MARIA PAPAGGIANDOU, pronounced dead

[survivor703]

MARIA PAPAGGIANDOU, of Athens Greece, a renowned decident, has been pronounced dead. She was reportedly diagnosed with a Mac infection, and abruptly started taking ARVs. I will post more information and links as it becomes available.

[mecch]

Why did you chose the word dissident for a deluded HIV denialist who's now dead as a doornail.

dissident - noun

someone who disagrees publicly with a government, especially in a country where this is not allowed...

someone who disagrees publicly with the policy of an organization they belong to, especially a political party

[survivor703]

Well, I didn't want to seem rude while talking about the dead. But yes, you are correct, she was definitely a denialist.

[mecch]

Well is she dead? If so, it is a pity it was too late for HAART to save her life, and maybe then she could have put the same energy into publicizing how wrong she was to her flock. But no. 

Nobody wishes death on deluded people.  Rather, awakening to reality and life.

Its one thing to be quietly deluded and destroy one's own life, and of course also hurt and disrespect all the people around oneself, who would certainly rather the HIV+ person goes on living and gets healthy.

But she proselytized denial.  Hocus pocus and fantasy.  And so she may very well have contributed to other people's suffering and deaths.   So I say, call a spade a spade.

[survivor703]

yes, she is indeed dead. Her funeral is on tomorrow. Hopefully people following her will wake up and smell the freshly brewed coffee. Some of her followers are trying to say now that her passing is because she spent ten years taking HAART and that it "messed up" her immune system.

[mecch]

yada yada yada.

I've got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn if they're interested.  And crossing the span cures all that ails you and brings peace to the Middle East, as well.

They do heroically call themselves dissidents, I note.  But it seems a misnomer.

[Ann]

This is so sad - another denialism-caused death that could have, should have been avoided. My heart goes out to her family. Such a waste!

It's always sad when another deluded hiv denialist inevitably dies. So many bright young people have been unnecessarily lost this way. What a shame.

It will be interesting to see how the denialists try to wiggle out of this one - they'll probably blame it on the ARVs she belatedly took. They always come up with some excuse or other as to why an hiv positive denialist has died - and they'll blame it on anything other than hiv. Idiots. Dangerous idiots.

I will post more information and links as it becomes available.

Please be very careful that you do not include any links to denialist websites. We refuse to give the denialists a platform here in any way, shape or form - and any attempt to do so may result in being banned. Yes, we take it that seriously. Just be careful with your links, OK? Thanks. 

Anyone who is unfamiliar with hiv/aids denialists - and why they are dangerous and are not permitted a platform here - should read the aidstruth.org website.

[mecch]

It will be interesting to see how the denialists try to wiggle out of this one - they'll probably blame it on the ARVs she belatedly took.

Actually she took antiretrovirals for years and not the current ones.  Had a rough go of it.  Her book is all about stopping them and her great healing.  And yada yada how the drugs were going to kill her, and then of course all the fantasies denying HIV, AIDS, etc, to support her decision.  I think she had quite a run off the HAART.   The intellectual tragedy is the last ditch effort to "resort" to HAART again much too late. 

[survivor703]

Hi Ann, I won't link to any denialist websites. I do not support them in any form or fashion...  The deaths that they have caused are really sad and shameful. Anyway, I'm sure aidstruth will probably say something about it eventually. I actually found out in a <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/mariahiv"> support group on facebook</a>. My good friend Maria Mejia made a post about. So saddening.

[Ann]

Hi Ann, I won't link to any denialist websites. I do not support them in any form or fashion...

That's good to know, and thanks. As you're fairly new here, I wanted to make sure you were aware of our ban on denialist links. I didn't want you to inadvertently break our rules.

I also expect the aidstruth website will eventually add her to their lists of unfortunates who lost their lives due to believing denialist lies.

So sad, and so unnecessary.

[pat_fd]

Hello,

Let me give you some info about this case, all info is based on the videos and interviews she has given.

Maria Papagianidou was found HIV+ in 1985, she had serious sero-conversion symptoms, flu, fever etc and at the hospital she was undergone all typical examinations and nothing was found. Eventually she proposed to the Doctors to check her HIV status and she was found HIV+.
According to her the person who passed HIV over to her was her boyfriend, a frequent traveler to several countries and sometimes involved with drugs too.

From 1985 until 1995 she did not have any HIV related treatment, she stayed quite healthy and continued her studies, got a work etc. Around 1995-1997 her boyfriend died. In 1995 she suffered of Pneumonia Carinii and possibly this is the period she got AIDS or her CD4 - t-cells count was 200 or less. Then she started anti-retroviral treatment and she survived until April 2007 with some serious side effects though.
In April 2007 she decided to stop the anti-retrovoral treatment and all side effects disappear and she felt much better.
After the Summer of 2011 her situation deteriorated quite a lot and she started a HAART scheme but it seems that it was too late.
She died in April 16, 2012 of lung embolism and right leg embolism.

My personal opinion is that if in 2007 she had switched to the HAART  she would have been still alive since her immune system showed impressive resiliency.



 

[Jeff G]

Hello,

Let me give you some info about this case, all info is based on the videos and interviews she has given.

Maria Papagianidou was found HIV+ in 1985, she had serious sero-conversion symptoms, flu, fever etc and at the hospital she was undergone all typical examinations and nothing was found. Eventually she proposed to the Doctors to check her HIV status and she was found HIV+.
According to her the person who passed HIV over to her was her boyfriend, a frequent traveler to several countries and sometimes involved with drugs too.

From 1985 until 1995 she did not have any HIV related treatment, she stayed quite healthy and continued her studies, got a work etc. Around 1995-1997 her boyfriend died. In 1995 she suffered of Pneumonia Carinii and possibly this is the period she got AIDS or her CD4 - t-cells count was 200 or less. Then she started anti-retroviral treatment and she survived until April 2007 with some serious side effects though.
In April 2007 she decided to stop the anti-retrovoral treatment and all side effects disappear and she felt much better.
After the Summer of 2011 her situation deteriorated quite a lot and she started a HAART scheme but it seems that it was too late.
She died in April 16, 2012 of lung embolism and right leg embolism.

My personal opinion is that if in 2007 she had switched to the HAART  she would have been still alive since her immune system showed impressive resiliency.



 

The death of a denialist is not surprising to me , I just hope her actions don't drag others into the grave with her .

Be careful not to post any links on this site that link to any denialist web sites because that would result in a ban on your account here . I thought it worth mentioning siince you are new and this is your first post .   

[pat_fd]

I am 100% anti-denialist and the purpose of my post above was to show how wrong these persons are.

Again, if she had switched to HAART back in 2007 and followed her doctors' instructions she wouldn't have died, that's my take and probably yours too, Jeff G.
The problem with her was that she became denialist after 12 years of treatment just because the side effects were a bit much.
So I can safely assume that if the side effects had not been so serious she would have not been a denialist.

[mecch]

This thread was a year old.
If she was on antivirals from 1995 until 2007, she did not need to "switch" to HAART.  I don't know what you are trying to say here.

She was on HAART. 
She stopped, and then she died.

[pat_fd]

This thread was a year old.
If she was on antivirals from 1995 until 2007, she did not need to "switch" to HAART.  I don't know what you are trying to say here.

She was on HAART. 
She stopped, and then she died.

I am not trying to say anything just to give some details about her illness. I don't know the exact treatment she had but I heard that at the end she started HAART but it was too late.
Point is she stopped, and then she died, as you said.