Author Topic: risk of infection or STD? (Read 10450 times)

matt36 · « **on:** December 06, 2008, 12:30:13 am »

Hi!

I am a 36yr old gay guy who has been very stupid. Last January I was very drunk and engaged in unprotected anal intercourse while on holiday. I was the bottom. Not being used to penetration, afterwards I developed a painful fissure in my rectum and two months later I needed surgery for this.
I had been ill since this happened with fever and outbreaks of herpes all over my face on and off.
I tested for HIV with 4th gen. combo essays 3,5 and 7 weeks after the incident and had a full STD panel
after 3.5 months, this time with an approved quick antibody bloodtest at the local STD clinic, all negative. I had been hospitalized one month before I took the final HIV-test and had received enormous amounts of Morhine IV. to elivate the excruciating pain after my surgery. I also lost 15kilos and I am still now, 6 months later having outbursts of Herpes in my face which I treat with acicolvir.
I have eaten lots of pain killers all the time, including morphine tablets when the pain has peaked.
I really have never felt so ill and weak in all my life as I did when I took all my HIV-tests and especially the final one after 3.5 months. My question to you experts is: Can I completely rely on my HIV-neg. status?
I know I had many tests, but could my immune system have been so weakened by the pain, the constant colds and infections in my chest I have had the last year and by all the IV. morphine and painkillers I have been given, that even my last test after 3.5 months when I was so ill I could barely get my body to the STD-clinic could be falsely negative?? I read that IV. drugs can delay seroconversion.
Do I have to test again since I still feel ill? My Doctor does not think so. I would be greatful for your advice.

Thanks a million for your help!

RapidRod · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2008, 04:05:19 am »

When we talk IV drugs we are talking street drugs. Your test is conclusive. You don't have HIV.

Andy Velez · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2008, 08:59:23 am »

Matt, I agree with Rod that none of the medications you have been taking would skewer the accuracy of your HIV tests. You ARE HIV negative.

But you do need to learn from this experience. Excessive drinking mixed with casual sex is a very, very dangerous combination. All too many times it results in just what happened with you -- not bothering to use condoms for intercourse. Fortunately you have scooted by safely this time, but you can't count on it always being that way. You can have all the intercourse you want and in any position, regardless of the HIV status of your partner(s). But do it the safer way, which means that everytime the insertive partner uses a condom.

Condoms do the job and you need to use them everytime without except.

You don't need to be further concerned about HIV this time.

Cheers.

nikskin · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2008, 04:46:22 am »

i.m 35yrs old and i was a iv drug user.
i tested poz 4 HIV in 1997 but was do unprotected sex since the age of 11.
i find the whole thing a little upsetting as i was always thinking there is something wrong here as it was not untill i used drugs that i tested poz for hiv.

this week i was shockd when a doc friend came across a video which i must say i find to be telling me something that i have felt for a long time .

? ARE ANY OF US REALLY HIV POZ

here is the link to that video www.[blocked URL].com look for the vidoe on this link

report back what u think

nicholas

nikskin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2008, 04:48:03 am »

[blocked URL] .COM

RapidRod · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2008, 04:55:45 am »

Nickskin, Read the posting guidelines of this forum like you should have done before your first post. DO NOT post in any thread other than your own. Note; posting denialist URL or posts will get you banned from the forum.

matt36 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2010, 01:29:41 pm »

Hi!

I visited a dark room the 3 days ago and a guy brushed passed me for some reason touching my hands - I think his hands were moist- he possible had cum on them. A minute or so later I masturbated myself and do not know if his cum ended up on my penis. I had a watery discharge today and some urinary pain-and itch but since I have got an inflammatory Bowel Disease and anal fissures that hurt I sometimes have pain from my urinary tract from them. Should I get tested for STD:s over this incident and am I at risk of HIV?

Greatful for your response!

Ann · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2010, 01:50:08 pm »

Matt,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

You're not going to become infected from touching someone's hand and then touching your penis, even if cum was present. Hiv is not transmitted in that manner.

Ann

matt36 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2010, 01:57:46 pm »

I understand Ann- it is just this happened three days ago - is there any risk of any other STD apart from HIV from this incident and do I have to test?

Ann · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2010, 02:22:52 pm »

Matt,

No risk of anything. You don't need to test.

Ann

matt36 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2011, 08:08:10 am »

Hi all!

Last week I visited a sauna and a guy ejaculated over a lesion on my hand. I had cut myself on a rosetag about two hours earlier and the cut was small but quite deep and some blood was sipping out of it. The ejaculate came straight over the cut. I washed myself about 15 min later. I dont know if the guy was HIV+ but he might well have been. I am very scared now and find it very difficult to sleep at night because I am so afraid. Would anyone please help me assess the risk!

Thanks!!

Andy Velez · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2011, 08:54:45 am »

Matt, I have again merged your previous thread here with your latest question. Please remember in the future to always use this same thread for any additional entries. That's a rule of the site and we'd appreciate you follow it.

Now, your latest concern. In order for that incident to have been a genuine risk you would have needed to have a substantial open and bleeding wound into which HIV+ blood and/or sperm was directly pouring. What you described hardly sounds like that to me. For instance the very air in the sauna would immediately affect the viability of HIV adversely if it was present.

HIV is a very fragile virus. Sexually the only confirmed risks for transmission are unprotected vaginal and anal inrtercourse. Those activities provide the kind of receptive setting which are needed for HIV to be transmitted with the possibility of infection occuring.

Maybe you should reconsider the circumstances where you are going for sex since you seem to experience a lot of anxiety afterwards. Just saying...

I don't see any need for testing nor for further concern on your part.

matt36 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:13:34 am »

Hi again!
Now it has been a week since I got sperm in the small wound on my hand. A have got a cold today with a sore throat and mild fever. I also have some pain in my stomach, but I am used to that since I have got Chrons disease. (Inflammatory bowel disease). I also feel fatigue. Sorry for asking again, but the lesion on my hand was about 5mmX1mm and some blood was coming out from it. Maybe 2-4 hrs before I had cut myself on a rosetag. The ejaculate came straight down on my hand and some of it must have entered the cut. Is it absolutely certain it cant be primary HIV symptoms and do I not have to test over this incident?
I had a full STD check up a month ago so apart from this I have no other risk exposure.
Thanks again Andy et al. !

Andy Velez · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:18:08 am »

Matt, you are continuing to worry needlessly about HIV. There was no risk and the fact that you Chrons disease does not change anything that has been said to you previously. Nor are any of the "symptoms" you are reporting in anyway suggestive of HIV.

I don't see any need for testing. The only reason for testing is if you are going to continue to fret about this incident. In that case get tested and collect the inevitable negative result. But testing is really not otherwise necessary. This was not a risky incident.

matt36 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2011, 01:50:46 pm »

Hi again!
Sry for writing to you experts again, but today it has been 11 days since a I got sperm on a small lesion on my hand. My cold that started 4 days ago has only got worse and so has my ear inflammation. As I am abroad in a very warm country I went to see the local doctor, who said I had a severe pharyngotonsillitis, bronchitis and earinflammation. I also have a fever of 39 degr. So I was given antibiotics. I also have a white discharge from my urethra, but that discharge happens sometimes when my Crohns disease gets worse and my sthomach gets upset. I am now terrified this could be primary HIV infection. I am going home next week if I am fit enough for the filght. Should I not test for HIV? I dont remember when I was this ill before. What if the ejaculate ended straight on my wound? I have also no appetite because of fever and sore throat. Could this not be related to the incident in the sauna? Sry for writing again, but I am really scared now.

Thanks in advance!

Andy Velez · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2011, 02:51:23 pm »

Quote from: Andy Velez on February 23, 2011, 08:18:08 am

Matt, you are continuing to worry needlessly about HIV. There was no risk and the fact that you Chrons disease does not change anything that has been said to you previously. Nor are any of the "symptoms" you are reporting in anyway suggestive of HIV.

I don't see any need for testing. The only reason for testing is if you are going to continue to fret about this incident. In that case get tested and collect the inevitable negative result. But testing is really not otherwise necessary. This was not a risky incident.

You seem bent on misinterpreting every symptom you have as another sign of HIV. Except you didn't have an actual risk as you have already been told. And of course there is nothing even remotely HIV-specific about any of the symptoms you are experiencing. Discuss them with your doctor.

This is not an HIV situation. Period.

matt36 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2011, 03:21:36 pm »

Thanks for your answer Andy!!
I just have one final question. You wrote earlier that for this to be a risk it had to be an open or bleeding wound into which HIVpos blood or sperm was directly pouring. The wound was bleeding and although narrow quite deep. Sperm must have entered easily. How long after a cut would it pose a risk? Sometimes my skin seems to heal slowly. Are we talking minutes from cut to exposure of a few hours?
Thanks alot!

Andy Velez · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2011, 07:50:47 am »

I don't have anything more to add. And I am not going to get into the quantifying risk game with you because I can see every response only brings up "just one more question."

You didn't have a for-real risk. Period. Even though I don't see any cause for concern I am going to suggest that you get tested. You can do it initially at 6 weeks after the incident you are concerned about. A negative at 6 weeks means you are almost certianly going to test negative at 13 weeks.

I might add that I have never known of a confirmed case of transmission in the manner you are worried about. HIV is just not that easy to transmit. It requires the kind of receptive environment which unprotected intercourse and the sharing of intravenous needles provide to be transmitted in a viable form.

Hopefully you will accept the inevitable negative results since as far as I am concerned you were not at risk and getting tested is strictly for your peace of mind.

matt36 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 20, 2011, 07:38:26 am »

Hi all!
I have a question about an incident that happened three days ago. I met a guy and we started having oral sex at first. Then he put his penis around my anal area - I did not feel any penetration but he pushed slightly against my sphincter possibly and then he pulled out and we had no anal sex after, we just masturbated.
I am now wondering if I put myself at risk and need testing over this incident. A few minutes later I felt with my fingers in my anal area but outside the sphincter and I am almost sure there was some precum there, it was moist with a familiar smell. The time inside my anal orifice must have been maximum five seconds. Was this accidental topping or just frottage? And do I have to test over this? Greatful for expert opinion!

Ann · « **Reply #19 on:** May 20, 2011, 11:52:01 am »

Matt,

If you were actually penetrated, you would have known, so yes, this was frottage. Frottage is not a risk for hiv infection. You do not need to test over this specific incident.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

matt36 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 20, 2011, 12:20:03 pm »

Thanks Ann!!
Just one more question: Does it matter that I have an anal fissure right now if indeed precum was present in my anal area?

Andy Velez · « **Reply #21 on:** May 20, 2011, 01:31:14 pm »

No. Still not a risk as long as no unprotected anal penetration.

matt36 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 25, 2011, 02:31:33 am »

Hi again!
Sorry for writing again, but yesterday I went to the doctor because of cough and fever. I had ear inflammation and bronchitis and was given antibiotics. Although it is not the first time I have these problems - I am asthmatic - I still got very worried. I might accidentaly have displaced some precum from my anal area to the inside of my sphincter around five minutes after the frottage with my fingers. Could infection occur this way?

Thanks for your help!

Andy Velez · « **Reply #23 on:** May 25, 2011, 08:18:01 am »

No, transmission could not happen in the manner of your latest concern.

You need to begin applying what has been said to you repeatedly in the past as you continue having experiencies instead of coming here anxiously each time you have a sexual experience.

The only confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV are unprotected anal (and vaginal) intercourse. And frottage or anal play are not intercourse. For risk we're talking about actual unprotected anal penetration.

I am going to warn you now that if you continue to come back here with more of these non-risk and what if situations you are going to very quickly find yourself getting a Time Out from the site.

Consider yourself warned.

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