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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: jimmy5447 on August 03, 2006, 06:48:23 am
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Hi I recently had some mutual masturbation play with a girl who then produced some ky lube/jelly and lubed my anus and stuck a finger in.Is it possible that the lube was tainted by previous use or on purpose to pass on hiv.I do not know the persons history
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The slick answer is NO.
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Jimmy,
No, there is absolutely NO risk in what you describe. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that does not remain able to infect when it is outside the human body.
Please read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) and follow the Lessons links for further information.
You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.
Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Ann
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Thankyou ,could you also tell me if I have herpes and there are no visible sores are there any hiv risks if I wear a condom as I have read there is an increased hiv risk with herpes
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Jimmy,
As long as you are wearing a condom and wearing it correctly, you do not have to worry about hiv infection. Make sure you read through the condom and lube links in my signature line.
Ann
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so having herpes is irrelevant is there is no sore?
also as regards the lube I was worried it may act like a syringe and keep hiv in an air free environment
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Jimmy,
The lube woulndn't be the right temperature, pH, or moisture level to keep hiv intact and able to infect. Hiv needs exacting conditions in order to remain viable. Lube does not fit the criteria.
Ann
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Finally is hiv testing in both instances outlined necessary
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no testing needed for the particular incidents...
However, Knowing your status is the single biggest tool you can have in your HIV toolbox. One doesnt have to have a fear of exposure to go test. 40+ million worldwide infected,90% dont even KNOW they are....
KNOW your status, Take the test*
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Thankyou can you confirm I do not need to test for these particular incidents Ann
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You absolutely do not need an HIV test in relation to the activities you have mentioned.
In general if you are sexually active it is a good idea to regularly have a full STD panel done. That means at least once a year and every six months is even better if you're very active.
But as far as this recent incident is concerned you don't have anything to be concerned about in terms of HIV nor any need to test.
Clear?
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Yes its just that in my case I caught herpes years ago in an area on my shaft not normally covered by condoms.But in the latest incident I did not see any sore, tho some of her secretions may have got on the area where there had been one in the past.Would any of this make any difference
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Jimmy,
As you asked me specifically, I'll answer and it's the same answer you have already had from aids2hiv and Andy; you do NOT need to test over this incident.
If you're sexually active and having intercourse, you should have sexual health care check ups regularly, even if you are consistently using condoms. This is because some of the other STIs are MUCH more easily transmitted than hiv. Regular check-ups are what responsible adults do - it's part of looking after your health.
Ann
PS - you replied again while I was typing... You do not need to worry about herpes when there is no lesion present. When you do have a lesion present, if it is in an area where the condom does not cover, you should abstain from sex until it is healed. This is not so much for your benefit as it is for the benefit of your partner. It is your responsibility to ensure your herpes infection stops with you. Don't risk spreading your herpes to your partners. If the condom doesn't cover it, don't have sex until it's cleared up. OK?
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Ok got it but if there was no visible lesion no worry correct?
What other stis can I catch even though I use condoms
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Jimmy,
No lesion = no worries.
Lesion = no sex if the condom doesn't cover.
For information on other STIs, check out the inSPOT (http://www.inspot.org/std-info/std-info.aspx?sitelvl=1®ionID=2) website. One word of caution - While the inSPOT website has excellent information on the other STIs, their hiv information sucks. Don't bother with it, stick with AIDSmeds for your hiv information. Here we go by the most current and up-to-date fact surrounding all aspects of hiv - while many other websites do not. (and don't ask me why because I haven't a clue)
Ann
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Thanks
So if you do have a lesion is there a risk from hiv from oral sex (ie sore on lip )or protected sex (sore on penis not covered by condom)
By the way was my KY tube syringe example crazy!
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Jimmy,
Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection no matter what. Saliva is not infectious. However, you shouldn't allow anyone to suck you when you have a herpes lesion present - because you will pass herpes on to them.
Giving oral sex with a herpes lesion on your lip? You shouldn't be doing that either for the same reason - you'll give the person herpes. Considering this, you don't need to worry about hiv infection this way. Understand? If you have an active herpes lesion you should NOT be letting it come into contact with another person. EVER. If you follow this simple rule, you won't have to worry AT ALL about a herpes lesion being a route for hiv transmission.
Your KY question wasn't crazy - you just didn't know much about hiv transmission before you came here and so the question was perfectly reasonable. However, if you keep asking the same question again and again.... well, that's not so reasonable.
Ann
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Ok understood the only one unanswered was the lesion not covered by condom at base of penis would this be a risk for receiving hiv or would the same apply as per cold sore on lip and oral
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Jimmy,
No, it wouldn't be a risk. However, I'm going to say it again... If you have an active herpes present that is not covered by a condom... DO NOT HAVE INTERCOURSE! Herpes, unlike hiv, is very EASY to transmit. Don't go spreading your herpes around.
You said you did not have a herpes lesion present during the incident you are worrying about. You did not have a risk and would not have even if there was one there. If the herpes lesion was on the tip of your penis and you had unprotected intercourse, then you might be in trouble. But you didn't. You used a condom and had no lesion. NO RISK.
And as I said, as you will not, after coming here and learning, ever let an active herpes lesion touch another person, you will never have any worries about the lesion being a transmission route. OK? I hope you understand.
Ann
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Ok Ann
Im not had an outbreak in 5 yrs but if I noticed one of course I would abstain.
Regards and thanks for your help
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A few days ago I had what I thought was protective sex with a girl.Afterwards I disposed of condom which I believed to be intact.I then asked the girl if condom had broke and she said she didnt know and I dont think it had but now Im starting to think maybe it did the more I think of it.Is this irrational anxiety or may I have a genuine concern
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Jimmy,
When a condom breaks it isn't a subtle event. It's kind of like popping a balloon..... it shreds. If your condom had broken, you would have known it.
So, no worries!
Morgan :)
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Thanks Ive aslo read about small tears that may go unnoticed,do these ever occur?
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Jimmy,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Ann
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Ok thanks,so whats the deal with microscopic tears in condoms that Ive read about?
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I'm sorry you can look for microscopic tears all you want. You aren't going to find them. Breakage of a condom is not subtle. You would know for a fact that you had a breakage without questioning.
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so microscopic tears that you read of on some sites dont happen its just a case of all out breakage
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Can I ask why you are continuing to ask questions when you haven't had a risk? You were given your assessment and that was, "No Risk". If you want to gain knowledge of HIV transmission please read the "Welcome" thread.
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Regarding the incident where the girl inserted what I believe to be lube in my anus before fingering,I did not check the substance so could it have been in anyway contaminated if she had wanted to infect me,has there been any incidents like this?
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No it couldn't be contaminated. Read the Welcome thread and read the part about transmission.
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Jimmy,
Just to let you know I had a broken condom with a SW and it sounded exactly like the experts said, "like a balloon popping." Also you would feel skin contact (this was an affirmation that my condom was definately broken) or a surge of excitement...
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Now you got me thinkin ,I had a surge of excitement!
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Is that surge irrelevant,wouldnt it obviously shred
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Jimmy,
Nevermind the surge of excitement (some call it an orgasm). The important thing is that you would have known if your condom broke.
OK?
Morgan
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Ok thanks
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Going back to my lube incident,could it be possible that it wasnt lube but some infected substance
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No....Jimmy you really need the help of a mental health professional. You are beyond the help that we can give you on this forum.
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So Im thinking of improbable situations?
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You have to ask yourself that? It's more than improbable.
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Impossible then,I get your drift.I will try and calm down
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Finally and I mean finally this time promise.Nothing Ive said wwarrants testing?
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Jimmy,
Absolutely, positively, NOTHING you have written about warrants testing.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will have nothing to worry about where hiv is concerned.
Ann
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Thankyou Ann
One thing I didnt cover was Ive also recently receievd a handjob that left my penis a bit chaffed and dierctly after received a blowjob where the other person flicked there tongue round the head of my penis and actually into the tip (urethra?) of my penis with the tip of there tongue .Is there any HIV associated risks with these practises
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Jimmy,
There is no hiv risk associated with getting a blowjob no matter what sort of spin you can think of to put on it. Saliva is not infectious.
Ann
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Would your view that I had no hiv risk for the activities outlined still be the same even if if the other person was transgender
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Jimmy, PEOPLE are not risky. ACTIVITIES are. It does not matter whether your sexual partner was a male, a female, or any combination of ther above. You had NO risk for HIV.
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Had a blowjob last night ,woke up and parts of the head are purple where she sucked so hard it hurt ,like a lovebite/hickey.Is there any HIV risk associated with this as the blood is drawn to the head of penis
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No Jimmy, there is no risk of HIV as a result of your knob being sucked purple. Please read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.
MtD
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U see never had it before where theres like blood like spots on tip of penis where it was sucked so hard and I didnt know her oral health.Does this put a new slant on HIV risk from getting a blowjob
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Nope, not even if she bit it and brought blood.
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So is receiving a blowjob even this particualrly painful one a risk as far as hiv is concerned?
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No not at all.
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should I stop worrying
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Since you didn't have a risk, I would say stop worrying about it.
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Jimmy,
You should NOT be PMing people to beg for answers in your thread. If there was anything wrong with the answers you've had, you would have known about it by now.
You didn't have a risk, as you have been told. You got a blowjob. Get over it. OK?
Ann
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yes but it was unlike any one Ive had before as per the marks left behind that is why I was concerned it may make a difference
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Jimmy,
It makes no difference. Getting a blowjob, no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it, is NOT a risk for hiv infection.
Ann
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ok was just the lovebite/sucking marks left behind that concerned me as it looked like blood had been drawn to surface,so that wouldnt make a difference
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drawn to the surface of the head
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Getting a hicky on the head of your penis is not a blood exposure.
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this may be a strange request but seeing as I had no risk and I keep ansking silly questions can I have a "time out" as you call it,keep convincing myself Ive been at risk ,sorry
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so a hicky on the head is no risk
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No, a hicky is not a risk.
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even on the head of my penis
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Not even on the head of your penis.
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should I stop worrying
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There was never a need to worry to begin with.
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ok so you can confirm I never had an hiv risk
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You didn't have a risk if all you are concerned about is receiving a blow job with a hicky on it.
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I got the hicky from the blowjob,wasnt there b4
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What part don't you understand? You were never at risk period....
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is shaking hands a risk with cut on palm
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OK Jimmy, it's time to stop with the "what-ifs". They'll get you nowhere. You didn't have a risk and I cannot see how we can help you any further.
It's time for you to move on.
MtD
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can I have a time out then cos keep gettin irrational thoughts
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A time out can only be imposed by a Moderator. You'd have to ask Ann or Andy about that.
Why don't you exercise a little bit of self control? Turn your computer off, get up from the desk and walk away. It's not hard. Also make an appointment to talk with a mental health professional to discuss your "irrational thoughts" and unfounded fears of HIV infection.
MtD
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Got in a fight and cut guys lip and saw blood also in proces cut my knuckle.Is this an hiv risk and has anyone become infected this way?
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Jimmy,
No, that is not a risk for hiv infection and no, no one has ever become infected this way.
Do you still want that time out?
Ann
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Is a time out for those who are being irrational like me,if so maybe it would help
Thankyou Ann
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recently had woman give me a handjob who previoulsy had been deep fingering herslf ,is there any hiv risk due to vaginal secretions on her hand,she had previously almost been fisting herslef,also she scratched my chest with her nails.Any risk with these two incidents?
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NO....
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why do some other sites like the body classify these risks "nearly" non existant
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Ask them at the body. The answer here is NO..
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may I have that time out now plse
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Hi been looking back at my previous posts and I mentioned that I had herpes (no visible sore) on shaft of penis .If I had intercourse would this increase my risk if it was not totally covered by condom and some of her secretions got on it?My main question is in my instance is protected sex safe against hiv and is going down on a woman safe ?
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No, and this is the last question I'll answer for you. You have never had a risk PERIOD. End of subject.
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ok
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Sorry just to clarify I asked :
"My main question is in my instance is protected sex safe against hiv and is going down on a woman safe ?"
You replied No
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had protected sex with a condom(tingle sensation kind) with woman with genital piercing ..dont think it ruibbed condom..would this increase the risk or was I not at risk from hiv
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You were not at risk.
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Keep using those condoms. You should be wearing one everytime you have intercourse. They provide very effective protection.
Her having a piercing wouldn't have presented any particular risk unless she was bleeding from it.
In any case, by consistently wearing a condom for intercourse you're keeping yourself covered literally and figuratively so there wouldn't be any cause for concern.
Cheers,
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cant remember any blood,so do u consider I had a risk on this occasion?
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No, I don't see this as having been a risky incident in any way.
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thankyou for your reassurance,so on the basis of this incident is there a need to test?
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Two,
No, you don't need to test over this specific incident. However, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.
If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.
Check out the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence. Use them correctly and consistently and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.
Ann
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I cant remember her piercing bleeding but Im not sure after Andy mentioned that may be a risk and years ago I caught genital herpes near the base of my penis but the thing is on this occasion I wore a condom which should cover it all.So was I really at no risk regardless of all this?
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Two,
Condoms have been proven to be very effective when it comes to hiv prevention - and this includes when blood is present.
There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. This shows us two things. One, condoms are very effective for the prevention of hiv transmission. Two, oral sex is much lower risk than previously believed. We now have the evidence that oral sex is a very low risk activity where hiv transmission is concerned.
Keep using those condoms.
Ann
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I did have oral sex too around her vagina and anus I think
My question really therefore is in all youve heard from me on this incident (sex and oral )was I at risk?
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You keep adding little bits of what ifs. Like giving oral vaginally & anally.
Please read this carefully: YOU WERE NOT AT RISK DURING THIS INCIDENT. There's no need for testing.
Now what? What's preventing you from letting go and moving on is really the question.
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could it be Im worrying over nothing
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Since you didn't have a risk to begin with, yes I would say you are worrying for nothing.
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what does andy mean about moving on then does he mean I have irrational fears
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He means remove yourself from infront of this website and get on with you life. You didn't have a risk so it's time for you to leave.
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thanks for help
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am I confusin myself
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I answered No to the first question in that post. You have 87 questons and replies in your thread. It's time for you to move on. You didn't have a risk so get on with your life.
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ann mentions small risk in oral sex what does that relate to...also I have had gentital herpes no outbreaks for years but read somewhere about an increased risk is this only when there is an open sore tho?
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can anyone answer my final points please
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two,
Getting a blowjob is not a risk and neither is cunnilingus.
GIVING a blowjob might, on rare occasion, result in infection - but this route of transmission is also extremely unlikely. How do we know? Read my other post again.
Ann
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thanku and regards the link with herpes is this only when a visible open sore is present
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two,
Yes it only has to do with an open sore, because the open sore MIGHT give hiv access to the bloodstream.
Anytime you have an open sore, you need to keep it away from other people anyway, for their sake as much as yours. And make sure you use condoms for intercourse.
Ann
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Got a blowjob from a girl who said she had just come out of hospital with bronchitis.Seeing as her mouth may have been inflamed is there any increased hiv risk from her having bronchitis
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You got a blowjob, no risk. You don't get HIV from receiving a blowjob.
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so her infecton is irrelevant..blowjobs are no risk?
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You didn't have a risk and her illness in relevant only to you, that you might get a cold if she coughed in your face.
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sorry didnt quite understand,you mean there is no risk regardless of her ilness
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sorry didnt quite understand,you mean there is no risk regardless of her ilness
Exactly. The only risk would be her passing a respiratory ailment to you from coughing in your face. But no HIV risk.
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got in a fight and noticed after that my ear was bleeding.Are there any hiv risks associated here?
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Only that you ear my get an infection if you don't take care of it. twofourty, it is time for you to move on.
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Ok,but when u say infection is there an hiv risk?
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Hell no you didn't have a risk. Use some common sense.
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Hello recently had sex with a condom however after I noticed quite a bit of blood on condom obviously the girl was on her period.Also there was quite a bit of bood on the base shaft area of my penis where the condom doesnt cover and this is the spot that some time ago I had a herpes though havent had a visible sore or some time.I read somewhere that there was no need for a visible sore for there to be a risk from contact with blood etc..The condom looked intact when I took it of but am concerned due to the blood where the condom didnt cover.Am I at risk?
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No you were not at risk. You had protected sex.
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David,
Can I ask why you are using different usernames while posting to our forums? Thus far, you have also used twofourty (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=6630.0) and jimmy5447 (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=2494.0)
Please realize that this kind of activity is disrespectful of other forum members, as well as our moderators. People spend a considerable amount of time helping others in these forums. Using multiple accounts is at the very least annoying, if not deceiving and disrespectful of others. It is also against our Terms of Membership (http://forums.poz.com/Terms.htm) which you agreed to when you became a member. This information is also contained within the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0), which you should have read by now. So really, you have no excuse.
You must realize that the answers won't change, no matter how many names you post under.
I would appreciate a reply to this message, and I hope you will commit to using just one account - preferably your original one. If not, you will be banned from further access to the forums.
Ann
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very sorry mislaid my login details this this morning ,it wont happen again
Would you mind reading my post this morning and say if you are in agreement with rapidrods reply
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RapidRod's reply to your post is spot on...no risk.
Blood dries on the skin, skin does not absord blood..intact skin is what protects us, and from what you have described there was no risk whatsoever.
Please read the lessons here on transmission.
Jan
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I've merged your threads - please stick with one name from now on or you WILL be banned permanently.
You did NOT have a risk in the incident you bring to us today. Please read your entire thread over again, because you keep asking the same basic questions and the answers are NOT going to change, no matter how many names you use or how many times you ask the question.
No risk.
Keep using those condoms.
Ann
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Thankyou for your understanding,I will only use this username from now on.
See my only concern was there was blood on the base part of my penis not covered by the condom and it was in the place where I used to get a herpes sore and I heard somewhere that may create a microscopic entry?
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two,
You heard wrong. Go read the responses you had on page one of this thread when you were using the name jimmy. The answers, as I told you yesterday, are not going to change. Menstrual blood does not change the basic fact that intact skin is an efficient barrier to hiv infection.
And as you were also told as jimmy, if you have an active outbreak where your condom does not cover, you shouldn't be having intercourse because you WILL infect your partner with herpes.
Read your ENTIRE thread again - all two pages of it. Our answers are NOT going to change.
Ann
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so mentioning it was a previous site of a herpes infection is irrelevant in this instance...no risk
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two,
As we have previously told you again and again and again, NO RISK.
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Consider yourself warned.
Ann
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Ok Ann
Final question ever! That herpes scenario is irrelevant then?
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two,
What do you think?
It's ONLY relevant if you have an outbreak. If you have an outbreak on your penis where your condom does not cover, you should NOT be having intercourse at ALL until you are completely healed. This is NOT for your benefit, it is for the benefit of your partner so you don't give them herpes. Keep your herpes to yourself!
Ann
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Ok Ann by outbreak I take it u mean open sore?,think i should have a time out to get my head together
Cheers
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Sorry just to clarify you say "This is NOT for your benefit, it is for the benefit of your partner",do you mean there would not be a risk to me but only to my partner.I didnt notice any sore at all
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two,
What I mean is that if you have an active outbreak - a sore, blister, whatever you want to call it - you should not have intercourse if the condom does not cover the blister because you will give your partner herpes. This ain't rocket science, mate! Herpes is spread through blister to skin contact. Don't let your herpes blisters come into contact with another person's skin. If you either make sure your blister is covered with a condom, or abstain from intercourse during an outbreak, you won't have to worry about any increase hiv risk to yourself. It's pretty simple.
Keep your herpes to yourself!
You're inching towards that time out...
Ann
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Ok thanks Ann so seeing as I didnt see an open sore/blister there was no risk to me or my partner?
In an earlier post you said " You did not have a risk and would not have even if there was one there" referring to a lesion ,is this the same for this latest blood scenario?
If you can confirm Yes No Risk to both I will be on my way,sorry for being a pain
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two,
For the last time, NO!
Ann
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sorry Ann was still typin whne you replied can you reread my previous post
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two,
Re-reading your edited post does not change my answer. NOTHING you have brought to us in this 140 posts long thread has been a risk for hiv infection. You used condoms for intercourse. No risk. You didn't have a herpes blister present when you had intercourse. No risk.
Keep using condoms correctly and consistently and you will continue to avoid hiv infection. If you should have a herpes outbreak in future, take care to keep your blister away from other people.
Ann
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Thankyou Ann I will never have sex with an outbreak,just for my education though does your previous post still hold true"" You did not have a risk and would not have even if there was one there"
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two,
That's it mate. Read and re-read your entire thread until you understand what's been said to you.
I'm giving you that 28 day time out I've been promising you. This has gone on long enough.
Do not create yet another account here to get around your time out - because if you do, I will know and you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.
Ann
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Hi a girl I was with had just cut the top of her finger with a breadknife ,it was bleeding bad and we were holding hands ,I also had a cut on my finger and mabe her blood flowed into mine as we held hands,whats the risk?
I notice in the "living with hiv" theres discusion about whether to tell if youve had a cut and somene comes along to bandage it up,so there must be a risk right ?
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You've been here long enough to understand the posting guidelines. Your question won't be answered until you put it in your original thread.
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sorry went to but it said last topic was over 60 days and to consider posting a new topic ,or words to that effect
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It's still there use it.
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Hi a girl I was with had just cut the top of her finger with a breadknife ,it was bleeding bad and we were holding hands ,I also had a cut on my finger and mabe her blood flowed into mine as we held hands,whats the risk?
I notice in the "living with hiv" theres discusion about whether to tell if youve had a cut and somene comes along to bandage it up,so there must be a risk right ?
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twofourty, don't be posting in any thread other than your own. Take the time and read the "Welcome" page and follow the guidelines on posting.
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ok sorry about that,can you answer my question now,thanks
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I've merged your threads.
She had a cut and you also had a FRESH, OPEN WOUND? And you were holding hands -- holding open, bleeding cuts together? It all sounds highly improbable to me. HIV is a fragile virus and not easily transmitted. I've never known of a case of transmission in the manner you are suggesting took place.
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thanks...
well she had just cut her finger and I had an cut that I did earlier in the day,so is this risky as its blood on blood.....whats the dealwith recptor cells,is it true you cant get HIV throgh finger as there arent any of these cells?
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240,
Why attempt to create a new account? Our answers aren't going to change just because you have a new name - even if it is "cupcake".
Please seek out counseling for your paranoid fears. We cannot help you with that here.
You're banned for creating a new account.
Ann
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yes sorry but just wanted a straight answer to a straight question whether there was a risk
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You think you'll be allowed to troll this forum? You've been banned.
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sorry what do you mean troll this forum
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two,
What Rodney means is you are misusing this forum. You have disregarded our posting guidelines again and again and you were also previously warned (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=2494.msg117420#msg117420) about creating new accounts.
I didn't set your ban up correctly yesterday - but it's working now. If you try to create more accounts, you will simply be blocked, so don't bother.
Please seek counseling for your hiv phobia. We cannot help you with that here.
Ann