:25 pm   MORE RELIGIOUS PRAYER  Pat Robertson - "God Tells Me Everything"   
7:45 pm   CEREMONIAL HOMOSEXUAL BEATING
7:55 pm   CEREMONIAL LESBIAN BEATING
8:00 pm   INTEGRITY IN EVERYDAY POLITICS -  Ted Stevens
8:15 pm   SENSIBLE GUN CONTROL -  Dick Cheney
8:35 pm   "Say 9/11 in Every Sentence" - Rudy Giulianni 
8:40 pm   TAKING CARE OF OUR TROOPS - Donald Rumsfeld
9.00 pm   MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR TERRY SCHIAVO - Bill Frist and Tom DeLay
10:00 pm   CONGRESSIONAL PAGE ETIQUETTE -  Mark Foley
11:00 pm  LEGAL ETHICS - Alberto Gonzalez
11:05 pm  "How to Commit Treason and Get Away With It" - Scooter Libby
11:15 pm   THE ART OF TAPPING  -  Larry Craig
11:30 pm    MY PRESIDENCY - Nancy Reagan
11:45 pm    ACCOUNTABILITY - George W. Bush
11:50 pm   PARTY LOYALTY  - Scott McClellan 
12:15 am   TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD - Rupert Murdoch - Fox News
12:25 am   NO, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? -  Sarah Palin
12:30 am  "Just Send Me The Bill" SATELLITE ADDRESS - Lee Raymond CEO Exxon 
12:45 am   SINGING NOMINATION OF JOHN MCCAIN - John Ashcroft
1:00 am    WAKE JOHN UP - Cindy McCain   
1:05 am   CORONATION OF MCCAIN/PALIN 
1:30 am   ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES - Sarah Palin - John McCain
1:35 am   Sarah Palin asks Dick Cheney to take McCain hunting.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 06, 2008, 03:30:56 pm
Wasn't that great?!  Biden found his groove yesterday.

As for Palin, see this must read from the cover of today's NY Times:

In Palin’s Life and Politics, Goal to Follow God’s Will
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/us/politics/06church.html

It was great !!! Kick some ass Joe !

Have to put that back up :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE

Ray 8)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 07, 2008, 07:46:11 am
My hero Sam Harris said it best in a recent LA Times editorial.

McCain has turned this period of American history into an episode of high-stakes reality television: Don't look now, but our cousin Sarah just became leader of the free world! Tune in next week and watch her get sassy with Pakistan!


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-harris3-2008sep03,0,3801278.story
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: komnaes on September 07, 2008, 11:19:37 am
Palin and Putin.. I think they'd make a great couple.. ;D

Seriously, if you guys (i.e the Americans here) don't stop these two from being "leaders of the free world" I will blame YOU personally for all the world's problems..

BTW, we just had our legislative council election here today..
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 07, 2008, 11:11:21 pm
Karl Rove is very nasty smart, also a snake in the grass.
He runs  and writes the smear tactics for the GOP, as well as Palin's speech last week.

Its really evil how he operates, but very effective.
Like with Palin's speech. She said Obama had some community organizer experience.
And everyone at the GOP laughed.
The way they state it, you'd think Obama is some guy that went from community organizer
to candidate for president.
They leave out he was a congressman and then a US senator.
Community organizer was his beginning in getting involved with politics and people.

You really have to catch how Rove turns and twists things, so someone watching
walks away thinking Obama went from community organizer right to presidential candidate.

And just like in that a lot of people still believe Iraq attacked us on 9/11, a lot of people are going to believe Obama only has some community organizer experience, and then thought he should run for US president.

Its a skillful mind game they play, that someone not very engaged might be fooled into going along with and believe.

Pretty scary how voters can be "played" by the skills of Karl Rove and his like. Then add in Palin, and Mccain, where they repeat it enough so that some a misleading statement written by Rove becomes fact in the mind of the disengaged voter.
Just amazing.
You know… That’s just how we got stuck with Bush… Twice!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 08, 2008, 06:10:10 am
Even though Bristol Palin is a tart it must be comforting to know that, counting her shotgun-husband-to-be, there's at least two heterosexuals left in the Republican Party.

MtD
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Peter Staley on September 08, 2008, 09:51:03 am
I've added Palin to our spellcheck.  Even if she loses in November, I fear she'll remain on the political scene for many years to come.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 08, 2008, 10:06:39 am
I have been kind of down on the Daily Show in the past year....their correspondents have been kind of lackluster and Stewart does too much mugging now on the news stories.....but if you want a quick, but comprehensive sum up of the GOP convention...you can't beat this 8 minutes....classic stuff....


http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2008&base_name=the_only_political_commentary
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on September 08, 2008, 09:41:26 pm
Have you guys seen the Sarah Palin Church Video..

Pray for a Pipeline....
Gods task to go to war....
Pray Gay away.....

Lord help Us...I wonder if I can pray Sarah away?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on September 09, 2008, 07:19:01 am
Check this article out:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1150170,gay090708.article
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 09, 2008, 12:07:22 pm
Another day, another Palin scandal (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews) (Washington Post, front page):

Quote
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.

The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 09, 2008, 03:36:27 pm
OMG -- did you see this line?

"Associates of Murkowski said the former governor was moose hunting and could not be reached to comment."

A vote for McCain is a vote to go from "undisclosed location" to "moose hunting" :)



...must elect Obama...  must elect Obama ... must elect Obama...
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 09, 2008, 08:29:35 pm
From the Editors desk of our local Watermark Magazine :

http://www.watermarkonline.com/


If I were a Bible beater, boy, would I be disappointed right now.

    First, God seemingly ignored all those prayers for a torrential downpour during Barack Obama’s impassioned speech on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s "I Have a Dream" speech.

Whether you’re a Democrat, Republican, third-party advocate or independent voter, one cannot deny that it was truly a historic event to behold. Not only was it the official acceptance speech of the first African-American candidate for president to be nominated by a major party, but Obama also dared to mention his "gay and lesbian brothers and sisters" by name—and there was thunderous applause during that moment at Mile-High Stadium in Denver. I never would have imagined that in my lifetime I’d hear those words coming from the mouth of a heterosexual politician; that was a victory for all of us (even you Obama naysayers out there).

    Instead, the torrential downpour came in the form of Hurricane Gustav, just as the Republican National Convention was about to begin. President Bush had to back out of his opening-night speech (and at press time was considering delivering a speech via satellite) in order to respond appropriately to the hurricane—and to prove that his administration learned a thing or two since its utter mishandling of Hurricane Katrina three years ago. The Bush administration owes the city of New Orleans big-time. Though the Bible beaters were probably praying for Gustav to ruin the Big Easy GLBT party Southern Decadence—revelers did have to evacuate—the hurricane put much more of a damper on the Republican National Convention.

    Of course, Republicans were perhaps praying that Bush wouldn’t get to speak—McCain has been doing everything he possibly can to distance himself from W., who has the lowest approval rating of any commander-in-chief in our nation’s history. Can’t say I blame Sen. McCain. Not for that, anyway.
    I can blame him for making a frankly stupid choice for a running mate. What a brazen attempt to try to get disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters in his corner. It’s insulting that McCain apparently believes Hillary Clinton supporters just like Clinton because she’s female.

    Unfortunately, the great majority of Americans don’t pay nearly as much attention to politics as I (and many of you) do. Shamefully, GLBT Americans can be just as ignorant as the masses.
 
    One McCain supporter on a local GLBT message board simply reprinted the Log Cabin Republicans’ response to McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate:


    "Alaska Governor Sarah Palin can help Sen. McCain win this election by appealing to independent and young voters. She’s a mainstream Republican who will unite the party and serve John McCain well as vice president. Gov. Palin is an inclusive Republican who will help Sen. McCain appeal to gay and lesbian voters."

    Another person chimed in with, "She [Sarah Palin] is a no-nonsense governor for Alaska she has stood up to the once-corrupt Republicans and threw them out of office. She is a centrist. She is what we need. Too bad she is not at the top of the ticket."

    You’ve got to be kidding. How do you define "inclusive" and "centrist"?

    I don’t think an inclusive centrist would be a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association or a member of the evangelical pro-life group Feminists for Life. Would an inclusive centrist boast about her support of a 1998 Alaskan constitutional amendment barring marriage for same-sex couples?

    Sure, as governor of the 47th most populous state in the country, Palin vetoed legislation that would have prevented state employees from receiving domestic partnership benefits, but it wasn’t because Palin was for GLBT rights—it was because the Alaska attorney general told her it would be unconstitutional to defy the Alaska Supreme Court ruling that provided those benefits in the first place.

    I would rather have Sarah Palin’s doppelganger, Peggy Hill of the animated series King of the Hill, be McCain’s running mate. Even Peggy Hill is less of a cartoon than Sarah "Stepford Hockey Mom" Palin.

    If McCain wins, I hope the Bible beaters pray every day for his good health—it scares me to think a hockey mom could be a heart attack away from representing us around the world.



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Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 10, 2008, 08:37:54 am
The Republicans gained control of the narrative the moment they nominated Palin. The tone and tenor of this campaign will no longer be about issues (if it ever was). The Republicans could very well ride this strategy all the way into the White House. They know what they're doing and they know they never have to underestimate the gullibilty of the American voter to do the wrong thing. It's sad, but true.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 10, 2008, 09:47:45 am
And, of course, they used the same kind of mendacious technique's for the roll out of the Iraq War.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Peter Staley on September 10, 2008, 10:02:12 am
The Republicans gained control of the narrative the moment they nominated Palin. The tone and tenor of this campaign will no longer be about issues (if it ever was). The Republicans could very well ride this strategy all the way into the White House. They know what they're doing and they know they never have to underestimate the gullibilty of the American voter to do the wrong thing. It's sad, but true.

Bingo, Hal.  It's all so depressing.  Bush won twice because the typical uninformed voter thought he sounded more like them, and he'd be fun to have a beer with.  Gore, Kerry and Obama have all been painted successfully as elites, and "not like us."  Policies and abilities don't matter anymore.

Very, very sad.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 10, 2008, 10:18:04 am
I urge all of us to read this interesting entry:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/215224.php

Be sure and click on the "rancid, race-baiting ad" link.  If this disgusting ad, and the accompanying McCain campaign email, doesn't clear up the voting issue for HIV infected individuals on this board then nothing will.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Buckmark on September 10, 2008, 12:17:57 pm
I too think Hal has hit the nail on this head.  Issues don't matter.  Rather, American voters seem to be making their choice based on who looks and sounds like them, who they think they can "identify with" or "relate to" or want to be friends with.  That's certainly what I got from my neighbor this past weekend, when he explained to me why he would vote for McCain, and especially Palin.  He thinks she is a good choice for VP because she is a wife and a mom, and therefore can bring some "parental common sense" into government.   ::)  I think this is exactly the response Republicans were hoping for.

As Peter said, policies and abilities don't seem to matter any more.   I, too, find this all sad and depressing.  And it's frightening that we could have someone so inexperienced as Sarah Palin who is just one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Unfortunately, I believe this strategy will propel the Republicans right into the White House again.   After  years of war, a dot-com bust, corporate scandals, a housing bust, record budget deficits, soaring inflation and energy prices, the American public will vote the Republicans into the White House again, because voters feel they could could relate to the candidates over a beer or a cup of coffee.

 >:(

Henry
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 10, 2008, 12:31:13 pm
I'm a pessimist when it comes to politics, but fortunately I was wrong when we took back the house and senate in 06. Always a Democrat, I figured by hook or by crook Americans wouldn't kick the bums out. Thank God I was wrong.

I am beginning to sense a backlash among thinking Americans. The left has been screaming about the lies for a week now with no results. I am beginning to notice that the main stream medium is beginning to challenge the blatant lies coming out of the McCain/Palin campaign. He's a house a cards and he knows it. If the press does it's job it just might crumble. We can only hope.

Please donate 5 bucks to Obama to help fight the lies.

typo
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 10, 2008, 12:36:30 pm
They were right about Edwards.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 10, 2008, 01:16:26 pm
I'm not a big Andrew Sullivan fan, he easily dips into hero worship and then has to end up with a mea culpa. He cheerleaded Bush and the war, but at least he did apologize. However, he does hit the nail on the head with this observation:

For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?

So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.

And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.

He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country's honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was.

And when he had the chance to engage in a real and substantive debate against the most talented politician of the next generation in a fall campaign where vital issues are at stake, what did McCain do? He began his general campaign with a series of grotesque, trivial and absurd MTV-style attacks on Obama's virtues and implied disgusting things about his opponent's patriotism.

And then, because he could see he was going to lose, ten days ago, he threw caution to the wind and with no vetting whatsoever, picked a woman who, by her decision to endure her own eight-month pregnancy of a Down Syndrome child in public, that he was going to reignite the culture war as a last stand against Obama. That's all that is happening right now: a massive bump in the enthusiasm of the Christianist base. This is pure Rove.

Yes, McCain made a decision that revealed many appalling things about him. In the end, his final concern is not national security. No one who cares about national security would pick as vice-president someone who knows nothing about it as his replacement. No one who cares about this country's safety would gamble the security of the world on a total unknown because she polled well with the Christianist base. No person who truly believed that the surge was integral to this country's national security would pick as his veep candidate a woman who, so far as we can tell anything, opposed it at the time.

McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 10, 2008, 03:17:09 pm


Has anyone noticed, that when Palin is speaking, John McCain is fidgeting (SP) nervously with his fingers? He also, has to constantly look down at her script on the podium.

Ray
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: BlueMoon on September 11, 2008, 07:16:56 am
Bingo, Hal.  It's all so depressing.  Bush won twice because the typical uninformed voter thought he sounded more like them, and he'd be fun to have a beer with.  Gore, Kerry and Obama have all been painted successfully as elites, and "not like us."  Policies and abilities don't matter anymore.

Very, very sad.

A beer with Bush (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42590).    ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on September 11, 2008, 07:26:51 am
Is he really looking down at her script or....... She's a puppet and he's just checking on the guy down below pulling on the strings.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: dixieman on September 11, 2008, 11:12:10 am
Well, Well ,Well... I have to admit I like Palin... and I also like McCain... but, that does not mean I will give them my VOTE! and I also want to add I like Obama.. but, I want to HEAR PLANS laidout on BOTH sides... not vague promises... or answers... I want a plan! and...

I will vote as to what is BEST for AMERICA... and sometimes its not a selfish vote as to what is Best for me!

Too many people vote today whats best for them but, not on the whole community and for everyone in this country...

thats just my say so and if you do not like it... you have your on.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 11, 2008, 12:13:27 pm
and I also want to add I like Obama.. but, I want to HEAR PLANS laidout on BOTH sides... not vague promises... or answers... I want a plan! and...


OK....

On the economy?


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

On Education?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/

On energy?

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf


On Foreign Policy?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

On healthcare?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/


Hell, what's left?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/


You want a plan? Pick one.....Just sayin'....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: dixieman on September 11, 2008, 06:04:52 pm
What I read are Vague ideas? promises... but, neither canidate has shown who will pay for this?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Bucko on September 11, 2008, 07:59:10 pm
One thing to keep in mind are the VP debates coming up. No matter how much Palin's been cozying up to Phyllis Schlafly, she'll be entirely out of her depth with Joe Biden, when the self-professed "pitbull with lipstick" will run up against more experience and talent than she's ever run up against in her life.

Don't lose heatr. The man who derailed Hillary's coronation has more than one trump face card in his hand.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: CaptCarl on September 12, 2008, 07:57:10 pm
The more I find out about this woman, the clearer my understanding of Vagidentrophobia becomes.....


CaptCarl
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 12, 2008, 09:00:41 pm
when the self-professed "pitbull with lipstick" will run up against more experience and talent than she's ever run up against in her life.

But ... isn't this a daily event for her already?   :)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 12, 2008, 09:09:40 pm
She doesn't appear to be doing too well withTroopergate:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080913/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate;_ylt=AsyQvUwLeJ_oLSDXvPP4EZxh24cA

Alaska lawmakers vote to subpoena Todd Palin

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The abuse of power investigation against Sarah Palin, Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, took a potentially ominous turn for her party on Friday when state lawmakers voted to subpoena her husband.

Republican efforts to delay the probe until after the Nov. 4 election were thwarted when GOP State Sen. Charlie Huggins, who represents Palin's hometown of Wasilla, sided with Democrats. "Let's just get the facts on the table," said Huggins, who appeared in camouflage pants to vote during a break from moose hunting.


Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 12, 2008, 09:16:58 pm
I was frustrated by the election anyway but Palin has put me over the edge. America is a democratic republic-- citizens don't make the decisions we chose the people to make decisions for us. Therefore you want the smartest, wisest, most experienced people to lead the country. If you wrote down the candidate's qualifications and accomplishments on slips of paper and didn't include age, race, religion or gender I don't think the candidates we have would be the ones running. People I talk to act like they are voting on the next American Idol not someone to lead the country. The whole story about Palin and her children and being a "hockey mom"... I couldn't give a rat's ass. I don't care about "relating" to a candidate, I care about performance and issues.

I wish people would think about this election like they were interviewing someone to run a large corporation. How are you going to get this company out of the red? What are you going to do about employee dissatisfaction with healthcare benefits? What other companies have you ran and turned around? How will you deal with our competitors? For me choosing Palin to be vice-president is like the CEO of General Motors saying he's going to choose the manager of a dealership in Anchorage, who has worked for the company for two years, to be his successor because she's a go-getter, people like her and, after all, isn't running a dealership kind of like running a multinational corporation?

I can understand someone saying they want a conservative, pro-life, anti-gun control, pro-oil drilling and hawkish vice-president. But Palin is the smartest, most experienced, most qualified person in the entire country for that job? Of course not. The reason she has been chosen is because 1) she's conservative, 2) she's female and 3) she has charisma. She has been chosen to compliment McCain and get him into office. If she remains vice-president this won't be a huge problem but if she becomes president I fear she will be completely out of her depth. For one of his first presidential decisions I think McCain went for what was in the best interest of his campaign but not in the best interests of America.



Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on September 12, 2008, 09:48:44 pm
"Sarah Palin has been getting briefed on what she needs to know to be John McCain’s vice president. The first thing they taught her was CPR."
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 12, 2008, 10:01:49 pm
We need to return voting rights to something more restrictive, like what the founding fathers were seeking with keeping it to land-owning citizens -- but instead of that I propose giving voters aptitude tests every 5 years or so, with an emphasis on current events.

I agree with Ford that national elections have been utterly American Idol-ized.  I was thinking that very same thing a few days ago.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Bucko on September 12, 2008, 10:57:52 pm
I was frustrated by the election anyway but Palin has put me over the edge. America is a democratic republic-- citizens don't make the decisions we chose the people to make decisions for us. Therefore you want the smartest, wisest, most experienced people to lead the country.


I don't expect anyone here understands much better than I, but I truly wish someone would explain to me why "elite" and "intellectual" have been used as pejoratives in this campaign. If those attributes are now carrying negative connotations, does that mean that underachieving dumbfucks have attained some glamour I'd never previously noticed?

 
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 12, 2008, 11:13:09 pm
If those attributes are now carrying negative connotations, does that mean that underachieving dumbfucks have attained some glamour I'd never previously noticed?

 

Let's see.  McCain graduated 6th from the bottom at the Naval Academy (which he only got into because of Daddy's connections in the first place) and Palin had to cycle through 4 universities before getting her degree at the Univ. of Idaho so that she could become a sports newscaster.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 12, 2008, 11:45:57 pm
I don't expect anyone here understands much better than I, but I truly wish someone would explain to me why "elite" and "intellectual" have been used as pejoratives in this campaign. If those attributes are now carrying negative connotations, does that mean that underachieving dumbfucks have attained some glamour I'd never previously noticed?


George Will recently wrote that elections don't decide whether elites rule but which elites rule. He also relayed this story:

Robert Alphonso Taft (1889–1953), the son of President William Howard Taft, became known as "Mr. Republican" during his 14 years as a U.S. senator from Ohio. He was a conservative representing a state whose electorate included many farmers and blue-collar industrial workers, and opponents charged that he was out of touch with such ordinary people. In 1947 a reporter asked Mrs. Taft, "Do you think of your husband as a common man?" Aghast, she replied:

"Oh, no, no! The senator is very uncommon. He was first in his class at Yale and first in his class at the Harvard Law School. We wouldn't permit Ohio to be represented in the Senate by just a common man."

In 1950, Taft was re-elected in a landslide.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 13, 2008, 12:43:35 am
What I read are Vague ideas? promises... but, neither canidate has shown who will pay for this?

?????

We will pay...that's the way it works..you want universal health care....you want first rate schools/highways/military....we pay for it...It's called setting priorities...unless you know some secret new funding source




But hey, I'm sure Bobb Barr or Cynthia McKinney got it all figured out and given to you, cost free.....

Jebus....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 13, 2008, 02:06:02 am
I wonder how much McCain's upcoming war with Iran would cost us.  I'd imagine occupying a country 3 times the size of Iraq with 2.5 times the population, and with a topography as mountainous as Afghanistan, might be rather large.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 13, 2008, 05:26:00 am
Last weeks Bill Maher said the only time Sarah got a call at 3am was when
a moose was loose in the trash cans.   ;D

But I watched that interview with Charlie on ABC, and I felt like I was
living in a bad twilight zone TV episode.
Not only did Charlie have to explain his questions, he had to then
explain to her how to answer.
I thought I knew the meaning of CLUELESS, I now have new insight to
the meaning of clueless.
I really would be terrified if those two were elected. Shocked and horrified.
Not that they were elected, but what could be in store for the good ole USA.
I'm convinced the GOP put something in the water at their convention.
I never realized republicans were that unstable. Geeezzzzeeeezzzz
It look like they reduced life on earth to YouTube’s and video game mentality.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 13, 2008, 08:02:07 am
I don't expect anyone here understands much better than I, but I truly wish someone would explain to me why "elite" and "intellectual" have been used as pejoratives in this campaign. If those attributes are now carrying negative connotations, does that mean that underachieving dumbfucks have attained some glamour I'd never previously noticed?

 

It's all part of the general and complete dumbing down of our life and culture.  Look at the crappy movies that are the most popular, the highest-rated TV shows, the disgusting and ludicrous so-called music, etc., etc.  Our politics has been dumbed down as well, because so many of the voters are dumb.  Kids mock anyone of their peers with any signs of intellect.  What books are the most popular?  Comic books have become the source of common "wisdom." Anyone "intellectual" has become an effete nerd.  Any male interested in the arts is a fag.   Dumb fucks identify with other dumb fucks, and they vote for them.  All kids today are told by their parents that they are brilliant and can do and be anything.  Everyone thinks they can be on "American Idol," and look who wins that contest.   Paris Hilton is the new "elite."  We are surrounded by complete mediocrity.  That has become the new elite.  Why should our politics be any different?     
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: manchesteruk on September 13, 2008, 10:42:03 am
It's all part of the general and complete dumbing down of our life and culture.  Look at the crappy movies that are the most popular, the highest-rated TV shows, the disgusting and ludicrous so-called music, etc., etc.  Our politics has been dumbed down as well, because so many of the voters are dumb.  Kids mock anyone of their peers with any signs of intellect.  What books are the most popular?  Comic books have become the source of common "wisdom." Anyone "intellectual" has become an effete nerd.  Any male interested in the arts is a fag.   Dumb fucks identify with other dumb fucks, and they vote for them.  All kids today are told by their parents that they are brilliant and can do and be anything.  Everyone thinks they can be on "American Idol," and look who wins that contest.   Paris Hilton is the new "elite."  We are surrounded by complete mediocrity.  That has become the new elite.  Why should our politics be any different?     

That's absolutely spot on.  The exact same thing is happening in the UK at the moment as well.  At least you'll have a leader of your country who was actually elected by the public anyway!  The front page of one of the main tabloid newspapers the other day was the earth shattering news that Victoria Beckham has had a new haircut.  People are more interested in who is going to win Big Brother than the future of their country and that's really sad in my view.

As an outsider I've been following this campaign with a lot of interest mainly because I think it's something that will effect the rest of the world in a big way especially if the Republicans regain power.  From what I've been reading I honestly can't understand why anyone would vote for the Republican party.  I'm just hoping Sarah Palin will be shown up for exactly who she is in the coming weeks because she is extremely dangerous.   Barack Obama has some really great policies especially on healthcare and he would make a great president.  I'll be keeping my fingers crossed come November 4th that's for sure.  I've already booked the 5th of November off work so I can stay up and watch the election coverage!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 13, 2008, 11:49:29 am
From a new Associated Press poll:

Sarah Palin ranked higher, at 42 percent, than either McCain or Obama when white women were asked which candidate shares their values and principles “a lot.”
  ???


Looks like our Democratic PUMA's just haven't "healed" yet.....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 13, 2008, 01:13:54 pm
From a new Associated Press poll:

Sarah Palin ranked higher, at 42 percent, than either McCain or Obama when white women were asked which candidate shares their values and principles “a lot.”
  ???


Looks like our Democratic PUMA's just haven't "healed" yet.....

It also shows that probably half of Hillary's supporters were only token Democrats, many of which were newly registered (or switched party registration).  If they are this flexible, then it really deflates the argument that Democrats have a built in advantage with all of these huge numbers in new party registration, which is disconcerting.

It's not like Sarah Palin has the values of someone like Olympia Snowe -- I could understand these numbers somewhat if that was the case, but it's not.  Sarah Palin is John Ashcroft with a vagina.

By the way atlq, do you have a link for that?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 13, 2008, 01:21:15 pm
 :-[ Sorry Philly...my bad:


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1118790&srvc=home&position=rated
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 13, 2008, 02:01:12 pm
Seems the press has uncovered yet another huge Sarah Palin lie (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/).  This all reminds of the Bush administration where they'd overload the press with so many lies, that by the time they were corrected there were already 3 more lies in the press so nothing ever gained a bit of traction until it was all too late.  Totally what the lead up to the Iraq War was like.  It's most distressing.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ANGEL42 on September 13, 2008, 02:36:26 pm
Don`t worry fellow Dems...The Tides are turning...Obama only trailing by two points now, which is a statistical dead heat. And more important is the fact that he leads in projected Electoral votes with only 50 more to become President.

Positive Attitude for Our New Leader Obama...Hes getting tough and he will do what he has to.The Lies are being uncovered one by one. Palins Charlie Gibson Interview was Joke. McSame on the View was a pure joy to watch him fumble.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: BlueMoon on September 13, 2008, 02:53:49 pm
Seems the press has uncovered yet another huge Sarah Palin lie (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/). 

Ah well, at least she didn't claim to be under sniper fire.   
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 13, 2008, 05:21:11 pm
Seems the press has uncovered yet another huge Sarah Palin lie (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/).  This all reminds of the Bush administration where they'd overload the press with so many lies, that by the time they were corrected there were already 3 more lies in the press so nothing ever gained a bit of traction until it was all too late.  Totally what the lead up to the Iraq War was like.  It's most distressing.
I'm more concerned that this trip to Kuwait (and mythically to Iraq) is being used to tout her foreign policy expertise and yet she appears to have spent her time overseas speaking almost exclusively to Alaskans.  How does that add to her foreign policy expertise in the slightest?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Bucko on September 13, 2008, 06:17:38 pm
From a new Associated Press poll:

Sarah Palin ranked higher, at 42 percent, than either McCain or Obama when white women were asked which candidate shares their values and principles “a lot.”
  ???


Looks like our Democratic PUMA's just haven't "healed" yet.....

I have a friend who, with no misogyny, has coined the term "Vagino-Americans" to explain this disconnect with common sense.

And, FWIW, the Boston Herald is a Murdoch-owned tabloid that's meant to be a splinter in the eye of the overwhelmingly progressive population there. I really wouldn't believe 3/4 of what they print.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 13, 2008, 06:24:32 pm
I'm more concerned that this trip to Kuwait (and mythically to Iraq) is being used to tout her foreign policy expertise and yet she appears to have spent her time overseas speaking almost exclusively to Alaskans.  How does that add to her foreign policy expertise in the slightest?

Oh, I agree -- but as a larger narrative it's important to establish her as untrustworthy.  Voters (meaning the ones that don't pay as much attention as the rest of us) respond better to more generalized things like that.  If you can have enough stories to feed into the larger narrative, they'll carry that into the voting box.

This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html) in today's New York Times is yet another example of how she's basically a liar -- she claims to be a "reformer" and "fellow maverick" while when you dig into her (recent even) past she's done stuff like hire a handful of high school buddies as governor -- at salaries above their pay grade and with little experience.  She rails about "The Good Ole Boys Club" on the stump when in fact she's nothing but one of those same good ole boys but with a skirt and heels.  But hey, who cares right?  I mean the fundies will cheer on anyone as long as you scream "Praise!"

I'm also sensing things developing about her husband -- not just his role in Troopergate, but how we're starting to see his "private citizen" fingers everywhere in government business.  Which also feeds into the inability of Sarah Palin to separate private from public -- and as we saw earlier this week her charging a per diem expense for spending nights at home is at best disturbing.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 13, 2008, 07:52:32 pm
 From p. 1 of today's New York Times.  Unfuckingbelievable. 
 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

September 14, 2008
In Office, Palin Hired Friends and Hit Critics
By JO BECKER, PETER S. GOODMAN AND MICHAEL POWELL
This article is by Jo Becker, Peter S. Goodman and Michael Powell.


WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.

So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as one of her qualifications for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.

When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.

And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.

“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”

Ms. Palin walks the national stage as a small-town foe of “good old boy” politics and a champion of ethics reform. The charismatic 44-year-old governor draws enthusiastic audiences and high approval ratings. And as the Republican vice-presidential nominee, she points to her management experience while deriding her Democratic rivals, Senators Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden Jr., as speechmakers who never have run anything.

But an examination of her swift rise and record as mayor of Wasilla and then governor finds that her visceral style and penchant for attacking critics — she sometimes calls local opponents “haters” — contrasts with her carefully crafted public image.

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.

Still, Ms. Palin has many supporters. As a two-term mayor she paved roads and built an ice rink, and as governor she has pushed through higher taxes on the oil companies that dominate one-third of the state’s economy. She stirs deep emotions. In Wasilla, many residents display unflagging affection, cheering “our Sarah” and hissing at her critics.

“She is bright and has unfailing political instincts,” said Steve Haycox, a history professor at the University of Alaska. “She taps very directly into anxieties about the economic future.”

“But,” he added, “her governing style raises a lot of hard questions.”

Ms. Palin declined to grant an interview for this article. The McCain-Palin campaign responded to some questions on her behalf and that of her husband, while referring others to the governor’s spokespeople, who did not respond.

Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell said Ms. Palin had conducted an accessible and effective administration in the public’s interest. “Everything she does is for the ordinary working people of Alaska,” Mr. Parnell said.

In Wasilla, a builder said he complained to Mayor Palin when the city attorney put a stop-work order on his housing project. She responded, he said, by engineering the attorney’s firing.

Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that it would cost $468,784 to process his request.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

“Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said.

State legislators are investigating accusations that Ms. Palin and her husband pressured officials to fire a state trooper who had gone through a messy divorce with her sister, charges that she denies. But interviews make clear that the Palins draw few distinctions between the personal and the political.

Last summer State Representative John Harris, the Republican speaker of the House, picked up his phone and heard Mr. Palin’s voice. The governor’s husband sounded edgy. He said he was unhappy that Mr. Harris had hired John Bitney as his chief of staff, the speaker recalled. Mr. Bitney was a high school classmate of the Palins and had worked for Ms. Palin. But she fired Mr. Bitney after learning that he had fallen in love with another longtime friend.

“I understood from the call that Todd wasn’t happy with me hiring John and he’d like to see him not there,” Mr. Harris said.

“The Palin family gets upset at personal issues,” he added. “And at our level, they want to strike back.”

Hometown Mayor

Laura Chase, the campaign manager during Ms. Palin’s first run for mayor in 1996, recalled the night the two women chatted about her ambitions.

“I said, ‘You know, Sarah, within 10 years you could be governor,’ ” Ms. Chase recalled. “She replied, ‘I want to be president.’ ”

Ms. Palin grew up in Wasilla, an old fur trader’s outpost and now a fast-growing exurb of Anchorage. The town sits in the Matanuska-Susitna Valley, edged by jagged mountains and birch forests. In the 1930s, the Roosevelt administration took farmers from the Dust Bowl area and resettled them here; their Democratic allegiances defined the valley for half a century.

In the past three decades, socially conservative Oklahomans and Texans have flocked north to the oil fields of Alaska. They filled evangelical churches around Wasilla and revived the Republican Party. Many of these working-class residents formed the electoral backbone for Ms. Palin, who ran for mayor on a platform of gun rights, opposition to abortion and the ouster of the “complacent” old guard.

After winning the mayoral election in 1996, Ms. Palin presided over a city rapidly outgrowing itself. Septic tanks had begun to pollute lakes, and residential lots were carved willy-nilly out of the woods. She passed road and sewer bonds, cut property taxes but raised the sales tax.

And, her supporters say, she cleaned out the municipal closet, firing veteran officials to make way for her own team. “She had an agenda for change and for doing things differently,” said Judy Patrick, a City Council member at the time.

But careers were turned upside down. The mayor quickly fired the town’s museum director, John Cooper. Later, she sent an aide to the museum to talk to the three remaining employees. “He told us they only wanted two,” recalled Esther West, one of the three, “and we had to pick who was going to be laid off.” The three quit as one.

Ms. Palin cited budget difficulties for the museum cuts. Mr. Cooper thought differently, saying the museum had become a microcosm of class and cultural conflicts in town. “It represented that the town was becoming more progressive, and they didn’t want that,” he said.

Days later, Mr. Cooper recalled, a vocal conservative, Steve Stoll, sidled up to him. Mr. Stoll had supported Ms. Palin and had a long-running feud with Mr. Cooper. “He said: ‘Gotcha, Cooper,’ ” Mr. Cooper said.

Mr. Stoll did not recall that conversation, although he said he supported Ms. Palin’s campaign and was pleased when she fired Mr. Cooper.

In 1997, Ms. Palin fired the longtime city attorney, Richard Deuser, after he issued the stop-work order on a home being built by Don Showers, another of her campaign supporters.

Your attorney, Mr. Showers told Ms. Palin, is costing me lots of money.

“She told me she’d like to see him fired,” Mr. Showers recalled. “But she couldn’t do it herself because the City Council hires the city attorney.” Ms. Palin told him to write the council members to complain.

Meanwhile, Ms. Palin pushed the issue from the inside. “She started the ball rolling,” said Ms. Patrick, who also favored the firing. Mr. Deuser was soon replaced by Ken Jacobus — then the State Republican Party’s general counsel.

“Professionals were either forced out or fired,” Mr. Deuser said.

Ms. Palin ordered city employees not to talk to the press. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use — employees sarcastically called it the mayor-mobile.

The new mayor also tended carefully to her evangelical base. She appointed a pastor to the town planning board. And she began to eye the library. For years, social conservatives had pressed the library director to remove books they considered immoral.

“People would bring books back censored,” recalled former Mayor John Stein, Ms. Palin’s predecessor. “Pages would get marked up or torn out.”

Witnesses and contemporary news accounts say Ms. Palin asked the librarian about removing books from the shelves. The McCain-Palin presidential campaign says Ms. Palin never advocated censorship.

But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”

“I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”

Reform Crucible

Restless ambition defined Ms. Palin in the early years of this decade. She raised money for Senator Ted Stevens, a Republican from the state; finished second in the 2002 Republican primary for lieutenant governor; and sought to fill the seat of Senator Frank H. Murkowski when he ran for governor.

Mr. Murkowski appointed his daughter to the seat, but as a consolation prize, he gave Ms. Palin the $125,000-a-year chairmanship of a state commission overseeing oil and gas drilling.

Ms. Palin discovered that the state Republican leader, Randy Ruedrich, a commission member, was conducting party business on state time and favoring regulated companies. When Mr. Murkowski failed to act on her complaints, she quit and went public.

The Republican establishment shunned her. But her break with the gentlemen’s club of oil producers and political power catapulted her into the public eye.

“She was honest and forthright,” said Jay Kerttula, a former Democratic state senator from Palmer.

Ms. Palin entered the 2006 primary for governor as a formidable candidate.

In the middle of the primary, a conservative columnist in the state, Paul Jenkins, unearthed e-mail messages showing that Ms. Palin had conducted campaign business from the mayor’s office. Ms. Palin handled the crisis with a street fighter’s guile.

“I told her it looks like she did the same thing that Randy Ruedrich did,” Mr. Jenkins recalled. “And she said, ‘Yeah, what I did was wrong.’ ”

Mr. Jenkins hung up and decided to forgo writing about it. His phone rang soon after.

Mr. Jenkins said a reporter from Fairbanks, reading from a Palin news release, demanded to know why he was “smearing” her. “Now I look at her and think: ‘Man, you’re slick,’ ” he said.

Ms. Palin won the primary, and in the general election she faced Tony Knowles, the former two-term Democratic governor, and Andrew Halcro, an independent.

Not deeply versed in policy, Ms. Palin skipped some candidate forums; at others, she flipped through hand-written, color-coded index cards strategically placed behind her nameplate.

Before one forum, Mr. Halcro said he saw aides shovel reports at Ms. Palin as she crammed. Her showman’s instincts rarely failed. She put the pile of reports on the lectern. Asked what she would do about health care policy, she patted the stack and said she would find an answer in the pile of solutions.

“She was fresh, and she was tomorrow,” said Michael Carey, a former editorial page editor for The Anchorage Daily News. “She just floated along like Mary Poppins.”

Government

Half a century after Alaska became a state, Ms. Palin was inaugurated as governor in Fairbanks and took up the reformer’s sword.

As she assembled her cabinet and made other state appointments, those with insider credentials were now on the outs. But a new pattern became clear. She surrounded herself with people she has known since grade school and members of her church.

Mr. Parnell, the lieutenant governor, praised Ms. Palin’s appointments. “The people she hires are competent, qualified, top-notch people,” he said.

Ms. Palin chose Talis Colberg, a borough assemblyman from the Matanuska valley, as her attorney general, provoking a bewildered question from the legal community: “Who?” Mr. Colberg, who did not return calls, moved from a one-room building in the valley to one of the most powerful offices in the state, supervising some 500 people.

“I called him and asked, ‘Do you know how to supervise people?’ ” said a family friend, Kathy Wells. “He said, ‘No, but I think I’ll get some help.’ ”

The Wasilla High School yearbook archive now doubles as a veritable directory of state government. Ms. Palin appointed Mr. Bitney, her former junior high school band-mate, as her legislative director and chose another classmate, Joe Austerman, to manage the economic development office for $82,908 a year. Mr. Austerman had established an Alaska franchise for Mailboxes Etc.

To her supporters — and with an 80 percent approval rating, she has plenty — Ms. Palin has lifted Alaska out of a mire of corruption. She gained the passage of a bill that tightens the rules covering lobbyists. And she rewrote the tax code to capture a greater share of oil and gas sale proceeds.

“Does anybody doubt that she’s a tough negotiator?” said State Representative Carl Gatto, Republican of Palmer.

Yet recent controversy has marred Ms. Palin’s reform credentials. In addition to the trooper investigation, lawmakers in April accused her of improperly culling thousands of e-mail addresses from a state database for a mass mailing to rally support for a policy initiative.

While Ms. Palin took office promising a more open government, her administration has battled to keep information secret. Her inner circle discussed the benefit of using private e-mail addresses. An assistant told her it appeared that such e-mail messages sent to a private address on a “personal device” like a Blackberry “would be confidential and not subject to subpoena.”

The governor’s office did not respond to questions on the topic.

Ms. Palin and aides use their private e-mail addresses for state business. On Feb. 7, Frank Bailey, a high-level aide, wrote to Ms. Palin’s state e-mail address to discuss appointments. Another aide fired back: “Frank, this is not the governor’s personal account.”

Mr. Bailey responded: “Whoops~!”

Mr. Bailey, a former mid-level manager at Alaska Airlines who worked on Ms. Palin’s campaign, has been placed on paid leave; he has emerged as a central figure in the trooper investigation.

Another confidante of Ms. Palin’s is Ms. Frye, 27. She worked as a receptionist for State Senator Lyda Green before she joined Ms. Palin’s campaign for governor. Now Ms. Frye earns $68,664 as a special assistant to the governor. Her frequent interactions with Ms. Palin’s children have prompted some lawmakers to refer to her as “the babysitter,” a title that Ms. Frye disavows.

Like Mr. Bailey, she is an effusive cheerleader for her boss.

“YOU ARE SO AWESOME!” Ms. Frye typed in an e-mail message to Ms. Palin in March.

Many lawmakers contend that Ms. Palin is overly reliant on a small inner circle that leaves her isolated. Democrats and Republicans alike describe her as often missing in action. Since taking office in 2007, Ms. Palin has spent 312 nights at her Wasilla home, some 600 miles to the north of the governor’s mansion in Juneau, records show.

During the last legislative session, some lawmakers became so frustrated with her absences that they took to wearing “Where’s Sarah?” pins.

Many politicians say they typically learn of her initiatives — and vetoes — from news releases.

Mayors across the state, from the larger cities to tiny municipalities along the southeastern fiords, are even more frustrated. Often, their letters go unanswered and their pleas ignored, records and interviews show.

Last summer, Mayor Mark Begich of Anchorage, a Democrat, pressed Ms. Palin to meet with him because the state had failed to deliver money needed to operate city traffic lights. At one point, records show, state officials told him to just turn off a dozen of them. Ms. Palin agreed to meet with Mr. Begich when he threatened to go public with his anger, according to city officials.

At an Alaska Municipal League gathering in Juneau in January, mayors across the political spectrum swapped stories of the governor’s remoteness. How many of you, someone asked, have tried to meet with her? Every hand went up, recalled Mayor Fred Shields of Haines Borough. And how many met with her? Just a few hands rose. Ms. Palin soon walked in, delivered a few remarks and left for an anti-abortion rally.

The administration’s e-mail correspondence reveals a siege-like atmosphere. Top aides keep score, demean enemies and gloat over successes. Even some who helped engineer her rise have felt her wrath.

Dan Fagan, a prominent conservative radio host and longtime friend of Ms. Palin, urged his listeners to vote for her in 2006. But when he took her to task for raising taxes on oil companies, he said, he found himself branded a “hater.”

It is part of a pattern, Mr. Fagan said, in which Ms. Palin characterizes critics as “bad people who are anti-Alaska.”

As Ms. Palin’s star ascends, the McCain campaign, as often happens in national races, is controlling the words of those who know her well. Her mother-in-law, Faye Palin, has been asked not to speak to reporters, and aides sit in on interviews with old friends.

At a recent lunch gathering, an official with the Wasilla Chamber of Commerce asked its members to refer all calls from reporters to the governor’s office. Diane Woodruff, a city councilwoman, shook her head.

“I was thinking, I don’t remember giving up my First Amendment rights,” Ms. Woodruff said. “Just because you’re not going gaga over Sarah doesn’t mean you can’t speak your mind.”




 
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 13, 2008, 10:52:19 pm

And, FWIW, the Boston Herald is a Murdoch-owned tabloid that's meant to be a splinter in the eye of the overwhelmingly progressive population there. I really wouldn't believe 3/4 of what they print.

Bucko,

The point about Murdoch is well taken, but the poll was by the Associated Press. Believe me, I would never use any source generated by Fox News or its print siblings!... ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: ademas on September 14, 2008, 01:21:47 am
Tina Fey nails it  ;D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/13/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-o_n_126249.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 14, 2008, 01:55:52 am
That was great! :D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 14, 2008, 12:47:36 pm
Karl Rove: McCain's Ads Have Gone Too Far (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/14/karl-rove-mccains-ads-hav_n_126280.html)

o teh irony
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 14, 2008, 04:44:51 pm
Neoconservatives plan Project Sarah Palin (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Pain-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html)... disturbing.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: emeraldize on September 14, 2008, 05:28:31 pm
Between the NYT article and the Neoconservatives piece...very disturbing. Has she said the word HIV or AIDS yet anywhere ?

edited to add: Went hunting for any evidence of her addressing HIV/AIDS and found this excerpt from a GMHC article and no direct quotes or position statements anywhere...yet.

"Senator Biden has shown leadership by supporting civil rights for people living with HIV and evidence-based prevention to fight the epidemic globally," said Robert Bank, Chief Operating Officer of GMHC. "We know little about Governor Palin's positions on HIV/AIDS, except that she supports abstinence-only programming, which is full of anti-gay and sexist content, as well as dangerous misinformation about contraception and AIDS."

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Florida69 on September 15, 2008, 02:26:48 pm
Just thought I would share this...

http://blogs.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 15, 2008, 03:17:29 pm
Ha ha... check out these pictures of McCain's rally this morning -- nobody showed up:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/mccains-crowd-numbers-plu_n_126490.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 15, 2008, 09:01:38 pm
What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?

Is this a damaging as a $400 haircut? (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/09/sarah-palins-pi.html)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 16, 2008, 12:30:34 am
She doesn't believe in global warming so why should she believe that ultraviolet radiation causes skin cancer?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: HopeandCope on September 16, 2008, 06:44:23 am
Sorry my links are not working on this site you can get them at my other blog  http://judesbloglog.blogspot.com/2008/09/maybelline-or-loreal-choices-are.html (http://judesbloglog.blogspot.com/2008/09/maybelline-or-loreal-choices-are.html)


I have heard that the "Lower 48" does not understand Alaska and its culture at all. Well, with all due respect I think that some of the issues below do deserve at the very least a few raised eyebrows.

For those of the other Lower 48 frenzied, starry eyed "we got ourselves a really hottie" supporters that feel we don't know about Sarah Palin because we don't live there and we are just being "mean", take a gander at Anchorage Daily New's comments to the editor regarding our "heartbeat away" VP candidate.

Now get out of the liptick jungle and on to some thoughts:

She offered a bounty of $150 for each right front leg of freshly killed wolves

She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

She strongly supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

She promotes aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban the practice

She supports the Alaskan Independence Party which seeks independence from the United States

She is a champion for big oil and her campaign slogan has become "Drill, baby, drill!"

She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

She believes man-made global warming is a farce

She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species because it might limit oil exploitation

While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books

She used $400,000 of state money to fund a propaganda campaign in support of aerial hunting

As mayor of Wasilla, she made rape victims pay for their own forensic evidence kits

She obtained her first passport just last year (2007)

She touts her "experience" as Mayor of a city no larger than some of the minor Chicago suburbs as qualifying for VP even though Wasilla is known as the Meth Capital of Alaska . Seems her own backyard needs a bit of cleaning up!





Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Florida69 on September 16, 2008, 04:44:16 pm
OMG...

I can not believe this, but then again I can.  So silly.....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/palin-allies-sue-to-halt-trooper-probe/
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: libvet on September 16, 2008, 06:54:05 pm
OMG...

I can not believe this, but then again I can.  So silly.....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/palin-allies-sue-to-halt-trooper-probe/

That's the "transparency" she promised the people of Alaska.  Apparently, she meant her transparent attempts at derailing an investigation she agreed to.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: CaptCarl on September 16, 2008, 08:34:40 pm
   Considering how many right-wing fundie christian men have been busted for gay sex over the last year or so, maybe one of us could get caught fucking Todd. He is kinda hot actually. I'd volunteer, but Norm would never allow it.....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Bucko on September 16, 2008, 09:13:56 pm
   Considering how many right-wing fundie christian men have been busted for gay sex over the last year or so, maybe one of us could get caught fucking Todd. He is kinda hot actually. I'd volunteer, but Norm would never allow it.....

<Bucko raises hand to volunteer for the challenge, tub of Elbow Grease in one hand, remote control for required porn viewing in the other>

 :D

Has anyone seen Hockey Moms Against Sarah Palin?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URIypadX3n0&eurl=http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/15/hockey_moms/index.html

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 16, 2008, 09:40:53 pm
<Bucko raises hand to volunteer for the challenge, tub of Elbow Grease in one hand, remote control for required porn viewing in the other>

"Lie back and think of England"
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 17, 2008, 05:55:56 am
Some amusement in the midst of our dismay:

A song, "The Ballad of Sarah Palin," has been written.  Too funny.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/83e3b0b258
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 17, 2008, 04:28:47 pm
Not just your average Hockey Mom:  Sarah seems to have her own army of Rachel Zoe (http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2008/09/sarah_palin_has_a_secret_team.html)s.  And if you're not watching The Rachel Zoe Project on Bravo you're REALLY missing out!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 17, 2008, 04:37:55 pm
This year it looks like Virginia, Virginia, Virginia.......

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/battleground.poll/index.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Alain on September 17, 2008, 06:12:10 pm
"Lie back and think of England"

I thought it was "spread your legs and think of England! ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: CaptCarl on September 17, 2008, 07:02:35 pm
   Another point: Lately, it seems that our lovely (Thanx to God and a series of painful operations) Ms. Palin has been saying that Obama is nothing more than a "community organizer" Methinks it would be well of her to avoid using this description. If the stupid bitch has ever bothered to read the New Testament, she would notice a fundamental truth on display: Jesus was also a "community organizer" Pontius Pilate was a Governor. There is a lesson to be learned here. Too bad it is lost on so may morons that think she's so great...

CaptCarl
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: J.R.E. on September 17, 2008, 08:12:50 pm
   Another point: Lately, it seems that our lovely (Thanx to God and a series of painful operations) Ms. Palin has been saying that Obama is nothing more than a "community organizer" Methinks it would be well of her to avoid using this description. CaptCarl


Jesus Christ was a community organizer, and he was sentenced to death by a governor. I don't know where I read that at this past week !!  ::)

Ray
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 18, 2008, 02:17:18 am
"God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats."

-- Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News in 2006.



Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 18, 2008, 08:53:33 am
"God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats."

-- Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News in 2006.


Please tell me that is a joke and she didn't actually say that. I'm serious.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: David_CA on September 18, 2008, 10:25:16 am
Please tell me that is a joke and she didn't actually say that. I'm serious.

I read the same thing.  Here's my take on her, but I notice she's let her hair down and ditched the glasses.

(edited to add: it's kind of hard to see the horns in the small pic unless it's enlarged.  Believe me, though; they're there.)

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Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 18, 2008, 11:17:29 am
"God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats."

-- Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News in 2006.


Uh, sweetheart edfu -- I'm surprised at you.  That was debunked a bit ago on the internet:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/newsquotes.asp

By the way though, Gov. Palin does believe in creationism, but then again so do many Americans (unfortunately).  The key here is whether or not she's one of those fringe "young earth" types.  There is a deep suspicion that this is the case due to what is taught in her church, as well as some first hand account conversations with her, I believe, but Gov. Palin hasn't been asked this directly by the press.

I do, however, believe it's within the voters' rights to know if a VP candidate believes that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: randym431 on September 19, 2008, 01:26:25 am
I GOT IT!!!
I remember who Sarah Palin reminds me of.
TRACY FLICK!
From the movie ELECTION (1999) with Reese Witherspoon
That’s it! Sarah Palin = Tracy Flick!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 19, 2008, 02:29:33 am
Ha!  You're good, Philly-- very good.  I'm taking the position of the McCain-Palin campaign and will not withdraw any statement proven to be incorrect.  To quote Ms. Palin:  Thanks, but no thanks.

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Curtis on September 19, 2008, 05:37:01 am
Every once in awhile SNL is right on target!

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: pozattitude on September 19, 2008, 04:11:52 pm
I am having Sarah Palin nightmares!

     I dreamt last night that she was a member of a club where they rode snowmobiles and wore the claws of drowned and starved polar bears around their necks.
     I have a particular thing for Polar Bears , maybe it's their snowy whiteness or their bigness or the fact that they live in the arctic or that I have never seen one in person or touched one.  Maybe it is the fact that they live so comfortably on ice. Whatever it is, I need the polar bears.
     I don't like raging at women. I consider myself a "pro-feminist" and I do my part  to help build a better community that will empower women and stop violence against them.  This is why Sarah Palin is all the more insidious and cynical! 
    The people who chose her for the McCain ticket did to satisfy the Republican Evangelical base (Duh!) but also to count on the goodness and solidarity of women,  but everything Sarah Palin believes in and practices goes against feminism, which for me is part of one big picture (save the earth, end racism, empower women, open our minds, deepen tolerance, and end violence and war).       
   I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is one of the most dangerous choices of my lifetime, and should this country chose those candidates the fall-out may be so great, the destruction so vast in so many areas that America may never recover. But what is equally disturbing is the impact that duo would have on the rest of the world.
 Unfortunately, this is not a joke.  In my lifetime I have seen the clownish, the inept, the bizarre be elected to the presidency with regularity.

* Sarah Palin does not believe in evolution
          I take this as a metaphor. In her world and the world of Fundamentalists nothing changes or gets better or evolves. She does not believe that global warming, the melting of the arctic, the storms that are destroying our cities, the pollution and rise of cancers, are all part of God's plan, not man made.  She is fighting to take the polar bears off the endangered species list arguing that the designation slows development in the state of Alaska. The earth, in Palin's view, is here to be taken and plundered because it is her god given right... " And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let him rule over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth"....Sarah Palin believes wolves and bears are here to be shot and plundered, the planet Earth is here to be plundered.
* Sarah Palin does not believe in abortion
           She is a member of the anti-choice group Feminists for Life, and said during her campaign for governor that she is opposed to abortion, even in cases of rape or incest. 
She does not believe in sex education or birth control, just take a look at her daughter...and before anyone gets all pissed off and make a big deal out of it, they tried to impeach Clinton for getting a blow job and then lying about it . So, we can all laugh at Sarah Palin's abstinence-only educated daughter who got knocked up because she didn't know how to use a condom.
* Sarah Palin does not much believe in thinking
           From what I gather she has tried to ban books from the library, has a tendency to dispense with people who think independently.  She cannot tolerate an environment of ambiguity and difference. This is a woman who could and might very well be  the next president of the United States. She would govern one of the most diverse populations on the earth.
* Sarah Palin believes in guns
           She has her own custom Austrian hunting rifle. She has been known to kill 40 caribou at a clip. She has shot hundreds of wolves from the air.
* Sarah Palin believes in God
           That is of course her right, her private right. But when God and Guns come together in the public sector, when war is declared in God's name, when the rights of women are denied in his name, that is the end of separation of church and state and  the undoing of everything America has ever tried to be.

   I write this because I believe we hold this election in our hands. This vote is a vote that will determine the future not just of the U.S., but of the planet. It will determine whether we create policies to save the earth or make it forever uninhabitable for humans. It will determine whether we invest in off shore drilling, strip mining, coal burning or in alternatives that will free us from dependency on oil.  It will determine whether America will remain a free, tolerant and open society or if the future of America is one of fear, intolerance, fundamentalism and aggression.




 
 
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 19, 2008, 04:15:50 pm
It will determine whether America will remain a free, tolerant and open society or if the future of America is one of fear, intolerance, fundamentalism and aggression.

I don't know poz....I'm thinking that the boat may have already sailed on that one..... :)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 20, 2008, 02:46:19 am
Palin want a cracker?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/19/1424780.aspx
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: edfu on September 21, 2008, 06:50:26 am
I do, however, believe it's within the voters' rights to know if a VP candidate believes that dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html

Here's a quote from the above Salon link:

Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board," said Munger, a music composer and teacher. "I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism -- your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.'

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 21, 2008, 02:22:17 pm
The good folks at Landover Baptist invite us all:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/october/sarahpalinweek.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 21, 2008, 02:30:16 pm
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html

Here's a quote from the above Salon link:

Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board," said Munger, a music composer and teacher. "I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism -- your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.'

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."


Yeah, I'd read that already.  And trust edfu -- I totally believe she's a "young earth" creationist, which of course is the most extremist position for a creationist assuredly.  However, in fairness it's just one anecdote.  I'm sure if you asked Sarah on camera she'd deny it.

Of course, the McCain campaign has intimidated the press somewhat so it won't ever be asked, sadly.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 24, 2008, 06:25:38 pm
Maureen Dowd sums it all up:

"McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 25, 2008, 12:24:57 pm
Oh my.....

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/politics-thanks-to-sarah-palin-rises.html
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: woodshere on September 25, 2008, 01:23:20 pm
I said when everyone was up in arms about Bill & Monica that what a politican did with his dick really didn't matter to me and I stand by it today with one exception, what a politician does with her vagina really doesn't matter to me.  Whether it is a republican or democrat my belief is the same.  Hyporcisy aside, what matters is how they govern or will govern.  I think we know enough that no matter what Palin does and with who either in her bedroom or local rent by the hour motel to know that on the issues she is not qualified and her views are way to extreme.  As an example I present this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5881256
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on September 25, 2008, 01:36:27 pm
I said when everyone was up in arms about Bill & Monica that what a politican did with his dick really didn't matter to me and I stand by it today with one exception, what a politician does with her vagina really doesn't matter to me.  Whether it is a republican or democrat my belief is the same.  Hyporcisy aside, what matters is how they govern or will govern.  I think we know enough that no matter what Palin does and with who either in her bedroom or local rent by the hour motel to know that on the issues she is not qualified and her views are way to extreme.  As an example I present this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5881256

It don't matter to me either Woods...too bad our fundamentalist Republican friends don't play by those rules though......Witchcraft! , again I'll say it....Oh My......
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: woodshere on September 25, 2008, 02:00:43 pm
I think that the most frightening thing in all this and what is not getting enough play is WHAT THE FUCK was McCain thinking in picking Palin.  Well actually I know, it was about everything other than who would be the best or even the 100th best oh hell she's not even in the top 500 best to lead this country should he die.  She is in my lowly opinion the most terrifying person in my lifetime  with a legit chance of becoming vice-president.  I mean Ross Perot's running mate the first time was completely lost, but they didn't have a chance, however this quack of a Governor does.  Picking Palin should disqualify McCain from getting anyone's vote. 

I am very passionate about how Palin should never become Vice-president or even worse President. Let me say that I am a person of faith, however every American should be concerned about elected officials who say that the Iraq war is part of God's plan or this little gem referring to her election as Governor: "And he was praying 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way' ... He said, 'Lord make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened." I have no problem, actually I want my elected officials to pray and seek guidance.  I DO NOT want them however to say that "God told me to do this" or "This is what God wants us to do".  Because the God I worship doesn't have a plan in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people are killed in their homeland and soldiers are needlessly killed and traumatized in a war that is being fought for all the wrong reasons nor do things happen in my life because I ask God to make them happen. And if truly offends me when someone such as Palin stands in front of "blind" followers and says something different.  I will say the one thing she has done at least for me is turn me from a luke warm Obama supporter to an all out Obama supporter, so much so I am even wearing an Obama button.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on October 01, 2008, 10:08:03 am
Governor Palins Facebook page:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7827/palinxy5.jpg
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Dachshund on October 01, 2008, 01:13:31 pm
I have, one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years who happens to be gay. And I love her dearly. And she is not my “gay friend.” She is one of my best friends who happens to have made a choice that isn’t a choice that I have made. But I am not gonna judge people. And I love America where we are more tolerant than other countries are. And are more accepting of some of these choices that sometimes people want to believe reflects solely on an individual’s values or not. Homosexuality, I am not gonna judge people.

                                        ~Sara Palin

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on October 02, 2008, 01:07:17 pm
In one part of the interview, I asked her what newspapers and magazines she read before being asked to be John McCain’s running mate,” Couric said. “And she couldn’t name any. So again, I turned to the crew and I said, ‘Hold it, guys,’ and I went to the Governor privately and said, ‘Governor Palin, did you not understand the question? I’m asking you to name some newspapers or magazines you read. You can’t come up with any? I’m just trying to make sure you’re clear and to give you a fair shake here.’ And she said, ‘Okay. Nightline? Is that a magazine?’ I said, ‘No, that’s a television show.’ She said, ‘What about Lou Dobbs? Isn’t that a newspaper?’ And I said, ‘No, that’s a man. Lou Dobbs is a man.’ And there wasn’t much more I could do. I’m not a miracle worker[/b].”

-Katie Couric

Just found out this came from the satire site 23/6...who can tell the difference anymore?... ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Assurbanipal on October 11, 2008, 07:30:36 pm
Sarah Palin says:

"... if you read the report you will see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about it. You have to read the report"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081011/pl_afp/usvote

The report says (p.8 "Findings"):

"...Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating ... the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."
http://download1.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf





Oh well
                . . .  maybe this would make more sense if I had a six pack.    ;)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 11, 2008, 08:23:22 pm
(http://media.philly.com/images/puck11_10112008.jpg)

Poor Sarah -- she just got MAJORLY boo'd at the hockey game tonight here in Philly (hot guy on the left! ooooooooooooooGA!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TgDanmWkg

story (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081011_ap_palindropspuckatphiladelphiaflyersgame.html)

Meanwhile, the same day Obama appeared at four different rallies in Philadelphia -- the most he's done this campaign in one day in the same city.  In fact, Philadelphia is the largest city in any contested state right now.
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on October 11, 2008, 09:09:17 pm
Philadelphia Freedom...Redux....


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/11/202430/83/598/627910


They tried to drown out the crowd with the music but....


oops....this has been done above me........oh well, imitation is the sincerest form of.....
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: atlq on October 14, 2008, 01:22:09 pm
"Monty Python Could Have Written this..."

John Cleese on you know who....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMyNk8J1c8g&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Oceanbeach on October 15, 2008, 12:19:35 am
There have been stories about her abuse of power...  Here is another one

www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081014/Palin.State.Ethics/?=itn_palin   ;D Have the best day
Michael
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Ann on October 15, 2008, 08:05:24 am
I Masturbated To Sarah Palin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=C0kGc6UEGVc)

And you can too! ;D

Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: skeebo1969 on October 15, 2008, 08:28:00 am
I Masturbated To Sarah Palin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=C0kGc6UEGVc)

And you can too! ;D



  Well she definitely has one up on Geraldine Ferraro now doesn't she?
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: komnaes on October 15, 2008, 09:05:23 am

http://www.palinaspresident.com/

 ;D
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: thunter34 on October 15, 2008, 11:04:46 am
http://www.palinaspresident.com/

 ;D

BWAH HA HA HA!!
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 15, 2008, 11:10:45 am
click here bitches (http://homepage.mac.com/bedstuy65/.Pictures/debate.jpg)
Title: Re: Mccain's VP Pick
Post by: thunter34 on October 15, 2008, 11:19:05 am
click here bitches (http://homepage.mac.com/bedstuy65/.Pictures/debate.jpg)

foul.