questions about soap

[roger757]

hello nearly 6 months ago now i had protected sex with a prostitute in central london, i had a fourth generation hiv test at 105 days which came back negative and then again another hiv test in a different hospital at 5 months, that came back negative as well but im not sure if the test i took at 5 months was third generation or fourth generation, i have read online that it can sometimes take up to 6 months for hiv to be detected, do you think i need to retest and what do you think the odds are that i contracted hiv from my experience with the prostitute, i know it was protected but i am still concerned, thank you.

[Jeff G]

Please read the posting guidelines before you post and only post in this one thread no matter how long its been or subject matter . Go to your profile and select show own post and it will take you here .

The testing window period is 6weeks past an possible exposure and again at 3 months for a conclusive result .

You are HIV negative and the test you took are reliable .

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED HIV TESTING AT THIS TIME for this incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than HIV. Some of the other STDs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid HIV infection. It really is that simple!

[roger757]

thank you for your response, had it been with a girl who wasnt a prostitute i would have been a lot less anxious, i was drunk and regretted it immediately, i have done a lot of research on the topic and i read that whilst it is unlikely to contract hiv with protected sex it is still possible depending on the viral load and the fact that it could seep through the condom, i have had hepatititis b and c test aswell which luckily also came back negative, would you please inform me on the window period after the incident of contracting hiv as i have read in some places online that 3 months is sufficient but others say that it can take up to 6 months for a conclusive result, thank you.

[Jeff G]

The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Most who are infected will test positive by 6 weeks. For various reasons a small number will take longer and that is why we follow the CDC recommendation to test at 3 months for a conclusive negative result.

You have tested way beyond the window period and you DO NOT have HIV .

[Ann]

Roger,

I don't know where you've been getting your (mis)information (nor do I want to), but little of what you've read elsewhere has been correct.

1. The hiv testing window for a conclusive negative result is three months and has been for quite a few years now. It doesn't matter what generation of test is used. This means you were conclusively hiv negative when you tested at 105 days.

No surprise there as you did NOT have a risk.

2. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. The hiv positive person's viral load is irrelevant, and hiv does NOT "seep" through condoms.

There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

had it been with a girl who wasnt a prostitute i would have been a lot less anxious,

You only need to feel anxious about hiv if you're having UNprotected intercourse with ANYONE. That includes any girlfriends/boyfriends, unless you've tested together in the context of a monogamous relationship - after three months of monogamy.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

[roger757]

Hello, I would like to say thank you to both of you for replying to my question, I just have one more and that will be it, a couple of years ago I was diagnosed with bipolar and as a result of that I have to take sodium valproate and olanzapine every day, is there a chance that this medication would mean it may take longer for hiv antibodies to appear in my body and who are the type of people whose hiv antibodies would take longer to appear, thank you

[Jeff G]

The medications you are on will not effect HIV testing or antibody production in any way .

You are HIV negative and can now move on .

[Ann]

Roger,

The only people who might take a bit longer than three months to seroconvert and test positive are those who are currently taking chemotherapy or other treatments for cancer, or on anti-rejection drugs following organ transplant, or those who have been injecting street drugs, every day, for years.

Even these people will normally test positive by three months, and definitely will have tested positive by five months, which is when you had your last test.

hello nearly 6 months ago now i had protected sex with a prostitute in central london,

YOU NEVER HAD A RISK IN THE FIRST PLACE. PROTECTED INTERCOURSE IS NOT A RISK FOR HIV INFECTION.

You do NOT have hiv. If you feel unwell, see a doctor to find out what is actually going on. Whatever that may be, you have already ruled hiv completely and conclusively out of the picture.

If you still cannot accept the fact that you DO NOT have hiv, then perhaps it's time to see a mental health professional to get to the bottom of why you cannot let this go. We cannot help you with that here.

Ann

[roger757]

Hello in one message i previously read Andy Velez said the following regarding this incident

"There was no risk whatsoever. A stewardess could have been having her period on your food and someone could have been hemorraghing on it and it still wouldn't have been a risk.

HIV is a fragile virus and is not transmitted on environmental surfaces. There is absolutely no cause for further concern on your part. End of story"

I was wandering what the hiv risk would be from cunnilingus performed on a woman whilst she is on her period thus resulting in a considerable amount of blood entering the mouth or another incident where one would consume food which had hiv infected blood in it: also if there was a considerable amount of blood in the food, thank you in advance for your response.

[Joe K]

roger,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions.  It helps us, to help you, when you keep everything in one thread.  It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Hello in one message i previously read Andy Velez said the following regarding this incident

"There was no risk whatsoever. A stewardess could have been having her period on your food and someone could have been hemorraghing on it and it still wouldn't have been a risk.

HIV is a fragile virus and is not transmitted on environmental surfaces. There is absolutely no cause for further concern on your part. End of story"

I was wandering what the hiv risk would be from cunnilingus performed on a woman whilst she is on her period thus resulting in a considerable amount of blood entering the mouth or another incident where one would consume food which had hiv infected blood in it: also if there was a considerable amount of blood in the food, thank you in advance for your response.

Andy and Ann have already told you the truth, so stop changing the facts to ask the same question repeatedly.  Also, we are here to assess ACTUAL HIV RISK, of which you have had: NONE, so please stop wasting our time with your "what-if" scenarios.

DO NOT post anything unless it involves an actual risk you have personally experienced.

[roger757]

The message that i read that Andy wrote was not specifically directed to me, i just read it as i was looking at other people's posts and i have personally experienced a situation like this as i did perform cunnilingus on a woman whilst she was on her period and blood entered my mouth, i just want to know why consuming blood is not viewed as a risk, once this is explained to me and not someone else i will not post anymore. thank you

[Jeff G]

You have tested negative for HIV and have been told not to post outside of this thread twice now .

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

[Joe K]

The message that i read that Andy wrote was not specifically directed to me, i just read it as i was looking at other people's posts and i have personally experienced a situation like this as i did perform cunnilingus on a woman whilst she was on her period and blood entered my mouth, i just want to know why consuming blood is not viewed as a risk, once this is explained to me and not someone else i will not post anymore. thank you

Roger,

Here is your personal explanation: HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

The science is the same for everyone.

Joe

[roger757]

I have two scenarios and was wandering if either would pose a risk, 1 if i used a bar of soap to bath myself that an hiv positive person had used on their genital area, would this pose a risk if i cleaned my anus and penis with this bar of soap and the second scenario is if i used soap which had fallen in the toilet water and i still used this soap to clean my genital area would either of these pose a risk thank you.

[RapidRod]

I have two scenarios and was wandering if either would pose a risk, 1 if i used a bar of soap to bath myself that an hiv positive person had used on their genital area, would this pose a risk if i cleaned my anus and penis with this bar of soap and the second scenario is if i used soap which had fallen in the toilet water and i still used this soap to clean my genital area would either of these pose a risk thank you.

No it would not be a risk.

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.
   
HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug users
Mother to child

[roger757]

thank you for the fast response, and would it be the same answer if it wasnt a bar of soap that fell in the toilet but one of those bottle dispensers of soap like the carex soap as toilet water could have got in the bottle but it wouldnt really be exposed to air or is it such an indirect route that it just wouldnt be possible, one final thing is i paid i think 15 dollars for a 3 month prescription to post on these forums, will the payment be automatically taken again in 3 months or is it a one off fee, and i do understand even though ive paid it doesnt mean i can just write on this forum whenever an irrational thought enters my mind, thanks

[RapidRod]

thank you for the fast response, and would it be the same answer if it wasnt a bar of soap that fell in the toilet but one of those bottle dispensers of soap like the carex soap as toilet water could have got in the bottle but it wouldnt really be exposed to air or is it such an indirect route that it just wouldnt be possible, one final thing is i paid i think 15 dollars for a 3 month prescription to post on these forums, will the payment be automatically taken again in 3 months or is it a one off fee, and i do understand even though ive paid it doesnt mean i can just write on this forum whenever an irrational thought enters my mind, thanks

Reread the reply above how HIV is transmitted.

[Ann]

Roger,

ONCE AGAIN I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Hiv from soap? Seriously? Grow up. You've been told several times now how hiv IS transmitted and it has nothing to do with soap. Use a condom when you fuck and you won't have to worry about hiv. It's that damn simple.

Ann