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Offline neveragain88

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Risk Assessment and advice required
« on: January 16, 2012, 08:20:39 am »
Hi,
First of all thanks to all of you guys for having such a wonderful website and providing free informational resources for stupid people like me who take risks for the sake of pleasure without considering the risks and consequences involved.
I have read some of the forums on this website and medhelp so i think i atleast know the basics. I will try to keep my post brief and ask my questions to the point about my exposures without going into excruciating details. I am a heterosexual and my exposure was with a 23 year old female arabic escort in London. There was no vaginal or anal intercourse with her.

1- First about the activities which i am a little less concerned. Me fingering/rubbing her genitals, her giving me a handjob, licking/kissing her nipples briefly and normal kissing briefly.

2- Her giving me oral/blowjob with a condom and i ejaculated in the condom with the condom intact throughout which i removed myself.

Kindly assess my risk for the above activities whether it is low or negligible and what tests should i go for?

3- The most i am concerned about is that when she was giving me protected oral she was in the reverse position (69) so her genitals (vagina and clitoris) touched my closed lips but i didnt lick her with my tongue neither did i open my mouth anytime for sucking or anything. Therefore i am sure nothing went into my mouth and i didnt taste anything. Possibly her vaginal fluids came in contact with my outer lips only. Now i am confused whether this will be classified as cunnilingus or not. Kindly tell me what cunnilingus really involves and if rubbing or kissing a vagina/clitoris with a closed mouth is also cunnilingus. Please tell me the risks involved too with it.

Thanks in advance

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 08:34:38 am »
Hi,
First of all thanks to all of you guys for having such a wonderful website and providing free informational resources for stupid people like me who take risks for the sake of pleasure without considering the risks and consequences involved.
I have read some of the forums on this website and medhelp so i think i atleast know the basics. I will try to keep my post brief and ask my questions to the point about my exposures without going into excruciating details. I am a heterosexual and my exposure was with a 23 year old female arabic escort in London. There was no vaginal or anal intercourse with her.

1- First about the activities which i am a little less concerned. Me fingering/rubbing her genitals, her giving me a handjob, licking/kissing her nipples briefly and normal kissing briefly.

2- Her giving me oral/blowjob with a condom and i ejaculated in the condom with the condom intact throughout which i removed myself.

Kindly assess my risk for the above activities whether it is low or negligible and what tests should i go for?

3- The most i am concerned about is that when she was giving me protected oral she was in the reverse position (69) so her genitals (vagina and clitoris) touched my closed lips but i didnt lick her with my tongue neither did i open my mouth anytime for sucking or anything. Therefore i am sure nothing went into my mouth and i didnt taste anything. Possibly her vaginal fluids came in contact with my outer lips only. Now i am confused whether this will be classified as cunnilingus or not. Kindly tell me what cunnilingus really involves and if rubbing or kissing a vagina/clitoris with a closed mouth is also cunnilingus. Please tell me the risks involved too with it.

Thanks in advance
HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug abusers
Mother to child

As you can see at no time were you at risk of contracting HIV.

Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 08:37:17 am »
You are worrying needlessly about this recent incident. Risk for HIV is not about whom you are with in terms of being a sex worker or a civilian nor the race of the person. It's about what you do. And nothing you did put you at risk.

As Rod has said, sexually the only risks for HIV are unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. Use condoms for those activities and you will be well protected.

There is no need for testing this time.
Andy Velez

Offline neveragain88

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 08:45:35 am »
Thanks Andy and Rapid Rod for a quick reply. I just want a little more explanation about my last point because this is what i am basically concerned about and i cant find precise information what is actually cunnilingus.Kindly tell me whether this will classify as cunnilingus or not as it was only closed mouth. It will help me a great deal.

when she was giving me protected oral she was in the reverse position (69) so her genitals (vagina and clitoris) touched my closed lips but i didnt lick her with my tongue neither did i open my mouth anytime for sucking or anything. Therefore i am sure nothing went into my mouth and i didnt taste anything. Possibly her vaginal fluids came in contact with my outer lips only. Now i am confused whether this will be classified as cunnilingus or not. Kindly tell me what cunnilingus really involves and if rubbing or kissing the outside of vagina/clitoris with a closed mouth is also cunnilingus.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 08:47:29 am »
Thanks Andy and Rapid Rod for a quick reply. I just want a little more explanation about my last point because this is what i am basically concerned about and i cant find precise information what is actually cunnilingus.Kindly tell me whether this will classify as cunnilingus or not as it was only closed mouth. It will help me a great deal.

when she was giving me protected oral she was in the reverse position (69) so her genitals (vagina and clitoris) touched my closed lips but i didnt lick her with my tongue neither did i open my mouth anytime for sucking or anything. Therefore i am sure nothing went into my mouth and i didnt taste anything. Possibly her vaginal fluids came in contact with my outer lips only. Now i am confused whether this will be classified as cunnilingus or not. Kindly tell me what cunnilingus really involves and if rubbing or kissing the outside of vagina/clitoris with a closed mouth is also cunnilingus.
You were advised already how HIV is transmitted. You did not have a risk.

Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 08:52:57 am »
No, that would not qualify as cunnilingus. However, if you had performed cunnilingus on her, your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV.

You are worrying needlessly. Let it go and get on with your life.
Andy Velez

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 04:05:20 pm »
Cunnilingus has never been documented as transmitting HIV. This is over thirty years' worth of research.

The fluids a woman produces during arousal are not infectious. Infectious fluids are found in the thick mucousal cervical fluid deep within the vagina.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline Ann

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Re: Risk Assessment and advice required
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 04:14:36 am »
Never,

To expand on what JK said, hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies** started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

**There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY OVER CUNNILINGUS, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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