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Main Forums => Living With HIV => Topic started by: cpdh20 on March 01, 2010, 11:00:21 am
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hi guys, a friend of mine told me that using amyl is not good for you if you have hiv because it will weaken the immune system, is that true? any answer will be much apreciated, iam looking to hear about your experiences...thanks
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If you attach the bottle to your nostril with a rubber band and sniff it for five hours I'm sure it's not good for anyone HIV- or +, but if you use it infrequently it's dispersed easily in the body and is of no concern. Tell your friend he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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In the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in gay culture there was a theory linking poppers to AIDS and to kaposi. This is urban legend, now, long discredited --- however - important to NOTE:
Poppers are to be used intelligently because they can lower your inhibitions - and heighten your desire and you can do things you might regret. Also, poppers like other drugs physically allow you to do rougher sex and not notice little aches and warning signs that you are increasing risk of damage or infections that may have nothing to do with HIV. Conversely, poppers also dilate muscles to make sex less violent. So 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another.
I asked my doctors for years about poppers and immunity and always get the same response - there is evidence it can temporarily stress immunity but the effect is counted in hours and days.
If an HIV+ person's immunity is on the downward spiral, it seems common sense to use poppers with extreme awareness, not casually.
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Nitrite inhalants are most likely to damage the cardiovascuar system. They should be used with care.
MtD
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Nitrite inhalants are most likely to damage the cardiovascuar system. They should be used with care.
MtD
We use amyl nitrite in the box to relieve chest pain in heart attacks and for dangerously slow heart rate. Any left we take a hit or two. ;)
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We use amyl nitrite in the box to relieve chest pain in heart attacks and for dangerously slow heart rate. Any left we take a hit or two. ;)
Got any left over fentanyl? ;)
MtD
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I just found out what these things are. So how do you get em? Do I go to my doctor or to the guy on the corner? Or, is it something I can make at home with some fertilizer and bug spray? Also, do women like them, never hear any of our female compadres speak about it.
Would this be a good thing for our marriage or should we just stick to the ole routine of sex after American Idol ?
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Got any left over fentanyl? ;)
MtD
Nah, the strongest we have is morphine sulfate and that won't touch fentanyl.
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Nah, the strongest we have is morphine sulfate and that won't touch fentanyl.
I know. MorphSulph is like aspirin after fentanyl. :(
MtD
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I just found out what these things are. So how do you get em? Do I go to my doctor or to the guy on the corner? Or, is it something I can make at home with some fertilizer and bug spray? Also, do women like them, never hear any of our female compadres speak about it.
Would this be a good thing for our marriage or should we just stick to the ole routine of sex after American Idol ?
Here in the US Tom you can find it as VHS tape head cleaner. ;) You might still be able to find it in the bookstores but I think you have to ask.. ;D
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Also, do women like them, never hear any of our female compadres speak about it.
Oh yes, women like them! ;)
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Oh yes, women like them! ;)
Why you saucy wench! ;D
MtD
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Why you saucy wench! ;D
MtD
Well, it's just what I've heard... :D
Skeebo i've also..erm...heard that you can get them at any good sex shop.. ;D
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Cool then, now I just need to figure out a way to get her to try it... ;)
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Cool then, now I just need to figure out a way to get her to try it... ;)
smell this might work lol
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I sound like Nadine de Rothschild giving advice on poppers. Or maybe Sanjay Gupta. Is it me or is he getting cheesier and cheesier. He guest anchored Anderson Cooper the other night - whats that all about?
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Cool then, now I just need to figure out a way to get her to try it... ;)
To hell with her trying amyl, do it yourself and enjoy the rush. However, make sure you do the snorting well into your sex play, as they loose their effectiveness rather quickly. Can't believe you Thomas, the head, haven't tried them yet.
Yes to the question of the OP. They are not bad for you, except for the points raised above.
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inhalants r bad for u, period.
as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.
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inhalants r bad for u, period.
as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.
The benefit of poppers is for the bottom, not the top drooling and panting over him.
MtD
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The benefit of poppers is for the bottom, not the top drooling and panting over him.
MtD
the only benefit to inhaling the fumes of industrial chemical solvents is to the companies that sell the stuff. may as well pour some airplane glue in a bag n huff that.
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The benefit of poppers is for the bottom, not the top drooling and panting over him.
Au contraire! The benefits of the quick high are just as pleasurable for the drooling, panting top ;)
were you spying on leatherman this weekend? 8) I was only drooling a wee bit, the rest was sweat. ;)
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Au contraire! The benefits of the quick high are just as pleasurable for the drooling, panting top ;)
were you spying on leatherman this weekend? 8) I was only drooling a wee bit, the rest was sweat. ;)
Ick.
MtD
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I first came across poppers around age 13. They gave me a huge rush and made my junk really hard. The one's I used were called, "Rush". I think they said the "use" was an air freshener. I think it said to open the cap and use it as an air freshener--go figure. I would not like it as an air freshener. I know I've read inhalants are some of the worse things to use--destroys more brain cells...well, that is what the "experts" said. They like to scare people, but chronic use couldn't be good for ya I wouldn't think.
All I know about dangers is that you're not suppose to take them with meds like Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra. As I got older, poppers would give me a bad headache and make my sinuses all dried out. So, I stopped using them. When I tried Viagra, it did the exact same thing.
By the way, I also remember seeing documentaries about the HIV epidemic where they once thought poppers had something to do with all the illnesses in the gay community they were seeing.
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By the way, I also remember seeing documentaries about the HIV epidemic where they once thought poppers had something to do with all the illnesses in the gay community they were seeing.
Yairs the leading advocate of that school of thought used to post in these forums under the handle "Smoothstone".
MtD
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An other thing one should be aware of is that they don't mix well with viagra, cialis or levitra. Since they are all dilate blood vessels there is a risk of hypotension, abnormally low blood pressure, which isn't a good thing.
http://www.poz.com/articles/230_7313.shtml
http://www.poz.com/articles/217_11330.shtml
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inhalants r bad for u, period.
as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.
So you've never had nitrous oxide in a dentist office?
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Yairs the leading advocate of that school of thought used to post in these forums under the handle "Smoothstone".
MtD
And for all of our many new members here, those threads of Smoothstone's are worthy reading material.
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"Smoothstone" was, as he openly admitted, Hank Wilson, one of the greatest LGBT and AIDS activists of the last forty years. Sadly, he died in November 2008. His accomplishments are legion and mind-boggling. Here is a beautiful tribute:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/the-city-of-saint-francis_b_143131.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/the-city-of-saint-francis_b_143131.html)
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He was still up a creek without a paddle about poppers.
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To hell with her trying amyl, do it yourself and enjoy the rush. However, make sure you do the snorting well into your sex play, as they loose their effectiveness rather quickly. Can't believe you Thomas, the head, haven't tried them yet.
Yes to the question of the OP. They are not bad for you, except for the points raised above.
I guess this is one of those situations where I wish I had an extra hand protruding from my chest to hold the bottle, much like when I am trying to make a ponytail for my daughter. I better stick with the weed, I am sure this amyl or DVD cleaner doesn't mix with the candle lit atmosphere of the bedroom. I might have a use for it this weekend however, my wife wants to go see some chic flic called Dear John , she has a crush on the leading man. Maybe if I pull out an extra strength bottle of Memorex Head Cleaner ole Skeebo can get his head cleaned in the middle rows of a Regal 10 Theater while watching the stupid movie.
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"Smoothstone" was, as he openly admitted, Hank Wilson, one of the greatest LGBT and AIDS activists of the last forty years. Sadly, he died in November 2008. His accomplishments are legion and mind-boggling. Here is a beautiful tribute:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/the-city-of-saint-francis_b_143131.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/the-city-of-saint-francis_b_143131.html)
Thank you for posting that memorial.
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When I was a kid, you used to be able to buy poppers at "head" shops. Do head shops still exist in the State? I dunno, haven't been there in nearly 20 years. They still have head shops in the UK.
For a while we used to buy poppers and do them at school between classes, by the vending machines. It took ages for the teachers to figure out what that weird smell was and why there was always intense giggling going on whenever that smell was wafting about. We started getting busted after that. ;D
It must be around 30 years since I had any poppers. Yep, I'm old. :-\
I think you can buy poppers online. Oh, the joys of teh interwebbies!
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I guess this is one of those situations where I wish I had an extra hand protruding from my chest to hold the bottle, much like when I am trying to make a ponytail for my daughter. I better stick with the weed, I am sure this amyl or DVD cleaner doesn't mix with the candle lit atmosphere of the bedroom. I might have a use for it this weekend however, my wife wants to go see some chic flic called Dear John , she has a crush on the leading man. Maybe if I pull out an extra strength bottle of Memorex Head Cleaner ole Skeebo can get his head cleaned in the middle rows of a Regal 10 Theater while watching the stupid movie.
Tom it will turn your candle lit bedroom into an orgy with all those firefighters there. :D
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Amyl Nitrate is fun and probably can be used in moderation without negative health effects. The crap sold OTC like "Rush" and other names is a headache in a bottle although it may not be harmful in reasonable amounts. As a teenager I was more than happy to try several inhalants and wouldn't try any besides amyl nitrate again. Freon, lighter fluid,
Elmer's glue, etc. (even gasoline unintentionally once when sitting in a stalled, airtight car in a rainstorm) seem to have the same end effect: crushing headache. I can have those without inhalants. I haven't done amyl in several hundred years.
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Don't forget to pick up some Ethyl Chloride as well -- that really gets the party going!
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I always stayed natural, weed and crack. Don't worry the crack part was a 9 month stint when I was 17. I say nine months, but it took me two years to finally kick it. ;) I've learned a lot here at AM since joining. I learned poppers wasn't some sort of sexual position or act, although I still have my doubts you guys aren't telling me everything. I learned what a Prince Albert is.... never ever would have guessed that one on my own. The one I am most embarassed about is spooning, fuck we never called it that. Sat here for a good 4 years hearing that term thrown around and was thinking WTF are they talking about. Reminded me when I was in the 4rth grade when all the kids were talking about where they had put their fingers the past weekend and who wasn't a virgin. I thought they were talking about some church crap and, like here, I didn't dare ask!!
I'll stick to my weed and the buck position, to old to teach this dog new tricks. Plus the DVD cleaner will probably give me a heart attack.
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I always stayed natural, weed and crack. Don't worry the crack part was a 9 month stint when I was 17. I say nine months, but it took me two years to finally kick it. ;) I've learned a lot here at AM since joining. I learned poppers wasn't some sort of sexual position or act, although I still have my doubts you guys aren't telling me everything. I learned what a Prince Albert is.... never ever would have guessed that one on my own. The one I am most embarassed about is spooning, fuck we never called it that. Sat here for a good 4 years hearing that term thrown around and was thinking WTF are they talking about. Reminded me when I was in the 4rth grade when all the kids were talking about where they had put their fingers the past weekend and who wasn't a virgin. I thought they were talking about some church crap and, like here, I didn't dare ask!!
I'll stick to my weed and the buck position, to old to teach this dog new tricks. Plus the DVD cleaner will probably give me a heart attack.
Jacob's Ladder, Guiche, Fisting, Felching, Pony Play, Scatophilia. Have a field day Skeebo :D
PS: I remember seeing FF and PNP on people's profiles and for the longest time I had no idea what either meant.
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Thars fist fuckin' in Mississippi?
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Thars fist fuckin' in Mississippi?
We have a lot less to do here so we find ways to pass the time more imaginatively.
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Thars fist fuckin' in Mississippi?
sexual pleasure and perversion know no geography.
LONG LIVE POPPERS!
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So you've never had nitrous oxide in a dentist office?
no, but i did try whip-its on the Stuyvesant Town benches with Stuy's resident Norwegian neohippy drug-dealer back in high school. still not something i would have considered for sex...
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Don't forget to pick up some Ethyl Chloride as well -- that really gets the party going!
Oh this. ++ to this!
Dear old Mother Ethyl. :D
MtD
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inhalants r bad for u, period.
as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.
NOT true if they're used in moderation. Just don't "live" on the bottle. For the bottom, it's great, and sometimes necessary, and far better and safer than 'sniffing glue.' Apparently you've never tried them.
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my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
Who here would ever have thought otherwise?
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NOT true if they're used in moderation. Just don't "live" on the bottle. For the bottom, it's great, and sometimes necessary, and far better and safer than 'sniffing glue.' Apparently you've never tried them.
i have, they don't do shit to me but burn my nostrils. inhalants r never "necessary", except for psychosomatic effect. there r no industrial solvents meant for concentrated human inhalation., period.
many of this site use boilerplate text from US Gov't health sites in support of the use of condoms, but those same sites list poppers as an "inhalant" right next to airplane glue, spraypaint, gasoline sniffing and what have u.
it is only in the gay community that people reflexively defend "poppers" as some sort of cultural legacy.
funniest thing is watching people "in recovery" defend their use of poppers as "non-intoxicating"...
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Who here would ever have thought otherwise?
some of the people here who think i shouldn't feel burdened by condoms obliterating the advantages of that sensitivity, that's who.
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If you don't like poppers, then don't use the fucking things. They ain't compulsory.
Also:
many of this site use boilerplate text from US Gov't health sites in support of the use of condoms, but those same sites list poppers as an "inhalant" right next to airplane glue, spraypaint, gasoline sniffing and what have u.
Cute strawman, that one.
MtD
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i have, they don't do shit to me but burn my nostrils. inhalants r never "necessary", except for psychosomatic effect. there r no industrial solvents meant for concentrated human inhalation., period.
many of this site use boilerplate text from US Gov't health sites in support of the use of condoms, but those same sites list poppers as an "inhalant" right next to airplane glue, spraypaint, gasoline sniffing and what have u.
it is only in the gay community that people reflexively defend "poppers" as some sort of cultural legacy.
funniest thing is watching people "in recovery" defend their use of poppers as "non-intoxicating"...
And you use what to back up yourself? For some ignorance is a blessing.
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If you don't like poppers, then don't use the fucking things. They ain't compulsory.
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many of this site use boilerplate text from US Gov't health sites in support of the use of condoms, but those same sites list poppers as an "inhalant" right next to airplane glue, spraypaint, gasoline sniffing and what have u.
Cute strawman, that one.
MtD
::) tell me again about how harmless a longterm viral load of 60,000+ is "as long as it's not changing"...?
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And you use what to back up yourself? For some ignorance is a blessing.
back up WHAT? specifics r kryptonite to u it seems.
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some of the people here who think i shouldn't feel burdened by condoms obliterating the advantages of that sensitivity, that's who.
You didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.
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You didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.
u lie poorly, u have no idea how i got here. ::)
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::) tell me again about how harmless a longterm viral load of 60,000+ is "as long as it's not changing"...?
Not what I said. Also unrelated to this thread. Nice attempt to verbal Matty the Damned, but your efforts are made of failsauce.
MtD
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Anyone want any popcorn? We can sprinkle some DVD cleaner on it.
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Not what I said. Also unrelated to this thread. Nice attempt to verbal Matty the Damned, but your efforts are made of failsauce.
MtD
::) u've been guzzling that failsauce again, haven't u...
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=31431.msg385230#msg385230
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Anyone want any popcorn? We can sprinkle some DVD cleaner on it.
Thanks for the offer Tom, but my nose is stuffed up..
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u lie poorly, u have no idea how i got here. ::)
I didn't say how you got here. I said you didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.
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I didn't say how you got here. I said you didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.
oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.
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Jeton, Is english your second or third language?
U is NOT a word in the english dictionary. Neither are many of the words you purport to understand.
Of course, your dogma is getting in the way of your clairity also. :O
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oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.
oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/RHaines/rofl.gif)
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Jeton, Is english your second or third language?
U is NOT a word in the english dictionary. Neither are many of the words you purport to understand.
Of course, your dogma is getting in the way of your clairity also. :O
i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.
how's that for 'clairity' ? ::)
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i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.
how's that for 'clairity' ? ::)
For clarification for you.
Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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For clarification for you.
Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
it's obvious that u consider disagreements with ur silly n often poorly reasoned orthodoxy to be "trolling", but i'm fairly on-topic in these forums...except when i take the bait of responding to the childish insults and bizarrely empty arguments of urself n a few others.
poppers BAD, btw. :)
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jeton, are you even positive?
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My brother was reminding me how we use to smell car exhaust as kids--like 4 yrs old. This was back when it was leaded gas. I remember it smelling so good. Maybe this is what is wrong with me today..lol. Our parents would yell at us and then put us in the car without car seats and would smoke with the windows up. So, I doubt poppers in moderations are bad. I love that laughing gas at the dentist. My first job at 16 was at DQ. We made our own whipped cream and had our own nitrous tank. Fun times.
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jeton, are you even positive?
::)
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61 posts and not once have you mentioned your status. You need to read the posting guidelines of this forum.
edited. It was brought to my attention that you did put a liitle paragraph on what meds you are on.
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61 posts and not once have you mentioned your status. You need to read the posting guidelines of this forum.
Ahem -- he has mentioned his HAART meds however, when quoting Veritas and saying he had the same combo. And don't the posting guidelines say "Please be courteous of other members. "?
(Good grief !)
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Ahem -- he has mentioned his HAART meds however, when quoting Veritas and saying he had the same combo. And don't the posting guidelines say "Please be courteous of other members. "?
(Good grief !)
Assurbanipal, we have to give some lead way for some. Unless you read the posting guidelines you'd miss that part.
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Hey Jeton
A lot of folks start a separate thread and introduce themselves. Its no guarantee that there won't be a pissing match but sometimes it helps (Hint hint :) )
A
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inhalants r bad for u, period.
as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.
if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.
I believe everyone is correct here. I don't believe there has been any research which has concluded any long term or significant issues arising from the occasional use of poppers. However, chronic use has been found to cause some neurological damage.
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i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.
how's that for 'clairity' ? ::)
Clear as mud. As I said to you elsewhere, it's difficult to take someone seriously who can't even be bothered to write out as simple a word as you. I've got my eye on you. And don't the rest of you take that as licence to go on the attack. It's not.
You bottom queens who need poppers to take a big'un should take a lesson from me. WTF? Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.
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Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.
Everyone knows Brits have needle dicks. Graduate to Dominicans and get back to me, ya hear?
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Everyone knows Brits have needle dicks. Graduate to Dominicans and get back to me, ya hear?
That is really unfair to the Brythons ;). Pencil dicks perhaps, the needle comparison is kinda harsh.
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Poor Harry. (http://tool.shagnasty.net/wiki/images/a/a1/Daniel_Radcliffe_Frontal_Nude_Equus_Picture.jpg) (NSFW) :(
MtD
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Poor Harry. (http://tool.shagnasty.net/wiki/images/a/a1/Daniel_Radcliffe_Frontal_Nude_Equus_Picture.jpg) (NSFW) :(
MtD
Maybe he's a grower...
Did you and Le P. know about Kate Moss' supposed love for poppers (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1093869/Whats-party-girl-Kate-Moss-popped-for.html)? The drug has gained legitimacy.
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/article-1093869-02C54E65000005DC-16.jpg)
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omg... how on topic
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Clear as mud. As I said to you elsewhere, it's difficult to take someone seriously who can't even be bothered to write out as simple a word as you. I've got my eye on you. And don't the rest of you take that as licence to go on the attack. It's not.
You bottom queens who need poppers to take a big'un should take a lesson from me. WTF? Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.
enjoy the viewing then...my posting style won't change. dunno how long u've 'had ur eye on me', but it would be par for the course here to have my ideas or input dismissed bcuz i don't kowtow to a small clique of message board 'veterans' or make liberal use of dem innernet spellings...in any thread where i'm not accosted by what appear to be pc-activist-stereotype simpletons, u'll find me being simply helpful.
i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.
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i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.
And first place in the category of visually unappealing mixed metaphor goes to ...
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And first place in the category of visually unappealing mixed metaphor goes to ...
what, in there i've got a grainery, an asskissing and a poker-game...what's the unappealing part? ;)
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enjoy the viewing then...my posting style won't change. dunno how long u've 'had ur eye on me', but it would be par for the course here to have my ideas or input dismissed bcuz i don't kowtow to a small clique of message board 'veterans' or make liberal use of dem innernet spellings...in any thread where i'm not accosted by what appear to be pc-activist-stereotype simpletons, u'll find me being simply helpful.
i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.
Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas. You didn't bother to take time to establish yourself into the group you just joined up and started making a complete ass of yourself on practically a minute by minute basis.
You think you are the authority on everything under the sun (HIV related or not) and you also have assumed that we are all the opposition. You don't know me and you don't know them. We all don't agree on everything but there are certain fundamentals of the epidemic that we do agree on. Stating your opinion as fact against these well established ideas is a quick way to find yourself fairly unwelcome if not by the moderator staff then by a generous portion of the people who participate in the forums.
You need a reality check but quick, you are so intolerable in a purely text format that even I am tempted to use the ignore button instead of just ignoring the tripe-filled posts that you make. For reference I don't have anyone on ignore. You might want to think about making an apology post to the members of this forum and starting over on a good foot, because right now I'm guessing that you're going to hell in a handbasket in the way of popular opinion.
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Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas.
I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.
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I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.
If you have a concern you would like to discuss it would be better that you start your own thread in the proper forum.
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If you have a concern you would like to discuss it would be better that you start your own thread in the proper forum.
Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.
One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.
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Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.
One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.
Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?
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Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?
Hopefully it's not the handful of "studies" where they gave a rat about 5000 times the amount that any human would actually use, or for days on end. Smoothstone used to try it out with those studies here until we pointed out that little detail to him. In fact, a lot of poppers "research" floating around the internet is directly attributable to Smoothstone's decades of careful study.
Also, I've never had a condom break in my life except once -- I looked at the idiot trying to put it on and looked at the expiration date on the wrapper and you can guess what was there.
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Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?
Just GOOGLE and you will find several studies - E. M. Dax, W. H. Adlei, J. E. Nagel and W. R. Lange
Addiction Research Center, National Institute on Drug Abuse, Baltimore, MD, 21224
Clinical Immunology Section, National Institute on Aging NIH, Baltimore, MD, 21224
Dr. William H. Adler, Clinical Immunology Section, Gerontology Research Center, 4940 Eastern Avenue, Baltimore, MD, 21224-2780
Effects on the human immune system of volatile nitrite inhalation were studied in 18 male volunteers in 1 case. While nitrite inhalation decreased the absolute number of CD3+ T lymphocytes during the period of inhalation, cell numbers returned to pre-treatment levels within one week after COMPLETE cessation of the drug. Nitrite inhalation did not alter the percentage of CD3+, CD4+, CD8+ or CD19+ lymphocytes permanently. Natural killer (NK) cell activity against K562 target cells was depressed by nitrite administration but returned to pre-inhalation or greater levels after 1 full week of nitrite discontinuation. Cell proliferation following cell activation by PHA, ConA and PWM was unaffected by amyl nitrite inhalation. We conclude that in humans inhalation of volatile nitrites causes cycles of modest immunosuppression, particularly in NK activity, followed by gradual recovery when the drug is not inhaled for several days. If used regularly, it keeps the immuno-system in a constant "state-of-repair".
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Also, I've never had a condom break in my life except once -- I looked at the idiot trying to put it on and looked at the expiration date on the wrapper and you can guess what was there.
Then you are QUITE lucky and most likely in the minority...... and, no offense, I would speculate your sex-life is probably a bit dull for my tastes. ;D j/k
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I would speculate your sex-life is probably a bit dull for my tastes. ;D j/k
I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull. So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.
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Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas. You didn't bother to take time to establish yourself into the group you just joined up and started making a complete ass of yourself on practically a minute by minute basis.
You think you are the authority on everything under the sun (HIV related or not) and you also have assumed that we are all the opposition. You don't know me and you don't know them. We all don't agree on everything but there are certain fundamentals of the epidemic that we do agree on. Stating your opinion as fact against these well established ideas is a quick way to find yourself fairly unwelcome if not by the moderator staff then by a generous portion of the people who participate in the forums.
You need a reality check but quick, you are so intolerable in a purely text format that even I am tempted to use the ignore button instead of just ignoring the tripe-filled posts that you make. For reference I don't have anyone on ignore. You might want to think about making an apology post to the members of this forum and starting over on a good foot, because right now I'm guessing that you're going to hell in a handbasket in the way of popular opinion.
u r lost if u think impressing u or ur clique is of importance to me, and for all the claims of inaccuracy coming urself and others, i have never been refuted here.
the mere proposition of apologizing to u or ur clique is just laughable.
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Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?
:D
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I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull. So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.
u mean most of ur clique, not most people. :)
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I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.
i appreciate the support. what i see is quite literally hundreds of hiv+ people, especially men, lving lives completely outside the orthodoxy here...i can't imagine any of them posting here, n i avoided these forums for years a politically correct waste of my time.
however, people with real concerns outside of this message board ecosystem show up here, and i know many of them can be helped by my perspective. i've also found a few guys here (like inchlingblue) or r both open minded n know what they're talking about, n have no need to flame.
the flames themselves could be more entertaining if they were half-way competent...but it's flame Romper Room in here.
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u mean most of ur clique, not most people. :)
If you say so.
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I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull. So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.
Quite the opposite - I'm happy for you!
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i appreciate the support. what i see is quite literally hundreds of hiv+ people, especially men, lving lives completely outside the orthodoxy here...i can't imagine any of them posting here, n i avoided these forums for years a politically correct waste of my time.
Jeton - all people are doing is asking you for the references for the things you cite.
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Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.
One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.
Forgive me for the added hijack, but I think your comments deserve a response. I've been with this forum for eight years and the caliber of people here is second to none. That said, there are forum guidelines that require that statements, that are presented as fact, must be substantiated by peer-reviewed studies and referencing those studies is required. When a poster attempts to state facts, like 1 in 5 condoms break, or inhalants have been shown to suppress the immune system, you need to provide the proof of those facts. Otherwise, what happens, is the overall message of these forums, such as condoms do protect you from HIV infection, become diluted and people become confused.
Please don't confuse members bristling at the mis-statement of facts, with an attack by any group of members. We insist that, when you state something as fact, you have the resources to support your position. Also, a little advice, don't plant passive-aggressive comments in your posts, it only makes you look small and mean spirited.
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Jeton - all people are doing is asking you for the references for the things you cite.
i wish that were true, but the reality is i've got a pack of toothless wolves both circling around n crying to mods.
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Forgive me for the added hijack, but I think your comments deserve a response. I've been with this forum for eight years and the caliber of people here is second to none. That said, there are forum guidelines that require that statements, that are presented as fact, must be substantiated by peer-reviewed studies and referencing those studies is required. When a poster attempts to state facts, like 1 in 5 condoms break, or inhalants have been shown to suppress the immune system, you need to provide the proof of those facts. Otherwise, what happens, is the overall message of these forums, such as condoms do protect you from HIV infection, become diluted and people become confused.
Please don't confuse members bristling at the mis-statement of facts, with an attack by any group of members. We insist that, when you state something as fact, you have the resources to support your position. Also, a little advice, don't plant passive-aggressive comments in your posts, it only makes you look small and mean spirited.
::) be nice if u could take ur own advice about passive-aggressive comments...on the issue of condom breakage, i have stated a 1 in 5 breakage ratio as my own experience, n that of many of men of my acquaintance. i have never seen condoms sustain the vaunted "98% effective" ratio, let alone the even more extreme claims made for condoms by many posters here. these claims r contradictions of my own life experience, so i dismiss them as propaganda.
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::) be nice if u could take ur own advice about passive-aggressive comments...on the issue of condom breakage, i have stated a 1 in 5 breakage ratio as my own experience, n that of many of men of my acquaintance. i have never seen condoms sustain the vaunted "98% effective" ratio, let alone the even more extreme claims made for condoms by many posters here. these claims r contradictions of my own life experience, so i dismiss them as propaganda.
Excuse me, but my response was directed at Blackwingbear, as I could not care less what any of your personal experiences are.
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. . . and as has been pointed out to Jeton in other threads, his personal experiences prove exactly five-eighths of fuck all.
MtD
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. . . and as has been pointed out to Jeton in other threads, his personal experiences prove exactly five-eighths of fuck all.
MtD
that mods continue to allow u to post such drivel while chastising me tells me all i need to know about leadership and enforcement here.
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You know absolutely nothing about the wonderful people that manage this forum, so please keep your insults to yourself.
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what happens, is the overall message of these forums, such as condoms do protect you from HIV infection, become diluted and people become confused.
Please don't confuse members bristling at the mis-statement of facts, with an attack by any group of members. We insist that, when you state something as fact, you have the resources to support your position. Also, a little advice, don't plant passive-aggressive comments in your posts, it only makes you look small and mean spirited.
I wasn't trying to spread a "message", I was simply saying in my experience.
And I wasn't being passive-aggressive. Excuse my personality.
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I wasn't trying to spread a "message", I was simply saying in my experience.
And I wasn't being passive-aggressive. Excuse my personality.
I'm sorry if I was unclear, but I was not attacking the expression of your own experiences, rather the statements, by some posters, that state things, not supported by scientific evidence. Everyone is welcome to state their opinions, but when they cross the line into stating scientific fact, then they need to provide the source. As to the passive-aggressive, it just seems that when you comment about ducking down to avoid slings and arrows, it comes across as that, but that is only my opinion.
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OK, this shit has turned into a HOT mess.
I imagine this will be locked soon. This is happening A LOT on here lately, but seems to be centered around the same group of people. I got caught up in some of this crap and was asked to stop by the Mods. I can't believe the rest of you haven't so maybe we should try to get back to being supportive of each other and not bother with the newest "annoying" member on the forum. They tend not to last anyway.
OK, off my soapbox. I must be in a really good mood tonight...hmmmm full moon perhaps?
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OK, off my soapbox. I must be in a really good mood tonight...hmmmm full moon perhaps?
Not anymore, Pete... you'll have to wait until the 29th at 10:25 p.m.
http://www.almanac.com/moon/calendar/NY/New%20York/2010-03
Maybe the good mood is thanks to some poppers?
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There seems to be something about this topic... It's a subject and a question which has come up many times in the past. And everytime it seems to end up with nasty exchanges happening. The minute I saw this as a new topic I thought, "uh-oh, here we go again."
I'm going to leave the topic open for the timebeing. But let's have no more sniping or bickering. If you have something you want to say, make sure it sticks to the subject without snarking at someone else or their comment.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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Nah, the strongest we have is morphine sulfate and that won't touch fentanyl.
My mother had a Fentanyl patch during Hospice care. It's a small piece of tape about 1 inch square and it lasts 3 days, but she still had some pain and was on liquid Morphine too.
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Poppers can't be good for your lungs. The strong Amyl Nitrates can due damage tot he frontal lobe of your brain.
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I mixed bleach and ammonia together today and found after the burning sensation dissipated I felt rather lightheaded, this must be similar I am sure.
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In the US they only sell Butyl Nitrates and I don't know if they are illegal to posses. I know that some companies sell then online and ship with USPS.
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In the US they only sell Butyl Nitrates and I don't know if they are illegal to posses. I know that some companies sell then online and ship with USPS.
Do you know if they'll use Fed-X or DHL?
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I mixed bleach and ammonia together today and found after the burning sensation dissipated I felt rather lightheaded, this must be similar I am sure.
Hmmpf. Dude, no.
The $10.65 that you would spend on a cheap brand such as Jungle Juice or Rush would be well worth it.
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... gotta love amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Jungle-Juice-Platinum-Liquid-Incense/dp/B002BCJXKI)
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I mixed bleach and ammonia together today and found after the burning sensation dissipated I felt rather lightheaded, this must be similar I am sure.
If you can shake that off then poppers probably won't affect you much. Might as well stick with sniffing glue.
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Excuse me, but my response was directed at Blackwingbear, as I could not care less what any of your personal experiences are.
This place is so catty, I doubt anything ever gets answered at all.
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I mixed bleach and ammonia together today and found after the burning sensation dissipated I felt rather lightheaded, this must be similar I am sure.
Yep, about the same...
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If you can shake that off then poppers probably won't affect you much. Might as well stick with sniffing glue.
Might be healthier.
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This place is so catty, I doubt anything ever gets answered at all.
And we thank you for your cattiness.
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And we thank you for your cattiness.
Most welcome, dearie.... *grin*
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Meow.
Prrrr.
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If you attach the bottle to your nostril with a rubber band and sniff it for five hours I'm sure it's not good for anyone HIV- or +, but if you use it infrequently it's dispersed easily in the body and is of no concern. Tell your friend he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Thanks. I just shot coffee through my nose and onto my computer screen. This isn't so much the problem -that would be the other ten people around me on this train wondering what the hell I'm up to making such a mess and giggling.
Do you know where you find such a large rubber band?
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Ultimate Poppers Rebreathing Combo
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ivb5ag.jpg)
Set consists of:
1 x Goldman Halothane vaporiser
1 x Magill anaesthetic breathing circuit in rubber and chromed brass
1 x 12 inch corrugated breathing hose
1 x one way breathing circuit connector
1 x black rubber anaesthetic mask harness four tail (not shown)
Fresh air enters the left hand side of the vaporiser via the one way valve and 12 inch hose.The wearer inhales; drawing air through the vaporiser and the circuit to the mask. As the wearer exhales, the one way valve at the left hand side of the vaporiser closes ensuring no air escapes back through the circuit, the 2 litre rebreathing bag fills with air and any excess air exits the circuit via the expiratory valve by the mask.
The vaporiser has a lever to graduate the amount of aroma being vaporised though the circuit. The rebreathing bag mount has a graduated on/off lever so the wearer can rebreathe or not as required.
Due to the vaporiser being sourced from different manufacturers, the actual vaporiser supplied may differ in design to that shown above.
Ultimate poppers rebreathing combo: £250 + P&P
Extras available to use with this combo:
Gas mask conversion kit: £52+ P&P
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Is that from the Conrad Murray line of Halothane vaporizers Miss P ?
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Christmas comes early!
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Can you imagine walking into a bath house with that huge contraption strapped on your face/body? It would he so fucking hilarious.
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this does prove one thing about poppers - they bring zombie threads back to life. ;D
Needless to say I'll be stocking up before the zombie apocalypse happens so I can revive people when they try to eat me. ;)
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I always think of a drag queen named Sunny Holiday when I see or hear poppers .
Mrs Holiday who's disposition was anything other than sunny never once was onstage without a popper bottle in hand . She had a prominent nose and if needed she would screw the bottle into a nostril so she could grab more tips . She had a scabby nose .
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I always think of a drag queen named Sunny Holiday when I see or hear poppers .
Mrs Holiday who's disposition was anything other than sunny never once was onstage without a popper bottle in hand . She had a prominent nose and if needed she would screw the bottle into a nostril so she could grab more tips . She had a scabby nose .
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Can you imagine walking into a bath house with that huge contraption strapped on your face/body? It would he so fucking hilarious.
After having worked at a bath house I can tell you it probably wouldn't be the weirdest thing to happen that day.
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this does prove one thing about poppers - they bring zombie threads back to life. ;D
Needless to say I'll be stocking up before the zombie apocalypse happens so I can revive people when they try to eat me. ;)
I didn't KNOW the thread was from 2010 - I have a lot of reading to catch up on! I have to say, though, I am learning a LOT........and if this contraption listed above isn't considered 'out of a normal days work' in a bathhouse then I have been living a sheltered life.....or our baths up in this neck of the woods are way too vanilla!
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I didn't KNOW the thread was from 2010 - I have a lot of reading to catch up on! I have to say, though, I am learning a LOT........and if this contraption listed above isn't considered 'out of a normal days work' in a bathhouse then I have been living a sheltered life.....or our baths up in this neck of the woods are way too vanilla!
Hey Dan,
You really need to get out more. One of our bathhouses would be perfect for that gear and they have enough slings and cages to make any dungeon master proud. Montreal also has a few fetish weekends and that popper gear would be considered "minor league" to what parades around our streets.
Joe
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Hey Dan,
You really need to get out more.
Yeah.....see....that's the problem. I know me. I'd be applying for citizenship within the week.