secretagogue-one

[TicTicBang]

has anyone ever used this?  what are your thoughts about the product?

http://www.powersupplements.com/hgh.htm

[BT65]

Frankly TicTic, I would want to see some hard scientific facts and studies with proven success before I went out and bought this.

[TicTicBang]

yeah, thats kind of why i made this thread, yanno.
The place I buy my vitamins and supplements from,
which isn't some chain store and the owner trains people professionally for special events,
said that people swear by it and its one of the best products out there.
No pressure to buy it. Thought Id do some checking of my own before I tried it.

[Dachshund]

yeah, thats kind of why i made this thread, yanno.
The place I buy my vitamins and supplements from,
which isn't some chain store and the owner trains people professionally for special events,
said that people swear by it and its one of the best products out there.
No pressure to buy it. Thought Id do some checking of my own before I tried it.

Hey Tic, I noticed you haven't introduced yourself. Are you HIV positive?

[Merlin]

Bought and tried the stuff some 6-8 years ago b4 I was positve. Can't say I felt any different. And it ain't cheap. Give it a miss and save for more natural foods.

[TicTicBang]

i found this slightly interesting

 
February 25, 2008

Growth Hormone Boosts Thymus T-Cell Production

Recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH), manufactured as Serostim by Serono Laboratories and approved for the treatment of AIDS-related wasting syndrome, may also prove to be useful as an immune-based therapy in people living with HIV. The drug, researchers reported in the March issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, restores the ability of the thymus gland to produce new CD4 cells.

CD4 cells are a type of immune system cell called a T-lymphocyte. They are made in the bone marrow and then travel to the thymus to mature, hence the T in their name. The thymus trains the T-lymphocytes to fight infections in the body, sometimes in the form of “helper” CD4 cells.

The thymus produces the majority of CD4 cells the body needs within the first few years of life and becomes filled with fat—a process called involution—and almost completely inactive by adulthood. Scientists have long assumed that involution of the thymus is permanent and that it is not possible to coax the gland to produce new CD4 cells, even in people whose immune systems have been badly damaged by HIV. 

Laura Napolitano, MD of the Gladstone Institute of Virology and Immunology (GIVI) and the University of California, San Francisco, and her colleagues recruited 22 HIV-positive people who’d been taking antiretroviral therapy for at least a year but who had not seen significant CD4 cell increases.

Dr. Napolitano’s team wanted to study the effects of rhGH, a drug that not only helps the body build muscle but also break down fat. They theorized that the injectable hormone’s ability to shrink fat in the body may also help reverse involution of the thymus, thereby jump-starting the gland’s ability to produce new CD4 cells.

The team followed its study volunteers for two years, conducting detailed analysis of the participants’ immune function. During the first year, one half of the group received rhGH, while the other half did not. In the second year, the group who’d been receiving rhGH stopped taking it and the group who’d not been taking rhGH started taking it.

Not only did rhGH decrease thymic fat mass, it increased patients’ CD4 cells by 30 percent. What’s more, CD4 cells continued to increase for three months after people stopped taking rhGH, and these gains were sustained for at least a year after stopping treatment.

Dr. Napolitano cautions that their findings are preliminary and that, “[rhGH] should not be used as a treatment for immune purposes in HIV disease or in any other individuals at this time, unless this treatment occurs within a research study. More research is needed to learn whether stimulating the production of new T-cells actually provides a health benefit.”

[Dachshund]

Once again Tic, I ask you if you're HIV positive?

[Dachshund]

Growth Hormone Boosts Thymus T-Cell Production

Please supply the link to this study.

[TicTicBang]

SUPRISE!


http://www.poz.com/articles/hiv_growth_hormone_761_14093.shtml

[BT65]

OK, um, does this mean your HIV+ or not?

[TicTicBang]

I just thought I would repost this:


Welcome to the AIDSmeds/POZ Community Forums,

a round-the-clock discussion area

for people with HIV/AIDS,

their friends/family/caregivers,

and others concerned about HIV/AIDS

~thanks

[Iggy]

I just thought I would repost this:


Welcome to the AIDSmeds/POZ Community Forums,

a round-the-clock discussion area

for people with HIV/AIDS,

their friends/family/caregivers,

and others concerned about HIV/AIDS

~thanks

Yes. 

But there are forums where those who are not poz should not be posting. 

Playing cat and mouse with direct questions of your status only leads to suspicion and from that suspicion leads to distrust of any advice you may offer in regards to nutrition, research and general thoughts on things relating to living with HIV.

[Ann]

Betty, Doxie, lay off.

There is nothing to back up the accusations you are throwing around about this new member. This person has not posted in the forums we keep more strictly for hiv positive people and until he does, you don't really have the right to interrogate him as to his hiv status. For all you know he could be posting on behalf of a positive person without internet access. There's no law here that says a person must divulge all their personal details.

Let this be an end to it. OK? Thanks

PS - Iggy, you posted while I was writing. This goes for you too.

Ann

[TicTicBang]

 

[Ann]

Tic,

I suggest you read the Welcome Thread before gloating when other members are warned. This crap stops right here.

Yes, you've just been warned too. Not a very good track record for someone who only recently joined and only has fourteen posts to your name.

Ann

[TicTicBang]

THANKS!

Tic,

I suggest you read the Welcome Thread before gloating when other members are warned. This crap stops right here.

Yes, you've just been warned too. Not a very good track record for someone who only recently joined and only has fourteen posts to your name.

Ann