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Off Topic Forums => Off Topic Forum => Topic started by: thunter34 on January 28, 2007, 08:04:25 pm
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There. That's it above. That "*" or "~" or whatever. I HATE that crap. More and more, I keep finding people going back and rubbing out what they put up on here- or worse, going back through entire threads and deleting what they said before.
It's working my nerves. What gives? There's no particular need to reply to this thread. I just needed to vent. I wish people would take the time to consider what they say first and/or have the courage to stick by their words later. This footprint wiping stuff leaves a bad taste to me. If I regret what I post here, I will come back and say so in a later reply. I always feel like I owe to myself and others who will eye these threads to read even the errant statements I might make. Let 'em see when I have my head up my ass or am an emotional wreck. Minor adjustments, sure. But overt deletion...I think this about it:
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I concur.
You said it... own it.
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Revisionist history? I was actually thinking how much of what is written could stand sufficient editing to make it understandable and palatable to me. Of course, no one died and appointed me...so while some words once uttered can never be taken back, we have the technological capability of revising our posts with gleeful abandon. Perhaps, we should a start a game....post, get a reply, then change your original post to make the reply seem idiotic or otherwise inappropriate...naw, the only thing I change on my posts is spelling.
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Yes, be it known that I will go back to something I posted 3 months ago and correct it for spelling & such at times. I just get perturbed when it disrupts the intellectual flow of a thread. Worse, when the very foundation of a thread is deleted.
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Hmmm...I haven't given it much thought...I must ponder this more...
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oh you mean this ****
Yea it bothers me too.
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Um, thunter, er..um..this isn't about newt taking down his nekkid pic before you could download it, is it?
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Um, thunter, er..um..this isn't about newt taking down his nekkid pic before you could download it, is it?
Oh ho! :D
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Not necessarily the pic thing. If I have a burning desire to see weenie, there's a field of it for harvest. That might make for minor frustration, but I am more conerned about the naked expression of ideas and opinions.
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Let's vote to turn off the "edit post" function.
Of course, if you use the quote function with someone else's post they can't revise history.
ps: I've revised something with a "*" one time only, and it was something totally unimportant... so much so I can't recall what it was
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That's what's great about quoting.. you can memorialize it before they can think to regret it.
I only change things when it's spelling or a run-on or something because you know it's tough sometimes to get things out really coherently so that people can understand them without having to stop and wonder what the heck that pinhead is trying to say. Or a fragment.
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Well, fully turning off the edit post function would kill the OCD side of me! I type in a way that typically mimics how I speak. (The things like "let 'em" and "younguns", and even the excessive "..." that I type out. I "..." a lot in conversational speech.) Still, if I see something later that I typed that was just a typo rather than a deliberate misspelling or the like, it makes my skin crawl if I don't go back and fix it. I guess I mostly wish people would make more of a practice of doing what Benj said: owning what they say, for better or worse. I know there are posts I have made that I can look back on a cringe because they don't read exactly the same to me later- or I realized I was just speaking like a total tool. I just resolve to let my tool moments glare out as brightly as my better posts. I think keeping that practice makes me a better contributor by keeping me more honest from the get-go. At least I hope it does.
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Timmy The Tool... has a lovely sound
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Timmy The Tool... has a lovely sound
If I have a porn name, that might be it.
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*giggle*
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!!!111one!
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I have been seeing a fair amount of posts being deleted. I just read what the replies were and try to piece it together. But I also let it be known that in turn it may cause me to go way off topic. I mean what can they say, they erased it in the first place. Or some may choose to respond and clarify things. But it can be a pain in the ass to sift through. I have never deleted a post but often modifies to correct spelling or to add something I may have forgotten to put in the first place.
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(That's a ''bump'' for this thread. I want to still hear from more people- especially the ones that actually do this crap all the time why they do it. )
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From my very first post a long time ago, to the things I say today, I have remained consistent.
If I type it, I own it. The only thing I check for is spelling, and that is a rareity.
I may not appreciate it, but I also think that the author had a change of heart, and felt the need to erase his/her typed message.
I also agree that it is not OK to start a thread, then erase the message you originally were compelled to write.
If you write it, own it. (just be mindful of what you say)
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I have never done the full edit myself. Probably should have somewhere along the way, probably should now. If you remove a post, rather than leave an asterisk, perhaps a courteous note to say you have and why. To be blunt, I disagree that what I write passes out of my ownership. This is nothing more than an electronic bulletin board, I can tear my paper down and throw it away on a real one, and I can do that here. To be blunter, i don't see the need to be able to go back and quote people's errors or meanness of the moment. I don't see these threads, especially off topic ones, as carved in stone. Nor do i find missing posts particularly confusing or significant. Of course deleting the original post is a bit strange, but worse acts are committed on these forums to people who are hurting or in need.
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I can see how deleting a whole thing can be annoying, but I'd hate to not be able to edit at all. I never delete a full post--I probably should have a few, but I didn't. I like my posts to sound as perfect as possible, so sometimes I do multiple edits--for example, this word is spelled wrong, this wording doesn't make sense, I forgot to add this thought, etc. I just think it is better than people asking me what the hell I am talking about later. Sometimes I tend to type fast and my mind and hands don't work at the same pace. But deleting whole posts is something I'd never do even if I regret what I said.
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(I consulted the editors of The NEW YORKER before posting this. :) Yesterday I thought I started a useful (to me, at least) thread through which people could tell those who are hiv positive on the Cape why they find the forums useful, what draws them to them each day. I would then quote the comments in a newsletter article on the Forums. Yes, I can put in an article why I am drawn, but wouldn't it be an improvement to have a dialogue going from the start, Forums to Cape. Well, it went up and got no replies. So the editor in me who sits next to the writer is tempted to edit the whole thing out as, 'Nice try, but obviously phrased wrong.'
At least twice I have posted something, logged off and then thought about what I had posted and felt the need to add or clarify what I had posted. Thanks to the edit option, I could do that.
But to make the whole thing disappear which, yes, I have found quite often and yes it has bothered me: 'Late for the dance?' 'Did I miss something important? Can I, too, try to piece together what was there from the comments about it?' Win
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My porn name would be Dildo Baggins or Hugh G. Rection
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To Win, I would say that I would not necessaily set a time limit for something to gather a response & then take it down...unless it was a time-sensitive post to begin with. There are lots of threads on here that escape my eyes for sometime- ones that I somehow don't see until I happen to notice a later post on it or if I happen to spy someone browsing it in the "Who Is Online" section. I have found a bunch of worthwhile topics that way. It could also be that the seed you plant needs time before it is ready to be harvested by someone else. And I say this part really specifically to Win: There are often times that I see threads of yours that are quite provocative, and it is something that I need to sit and stew on to figure out a reply. Sometimes, I don't even come up with I feel might be a post-worthy reply. That doesn't mean I don't continue to work it over in my head. And those kinds of posts in particular tend to circle in my head for that very reason: I'm still in the introspection mode. I'm self-aware that an idea has been raised that I haven't considered properly before, and I am looking at myself to understand not only the issue- but also perhaps WHY have I not viewed something in that light. There's a lot of mental chewing to be done for the digestion. Make any sense?
To Razorbill: Yes, it is an electronic bulletin board. However, once you garner additional replies, it seems to me that intellectual ownership shifts to that of the community- not just the original poster. Yanking one's own particular posts from a thread (to me) is somewhat akin to working on a script with some fellow writers- then later deciding to yank your personal page contributions from the finished script...hobbling the thematic flow for all who took the time to contribute. That's just how it seems to me.
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To be blunt, I disagree that what I write passes out of my ownership. This is nothing more than an electronic bulletin board, I can tear my paper down and throw it away on a real one, and I can do that here.
Bad analogy. A web board posting is more akin to an actual physical conversation rather than a term paper. If we're sitting in a room talking with a group of people and you say something can you erase it from people's memory?
We are NOT discussing alterations of the record to correct spelling here folks. I think we all know what's what with that.
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Well, in my defense I did that with one post but only because I had merged my writing in that post with another simply for brevitys sake. :)
I do understand why it is irritating. However, sometimes people struggle with seeing their thoughts in print afterwards. Writing can be a "Pandora's Box" and with it can come regret, fear, anger, pain. Words are very powerful whether in the hands of an adept or a novice. Sometimes it's just easier to put the lid back on that box than to have to continue to deal with the outcome of our action.
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I agree that it's annoying, especially to those who read posts that others take the time to type out, and the whole thread makes no sense. I do like quoting for that reason.
On the other hand, incorrect (and not very flattering) information was posted about me a while back. I had nothing to do with the thread, but was only the 'victim' of the post. The first reply quoted the original. The original poster apologized and revised his post, but the rest of the stuff he initially said is still there, quoted in the thread.
It would be courteous to at least put SOMETHING in place of what's been edited out or the reason... anything but just an * or similar.
David
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Yes, putting something there that encapsulates at least the original intent of the post would be good. I think a change of heart or reevaluation deserves to simply be posted as a later reply...
"In post #3, I said such and such. I've since had the chance to reconsider..." etc. But I think the original post should stand.
And like philly said, we aren't talking about spelling changes and such. I can also see about adding an additional thought to something you've posted, but I always think it is a good idea to include "EDITED/MODIFIED TO SAY" or something to that effect. It might even be a good thing (if the thread is really long) to make a later reply about the adjustment like:
POST #104: "Just an FYI, I made an adjustment to my post 17." That is being especially thorough about it, I admit. Just a thought and depends on how drastic the addition or change is, or how important you think it might be that people following the thread know of the change. There's lots of times I follow a thread...only to look back by chance some time later to see that something new was added to the earlier parts that I never saw.
And finally: Yes, * is extremely annoying...but I find lines like "deleted because I was drunk/high" or "my meds made me do it" to be just as lame.
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On the other hand, incorrect (and not very flattering) information was posted about me a while back. I had nothing to do with the thread, but was only the 'victim' of the post. The first reply quoted the original. The original poster apologized and revised his post, but the rest of the stuff he initially said is still there, quoted in the thread.
Join the club... at least you got an apology which is more than I can say.
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Join the club... at least you got an apology which is more than I can say.
I'm sure we don't know what you are talking about!
Tim
(Who is being rather...coy at the moment.)
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::notes coyness diligently::
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Point well made, Tim. I needed some insight into the minds of others here. (While I edit and re-edit the draft poem about the forums.) Win
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I have to say that I side with Peter on this whole 48 hour thing. I just happened to notice that Iggy has gone back and erased pages and pages of his posts. Very frustrating.
CORRECTION: Apparently, he has wiped out every single one of his posts. He always seemed bent on making every thread all about him, and this looks like his final attempt to do so.
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I have to say that I side with Peter on this whole 48 hour thing. I just happened to notice that Iggy has gone back and erased pages and pages of his posts. Very frustrating.
CORRECTION: Apparently, he has wiped out every single one of his posts. He always seemed bent on making every thread all about him, and this looks like his final attempt to do so.
We now all look like we're responding to absolutely nothing... or like we're talking to ourselves...
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We now all look like we're responding to absolutely nothing... or like we're talking to ourselves...
Yes, but I had that same sensation many times when I first posted in those threads.
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Yes, but I had that same sensation many times when I first posted in those threads.
It's the illusion of a conversation that's been shattered... and that's what upsets me the most.
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"M-O-O-N" that spells do not delete posts.
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It's the illusion of a conversation that's been shattered... and that's what upsets me the most.
I guess we should have expected such a tantrum after he went from thread to thread making all of those sarcastic comments left and right. We, of course, refused to sit by and take it...we cleaned his sad clock, so he did the equivalent of packing up his toys and leaving.
Very telling that someone who went on and on and on about the failing integrity of these forums would throw gigantic wrecking balls to them- thus disrupting the integrity of thread after thread- upon his departure.
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I guess we should have expected such a tantrum after he went from thread to thread making all of those sarcastic comments left and right. We, of course, refused to sit by and take it...we cleaned his sad clock, so he did the equivalent of packing up his toys and leaving.
Very telling that someone who went on and on and on about the failing integrity of these forums would throw gigantic wrecking balls to them- thus disrupting the integrity of thread after thread- upon his departure.
Although it's the height of hypocritical irony to delete what was here in a thread about deletion of posts... I feel the need to.
Perhaps a bit caught up in the memory of some rather nasty exchanges, I said something here I should have kept to myself.
Appy polly loggies to everyone... but I really can't be that catty. It's not very me.
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Not that Iggy needs defending, he is afterall quite capable, but there is something that needs to be said here.
At some point just before we moved to the new forums, Iggy had been stalked, outed, and dogged by a person in his city. He got his confidence smashed to smithereenies, and backed out of the forums for a period of time. He had only begun to return to posting here, and something made him decide to go away again, and take his posts with him.
I don't know what his reasons were, but he was a genuinely good man with fears, and demons, just like the rest of us. He was just a wry, pragmatic man who didn't buy into the whole "don't worry, be happy, positive karma" thing.
Personally, I miss him. I hope he is well.
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He always seemed bent on making every thread all about him, and this looks like his final attempt to do so.
HOW DARE HE... this forum is all about Miss Hunter34!
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It's also very telling that he did this about five weeks ago and no one really noticed.
eep.
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I liked Iggy and I hope all is well with him.
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Not many times am I brought to tears.
Iggy's recount of his attempted suicide did just that for me.
Like Lisa and Dach, I hope he's o.k.
RAB
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Not many times am I brought to tears.
Iggy's recount of his attempted suicide did just that for me.
Like Lisa and Dach, I hope he's o.k.
RAB
Wow. That sounds like it was a powerful read.
Shame it isn't on here anymore.
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Wow. That sounds like it was a powerful read.
Shame it isn't on here anymore.
But the larger issue stands... sometimes I wonder how many people here are working for the Ministry of Truth in 1984 around here.
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I am glad that the 48 hour time limit was imposed on the deletion/editing of posts. Many, many times I have scoured the archives to locate a piece of information, only to find someone had vandalized the forums with the asterisk.
Insofar as Iggy goes, he did send me a sweet letter of apology via PM after his outburst on the blogs commentary section. However, I was not checking PMs at the time, and by the time I replied, I think he was long gone.
Hey, we have ALL had terrible things happen to us. Unspeakable things. Suicide attempts, rejections of the worst kind, We have known death, assault, domestic violence, stalkers, and let's not forget the virus that enjoys snacking on our brains.
There is no excuse for being cruel to others as a result, or by-product of those horrors. None whatsoever.
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Not that Iggy needs defending, he is afterall quite capable, but there is something that needs to be said here.
At some point just before we moved to the new forums, Iggy had been stalked, outed, and dogged by a person in his city. He got his confidence smashed to smithereenies, and backed out of the forums for a period of time. He had only begun to return to posting here, and something made him decide to go away again, and take his posts with him.
I don't know what his reasons were, but he was a genuinely good man with fears, and demons, just like the rest of us. He was just a wry, pragmatic man who didn't buy into the whole "don't worry, be happy, positive karma" thing.
Personally, I miss him. I hope he is well.
This all happened because Iggy took to defending me on my blog from a troll, who was most probably a member of AM, judging by his/her familiarity with my posts and various issues. I took Iggy's withdrawl last summer extremely personally, and even considered abandoning my blog altogether.
I am unfamiliar with the particulars regarding his retreat, but as he has deleted all his posts he shall probably not be coming back. That's a shame, because I counted him among my closest friends and confidants last Summer and was looking to reconnect with one of the smartest, funniest, most clever men I'd ever met.
Brent
(Who remains loyal)
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Words are very powerful whether in the hands of an adept or a novice. Sometimes it's just easier to put the lid back on that box than to have to continue to deal with the outcome of our action.
so true, so true. ughhh :-[ :-[ :-[
Hey, we have ALL had terrible things happen to us. Unspeakable things. Suicide attempts, rejections of the worst kind, We have known death, assault, domestic violence, stalkers, and let's not forget the virus that enjoys snacking on our brains.
There is no excuse for being cruel to others as a result, or by-product of those horrors. None whatsoever.
indeed. shame on that person who did the trolling/stalking of iggy. >:( and on a different matter, shame on me as well for judging iggy simply because we didn't see eye to eye on the GMHC (NY's largest ASO for those of you who don't know) ...i used each & every opportunity to tell him i felt he was focusing too much energy on all the "wrong" things, "wrong" as defined by me, even his choices in karaoke singing and calling him ignatius reilly. big shame on me. where did i get off deciding what was right & wrong for him? my dumv little ego was hurt simply because he didn't agree with my fondness for the GMHC. i'm very very sorry. :-[
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Personally I think 48 hours is too long.
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it's time to revisit this here thread, i think.
so....
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Whoomp! There it is!
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Man thats one freaky pussy!
Sorry had to say that.
Your right. end of story....
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You know....that's just about what I would have expected you to say.
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I saw the other thread where someone deleted what they wrote. I agree with you 100 percent. It makes me wonder what was said but I really don't stress it. Either you have the balls to say what's on your mind or you don't. It's simple as that to me...
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I remember when there was a delete facility. Members could delete their own posts. It was a nightmare.
I think that the Administrators should reduce the edit window from 48 hours to 5 minutes like it is in many other forums. You've got 5 minutes to edit your post to correct any typos or zero it if you've thought better of what you've posted before a debate can start.
After 5 minutes if you really really need to edit the post then tough fucking luck. You should have thought about that when you clicked send.
MtD
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::agrees furiously::
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I remember when there was a delete facility. Members could delete their own posts. It was a nightmare.
I think that the Administrators should reduce the edit window from 48 hours to 5 minutes like it is in many other forums. You've got 5 minutes to edit your post to correct any typos or zero it if you've thought better of what you've posted before a debate can start.
After 5 minutes if you really really need to edit the post then tough fucking luck. You should have thought about that when you clicked send.
MtD
it's a shame it has to be like that. i still run across typos in old posts that i wish i could fix, but there were too many people who couldn't be responsible with that freedom, so we all lost it. that 5 mins sounds a bit extreme, but i am definitely coming around to thinking it needs to be far shorter than it still is. it seems 48 hours is still too generous as that is still plenty of time to throw a wrecking ball to a whole thread. it's a pisser, too...cuz i'd love to still be able to do stuff like edit/rename thread titles (like when there ends up being some important update info that you want to make sure people readily see).
i wish people could have some more foresight about such things because we all end up having to lose some pretty nifty little editorial freedoms.
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Timmy,
You have to be one of the brightest, most intelligent, and sensible posters on these Forums.
I had the most wonderful evening that I can remember on the sidewalk in front of the Powell in San Francisco getting to know you and your brilliant mind. It was an evening I will never forget.
Love and hugs, Ric
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I think that any and all users should have the right to edit or delete anything they've written at any given time. Obviously going through threads you've responded to or perhaps created on your own and removing anything that makes you look bad is in poor taste. If you're going to be outspoken that's fine but stick to your guns.
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Timmy,
You have to be one of the brightest, most intelligent, and sensible posters on these Forums.
I had the most wonderful evening that I can remember on the sidewalk in front of the Powell in San Francisco getting to know you and your brilliant mind. It was an evening I will never forget.
Love and hugs, Ric
Well good gracious, Ric. What a wonderful thing to say. I'm all warm and fuzzy and stuff. :)
I treasure that experience also. You know it!
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Christ, pry yourselves apart already boys. It's nauseating.
MtD
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Back off, Matilda! We're having a moment!
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So I noticed Timberley. ;)
When you're not licking the side of Ric's head, you're humping Jodala's leg. Take it back to the AMG forum babe. What goes on tour, stays on tour and all that.
MtD
(Who cannot stand seeing others enjoy themselves) :P
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LMAO.......