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Off Topic Forums => Forums Gatherings => Topic started by: Dennis on August 22, 2009, 08:21:18 am
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I have recently been accused of rigging the destination votes for AMG each year by an employee of this very website. In particular, I have been accused of rigging the votes as to prevent a European AMG. To avoid any further tarnishment to AMG, I am choosing to step down from the role as Coordinator.
I would like to nominate ANN, our very own moderator, as your next AMG 2010 Coordinator. With the passion she has shown towards the creation of a European AMG, I have no doubt she has the drive to bring this to fruition and bring AMG to the next level; wherever AMG may be held.
Dennis
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Just give it some time to think over, once things are more calm.
Just for the record, I don't think anyone has rigged anything. I think the location simply reflects the wishes of the attendees. And this is from someone who has wanted AMG to come to Europe. I only wish people would keep an open mind about it. But I recognise that it just may not be doable and we shouldn't blame anyone. It's just the way things are.
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Oh for heaven's sake, Dennis, GROW UP!
In that other thread, you said:
go ahead and blame me that there won't be a European AMG.
I replied with:
Dennis, the only problem I have with you in connection with the AMG is that you have already decided that there won't be a European AMG, despite the fact that it's not yet been voted on. ::) Rigged ballot or what?
Anyone with half a brain could see the rigged ballot comment was pure facetiousness as it would be impossible to rig a public vote.
The fact remains that you're already assuming the AMG won't be held in Europe, despite the presence of THREE European cities on the current list of possibles. The voting hasn't even taken place yet!
I lost all interest in the AMG when you accused me of trying to start a battle simply because I made a suggestion. Rather than saying you didn't think the suggestion was a good idea, that it would be better to go straight to the city vote, you decided to try and dredge up a previous fight. That dredging was YOUR doing, not mine.
Ann
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No Ann, you have assumed there won't be a European AMG. To quote yourself, "anyone with half a brain" and the comprehension skills will see I've tried on numerous occassions in the past couple of years to rally behind a European AMG.
If "anyone with half a brain" can see you can't rig a public vote then there really was no need for your fecetious comments, was there?
Insult me again, Ann. I suggest you follow the very own terms and conditions you moderate here.
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Jebus
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Thank you , Dennis, for the fantastic work you've done on 3 out of 5 AMGs. Your tireless efforts have helped make some special memories for a lot of people!
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I second Creighton's thoughts. Dennis, I think you've done an outstanding job that will be challenging for anyone to meet regardless of where it is. I know I've missed a lot of what's going on here, but the best answer I've seen is two gatherings on two continents and I would consider going to both anyway.
Curtis
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Dennis,
I want to thank you, also, for your incredible efforts. Boston was a smashing success for those that attended because of all the work you put into it. While I hope you will reconsider your position here -- I can completely understand why you wish to step down.
It is amazing to me that amount of drama that goes on about the AMG on these boards every year (yet the events themselves are so incredibly uplifting and energizing). It seems to me that there are far too many people who stick their noses in here to simply stir the pot. It's one thing to offer opinions and suggestions if you harbor some possibility of attending, but it seems that some have absolutely NO PLAN to attend yet still come in here to piss and moan.
The two biggest complaints are that we aren't holding them in Europe and the US HIV ban makes it difficult/dangerous for others to attend -- let's look at these.
Europe -- if the vote picks a European city, then that's where it will be held. If it doesn't and the cost is too much for our European members to attend, then they CAN organize their own. So far as I can tell, no European city has ever won out and NO ONE HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN ORGANIZING ONE THERE.
US Ban -- Only 2 of the 5 have been held in the US -- how many non-Americans attended the 3 outside the US vs. the 2 inside? I don't have exact numbers, but I believe the differences were negligible. I'm fairly certain that everyone wants the ban gone, but it seems to be a red herring, as far as attendance goes.
So let's try to be Constructive instead of Destructive here -- if you have an idea, share it. If you have a complaint -- state it along with a suggested remedy.
Finally, I have to say -- Ann, I have the utmost respect for the work you do in these rooms, but the AMG seems to bring out a different side of you. Instead of the supportive and thoughtful person you usually are, I see more of a petty, unhelpful side. If you truly are no longer interested in AMG, than stay out of it -- outside of your moderator duties. As a moderator you should know that facetious comments in a typically heated topic are dangerous and potentially explosive. You may not have had the intent, but that "facetious" comment may well cost the AMG a tireless member who has the knowledge and experience to insure success of the AMGs. It is truly a sad day.
Mike
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Finally, I have to say -- Ann, I have the utmost respect for the work you do in these rooms, but the AMG seems to bring out a different side of you. Instead of the supportive and thoughtful person you usually are, I see more of a petty, unhelpful side. If you truly are no longer interested in AMG, than stay out of it -- outside of your moderator duties. As a moderator you should know that facetious comments in a typically heated topic are dangerous and potentially explosive. You may not have had the intent, but that "facetious" comment may well cost the AMG a tireless member who has the knowledge and experience to insure success of the AMGs. It is truly a sad day.
Mike, I HAVE stayed out of it, ever since I made the mistake (sin?) of making a well-meaning suggestion and was accused by Dennis of trying to start a battle. I promise you that was NOT my intention. It was JUST A SUGGESTION. He could have just said no, let's just vote for the city and I would have said, ok, no problem.
DENNIS is the one who brought the subject of AMG and me back up in his Asshole Magnet thread. NOT ME.
And I promise you, I will not have another thing to say on the matter, unless someone else decideds to try to haul me over the coals on this. You guys have fun at your AMGs, but count on counting me out. OK? And that also means leaving me out of the discussions.
Ann
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Finally, I have to say -- Ann, I have the utmost respect for the work you do in these rooms, but the AMG seems to bring out a different side of you. Instead of the supportive and thoughtful person you usually are, I see more of a petty, unhelpful side. If you truly are no longer interested in AMG, than stay out of it -- outside of your moderator duties. As a moderator you should know that facetious comments in a typically heated topic are dangerous and potentially explosive. You may not have had the intent, but that "facetious" comment may well cost the AMG a tireless member who has the knowledge and experience to insure success of the AMGs. It is truly a sad day.
Mike
You do realize that this entire thread is a personal attack, don't you? If we're going to dole out blame here let's do it in an equitable and fair manner, bocker.
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Dennis,
If you want to resign as Coordinator fine and you have every right to do so. What you have no right to is to attack another member of this forum, especially when it is you who started this pissing match in the first place. Please don't use the AMG forum as your private battleground. If you have an issue with someone here, take it to PMs like the rest of us do.
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Joe,
Again, with all due respect, the pissing match was not started by me. You're confusing the two threads. Reread the other thread closely. I'm sure you will see it was our moderator who allowed her feelings about me personally to get in the way of actually moderating and prompting her to prematurely play the blame game, threaten (not warn) me with her powers as a moderator, and flame the discussion with her facetious accusations, along with numerous insults.
My original post above is nothing new and was discussed, including my choice of nominee, with several longstanding members of AMG in Boston. Who better to bring the idea of an AMG in Europe to fruition than the most outspoken proponent for a European AMG. It was only the nominee's self admitted facetious accusation that moved it along a bit sooner than anticipated. Keep in mind, my vote was for London.
As with any nomination, you are free to either second my nomination or present a nomination of your own. Of course, the nominee is always free to decline.
Dennis,
If you want to resign as Coordinator fine and you have every right to do so. What you have no right to is to attack another member of this forum, especially when it is you who started this pissing match in the first place. Please don't use the AMG forum as your private battleground. If you have an issue with someone here, take it to PMs like the rest of us do.
edited typo incase the grammar and spelling police appear.
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Maybe it's a good idea. it seams as though (from what you have previously posted about work and school) your plate is full.
one door closes and another opens as they say
It seams like a stressful but rewarding job. but if it is causing you too much stress....walk away..move on to something else.
Maybe it's time
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As with any nomination, you are free to either second my nomination or present a nomination of your own. Of course, the nominee is always free to decline.
I nominate Dennis.
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AMG 2010 Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=27763.100)(Posted by AMG Coordinator yesterday, Friday, Aug. 21.)
"Let's keep this going a bit longer. Below are the destination other's have mentioned thus far; in no particular order. Please feel free to place your submission for one of the destinations below, or another of your choosing.
When interest in this thread subsides, I'll place the top three destinations into a vote to decide the location of AMG 2010.
Amsterdamn
Chicago
Cleveland
Dallas
Helsinki
Las Vegas
London
New Orleans
Orlando
Philadelphia
Seattle
Washington D.C."
As Dennis himself said, the list is in no particular order. I see see 3 European Cities and one of them even tops the list. It certainly doesn't look like any rigging of the votes to me.
Dennis has been the AMG guy par excellance. The fun and camaraderie as well as the somber candlelight ceremonies are, in a large part, due to all the details and behind and scenes maneuvering that most of us are never privy to. It's not easy putting these things together and although it's quite obvious to those of us who attend, let me just make it very clear to everyone else who might read these AMG posts, that Dennis is the one who deserves the credit and accolades.
robert
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My vote:
1. Chicago
2. Seattle
3. London
Other great locations for me would be Helsinki, New Orleans, and D.C.
Not 100% sure I will attend in '10 due to work and school schedule but if I could any of the cities above would be appealing to me.
S.
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I nominate Dennis!!! Not only has he served a coordinator of the past three AMGs but he has negotiated the hotel contracts for all five AMGs.
If Ann assumes the role as the new coordinator of AMG, AMG Boston 2009 is destined to be the last AMG any of us will have enjoyed.
Furthermore, if her vitriolic attitude with regards to AMG continues, I request that the owner of this site remove her as a moderator. She is not capable of keeping an open mind.
Respectfully, Ric
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Ok everyone this has gone far enough...if Dennis wants to step down then he is entitled to without all this fuss.
Dennis told me in Boston that he wasn't going to be doing anymore AMG's..he has done a good job for the last 3 years so it's time for him to take a break from it all..it's as simple as that so accept it.
As for blaming Ann for his decision to step down..well that's just not right and it certainly isn't fair, the decision was made way before Ann entered the discussion,...as for all the name calling and insults I don't think I need to remind you all that it is not tolerated here in the forums.
I think the only thing I can do at this stage is to lock this thread, it isn't going anywhere and will only end up with a lot of peole being hurt and saying things they may regret later.
If you want to put up a thread to nominate a coordinator for next year please do so in a new topic.
Thank you
Jan