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Title: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 05, 2010, 02:48:22 am
Hello,
About 5 weeks back I had sex with a CSW. the intercourse was straight and I had a latex condom on from the beginning till the end. Now over the last two weeks strange symptoms have started appearing. I got a strange looking rash between my inner thighs and scrotum. I went to see a doctor and he said that it was a fungal infection and prescribed me some cream and tablet. Also I have been feeling dizzy and feel pain in my joints and general tiredness and diahrrea bouts. I have not had any night sweats or enlarged lymph nodes. Although I have gone through the literature and this is a low risk situation but somehow I belive that I might be experiencing ARS. The condom did not break or slip off during the intercourse, however, i have read some articles which state that condoms provide upto 85% prevention from HIV. So please elaborate whether I could have got hiv from this incident. I would like Ann and Andy's advice on this one
Thanks.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 05, 2010, 02:50:10 am
And I forgot to mention that I have a blister in my mouth which has not gone away over the last two weeks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: RapidRod on December 05, 2010, 05:26:45 am
At no time did you have a risk of contracting HIV in the situation you've provided.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 05, 2010, 07:23:13 am
Thanks for the reply Rapid. But could u clarify that why are latex condoms 85% effective even when used correctly and consistently. Does this take into consideration that the condom was not broken, there was no slippage, it was latex, and was used way b4 its expiry date? Also the symptoms are making me go crazy.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: RapidRod on December 05, 2010, 07:45:41 am
Condom are 100% effective when used correctly and consistently.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on December 05, 2010, 09:24:05 am
aa,

You did not have a risk for hiv infection. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection.

There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv as you did not have a risk.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS PROTECTED INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 06, 2010, 07:54:36 am
Hello,
Great to hear from the experts and all the reassurances. However, still wanted to share that I have been experiencing body aches and body stiffness and other problems that I mentioned in my earlier post. If Ann or Andy could elaborate on why the cdc and fda claim that effectiveness of latex condom is 85%.
Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: RapidRod on December 06, 2010, 08:10:35 am
http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm)
Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Including HIV Infection, Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In addition, consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including diseases transmitted by genital secretions, and to a lesser degree, genital ulcer diseases. Condom use may reduce the risk for genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infection and HPV-associated diseases, e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer.

Laboratory studies have demonstrated that latex condoms provide an essentially impermeable barrier to particles the size of STD pathogens.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 07, 2010, 04:54:06 am
Hello,
Although I was not drunk and recall that the condom did not break and was latex, however, the fatigue, weakness in joints and limbs, and dizziness is making me go nuts. I think that i might have contracted the virus. I plan on taking the HIV 4th generation test. Today is the 36th day after the encounter? should i take the test now or should i wait till the end of the 6th week to put my mind at ease. And how reliable are tests after 36 days. Please shed some light on it.
Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on December 07, 2010, 06:34:10 am
aa,

Where there has been an actual risk (you did not have a risk), one should test no sooner than six weeks. The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six weeks, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. Where there has been an actual risk (you did not have a risk) a six week negative must be confirmed at the three month point.

You can test when you like and as often as you like, but you will not end up hiv positive over this protected encounter. You will not be permitted to use this website to go on and on about your NO RISK incident.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 09, 2010, 05:22:45 am
Hello All,
Yesterday i noticed that the lymph nodes in my groin were enlarged and that you could actually feel by touching the groin area. Also the weakness coupled with the joint pain has terrified me. Please tell me what this might be if its not HIV?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: RapidRod on December 09, 2010, 05:52:01 am
   Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Matty the Damned on December 09, 2010, 05:53:25 am
Hello All,
Yesterday i noticed that the lymph nodes in my groin were enlarged and that you could actually feel by touching the groin area. Also the weakness coupled with the joint pain has terrified me. Please tell me what this might be if its not HIV?
Thanks.

We are not able to diagnose your condition over the internet. No one is able to do such a thing. We can tell you on the basis of what you've reported that you were not at risk of HIV infection and therefore whatever is making you ill, it's not HIV.

If you are feeling ill, please consult your doctor.

You have been told that you will not be allowed to use this forum to go on endlessly about non-risk situations. Post about this again and you riskl being given a 28 day time out.

Consider yourself warned.

MtD
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on December 11, 2010, 11:09:14 am
Okay I have some good news to share. I tested for HIV on the 39th day of my encounter and the result came today as NEGATIVE. It was a fourth generation Combo Abbot HIV test. Just wanted to share with everyone!!! :)
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on December 11, 2010, 02:35:55 pm
aa,

No big surprise there. You never had a risk and you do not need further testing. You are conclusively hiv negative.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 04, 2011, 08:28:29 am
Okay,
I was stupid and today i again had a sexual encounter with a CSW. however, as soon as i inserted my penis into her vagina, the condom popped and i immediately withdrew my penis from her. I am very scared, should i go for PEP? whats the risk situation? I asked the CSW if she always used condoms, she said that usually she does use condoms, however, if the customers persist then she has had sex without condoms. Please tell me what to do?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on January 04, 2011, 09:30:48 am
Even if she is HIV+, what you have described is a very low level risk which I would not consider something that warrants PEP. PEP uses very potent drugs which are not to be taken casually by the way.

HIV is a fragile virus and it is significantly more difficult to transmit from female to male than the other way around. You had a single and very brief possible exposure. All of that points to it not being something for which PEP is indicated, but of course you have to decide for yourself whether to request that or not.

As a precaution you ought to test at 13 weeks to confirm your negative status. I would certainly expect you to test negative. You can if you wish test at 6 weeks for an initial result. A negative at that point is a very strong indication that you will continue to test negative.

You also need to be aware that PEP extends the testing period to 13 weeks from the completion of PEP.

Again, I think you'll come through this ok without doing PEP.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 04, 2011, 10:20:16 am
aa,

PEP is not indicated for such a brief insertive incident with a person of unknown hiv status.

Make sure you read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly. A correctly used condom rarely breaks.

The two leading causes of condom breakage are 1) not making sure there is no air-bubble in the tip of the condom. This is most likely what happened to you. 2) Not using enough or any water-based lube.

You would be wise to test at the three month point, but like Andy, I fully expect you to test negative. I've yet to see the insertive partner end up positive over a condom break. I don't expect you to be the first.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 04, 2011, 10:24:27 am
I am sad, depressed and angry for exposing myself to such a stupid situation. However, Andy and your words have shown me some ray of hope. Ann, Could you please elaborate that u have not seen any one turn positive when one is inserting the penis. I don't want to sound rude....but how many incidents can u recall in this type of situation? and has anyone turned positive like this?

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 04, 2011, 10:29:01 am
aa,

I'm talking about my nearly ten years experience in answering questions in the Am I Infected forum. I've lost count of how many hundreds we've had who have come here asking questions following being the insertive partner whose condom broke. None of them ultimately tested positive.

The reason for this is what Andy already told you; hiv is much more difficult to transmit from the receptive partner (or woman) to the insertive partner (or man). This is because hiv can only infect a very few, very specific cells. The only place these cells are found on the penis is in the lining of the urethra (where you pee from) or the inner side of the foreskin if you have one.

I fully expect you to test negative, PEP or no PEP.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 04, 2011, 10:34:44 am
I am circumcised. But Ann can u recall anyone who has experienced something like what i did and might have turn positive and did not actually post on the forum.

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 04, 2011, 10:55:36 am
aa,

I have NEVER seen ANYONE ANYWHERE who was the insertive partner end up positive following a condom break. I do not expect you to be the first.

You need to move on and get productively busy until it's time to test. You really only need to test for your own peace of mind.

Please don't continue posting over this same incident. Our answers are not going to change and there is nothing more to tell you.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 06, 2011, 08:40:35 am
Hi,
So i requested the CSW to take the HIV test. she has no idea what HIV is!!! anyways we went to the lab yesterday and today the result came back negative for hiv for the csw. the test was performed using a fourth gen Abbot combo test. I know that this does not necessarily eliminate the possibility of being hiv infected coz she might be in her window period. however, this negative has given me some confidence that may be i am going to be alright.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on January 06, 2011, 09:11:32 am
aa,

I have NEVER seen ANYONE ANYWHERE who was the insertive partner end up positive following a condom break. I do not expect you to be the first.

You need to move on and get productively busy until it's time to test. You really only need to test for your own peace of mind.

Please don't continue posting over this same incident. Our answers are not going to change and there is nothing more to tell you.

Ann

I refer you back to Ann's above comments which cover the matter.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 09, 2011, 05:19:37 am
Hello,
I know this is a HIV specific forum but I have no where else to turn to. My question is how long do i have to wait to get tested for chlamydia and gonorrhea? I would really appreciate if some one could help me with that.

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Matty the Damned on January 09, 2011, 05:46:52 am
Hello,
I know this is a HIV specific forum but I have no where else to turn to. My question is how long do i have to wait to get tested for chlamydia and gonorrhea? I would really appreciate if some one could help me with that.

Thanks

The testing window period for chlamydia is less than 1 week for urine PCR testing and culture swab. For syphilis the window period is 3 months.

Interpreting test results for both of these conditions is somewhat complicated and outside of the scope of this forum

We will not answer any further non-HIV related questions from you so please do not ask.

MtD
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 09, 2011, 08:28:52 am
aa,

Most of the other STIs can be tested for a week to ten days after a risky incident, or sooner if a discharge appears. You need to know that some STIs do not produce noticeable symptoms in everyone. Up to 60% of men and women who have been infected with chlamydia, for example, never have any symptoms. Therefore, it is always a good idea to test after an unprotected encounter, no matter how brief.

While you were at much higher risk of being infected with something like chlamydia, you were at very low risk of being infected with hiv due to this broken condom. I do not expect you to test hiv positive over this.

Now you just need to relax and get productively busy until it's time for you to test. And as Matty says, no more non-hiv questions, PLEASE!!!

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 09, 2011, 01:49:15 pm
Thanks, Matty the damned and Ann. You have clarified my questions regarding other STI's. I was pretty much satisfied that i did not contract HIV from the broken condom incident from your reply that you have never seen an insertive partner test positive for HIV, couples with the fact that the CSW tested negative. However, your current reply has again fed some fears inside me although I am not too terrified.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 10, 2011, 09:39:32 am
Hi Ann,
Since you said that you have never seen an insertive partner turn positive after a condom break and the fact that the CSW tested negative on the 4th gen duo/combo test, do I need to test or should i forget about it and relax?

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 10, 2011, 10:09:26 am
aa,

You cannot go by the test results of another person to determine your own hiv status.

Have you ever tested before? If not, you should definitely test. You should test over this incident anyway, just to be absolutely sure of your status. Hiv status is nothing to guess about.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 10, 2011, 10:18:21 am
Yes Ann, I have been tested before. I am a sexually active person and the condom has never failed on me until now. Anyways i was last tested for HIV on 14th december 2010 and it was negative. The test was a fourth generation Abbot combo test for HIV 1 & 2. Anyways I hope and pray that I come out of this okay!!!!!
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on January 10, 2011, 10:34:26 am
...And we do expect you to come out of this ok.

Meantime while you are waiting to test you need to make a real effort to focus on other matters in your life. Doing that will make the waiting time go more easily than you may imagine is possible. Really.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 26, 2011, 08:45:19 am
Hello,
As you guys know that on the 4th of jan this year I had a very brief broken condom incident with a female CSW. It was straight vaginal sex, myself being the insertive partner. Anyways It is almost 4 weeks from that encounter, I was wondering that whether I should test after a month or 6 weeks. I also had the CSW tested for HIV usiing a 4th gen Abbott test and she was negative what do u think that my chances of turning positive would be? I am asking this becoz i was negative before this encounter and i am feeling some symptoms. If anyone would clarify I would be grateful.

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on January 26, 2011, 08:55:04 am
You've already been told that someone else's test result is not the basis for you to know your own HIV status.

Wait until 6 weeks to get tested. Assuming you test negative as I expect you will, then in all likelihood with this low-level risk you had, you will continue to test negative at 13 weeks.

Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 26, 2011, 09:03:22 am
Andy,
What confuses me is that why cannot one judge one's status from someone else's status afterall it is some one being positive that one ends up being positive. I am reliably negative before this broken condom incident and the prostitute was negative one day after my incident. I just wanted something that could evaluate the risk that I have had. I hope i am making some sense.

Regards
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 26, 2011, 01:36:31 pm
aa,

You can never go by someone else's hiv status to determine your own for the simple fact that the other person may have been in the window period when they were tested.

For example, for argument's sake, lets say the sex worker had been infected two or three weeks before your incident. Her viral load would be very high at this point, making her very infectious, but an antibody test would still likely come back negative. A p24 antigen may also come back negative at this point as the p24 antigen disappears in the first two to three weeks, and sometimes before enough antibodies have been produced to trigger a positive antibody result.

The ONLY way to accurately know your own hiv status is to test at the appropriate time - which is at six weeks and three months (for a six week negative confirmation).

Even if the sex worker was newly infected, you are still highly likely to test negative over a broken condom.

I fully expect you to test negative, but you do need to test to make sure.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on January 27, 2011, 08:31:19 am
And you have never seen/heard of an insertive partner turn positive after condom break incident ever?

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on January 27, 2011, 12:01:51 pm
aa,

I will have been a member of these forums for ten years in March and I have NEVER seen the insertive partner end up positive following a condom break. Never. I've never heard of it happening outside these forums either.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on February 02, 2011, 04:47:51 am
Hello Ann,
I was going through the "Tested Positive Recently" forum and I found a post by "ThatsAll" claiming to end up positive after a one time condom break. Now this has me all petrified, kindly comment on whether this could be the case as u have said that in your more than 10 years of experience u have never seen anyone end up positive after a condom break.

Regards,
Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on February 02, 2011, 06:08:41 am
AA,

That person has not yet had their positive result confirmed. It could easily be a false positive. We also do not know his prior testing history. He could have been positive for years from another exposure and not know it because he never tested until he learned his partner was poz.

You need to get a grip, relax, and stay off the internet until it's time for you to test. It's not our job to hold your hand during your window period. If you need extra emotional support, get counselling.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on February 04, 2011, 10:23:02 am
Hello,
Since yesterday I have had a blister at left side of the back of my throat and the lymph node in my neck is swollen. I also have tiny red spots on the left side of my tongue and it hurts for me to swallow food. I know that sore throat is one of the main symptoms of ARS. Also I have had tiny red spots on my legs and one discolored/white spot about 1 cm on my thigh. Since yesterday I am having loose stools, about three so far. I have not had fever or high temperature, however, I am extremely scared that I am experiencing ARS. To be exact today is the 31st day since the broken condom incident. Please tell me whether this is HIV related? Also I cannot wait till the end of the sixth week and I plan on taking the 4th gen combo test on the 34th day after my encounter. How reliable would that be? What would be the chances that I am actually negative?
I cant believe that life could be so unfair that i am infect after one broken condom incident-that too only for a max of 5 seconds-and that the CSW tested positive on a 4th generation hiv combo test. Help me out here...plzz!!!
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on February 04, 2011, 11:03:25 am
aa,

The chances of you testing negative are huge, as we've been telling you since you first arrived here.

Blisters are not a feature of the sore throat that occasionally accompanies seroconversion. See your doctor. It's not hiv causing your symptoms.

As you should already know if you've been reading our replies, a 34 day test is not conclusive but would be a good indication that you will continue to test negative - which is the result I'm expecting.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on February 07, 2011, 06:39:43 am
Hello,
I went for an HIV fourth generation combo test (HIV 1 & 2) yesterday and today I got the results which is NEGATIVE. All you experts out there, how reassuring can this test be considering the fact that as soon as the condom popped i withdrew my penis. Secondly the CSW was tested using the same 4th gen HIV combo test and she was negative too. And thirdly my negative result 33 days after the encounter.

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on February 07, 2011, 08:55:36 am
aa,

Get a grip. We've been telling you since you first turned up here that you are highly unlikely to test positive.

Keep up with this incessant crap and I'll give you a time out, window period or no window period.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on February 26, 2011, 05:13:36 am
I tested again on the 52nd day after my encounter and dot a negative on a fourth generation test.

Regards
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on February 26, 2011, 07:35:30 am
aa,

52 days is nearly seven and a half weeks. I do not expect your result to change when you confirm at three months.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on August 19, 2011, 02:59:33 pm
So once again I fucked up.. This time it was with a Turkish CSW. During sexual intercourse my condom broke, however, i withdrew immediately and changed the condom and finished. Now I know that the usual drill is to wait atleast 6 weeks before I go for a HIV test. Kindly tell me what are my chances of contracting HIV from this Incident. Plz help me, Iam freaking out!!!

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: RapidRod on August 19, 2011, 03:03:08 pm
Reread the replies you have already been given.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on August 19, 2011, 03:26:49 pm
Given the details you have reported the likelihood of transmission during that incident is very, very unlikely.

Testing is really more just to be sure but I certainly expect you will test negative based on what you have told us.

Meantime get busy with other things. That will help the waiting time to pass much more easily.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on August 20, 2011, 12:32:10 am
Should I go for PEP keeping in view that the maximum time that i remained inside her was 2-3 seconds. I would like to have Ann and Andy's input on this.

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on August 20, 2011, 12:19:04 pm
No, this incident as you have reported it absolutely would not be one for which PEP is indicated.

I am also going to warn you about starting a whole new cycle of what ifs over an extremely low level risk incident. We're not going to indulge you in that. For you getting tested is mainly for your peace of mind and not because you had a for real risk.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on August 20, 2011, 01:03:48 pm
aa,

You do not need PEP over this brief, insertive incident.

I urge you to re-read your entire thread, like Rodney suggested.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on August 21, 2011, 08:37:47 am
Hi Ann,
A couple of cases on the "I just Tested Poz" forum claim that they got infected due to broken condom. Could you clarify whether they had experienced a broken condom where the penis was withdrawn immediately or they realized after ejaculation? Also what does your experience say about me getting tested and coming out Negative?

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on August 21, 2011, 09:15:43 am
aa,

I have yet to see the insertive partner end up positive over a condom break, in over ten years of being on this forum.

I suggest you stay out of forums where you do not belong and obviously do not understand half of what you're reading.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 02, 2011, 05:15:37 am
Hello All,
A few days ago i noticed discharge from my penis and was given cefixime 400 mg and Azithromycin 1g + 7 day course of Vibramycin twice a day for treatment. However, after taking the medicine I started getting bouts of diahhrea and headaches a few red pimples on the arm and on the back. I have not noticed any high temperatures or fever, or enlarged lymph nodes. Could this be seroconversion or just a reaction to taking these antibiotics. Also I know that symptoms are no way an indication of HIV but could u tell me which are the BIG 3 signs of seroconversion. Today is exactly the 14th day after I had a broken condom incident. I am scared and confused of the outcome of this particular episode. Kindly guide me through this.

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on September 02, 2011, 07:47:01 am
aa,

There are no "BIG THREE" signs of seroconversion. ARS is flu-like and there is nothing specific about it.

Diarrhea is common with antibiotic use. Stop reading things into it.

Once again, you are highly unlikely to end up hiv positive following a condom break as the insertive partner. Chill out already!

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 05, 2011, 02:46:59 pm
Hello Ann and Andy,
I must say that you guys are doing a wonderful job. It is exactly 17 days since I experienced a condom break with a CSW. Today I have started feeling dizzy and slight headaches and also slightly irritated throat. I am not experiencing any fever and to the best of my knowledge I do not have enlarged lymph nodes. Could this be sero conversion? Also what are the chances me coming out of this incident alright?

Thanks a lot,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on September 05, 2011, 02:50:01 pm
Your "symptoms" are not in anyway HIV specific. Not even remotely so.

We continue to expect you to test negative when you test over an incident which was a very minimal risk. In the meantime you need to make a real effort to focus on other things in your life. It will make the waiting time to test pass much more easily than you may imagine is possible. Really. And don't bother saying you are too worried to do that, because I can tell you that response won't fly here.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 07, 2011, 09:14:15 am
Help!!!!
I have been experiencing light headaches and extreme dizziness during the day and it is making it difficult to concentrate on my work. So far I have not experienced any high fevers. However, the extreme dizziness and muscle aches is making it very hard to get through the day. Please help me...I hope it is not the signs of seroconversion. Ann, could you plz point out in all honesty whether you have heard of anyone getting infected through broken condom as an insertive partner. I will be grateful if you could help me through this. Also how accurate would be an antibody/antigen test be at 20 days past exposure?


aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on September 07, 2011, 09:31:40 am
aa,

We have repeatedly answered your questions. Re-read your entire thread. The same information that we gave you the last time you experienced a condom break applies in this instance too.

You need to read through the condom and lube links in my signature line. If you're having this many break on you, you're obviously not using them correctly. A correctly used condom RARELY breaks - and I do mean rarely.

I warned you back in February that if you insisted on continuing with this hysterical crap, you'd be given a time out, window period or no window period. That warning still stands.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 12, 2011, 10:18:57 am
Hello,
     After going through many of the posts from the respected and very knowledgeable moderators Ann and Andy that the average seroconversion time is 22 days I got myself tested on the 21st day after my broken condom incident. I had been going through many symptoms including a pharyngitis (diagnosed by my doctor), very enlarged lymph nodes in the neck and head, extreme weakness and dizziness that was making it hard for me to get through the day and pressure in the head. The test was a fourth gen test checking for antibodies of both HIV1 and HIV2 and the p24 antigen and it came back NEGATIVE.
    I realize that the earliest that I should have tested was 6 weeks but reading a post where jjrrgg22 tested positive after three weeks and very suggestive symptoms, I could not wait and got tested.
I have two questions:
1)If I am going through seroconversion for atleast one week and am infected would the test indicate atleast indeterminate?
2)Although 4th gen test is not conclusive till the end of three months...can i relax to some extent with this negative under my belt?

Thanks
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on September 12, 2011, 10:30:56 am
aa,

1. Yes, if your illness had anything to do with hiv, you'd probably test indeterminate, if not positive.

2. Any negative result is a good result, but yes, you will need to confirm at three months.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 12, 2011, 10:33:18 am
Thanks Ann. What about the presence of p24 antigen at this point in time?
Also when they say that average seroconversion time is 22 days only, is it with 4th generation or 3rd gen tests?
Lastly when you say average, does that mean 50%?


Thanks a bunch
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on September 12, 2011, 10:50:08 am
aa,

You can find the definition of the word average here (http://www.google.im/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGLL_en-GBIM397IM397&q=average&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=whhuTr2kIYip8QPEpMC_BA&ved=0CBMQkQ4).

The p24 antigen is only present in the first couple weeks of infection. It starts to disappear as antibodies are made.

As far as I am aware, 1st and 2nd generation hiv tests are no longer being manufactured. 3rd and 4th generation tests will normally pick up an infection within four to six weeks, and often earlier.

You need to get busy with other things in your life. The time when it is appropriate to test will come much quicker if you're not dwelling on it 24/7. All the fretting in the world won't change the ultimate outcome.

As we have told you time and time again, you are highly unlikely to end up positive when being the insertive partner and having a condom break. So chill out! I do not expect your negative result to change.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 17, 2011, 07:38:00 am
Hello,
Just for information purposes when you say that the average seroconversion time is 22 days does that imply that the average time to test positive on an antibody test is 22 days after exposure.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on September 17, 2011, 07:49:58 am
aa,

Yes. Seroconversion means the blood (sero, the root of the word serum, which is basically another way to say blood) has converted from hiv negative to hiv positive.

As I've said to you before - You need to get busy with other things in your life. The time when it is appropriate to test will come much quicker if you're not dwelling on it 24/7. All the fretting in the world won't change the ultimate outcome.

As we have told you time and time again, you are highly unlikely to end up positive when being the insertive partner and having a condom break. So chill out! I do not expect your negative result to change.

I warned you back in February that if you insisted on continuing with this hysterical crap, you'd be given a time out, window period or no window period. That warning still stands.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 26, 2011, 09:45:19 am
Hello,
I got tested on a 4th generation hiv duo test 37 days after my broken condom incident and it came back negative!!

Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on September 26, 2011, 09:54:35 am
That's good. And no surprise. We expect you to continue to test negative at 3 months because your risk was so minimal.  Meantime while waiting to test for a conclusive result you need to make a real effort to focus on other matters in your life.

And don't bother saying you're too worried to do that because I can tell you that kind of response is not going to fly here. Just do it. 
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on September 26, 2011, 10:04:44 am
Does this negative 37 days post exposure give me some confidence even if my risk was not so minimal?

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on September 26, 2011, 10:25:29 am
The average time to seroconversion iss 22 days. And all but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after a risk.

So the obvious answer is "yes" to your question. No cut out the drama and get on with other things. I expect you to continue to test negative.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on October 05, 2011, 08:15:13 am
Hi,
This is 47th day after my broken condom incident and previously I have a negative hiv duo test result done on the 37th day of my exposure. I am having a very bad case of mouth blisters nothing like I have experienced before and I think it might be symptoms of ARS. Do you think that my 37th day negative on a 4th generation test is a good indicator of me being positive? Also what do u think about the validity of reports that say that a 4th gen hiv duo test is very very reliable after 28 days? I will be grateful if Ann or Andy could address my concerns.

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on October 05, 2011, 08:38:25 am
Yes, a negative at 37 days with a 4th generation test is a strong indication that you are likely to continue to test negative at 3 months.

While you are waiting for a conclusive result at 3 months you need to make a concerted effort to direct your attention to other things in your life. It will make the waiting time pass much more easily than you may imagine is possible. And don't bother saying you're too worried to do that because that response is not going to fly here. Just do it. 
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on October 05, 2011, 08:44:12 am
Could Ann also respond to this thread.

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on October 05, 2011, 09:45:55 am
aa,

I also do not expect your negative result to change.

Re-read your entire thread. If you do, you'll see that you have been repeatedly told that you are highly unlikely to end up positive as the insertive partner when a condom breaks.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on October 06, 2011, 02:18:16 pm
Dear Ann,
Could you comment on statements that HIV duo test being very very reliable after a month? I know its not conclusive but can we say that it is close to 95% accurate after lets say 5 weeks?

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on October 06, 2011, 04:34:27 pm
At this point I am ignoring your question and going to warn you are on the verge of getting a Time Out from the site. You've been told that we expect you to test negative. We're not going play guessing games with percentages at 5 weeks or anymore of that iffy stuff.

Suck it up and wait for your test result. Really.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on October 17, 2011, 07:04:46 am
Hi,
I tested again on a 4th generation hiv duo and was negative 57 days after my broken condom incident. I think I need to put this behind me and move on because duo test after 8 weeks are conclusive.

aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on October 17, 2011, 08:03:15 am
aa,

If you do decide to confirm at three months as we recommend, I absolutely do not expect your result to change.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on October 18, 2011, 02:18:34 pm
Hi,
Ann, have u ever heard of anyone negative at 8 weeks and then turning positive with a 4th gen hiv test?

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Ann on October 20, 2011, 06:37:15 am
aa,

NO.

Ann
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on November 25, 2011, 03:59:09 am
Hi,
Just wanted to share with you all that I tested negative 13 weeks after the broken condom incident. Also got tested for syphillis which came back negative.

aa.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Andy Velez on November 25, 2011, 09:39:54 am
That negative result is no surprise but it's always a happy thing. Now you can move on with your life.
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: aa554 on February 10, 2012, 10:52:37 am
Hi,
Has anyone turned positive after 3 months negative test on a 4th gen test?

Thanks,
aa
Title: Re: Plz help me
Post by: Matty the Damned on February 10, 2012, 10:57:18 am
Hi,
Has anyone turned positive after 3 months negative test on a 4th gen test?

Thanks,
aa

No.

MtD