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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: nocasualsex on March 07, 2009, 08:03:58 am
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First of all, I want to thank Andy and Ann for their replies in other threads which serves as great encouragment and a strong source of support for me.
About 6months ago, i had unprotected BJs, frenching and protected vaginal intercourse. After having those for a few times, i was guilt stricken and started worrying about HIV.
Surfed on the net and found alot of negative information which were not very helpful to me. Talks about unprotected BJs and frenching will transmit HIV if there are sores etc etc (but from your site i know they doesnt) and that there are cases of people getting HIV because of unprotected oral sex and HIV cases are on a RISE. I started to get really worried before I come across aidmed.
1month ago, i had protected BJ and protected vaginal intercourse, but the fear is still there.
After reading the old threads in this forum, they gave me the courage to go for a HIV test earlier this afternoon. Results came and i was Negative. Thank the Lord.
One question that I really want to ask, without the agenda of getting a time-out.
The question is :Is my HIV test result conclusive? Because my previous protected BJ and protected vaginal intercourse was only ONE month ago, and I heard for the test to be conclusive, it needs THREE months. I just need some assurance.
Once again, i sincerely thank Andy and Ann for their selfless effort in replying the people here, i really appreciate it. (:
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No guy has ever been confirmed to have become infected from getting a blowjob. With 25 years of epidemic experience and trillions of blowjobs later, it's safe to say you are not going to make history by becoming the first to become infected in that manner.
You used a condom for intercourse which is exactly what you should always do. They provide very effective protection.
So nothing you are reporting put you at risk for HIV transmission. There was no need for testing so it's irrelevant when you test or tested since a negative result was inevitable.
Keep using those condoms. We do also recommend that anyone who's sexually active ought to at least once a year have a full STD panel done. Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV.
This time I don't see any basis for further concern on your part about HIV.
Cheers.
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THANKS for the reply Andy! :D
With this reply from you, I can rest my case and go for my STDs tests soon.
I dont know why other websites are saying all those things about getting HIV from unprotected BJs, but I believe you and I hope I can educate my peers as well because they are also worried about unprotected BJs and when I told them aidmed says there is nothing to worry about, they just laughed it off and say that im naive.
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Oh ya, i forgot to ask this question.
Although its all protected vaginal intercourse, does the quality of condoms changes the whole story?
I can say all the condoms that i used are new but will the quality of the condoms affect the "risk level" of protected vaginal intercourse?
Thanks for reading. :D
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "quality." As long as it's latex and doesn't break, (which you would know if that happens), then you're good to go.
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Sorry for the unclearness.
My definition of "quality" is there are cheaper condoms and condoms which are more expensive.
So if im using the cheaper ones, does it actually increase the risk?
Thanks for answering. :)
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No, the lower cost doesn't mean the quality is lesser. The important thing is to be sure they are latex.
Actually the more expensive ones are sometimes made of sheepskin and those should NOT be as they are not as reliable for absolute protection as latex ones.
It's easy enough to read on the package that it's latex and the date by which it should be used.
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I see, thanks for the valuable insight!
All the condoms that i used were provided by the sex workers.
I read from another thread from this forum that says sex workers actually use condoms to protect themselves thus i hope they are using latex condoms.
Once again, thanks.
Will come back if I still have any doubts. (:
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Of course sex workers want to protect themselves. You can be sure they are using latex because they inexpensive relatively and provide very effective protection.
Casual, we're not here to answer each and every doubt that your anxious mind comes up with. The bottom line in your incident was that you were not at risk. Keep using condoms everytime for intercourse and you will be well protected in terms of sexual activity.
It's time for you to move on with your life.
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Hi Andy and Ann.
Im sorry to ask this, but i just need some reassurance. Because after reading alot of other sites on HIV and STIs, im getting uneasy.
Will deep frenching transmit HIV diseases? With all the spins you can think of, like bleeding gums, sores, anything you can think of.
And protected oral sex, its really of no concern for HIV right?
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no,
Kissing, deep, shallow, with or without whatever spin you can think of, is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has ever been infected through a kiss and you certainly won't be the first. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.
Getting a blowjob, with or without a condom, is NOT a risk for hiv infection.
You didn't have a risk. Get over it and get on with your life.
Ann
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Thanks for the reply.
What about blood which is caused by bleeding gums? Wont swallowing the HIV+ blood or the blood entering your bloodstream affect you?
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No matter what spin you attempt to put on these activities there is/was no risk. Got it?
You need to stop with this right now. If there was any sort of risk possible we would have told you.
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Okay this post is not meant to challenge any of the professionals here.
But I would like to ask, why are all of you so sure of deep kissing( The risk of bleeding gums and whatsnot sounds kind of convincing and realistic to me) and blowjobs will not have any risks for HIV when all the other sites say that these activities has risk?( Actually, the only site that I came across that says deep kissing and blowjob have no risk is this particular site.)
Is it just because "no one has ever get it before", thus all of you says that its of no risk?
Im not trying to challenge anyone, just that im curious as of why are all of you so confident of your knowledge?
What if one fine day a person says, " I GOT HIV JUST THROUGH DEEP KISSING!"
Will that change your opinion then?
The reason im posting this is because im worried that some people will go ahead and kiss and blow all they want but they have unexpected consequences thereafter.
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No. Because HIV is not transmitted through kissing.
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No,
This has already been explained to you. Saliva is not infectious! Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.
What if one fine day a person says, " I GOT HIV JUST THROUGH DEEP KISSING!"
Will that change your opinion then?
NO! It might change my opinion of the person - that they were a liar or somehow "forgot" that they'd had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse - but it wouldn't change my mind on transmission vectors. It's the science behind it all, you see.
And by the way, I'm hiv positive. The last thing I'd ever want to do is to pass my virus on to someone else. I have NO FEAR of kissing anyone or participating in oral sex - any kind of oral sex. I was with an hiv negative man for over eight years and while we used condoms for intercourse, our sex life was full. He remained hiv negative and is hiv negative to this day.
If you cannot bring yourself to believe us, go test, collect your negative result, and get on with your life.
If you read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) before posting like you're supposed to, you would have read the following posting guideline:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Please consider yourself warned.
Ann
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No,
This has already been explained to you. Saliva is not infectious! Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.
Im really sorry if i sound offensive.
I know that saliva is not infectious, but im talking about the blood that is in the mouth which is caused by sores or gums.
Upon reading your own life story, i realized i had been ignorant.
But if someone is HIV+, they should check if they have bleeding gums or whatsoever before they blow or deep kiss someone, right?
Because blood does transmit HIV from what i learn from the site and all of you.
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HIV is not transmitted by kissing or by getting a blowjob, blood or no blood..
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No,
If you think I check my mouth every time I kiss someone, you'd better think again.
Please read the following s l o w l y and c a r e f u l l y:
Not only is saliva not infectious, BUT IT ALSO CONTAINS OVER A DOZEN DIFFERENT PROTEINS AND ENZYMES THAT DAMAGE HIV AND RENDER IT UNABLE TO INFECT.
I'm giving you that time out I warned you about. Enough is enough already. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.
Ann
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I have been following this forum for pretty long.
I just want to ask, is oral sex still risk free? Because there is a rise in HIV cases in my country, Vietnam and im very worried now because i had unprotected oral sex. I was the receiver.
What CDC said really contradicts what your forum is promoting as CDC says ALL oral sex has certain risk but what your forum's take on oral sex is no matter what kind of spin you put in, its still risk free.
Im curious to what makes you guys so confident to even go against CDC's information.
Im sorry if i sound offensive, but im really confused and curious.
I had an old thread but i cannot find it already thus im making a new one.
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I've merged your threads. Please keep all of your entries in this same thread.
Anytime you have sex other than with your own hand there is theoretically the possibility of risk. But there has never been a confirmed case of HIV transmission to a guy getting sucked. It's safe to say you won't make history by becoming the first. The CDC is just being cautious with the theoretical risk aspect and covering itself. Getting oral is absolutely not a risk for transmission. As for giving oral, longterm studies negate risk with that as well.
You've been around here long enough to know where we stand. We're not about to get into a back and forth with you about what you are reading on other sites.
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Firstly, i want to thank andy and ann for all their effort that they have put in into this meaningful and resourceful forum/website.
I know that oral sex is NO risk, regardless if it is insertive or receptive.
But, im really concerned, why is HIV cases still on the rise? Im sure the whole world's HIV cases are rising.
No offense intended, are your informations up to date? Maybe there are actually people who got HIV through getting a blowjob but the mods here might not be aware.
Im deeply concerned, as im worried that people might be misled.
Thanks yet again.
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Yes the information on this forum is up to date. Now move along.
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
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You're straying off of your role here. It's to bring a question about something you're concerned about and get answers. You've done that and we've more than fully answered your questions. I have deleted the thread you began with the same above remarks. Please follow our rule and keep any entries you have to make in this same thread.
Your what ifs and doubts and worries about oral sex are something for you to indulge in if you choose. We're not here to spend time dealing with that. We answer questions about specific incidents.
You are free to look elsewhere if you haven't found the answers you have received to be useful to you.
Ann has already warned you about coming back about non-risk issues. You're just at the edge of getting a Time Out for 28 days.
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I would like to ask, if a girl has a bleeding wound in her mouth and she gave person A a blowjob, who will be at the risk? Her or person A?
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A guy is never at risk for HIV transmission from getting a blowjob. There's never been a single case of infection confirmed in that manner.
As for the person giving it with an openly bleeding wound, the risk if any is theoretical. Saliva contains over a dozen elements and proteins which are very effective in preventing the transmission of viable HIV. Still, if someone has a fresh wound it hardly seems to be the moment to be giving oral. There are other STDs and they are much easier to acquire than HIV.
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no,
Hiv is still on the rise because people are still having anal and/or vaginal intercourse without using condoms. It has nothing to do with oral sex of any kind.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
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Hi all.
I would like to ask, if someone has gono/clam, and he is being exposed to unprotected oral sex. What is the possibility of him getting HIV through unprotected oral sex? Is it still a non risk situation?
Thank you!
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The possible presence of either of those other illnesses would not change the bottom line: receiving oral sex is not a risk for HIV. Period.
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Thanks for the prompt reply andy!
Im asking this question because im suspecting myself of having gono.
So im really worried about contracting HIV from the unprotected oral sex i had months ago.
HIV IS REALLY SCARY! :(
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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
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Even if you had/have other STDs, that would not change the HIV-science based reality that HIV is absolutely not passed through receiving oral sex. Period. End of story.
You are very quickly going to find yourself with another Time Out if you continue to pursue this non-risk issue here.
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Hi,
I would like to ask, regarding the studies that you had used as references for proving that receiving blowjobs are not a risk for transmission of HIV, the participants in the studies only had blowjobs and no other sexual activities? Im just asking because I realized that it is hard to determine if receiving blowjobs are risky as normally people dont just have blowjobs alone.
And lastly, what makes a case a 'documented' one?
If there is just plain claiming from a guy that he had contracted HIV from receiving blowjobs ALONE, it will not be counted as a documented case? If this is so, what has to be done/present in order to classify it as a documented case?
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NO,
There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.
A documented case of hiv transmission is where the virus of the newly infected person matches the virus of the suspected source. They are matched by genotype etc.
No, patient report does not qualify as a documented case of transmission.
If you cannot bring yourself to believe us that getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection, go test and collect your negative result. Then make an appointment with a counsellor or therapist to discuss you hiv phobia. We cannot help you with that here.
I'm giving you a second time out as there are only so many times we will tell you that you got a no risk blowjob and to get over it already. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.
Ann
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I went to a massage parlour for a massage and the massue started to finger my anus. After which i asked her and realized she has a cut on her finger.
Am i at risk?
I heard that the anus is a very weak and vulnerable spot, so with the friction of fingering and the presence of a cut, will it result in the transmission of HIV?
Hope you guys will enlighten me, thank you.
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*post modified to:
Please return to your original thread. Your questions will not be answered until you do so. However, I can state with certainty that this question has been answered in the "long time" that you have been reading these forums. Combined with your skepticism regarding AIDSMEDS transmission lessons, I cannot imagine that we can be of any real further assistance. I respectfully withdraw from the discussion.
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Once again your latest thread has been merged with your old one. As we have told you previously the rule of the site is for you to keep all of your entries in one same thread.
The anus is a vulnerable spot but not for a finger that has some sort of cut or scratch on it. It's vulnerable as is the vagina to intercourse. Unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse are the only confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV. Fingering, no matter what spin you put on it is not such a risk.
I suppose that theoretically if someone sliced there finger and then immediately inserted it in your anus there would be a risk. But that hardly seems the circumstance under which you would be having your anus fingered.
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I am asking the question without the intention of getting another time out.
But my mind keep churning out thoughts that provokes my inner fear of contracting HIV.
As my anus was being fingered, im worried that the nails might be too sharp that it breaks my anus's skin which in turn will result the lady's cut to have direct contact and there will be blood penetrating the fragile anus wall.
I regretted letting the lady finger my anus, so much...
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You just assured yourself another time out for another no risk issue.
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No,
You've been coming here long enough to know the answer to your latest NO RISK scenario.
You've already had two time outs and so I have no choice but to permanently ban you. Any attempt to create a new account to get around your ban will result in the new account also being banned.
I suggest you seek mental health counselling. We cannot help you with that here.
Ann