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Off Topic Forums => Off Topic Forum => Topic started by: Miss Philicia on January 10, 2011, 11:28:12 am
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Teachable Moment: Is youth really worth all of this as we grow older? I think not.
source (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_tourists_model.html#ixzz1AeOBssj3)
A male model confessed Sunday to killing a gay journalist in a Times Square hotel - and gave cops a twisted explanation of why he sexually mutilated his victim, sources said.
Renato Seabra, 20, told cops he used a corkscrew to sever 65-year-old Carlos Castro's genitals as a way to cure the older man of his homosexuality, the police sources said.
Seabra was charged with second-degree murder, police said Monday.
Seabra and Castro came to New York from their native Portugal and by all accounts were a couple - but Seabra appears unable to admit that, police sources said.
"He said he did it to get rid of [Castro's] homosexual demons," one of the police sources said.
Police believe the two men had dated for several months, even though Seabra's family insisted the tanned hunk is straight.
"My son was not Carlos Castro's lover," Seabra's mother, Odília Pereirinha, told a Portuguese TV station. "From the beginning, he never hid his sexuality, which is heterosexual."
Castro was a high-profile gay activist and society columnist in his home country.
Seabra's claim to fame was as a pretty boy contestant on a top model reality show.
The duo were staying at the InterContinental Hotel since Dec. 29 and hit the town together often, dining and drinking at fancy restaurants, friends said.
Whatever the nature of their relationship, this much is certain, cops say: Seabra brutalized his victim and left him to die in a pool of blood.
Detectives briefly questioned Seabra on Sunday at the Bellevue Hospital psychiatric ward, where he is in police custody, the sources said.
Castro was found dead in his room at the hotel Friday. An autopsy showed Castro died of strangulation and blunt-force trauma to the head.
Seabra fled the hotel, but was nabbed at Roosevelt Hospital when he sought treatment for cuts to his face and wrists. Investigators believe he may have tried to kill himself.
Castro paid for the couple's trip to New York to celebrate the new year, but detectives believe Seabra killed his gray-haired lover when he refused to take him on an expensive shopping trip.
Seabra's mother said her son - whom she described as shy and religious - wasn't capable of such horror.
"My son, being a golden boy, who is so good, he didn't do this," she said.
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Clearly, stricter corkscrew control laws are needed.
Joking aside, this is sick. It's sad too. The ramifications of homophobia are too far-reaching - it makes me feel like we're doomed as a society. If it weren't for homophobia, there would be no need for this type of murderous denial and self-hatred.
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Like his mother says, he's a good Catholic boy and couldn't have done this.
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Holy SHIT OUCH!!
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A corkscrew? How exactly...you know what I don't wanna finish this question.
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A corkscrew? How exactly...you know what I don't wanna finish this question.
I was having a lot of problems figuring that one out.
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I was having a lot of problems figuring that one out.
Yeah.... my imagination is wreaking havoc right now.
He must have used this one:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyA3NCDeg_awUmwu7TPcN6VBisNabBRyQpOhQW8C59NkXleghptg)
I'm reading the side of my box and it clearly states: Caution: This corkscrew is not designed for use with synthetic corks due to its Teflon coated screw.
No warning about genitalia....
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Hotel corkscrews have a little knife to cut the seal on top of the bottle.
I dont think its at all clear if the model was hetero or homo. He was certainly a pretty guy and he seemed shy in his youtube clips being interviewed on his reality tv show. He was certainly also a rent boy so gay for pay, or troubled closet case, not clear.
I lost a close older friend, not unlike this victim here. Burned to death by his gigolo. The relationship doesnt have to be twisted, but alas, sometimes its really twisted.
Im not sure its homophobia. OK maybe the mother has some. One wonders which fact destroys her more - that her son is gay? Or a murderer? Or a gigolo? Or a straight boy willing to do gay for pay? Surely too much to take in at once considering the beauty boy she gazed upon for 20 years.
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One must wonder what will wreck dear old Mom worse, when it comes out that her son is indeed gay? Or will it really be better to be able to think,"Oh, well, ummm, since it was gay-for-pay, it still means he's straight, so it's all good." But the reality will still be the same: her son takes it up the ass, and the Entire World knows about it. Whether or not he was making money doing it is the biggest question here.
And again, what's ol' Mumsy to do when her "Golden Boy" gets shipped off for murder? Which given the circumstances, seems a foregone conclusion... But whatever rationale the old gal reverts to (and, I'm betting, a pretty entertaining series of logic-defying rationales), it will be will be incapable of hiding the naked sweaty truth: That now, even IF her "Golden Boy" really wasn't getting cornholed before, he certainly will be when he gets into circulation at Club Fed. And the Entire World knows this too. Fom the look of him, he should prove to be quite popular with the other boys. I would imagine he would be even more popular now than when he was an Altar Boy.
I willl be most curious to see the continued story, and how it plays out. Especially when the denial can no longer hold, and Mommy becomes the Train Wreck that we can already see the beginning of. Best of Luck to her, I think she's gonna need it...
CaptCarl
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I can only hope that mumsy takes it up the ass - without lube - for raising her Golden Boy son in such a homophobic atmosphere. Pretend old man in the sky be damned.
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I can only hope that mumsy takes it up the ass - without lube - for raising her Golden Boy son in such a homophobic atmosphere. Pretend old man in the sky be damned.
Well here -- ask her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUZ1Lu9p3gU
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Well here -- ask her
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUZ1Lu9p3gU
Eu não falo português
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Ummmm.... "date" young boys??
One rather has the impression that there was some element of, errrr, monetary exchange.
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Date? No. Trick? yes.
*clears room of corkscrews, (and there are several)*
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(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5137/renaldos.jpg)
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you're totally killing the fantasy. my friends in palm springs are reeling because of this. this is what i was looking forward to in my golden years, sans corkscrews. that's right, no stis, a bitchy queen of a partner and the occasional weekend trick!
also, not all tricks are psycho! just most of them. and those that are don't take is this far. damnit...
okay, no more inappropriate comments....tonight.
best,
d
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its been my experience that most young men and women drawn into prostitution are not usually mentally stable in first place, go figure
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its been my experience that most young men and women drawn into prostitution are not usually mentally stable in first place, go figure
Whoa. Big call there Z-man.
I know plenty of mentally stable sex workers. Even young ones.
MtD
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its been my experience that most young men and women drawn into prostitution are not usually mentally stable in first place, go figure
Do tell.
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we're waiting.
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Hey prostitutes and johns - it takes two to tango.
I think ywe go a bit far in saying gigolos are for the most part mentally unstable.
Anyway these days on the Swiss gay chat seems like its not so uncommon for young gay to dabble in sex work.
Turning a trick for an hour or two or an evening isnt the same as being a "travel companion". If "golden boy" really uttered the explanation - trying to cure his victim of homosexuality - then we can imagine this was a pretty awful relationship for the two. Different agendas, misunderstood intentions, lack of communication.
Maybe hes a clever boy already aware that the "homo panic" defense is standard - that is, there was no homo panic on his part - its just a clever excuse. Maybe he went into it looking for "mentor" or svengali - related to this career he dreamed of - and misunderstood what was expected of him. Sex OK, but perhaps the john wanted too much - love. And sometimes the older ones can be delusional about the relationship as well. And not at all to blame the victim but we could imagine the older fellow should have protected himself, sensing after having spent so much time with the golden boy, that it was NOT a mutually rewarding relationship.
Maybe just a psychopath. I really didnt get the feeling of a cool, cut-throat hustler who killed because he "didn't get a luxury shopping spree". With his looks, that explanation would mean a really stupid boy cause with his looks he could pass on to the guy who would pay for what he wants.
This is a crime of psychosis and passion, or maybe drugs.
Its the oldest profession and there are tons of customers and workers pretty much satisfied with straightforward commercial aspect of it.
Something went horribly wrong in New York but not sure if "sex work" is the primary "explanation".
Its a tawdry tragic version of Lagerfeld and Baptiste.
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ok ok i give, i'm sorry, i spoke in absolutes, thats always a bad idea... yes, i've had more than my fair share of experience :o, and true enough, the johns add to the problem
point i was trying to make, i didnt make well, i may try again later...
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I still haven't figured out the corkscrew thing.
He isn't all that to begin with. I like men who are a bit more masculine, not a posing girly boy.
OOPS, I had better be careful, he might find out I called him a girly boy and come after me with a cork screw, if he ever gets out of the mental ward.
HUGS,
Mark
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http://www.crobike.de/en/store/product.php?whm=26223&kat=MugsDrinkware&will=Corkscrews&country=Worldwide
Its the standard waiter's corkscrew.
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You prefer your (murderous) trade rougher?
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/10/29/Hung_Jury_in_Hustlers_Murder_Trial/
Ultimate novel about rough trade:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Querelle_de_Brest
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I'm always surprised that I'm still alive, considering all of the rough trade I used to procure especially during those Caribbean jaunts several that were right out of prison. I used to do annual repeats with this guy named Miguel including runs to the tin shack ghetto near the airport to score coke, totally shouldn't have been in that location. He ended up getting murdered years later. Was always very attentive and nice to me however, including the time another hustler tried to pick me up and Miguel pummeled him on the sidewalk as blood went everywhere.
Then there's that ex-trick Luis who is now serving time in a maximum security prison in upstate NY.
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Yeah, I'm surprised I survived my jaunts into Spanish Harlem and the South Bronx to buy drugs in the early 80s. If I ever found out my daughter was doing something similar, I'd be horrified and extremely worried for her safety. When I was doing it, I never gave it a second thought. (Aside from maybe the time the derelict building where stuff was being sold got raided by the cops and I had to jump from the fire escape that ended at the second floor. Scary times.) :o
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I'm always surprised that I'm still alive, considering all of the rough trade I used to procure especially during those Caribbean jaunts several that were right out of prison. I used to do annual repeats with this guy named Miguel including runs to the tin shack ghetto near the airport to score coke, totally shouldn't have been in that location. He ended up getting murdered years later. Was always very attentive and nice to me however, including the time another hustler tried to pick me up and Miguel pummeled him on the sidewalk as blood went everywhere.
Then there's that ex-trick Luis who is now serving time in a maximum security prison in upstate NY.
You could have been killed or had your own episode on "Locked Up Abroad". You have certainly survived a lot.
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Speaking of models and young boys... (http://gawker.com/5727738/how-close-is-too-close-between-mother-and-son/gallery/)
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Speaking of models and young boys... (http://gawker.com/5727738/how-close-is-too-close-between-mother-and-son/gallery/)
Some people take MILF a little too literally.
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Some people take MILF a little too literally.
Her (also a model) son is gay, but did you notice how huge the bulge in his swimsuit is in pic #5?
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Her (also a model) son is gay, but did you notice how huge the bulge in his swimsuit is in pic #5?
Looks like mom sees it too... Come get some MAMA!!!! You know you want it!!
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Her (also a model) son is gay, but did you notice how huge the bulge in his swimsuit is in pic #5?
He's a Freudian psychoanalyst's wet dream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOXQTr_3IVw
(young Jane Krakowski!)
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I'm always surprised that I'm still alive, considering all of the rough trade I used to procure especially during those Caribbean jaunts several that were right out of prison.
Then there's that ex-trick Luis who is now serving time in a maximum security prison in upstate NY.
I feel you Ms. P. --- when I lived in DC, I used to cop in areas where the police wouldn't even go. This was back when Mayor Berry was in charge (well actually the Jamaican drug posses were running things) - and the Nation of Islam was called in to Paradise-Mayfair apartments - where I used to frequent - to calm down the violence because the police were afraid to go in. Then there is the Army buddy - Tony - who got shot in front of me over a deal gone bad - he lived and we were right back out on the streets a few days later.
And the tricks --- YIKE - when I first moved to Fort Lauderdale --- YIKES --- one is in prison for murder, the other for aggravated assault, a few for drug charges... and those were the nice ones. Luckily I made it out alive and relatively unharmed.
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I'm always surprised that I'm still alive, considering all of the rough trade I used to procure especially during those Caribbean jaunts several that were right out of prison. I used to do annual repeats with this guy named Miguel including runs to the tin shack ghetto near the airport to score coke, totally shouldn't have been in that location. He ended up getting murdered years later. Was always very attentive and nice to me however, including the time another hustler tried to pick me up and Miguel pummeled him on the sidewalk as blood went everywhere.
Then there's that ex-trick Luis who is now serving time in a maximum security prison in upstate NY.
Yeah, I'm surprised I survived my jaunts into Spanish Harlem and the South Bronx to buy drugs in the early 80s. If I ever found out my daughter was doing something similar, I'd be horrified and extremely worried for her safety. When I was doing it, I never gave it a second thought. (Aside from maybe the time the derelict building where stuff was being sold got raided by the cops and I had to jump from the fire escape that ended at the second floor. Scary times.) :o
Ok if I ever find myself in a sticky situation I want you both at my back.. ;)
Edited to add....I want Phil there too.
Aroha
Jan :-*
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Ok if I ever find myself in a sticky situation I want you both at my back.. ;)
Edited to add....I want Phil there too.
Aroha
Jan :-*
You know we got your back, Jan. ;)
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Ok if I ever find myself in a sticky situation I want you both at my back.. ;)
Edited to add....I want Phil there too.
Aroha
Jan :-*
I have your back too Jan --
Oh, and I also survived a robbery attempt 4 years ago (right outside the building I currently live in - North Miami) --- happened at 8:54 p.m. and the youngster and his friend decided they wanted to run up on me and put a 357 revolver to my ribs ---- needless to say, they got the money ($17) and two cell phones (as I was in no position to argue) - on a positive note, they didn't dig deep enough into my pocket to get my "stash" and they were kind of cute (in a thuggish, potential murderer type of way) :)
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I got you all beat. I copped during the 1989 Miami riots, which came after Miami police officer William Lozano put a bullet in the brain of Clement Lloyd. Not even the closing of I-95 could keep my ass out of Overtown..... and the REAL Pork N' Beans in Liberty City; anyone from down here just mention the cross streets of NW 15 Ave and 62 St, they'll know what's up....
But hey, even more impressive than all that............ I jumped off a 3 story building when I was 8 years old with a broken parachute that my step dad gave me.
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It's not about copping, it's about copping with hustlers. Preferably followed by licking coke out of their foreskins. ;D
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It's not about copping, it's about copping with hustlers. Preferably followed by licking coke out of their foreskins. ;D
LOL I'm so sorry, Ann didn't mention that part. However, I did rip my nutsack on a gas tank when I was fourteen, does that count?
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Please remind me not to let any of you set me up on a blind date!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Please remind me not to let any of you set me up on a blind date!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Are you sure? 'Cuz I know this really scrumptious young lad - and his daddy's rich. :)
Ann
(who wishes the scrumptious young lad was twenty years older and bi or straight)
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I have your back too Jan --
they were kind of cute (in a thuggish, potential murderer type of way) :)
Beauty is only skin deep..evil goes right to the bone, but hey if he's cute who am I to judge.... ;D
But hey, even more impressive than all that............ I jumped off a 3 story building when I was 8 years old with a broken parachute that my step dad gave me.
Do you think he was trying to tell you something Skeebo.. ;)
Aroha
Jan :-*
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Are you sure? 'Cuz I know this really scrumptious young lad - and his daddy's rich. :)
Ann
(who wishes the scrumptious young lad was twenty years older and bi or straight)
Can we skip the young lad and just give me the daddy? I like older men ;) ;D ::)
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Can we skip the young lad and just give me the daddy? I like older men ;) ;D ::)
Why not both? You can have the Daddy and keep the young lad for various domestic duties around the manse. :)
MtD
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Why not both? You can have the Daddy and keep the young lad for various domestic duties around the manse. :)
MtD
Brilliant plan Sir Matty! And I can always loan the lad out to you for non-domestic duties, lol. ;D
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Brilliant plan Sir Matty! And I can always loan the lad out to you for non-domestic duties, lol. ;D
Very kind Master O, but my Indonesian houseboy Bambang provides for all my needs. :)
MtD
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Very kind Master O, but my Indonesian houseboy Bambang provides for all my needs. :)
MtD
Ahh yes, I forgot all about Bambang. Good to hear he's still serving you well! ;)
odyssey
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Ahh yes, I forgot all about Bambang. Good to hear he's still serving you well! ;)
odyssey
He's certainly an improvement on his predecessor, Po. :)
MtD
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Do you think he was trying to tell you something Skeebo.. ;)
Yeah, he explained it all to me when I turned 16. lol GET OUT!!!
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Yeah, he explained it all to me when I turned 16. lol GET OUT!!!
Yeah that would explain the broken shute...bet he was pissed that he had to wait another 8 years to get you out... ;)
Aroha
Jan :-*
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Yeah that would explain the broken shute...bet he was pissed that he had to wait another 8 years to get you out... ;)
Aroha
Jan :-*
I knew I should have changed my last name back to Griffin. :D
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Can we skip the young lad and just give me the daddy? I like older men ;) ;D ::)
Why not both? You can have the Daddy and keep the young lad for various domestic duties around the manse. :)
MtD
Brilliant plan Sir Matty! And I can always loan the lad out to you for non-domestic duties, lol. ;D
Ah, but the one flaw in Matty's plan is that Daddy is totally straight and totally in love with the scrumptious young lad's mother. Still, after all these years. And she's a tough cookie - I sure wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of her.
However, I do know an older bear who would be delighted to meet you, but the only problem possibly from your end is that he's... well... he's kinda shaped like Yogi Bear. You know, like a bear who's had one (or twenty) too many pick-a-nick baskets! :o
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I had to look up copping. Found it in the urban dictrionary, which explains it cause I don't live in an urban area.
Now, back to the topic at hand - MEN!
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don't worry aztecan, you are not alone :)
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