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Off Topic Forums => Off Topic Forum => Topic started by: milker on April 01, 2007, 10:28:44 pm
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I've put this on Off-Topic on purpose, although I thought about posting this in Living with HIV, but this post may degenerate.. So anyway.. I did a search on my favorite website for HIV+ people.
Here is the result in my city, San Diego.
5 asians
34 blacks
80 latinos
0 middle eastern
71 "mix"
3 pacific islander
>300 white
I am actually extremely surprised. So I look in Los Angeles:
Asian: 11
Black: 111
Latino: 160
Middle Eastern: 8
Mix: 81
White: > 300
Which is consistent with what I saw in my city. So is HIV a white disease? NOT. I cannot believe that there is such a difference between white and non-white. This is actually scaring me, because unless I have proof that Asians Americans, Black Americans, and Latino Americans have developed a magic way to avoid HIV, then it's all about culture.
This tells me a lot about how different cultures deal with HIV and it's not pretty.
Milker.
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I did a search on my favorite website for HIV+ people.
What? You mean AIDSmeds isn't your favorite website?? ;D
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maybe the others dont have internet access or dont post profiles lol
or it could be that all the other groups in their own way are considered"minorities" so i guess thats why there would be less of them....
are there that many asians compared to white people in sandiego? (ive never been so i dont know)...i guess ill go visit you just so i can see how many there are ;)
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I think there are more white people online. Definitely. Glad to see your doing other kinds of poles besides girthy ones.
rob
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Well I have to say that I did a search in San Diego and Los Angeles. San Diego has a huge mexican population and Los Angeles has a huge Black, Asian and Latino population, that's why I'm so surprised.
Milker.
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I'm not clear about exactly what point we're arguing here. That more white people have HIV? That more white people are on line? Can you clarify this for me before I start to slap you around?
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Well you can slap me, but when I looked for all of those different races without specifying HIV I had results over 300.
So then I looked for HIV+. And those were the results.
Milker.
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how did you find that out?
are there that many asians compared to white people in sandiego? (ive never been so i dont know)...i guess ill go visit you just so i can see how many there are ;)
what does this mean? i need to know what youa re saying here puertoricoboi
You know,,, there are still WAY many more white people in California compared to non whites except for LAtinos although, a lot of Latinos could pass for white.
well, this is my theory,,, since hiv/aids really started with white people mostly at least in America, and since most of people tend to stick to their own race when it comes to sexual preferences, hiv/aids stayed mostly within white gay community and slowly progressed to difference community? who knows....
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how did you find that out?
what does this mean? i need to know what youa re saying here puertoricoboi
just trying to find any excuse to go visit milker.... a "research" project lol
well, this is my theory,,, since hiv/aids really started with white people mostly at least in America, and since most of people tend to stick to their own race when it comes to sexual preferences, hiv/aids stayed mostly within white gay community and slowly progressed to difference community? who knows....
lol i dont judge based on race lol...its all good to me...im an international lover ;-) lol.....
-josh
(who is extremely bored and hasnt done ANYTHING all day but chat online)
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Statistics is an odd bird. My suggestion for you, milker, is to take those head counts then compute them against respective population of each race within your city, then, figure the percentages. The numbers will magically change to reflect................what?
Those numbers do appear to be a misrepresentation.
Philly, leave no marks, please.
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Unless I miss my guess, you're extrapolating data from a website (i.e. how many people from various races are HIV+) and making various sociological conclusions from it.
You can't do that.
It's bad statistics and bad science.
I've made this point before, and I'll make it again. Access to the teh Internets is generally restricted by income. Who makes more money, as a racial group, than any other in this country? White people.
All results you get on the Internet are going to be skewed for that reason.
HIV/AIDS is a disease of poverty.
Let's review some facts.
1. People with more money tend to be better educated.
2. Highly educated people tend to surround themselves with a peer group of highly educated people.
3. Highly educated people, by virtue of their education, will have more knowledge about HIV/AIDS and are thus less likely to stigmatize.
4. Education costs money.
5. The racial group with the most money in this country is teh honkies.
6. White people generally complete higher levels of education than other racial groups because of the fact that they have money and access to it.
7. More education equals more money.
8. More money equals better access to health care.
I'm afraid I need to make some inferences here based on the above facts.
Namely, that white people probably would be the group, as a whole, to get tested more often for the simple reason that better access to health care means that there is one less roadblock to getting tested for them.
Not to put anybody down or anything... but I think that an average single black female (Have you noticed that we hardly have any female African-Americans here? Has anyone asked themselves why? No? That's what I thought) is making considerably less than your average white male and is going to have a much harder time getting the care for HIV that she needs, and she knows it. Thus, people with less money (and those people, statistically, tend to be African-American and Hispanic) are less likely to get tested... and if they do, they're less likely to talk about it. Stigma lessens with education.
If anything, the results you mentioned say more about classism, institutionalized racism, the inherent racial disparity of Internet access, and white privilege in this country than with how a given race's culture handles HIV/AIDS.
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If anything, the results you mentioned say more about classism, institutionalized racism, the inherent racial disparity of Internet access, and white privilege in this country than with how a given race's culture handles HIV/AIDS.
I totally agree. When I asked if HIV was a white disease it was sarcastic. I was still surprised by the "asians" numbers.
Milker (who loves asians and wants more of them online).
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Milker (who loves asians and wants more of them online).
Benj made all of my relevent points, so I'll just add that Japanese men are my new fetish. Bring me that Kyoto weightlifter! Pronto!
Brent
(Who can be a man of extremes)
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Puerto Rico has put his finger right on a major issue about this. There is a widespread and what I'd say is a mistaken assumption these days that "everyone" is using a computer. As common as computer use seems to be these days, there are many for whom it is an unaffordable luxury.
In ACT UP we've been talking about ways to do outreach that is NOT computer-related. For instance, specifically we definitely need to find more effective ways of reaching out to the Latino and black communities, both adults and teenagers.
And by the way, suggestions about how to do that would be welcomed.
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I'm quite happy to know that ACT UP realizes this... not making assumptions on people's ability to access the Internet. Breaking the paradigm of the assumption of privilege.
Here in Richmond, the only place I really see HIV awareness ads are on the buses... because it's how people with low incomes are more likely to get around.
I've been to New York countless times and know that this is done there, too.
Everyone might not have a computer, but nearly everyone has a television and radio. I've also seen those sort of "mobile billboard" vehicles... you can rent them and put your own ad on them, and they're put on a truck and driven around a city.
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The biggest problem with the statistics is the assumption the numbers are representative of the general population which is clearly not the case. Good statistical studies require some level of correlation to the overall population you're trying to study so it is virtually impossible to do this with an ad-hoc query based upon a visit to a website.
The CDC has fairly decent and validated studies showing who's affected by the disease in the US and elsewhere. I would start there and then determine where the gaps in your data are.
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I've always kind of wondered why it seems HIV related billboards and things seem to be specific to cities. There are obviously a high percentage of people at risk there but surely the kids hanging around suburbia (at least MY suburbia) aren't any more educated about it.
And I'm saying this while speaking from experience, because up until a few months ago before I started being homeschooled, I went to a public high school with over 3000+ kids in it from ages 13 to 18 and also speaking with the experence of someone with HIV while in highschool I can tell you very few of those 3000+ kids knew jack shit about it.
My area, while not a metropolis, is a rather busy area filled with highways and large business districts - not just residential sections even though we have a lot of those as well. Regardless of the fact that people think that anywhere in Pennsylvania besides Philly and Pittsburgh is bumfuck. This is with the heaviest amount of sarcasm in my voice, but I wonder if that means that people around here might have HIV, too.
I seriously have never seen ONE advertisement or anything in a public place suggesting one get tested for HIV.
If you think about the fact that just ONE school district in my area has 3000+ plus kids it kind of makes you wonder about the population of the entire valley in which I live. Eek.
I'm a little annoyed about it, tbh. It seems that everyone is concentrating solely on groups that are 'at risk' and forgetting the rest of the population, which in my opinion will probably result in a new group that's 'at risk' eventually. And trust me, there isn't any shortage of horny teenagers around here.
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United States statistics by race and ethnicity :
http://www.avert.org/usastatr.htm
Ray
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United States statistics by race and ethnicity :
http://www.avert.org/usastatr.htm
Ray
Those stats confirm my trouble about the number of asians that are HIV+. The numbers look ridiculously low?
Milker.
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If you live in USA the world is white. What small progress made for other races after civil rights efforts has stopped many years now in backwards attack. President Bush works for the American dollar and most payers pay to keep USA white. This effect will be until world equalization of all countries with USA in middle twenty-first century.
Klaatu
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This effect will be until world equalization of all countries with USA in middle twenty-first century.
Has the date been set?
MtD
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I'm not sure I see that happening that quickly. It's like saying the GDP of Mississippi will at some point catch up to the GDP of New York City.
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If you live in USA the world is white.
Not in my city, thank God.
57% of Richmond's population is African-American.
Cracker, go home.
This effect will be until world equalization of all countries with USA in middle twenty-first century.
What does that mean, exactly?
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Yeah really. It's about 51% here in Philadelphia. And in NYC it's split evenly among Blacks, Latinos and the Crackers.
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Yeah really. It's about 51% here in Philadelphia. And in NYC it's split evenly among Blacks, Latinos and the Crackers.
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Texas, California, and New Mexico are all majority-minority states too... in that no one racial group has more than 50% of the population.
I love it when people don't know what they're talking about.
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Yeah really. It's about 51% here in Philadelphia. And in NYC it's split evenly among Blacks, Latinos and the Crackers.
What's a cracker?
Milker.
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What's a cracker?
Pale, dry bland things that come in tacky boxes.
MtD
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What's a cracker?
Pale, dry bland things that come in tacky boxes.
MtD
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/freestyleliving/Albino.jpg)
Does he qualify as a cracker?
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Not in my city, thank God.
57% of Richmond's population is African-American.
Cracker, go home.
What does that mean, exactly?
Step off whitey, Memphis is 61.41% black thanks to the yellow fever epidemic in the 1800's. Them chicken-shit Irish and Germans couldn't hang...it is hard out here for a pimp.
As for what that means...it means you suckers are being Borated. ;)
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What's a cracker?
Pale, dry bland things that come in tacky boxes.
MtD
But we also call him Jack.
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What's a cracker?
Pale, dry bland things that come in tacky boxes.
MtD
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well call them DUDES here in socal. But they're tanned, surf during the day and work at the car wash evenings and week-ends.
Milker.
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Interestingly 'Klaatu' is the main character from a sci-fi flick called "The Day the Earth Stood Still". Ringo Starr was in it, if memory serves. Most notable for the made up language spoken by the critters from outer-space.
MtD
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Interestingly 'Klaatu' is the main character from a sci-fi flick called "The Day the Earth Stood Still". Ringo Starr was in it, if memory serves. Most notable for the made up language spoken by the critters from outer-space.
MtD
Give that man a cigar...I don't think Ringo was in the film but Klaatu is the main character...Klaatu barada nikto, Klaatu barada nikto.
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Quite right dearest. Michael Rennie played Klaatu.
MtD
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Many thankings! This was my name choice of parents. Guess how my brother is named? Clue:
(http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2006/gort_550x367.jpg)
Very much love!
Yous others -- the USA is a white country in the minds o other countries sharing space here, and a mighty damned belligerent country of later years. Hey, USA, suck my Italy!! Haha!
Klaatu
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Many thankings! This was my name choice of parents. Guess how my brother is named? Clue:
(http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2006/gort_550x367.jpg)
Very much love!
Yous others -- the USA is a white country in the minds o other countries sharing space here, and a mighty damned belligerent country of later years. Hey, USA, suck my Italy!! Haha!
Klaatu
Say hello to your brother Gort.
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only on aidsmeddotcom forum could a post about statistic become hilarious. no wonder i'm addicted to this space in internet land.
:) ,
Mike
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Say hello to your brother Gort.
Yes, my friend! Gort and I make many big jokings about such names. We must in consideration of continued living under our parentals.
My sister is name Patricia Oneal Hazmarkyatvian until she married. Now her name is Death by slipping beneath her caste. My parentals have burned her likenesses in temple many times. Her patshiake was buried during a Ceremony for the Lugubrious Ones performed by High Priest Saga Lu.
Many welcomings to you, also comrade!
Klaatu
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only on aidsmeddotcom forum could a post about statistic become hilarious. no wonder i'm addicted to this space in internet land.
:) ,
Mike
I was gonna say!! Going from statistics of hiv+ people on the internet to Klaatu and Gort aliens from outerspace in one day, only on aidsmeds!
Milker.
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Klaatu barada nikto
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Hi-
This is an interesting topic and as a black women I felt like adding my two cents. I know one issues besides economics. Minorities are not supposed to talk about their problems- its private, in the home and no one should know. Compare this to seeing a psychiatrist- ( i know cost is a factor in this too) but this has long been thought of as something white people do. We on the other hand are supposed to suffer silently. I don't think that its necessarily economics so much as its fear that this is just another way to be exposed. I feel like when we deal with things like this we just place in the back of our head and move on-different cultures and I think you would find similarities in the Asian community def. and possible the hispanic , middle eastern, native american etc. I don't think its healthy but that's my community.
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Hi-
This is an interesting topic and as a black women I felt like adding my two cents. I know one issues besides economics. Minorities are not supposed to talk about their problems- its private, in the home and no one should know. Compare this to seeing a psychiatrist- ( i know cost is a factor in this too) but this has long been thought of as something white people do. We on the other hand are supposed to suffer silently. I don't think that its necessarily economics so much as its fear that this is just another way to be exposed. I feel like when we deal with things like this we just place in the back of our head and move on-different cultures and I think you would find similarities in the Asian community def. and possible the hispanic , middle eastern, native american etc. I don't think its healthy but that's my community.
Hi friendlyfolk, I think you are spot on, and Asian culture is even more difficult on that point. Andy was wondering how to reach those communities, and how to break the silence, your wisdom and experience is very welcome !
Milker.
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Welcome and I think you are spot-on... and don't let our silliness fool you. We care deeply about this topic and your input is very welcomed.
Hal
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Welcome, friendlyfolk!
I think that silence on a variety of topics in these communities exists for a reason... or reasons plural.
One generally doesn't find a social more that doesn't serve some purpose.
What I'm saying is... nothing happens in a vaccum.
If the African-American community is, as a group, more reticent than whites to discuss mental and physical health problems... I think it might be beneficial to figure out why rather than just immediately try to change the behavior.
To do otherwise would strike me as rather paternalistic.
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wait,,, i am bit confused,,, Milker, you are saying that its strange how little asian population is hiv poz compared to how many asians there are in San Diego? Is that what you are saying? if so, asians don't have that large population that you are talking about. sure there are lots of viets close to where you live and up here in mira mesa, there are tons of Filips and Viets and Chinese, but thats about it, I think asians only make up about 5% of population in San Diego, although at UCSD and SDSU, its about 60 %.
as wrong as statistics can be, I still stand by my opinion that most people tend to stick to their own race when it comes to sex, and since hiv/aids was at first predominantly spread by mostly white gay population in big cities, hiv/aids stayed among that population for a long time.
and those minority people who have sex with other races like I do, look what happened :) became a poz fella.
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what i'm saying is that i've had lots (and i mean lots) of unprotected sex with asians, either top or bottom, in california, in san diego and in the bay area. I've had less unprotected sex with black and white people compared to asian dudes in the last 3 years. So when I see numbers that show only 1% of asians people being poz it makes me wonder. Maybe it's true, but I think it's not.
Milker.
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hmmm,,, i don't know,,, my b/f who is white, we used to have tons of cum dripping sloppy unprotected sex, and he is still neg.
hmm,, maybe it was you who made those asians to be poz... j/k
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Here some more stats from New York City. PDF format ; ( see if I can get this to work )
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/dires/dires-2005-report-semi2.pdf
Ray
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I have wondered where the heterosexual black men are on this forum.
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I have wondered where the heterosexual black men are on this forum.
Honestly I don't think any straight men of color would be very comfortable on this forum.