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Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« on: July 02, 2009, 11:11:32 pm »

greeting to everyone, pls forgive my English. Following paragraphs can be long, but necessary to explain the everything what I am going thru:

Usually I go to barber place for shaving, threading. I also have pimples sometimes, which I used to pluck through an instrument at barber place.

In india, good barber shop usually follow the precautions by changing the razors or sterliing the instruments, but I live in an area which has not good barber shop and usually go about the businness without bothering sterlizing the instruments though they change the razor and sometime they don't (forgot or if in hurry, or if more customers are waiting).

While haviing shave or pimple pluck I never though abt sterlizing or changing blade (a bit careless from my part)

Recently on around april 20, i started to feel fatigue, after one week, i felt heat Dissipating from the body, the kind of sensation i never felt in my life before,  also I started loosing weight rapidly, that never happens before, I also had minor nasal congestion and sneazing, I went to the doctor, prescribed some anti-bio. Because these are unusual sensations, i scared of caching other deseage so took test for CBC, Hep A/B, Typhoid, Malaria, all came back Neg.

in the subsequent days fatigue continued, and body started getting warm on and off. on May 10, I became very week, my body continued to be warm,when I touch my forehead I can sense, I became  so week, i called up my relatives, they took me to the doctor, where I got the glucose bottles for two days, following week I started to recover, but on and often, body gets warm and then return to normal.

I though abt having Viral Infect, so searched on the Net, read that acute hiv casues these kind of symptoms, I got scared, though abt barber place incidents.  Got tested for HIV at 9th week with CBC, HIV test done using EIA method and came back negative.

Felt relieved but when I read that one should wait at least 12 month for conclusive results, made me nervous, I am going to have test after 12 month, but took CBC to check blood count status found some abnormalities which am putting down at the end of this post.

My question is to am i at risk? does my symptoms indicate hiv infection ? how long one should wait for conclusive HIV result ?

If any one can explain me exact symptopms of primary HIV infection, because  the kind of symptoms I had, I never expereinced it in my life before, though I had viral infection in the past (2 or 3 in whole life, m 32 yr old), but they got resolved within 1 week or 2 at max.

Below are the CBC test I took, does this indicate any kind of HIV infection, pls tell me, I am scared for second HIV test after 12 week, what if it came back posiitive:


20 May:
RBC Count     : 5.18
Haemoglobin   :  15.0
Packed Cell Volum  : 45.2

Total WBC :      9400 cumm
Neutrophils:     65.5
Lymphocytes :  24.5
Eosinophils   :  0.6

16th Jun:

RBC Count     : 4.85
Haemoglobin   :  13.8
Packed Cell Volum  : 41.6

Total WBC :      8000 cumm
Neutrophils:     48.2
Lymphocytes :  39.1
Eosinophils   :  3.2



02 Jul:

RBC Count     : 4.82
Haemoglobin   :  13.7
Packed Cell Volum  : 41.6

Total WBC :      8700 cumm
Neutrophils:     53.6
Lymphocytes :  35.2
Eosinophils   :  2.5



Pls help me friends and pray for me, thanks for a lot.

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 04:52:17 am »
Worried,

Unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse you haven't told us about, you haven't been at risk for hiv infection. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Hiv is NOT transmitted from objects in the environment, including barbers' tools. Not one person has ever been infected this way and you won't be the first.

We do not discuss symptoms here because symptoms or even the lack of symptoms means nothing when it comes to hiv infection. Only testing will reliably inform you of your hiv status. YOU only need to test if you are sexually active.

Your CBC blood results are also meaningless when it comes to hiv. I've had hiv for over twelve years and my CBC results are always in the normal ranges. You can't find out you hiv status by looking at your CBCs.

You haven't had a risk and you do not need to test. If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 11:36:53 am »
Thanks Ann, glad to see your reply, m feeling a bit relaxed now,

I m going to test after 12week (in the post, i incorrectly mentioned 12month) but when it comes to HIV, even a minor exposure and symptoms will make one nervous when u get to know the risk.  

I have not been sexually active, never visited to any CSW, but what worrying me most is the cuts i usually get at the barber place because of my rough skin and considering the associated risk of infection.  Mumbai is having the largest infected person in India and I never know what if barber shaved someone infected and applied the same razor on me or plucked the pimples using same instrument.

Researchers says there is a risk although minimum but it is there, while browsing through the net, i came to know that in one of the prison cell in India one person got infected because residential barber was using the same razor to shave.  What if m belongs to that risk group..?

There might be other people infected by this way, but they never came forward because of stigma associated with HIV, and it might not be possible for reasearcher to track those peoples.

I had cuts few months back and before, and symptoms are like never experiened before, in addition to what I mentioned in the post I also experienced minor itching at genital parts, had small ulcer on the lower lip, had white coated tongue, so these are making me nervous and  thats why I asked what kind of symptoms person experience at the time of hiv infection or may be at advanced stage.

M really trying to concentrate on my work, but I couldn't, its really making me nervous. M am taking the test just to make sure, hope HIV  results should come back negative.

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 12:53:01 pm »
Ann's given you the real deal on your concerns. I can't count the number of barbershop, shaving, haircut and beauty parlor incidents I've known of and not a single one ever resulted in HIV transmission.

It's a fragile virus and it simply is not transmitted in that manner. Your negative test result is a certainty. You're wasting your money but if you need it for peace of mind, then go ahead and collect the inevitable negative result.
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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 01:08:57 pm »

Researchers says there is a risk although minimum but it is there, while browsing through the net, i came to know that in one of the prison cell in India one person got infected because residential barber was using the same razor to shave.  What if m belongs to that risk group..?

There might be other people infected by this way, but they never came forward because of stigma associated with HIV, and it might not be possible for reasearcher to track those peoples.


Worried,

NO. Researchers say it's a theoretical risk, not minimal. It's also a theoretical risk that a metorite is going to fall on your head the next time you walk outside, but is it going to happen? NO.

People claim they got infected through a razor because of the stigma attached to getting it though having sex. That doesn't make what they claim true. I'm quite sure it was never proven that some guy got infected in prison through the barber. He was probably afraid to admit to having sex in prison.

We don't talk about symptoms here because they're meaningless. Many people never even have symptoms of hiv infection. ONLY hiv antibody testing will reveal your hiv status.

Test if you want, but don't be surprised by your negative result.

You will not be permitted to use this forum to go on and on about your NO RISK concern or your symptoms. Make sure you read our posting guidelines found in the Welcome Thread. If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 01:36:56 pm »
Thanks Ann/Andy.

This is my last post, hopefully will post again once I will receive the results. Today I browsed through mnay post on this site and came to know many thing about hiv and its transmission and now feeling relaxed.

This forum is great for people to learn about hiv and prevention and also to know  how to live life happily & healthy even if infected.

Thanks a lot.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 04:27:36 pm »
You're welcome. Now get on with your life.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 11:53:59 pm »
Hi Ann/Andy

Sorry to posting again, but the current situation is freaking me out,

2 days before when i called up my fiance she reported about having rash on her hand, shoulders, thighs, these were like little raised and red in color, they appear suddenly and disappears after 5-6 hrrs and re-appear again on other parts of the body,  this continued for a week.

she also reported about having fatigue and said she was feeling tired. also said at evening time she started to sneeze and developed nasal congession. I asked if she is having fever, said no. She said these kind of symptoms she never had in her life. now she dont have any rashed but feels kind of tired.

Based on her symptoms I am sure it all started around 6-7 weeks ago when I went to meet her, she is living in another city, we went to movie where we kissed each other, it was a deep open mouth kissing, we kissed 4-5 times during 2 hr and each kiss lasted abt 10-15 mins , and at that time I  just started to have the symptoms as I reported earlier,  Next day again we went to movie and kissed, we never had sex, as we just going to marry in next six month and it is an arrange marriage so sex before marriage is no.

These thing are freaking me out again and i started to feeling guilty I might have infected her, everyone saying kissing is a no-risk activity but what about the unusual symptoms, timing, it is not only me even she is having these unusual symptoms,  doctors says Viral load is very high during primary HIV infection, i must have infected her.

Now i m very scared, think what if test results are positive, how would i tell her, my family, in india having HIV is entirely different than having any other deseasge. My life will  have no meaning if i tested positive.  How would I tell her to go for test she could also be infected, i m crying,  just thinking about this. I assured my self that if only i am infected I would tell her to marry someone else, but now how to deal with the situation. I dont know what to do.

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I have decided to use Voluntary Counseling and  Testing Center's for counseling before testing to clear all my doubts ab8 HIV.  and in-case tested positive (m sure this wont be d case, just the symptoms of mine and fiance worrying me) wanted to be with the counselor to deal with the situation.
Going for test on 10th july. Wish me luck.
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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2009, 05:41:03 am »
Worried,

Don't be surprised when your hiv test comes back with negative results. You have NOT had a risk. Kissing is not a risk either, so forget about that.

Feel free to report your negative result when you get it, but don't bother coming back here to list more symptoms - you'll quickly be given a time out.

Please consider yourself warned.

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 02:34:35 pm »
Hi Ann/Andy

I just got my test result, it was done approximately after 12th week since the barber incident took place, and it came back "Negative", thanks Ann/Andy and everyone for your support and encouragement.

However, because of type of symptoms of mine and fiancee and the timing I m little worried, so I decided for DNA PCR test, will receive on next week. M sure it too will Negative, jus for peace of mind, i did the test.

will post about the results soon.

Thanks everyone.

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 03:14:48 pm »
Worried,

DNA PCR tests are NOT approved for diagnostic purposes, because they are prone to false POSITIVE results. If you get one of those, don't even bother coming here to fret about it. ANY result on a PCR test must be confirmed with an antibody test. You've already had the negative antibody result at the appropriate time (and you never had a risk to begin with) and it is conclusive. YOU DO NOT HAVE HIV, regardless of what sort of result you get on your DNA PCR.

You're one stop closer to a time out. Keep posting about this NO RISK incident with a CONCLUSIVE NEGATIVE RESULT and you'll be given that time out you've been warned about.

THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING!

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2009, 09:46:36 am »
Hi Ann/Andy and everyone,

Today I got my DNA PCR test for HIV1 & 2, and it says 'NOT DETECTED',  test is done approximately after 13th Week.

Thanks again everyone for your support and encouragement, I am really feeling completely relaxed.

This forum has really helped me and is very helpfull for everyone having suspected HIV infection.
 
I've learned many thing during this 3 month period, I just want to re-iterate what Andy always says:

"Neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test at the right time can give you a reliable answer."

Having said that, its not easy to stay relaxed, if you have any UNUSUAL & STRANGE symptoms, so its better to go and get tested at right time.

Thanks everyone.




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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 10:16:33 am »
That's no surprise about the negative result. Good luck to you and get on with your life.
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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2019, 06:25:21 am »
I had visited a SPA center. After the massage, girl offered me oral sex and asked me to first wash the penis. I went to washroom and opened the tap, but it was too hot and I felt like I burned my penis but there were no visible mark of burning. Then I poured some cold water on to the penis and I felt better.

Then she performed oral on me for 5-10 mins and I ejaculated into her mouth, immediately she took out the penis and then cleaned it using the towel.

After 2 days, in the night I suddenly felt very painful sore throat, next day in the morning I had body-ache and slight fever. Also, I felt cold & runny nose and my voice slightly changed. It continued for next 7-8 days, thereafter I felt better.

Now I am totally worried about HIV. I am still assuring myself that 2-5 days are too short time for HIV symptoms to show up, but nowhere I found anyone opposing this view strongly.

Please help me:

1. Insertive oral sex is low-risk or no-risk activity as I have read in your previous post. But with my situation (penis skin burned from very hot water) this view still holds true?

2. Is it possible for HIV symptoms to show up within 2-5 days?

Thanks in Advance

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Re: Insertive Oral after washing penis in a very hot tap water
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2019, 06:37:39 am »
Hiya,

The condition of your penis does not change how HIV is or is not transmitted. Getting your penis sucked simple is no HIV risk to you whatsoever.

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After 2 days, in the night I suddenly felt very painful sore throat, next day in the morning I had body-ache and slight fever. Also, I felt cold & runny nose and my voice slightly changed. It continued for next 7-8 days, thereafter I felt better.

Nothing to do with HIV from this encounter as;

A) You had no HIV exposure from this encounter
B) Even if you had had a real risk such as unprotected intercourse as an example these symptoms would not start to occur within 2 days, it takes far longer for HIV to infect the target cells and for the body to react.

Please don't ask about symptoms again, you are perfectly aware they are irrelevant. This is simple, you no exposure to HIV for transmission to occur from this event. End of story.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, every time, no exceptions. Consider starting PrEP going forward as an additional layer of protection against HIV

Keep in mind that some sexual practices which may be described as safe in terms of HIV transmission might still pose a risk for transmission of other easier to transmit STI's, so please do get fully tested regularly and at least yearly for all STI's including but not limited to HIV and test more frequently if unprotected intercourse occurs

Also note that it is possible to have an STI and show no signs or symptoms and the only way of knowing is by testing.

More information on HIV Basics, PEP, TaSP and Transmission can be found through the links in my signature to our POZ pages, this includes information on HIV Testing

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 06:13:25 am »
Since my last post, I had another symptom. When masturbating, I found brown elements (blood) in the semen, got scared and searched the net, found this condition is called Hematospermia and hiv listed one of the reason for the same, those articles also mentioned stds could be a reason.

Seeing the blood in sement and after reading the net, I got too scared. I went for one of the integrated counselling and testing center 10 days ago, and given blood for the hiv testing, but too scared to go and collect the report.

Meanwhile, few articles mentioned, hematospermia is common and resolve on its own within few weeks. During this time, with a gap of few days, I saw blood again but color was slighty changed and it does not contain too many brown particles anymore.

Since STDs (chlamydia & gonorrhea) also mentioned as possible reason, but there is no symptoms which points to stds eg discharge, frequent urination, burning sensation etc Does silent infection for chlamydia & gonorrhea causes blood in semen?

Here are the images which I tried to capture:
the first time when I noticed brown particles in semen:
https://imgur.com/yqk7GDq

Second time after few days:
https://imgur.com/DJ7fwNI

Third time after few days(no more brown particles but color was slighly yello/beige):
https://imgur.com/4nrTuTs

Fourth time after few days(same as third time):
https://imgur.com/QN4Ug8V

Does hematospermia is common occurence with HIV?
I had my low risk exposure in late april 2019, and got blood in semen in late dec 19. as I also mentioned in my earlier post, other symptoms appeared just after 2 days of exposure, could this new symptom (blood in semen) be related to HIV?

I am too scared to collect the test report.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 07:33:33 am »
Hiya,

What you posted can not lead to you acquiring HIV - Your left testical and right arm could fall off it does not change how HIV is or is not transmitted.

Try to relax, stop reading nonsense, see your doctor and treat whatever is making you sick. I hope you feel better soon.

Remember to use condoms for any intercourse no exceptions and to test out of routine like every sexually adult should at least yearly for HIV & STI's.

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Nothing to do with HIV from this encounter as;

A) You had no HIV exposure from this encounter
B) Even if you had had a real risk such as unprotected intercourse as an example these symptoms would not start to occur within 2 days, it takes far longer for HIV to infect the target cells and for the body to react.

Please don't ask about symptoms again, you are perfectly aware they are irrelevant. This is simple, you no exposure to HIV for transmission to occur from this event. End of story.



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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2020, 10:32:48 am »
Updates:

Finally, I took courage and collected the report 10 days ago. It was Negative. I was hugely relieved. 

Thereaftr I did full STD panel test (chlamdiya, hsv, HIV, vdrl), all negative.

This whole winter I had running nose, sore throat, all cold like symptoms. And then had blood in semen episodes. I read somewhere, TB could also be a possible cause of blood in semen.

Hence, did TB PCR test, it was also negative.

On this forum, moderators said multiple times, when it comes to HIV, symptoms are irrelevant, which is correct, I had all the symptoms, pointing to HIV eventhough I had extremly low risk activity.

Testing is the only way to know HIV irrespective of symptoms, however it is easier said than done.

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2020, 11:22:10 am »
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You had no HIV exposure from what you posted here so the result is no surprise.

You have a history of stressing about nothing and causing yourself drama ... As promised banned for continued posting about no-risk situations, if you keep having irrational thoughts about HIV talk to a therapist instead of the merry-go-round of testing over nothing

Jim

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