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Offline CowboyPOZ

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Magic on Today
« on: December 01, 2007, 08:07:49 pm »
Did anyone catch Magic Johnson and his wife on the Today show Thursday morning? He was speaking about HIV/AIDS and his progress. He was hitting the talk show circuit this week for National AIDS Day. At one point during the interview he made the statement about how his coctail had the virus dead in his body. I thought this was a highly uneducated statement coming from someone with HIV. If the virus was dead in his body, he wouldn't have HIV and neither would the rest of us.
Just made me more upset the more I thought about it today.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 09:48:28 pm »
Sorry, I did not see it. 
I agree with you that it is a disturbing comment to make...especially coming from someone like him -- someone who is able to reach millions with his message.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 01:34:42 am »
I didn't see it either. Come to think of it, I don't really ever see Magic much anymore. I'm surprised he was even out today. It seems as if he went through a spurt where he was all over the place speaking out and now you never really hear from or see him. I don't know what you guys think but I feel like people need to speak out everyday not just on World AIDS day.

I do agree that his statement was not the best. Sad that one of the few spokes persons for HIV could make such a misleading statement. :-\

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 03:28:55 am »
I see where he was coming from, but it's probably an inappropriate thing to say.  Undetected would have been a better word choice.  But then again, Magic was never really a good speaker/communicator.  He seems to always fumble over his words.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 04:40:13 am »
I wonder if he is really on kaletra.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 07:08:16 am »
I didn't see Magic on the Today show, but I saw he and his wife on CNN.  I've never really paid a whole lot of attention to what he's had to say.  He isn't really well known for making speeches, though, and he probably caught some flack from some people for saying what he did about the "virus being dead" in his body.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 07:16:01 am »

Its his personal point of view. Maybe a caricature to say to the others that he is doing very fine.

And what ?

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 07:22:32 am »
You can say what you want about Magic, but it took a lot of courage to come out about his infection when he did. I think it was Karl Malone who said he wouldnt play in a game with Magic. Times have changed and its easy to forget how earth shattering Magics coming out was and how it changed the way many think about HIV.
What really impressed me was the way Magic rebounded. He got knocked down and got right back up. Yes, he had a ton of money,but its often harder to keep your money than make it and  not only did he keep it but built a great business empire employing thousands since his public statement.
I will also note I am a die hard Rocket fan and hated Magic as a player. He helped make palming the ball and travelling legal plus he often killed my team.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 07:38:25 am »
.., I don't really ever see Magic much anymore.

Not so here.. he made an ad about AIDS awareness with Yao Ming 1 or 2 years ago and it's being constantly aired here. I have to say I do admire his courage though he seems to be more private these days.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 10:53:38 am »

I agree 100% with you Jack. I was quite young when Magic came out about his infection but I do remember how dramatic it was. I don't think I really knew what HIV was until Magic (like I said I was young). I just wish more people with "star power" would come out like he did. There is still such a horrible stigma associated with HIV.

Maybe Magic isn't the best speaker. I guess sometimes the wrong use of words could cause confusion.


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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 03:31:41 pm »
Nope, didn't see the show either. When doesn't Magic destroy the English language? So, him saying it was dead in his body, well....If that is what he cares to think but people such as ourselves know better. I'm sure someone corrected him on it. True, I give Magic props for coming out when he did but what about his wife? Cookie has stuck by her man through it all. Can you imagine what was being said about her back in the day when it all hit the fan......You go, Cookie..... ;)
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 07:31:30 pm »
I agree with you Queen. I might have bolted.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 08:31:10 pm »
I agree with you Queen. I might have bolted.

She could've done that and got major alimony....But that is how the cookie crumbles, I guess.... ;D I'm sure Magic has left her his whole estate if anything happens.....
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 12:23:10 am »
I saw the interview and what he very clumsily said is that the virus is "lying dead in his body." It was very poorly stated and he even looked like what he just said came out wrong.

Then again if he used the terms it's "undetectable" or tried to go into the more complex descriptions of how he is "undetectable" and went into "latency" (which he may have been trying to allude to even though "latency" does NOT equal "lying dead"), I doubt the audience would have come away with a clearer picture. This disease is way too complex to ever expect these "in and out" 6 minute interviews to explain the intricacies in the most responsible fashion. Even the answer he gave explaining why he has no side effects to the meds could have been explained better because anyone who doesn't actually follow this stuff would probably not understand where he was coming from.

Setitng aside the flubs, I give him and Cookie a lot of credit. The rest of the interview was pretty good and I have to agree with that Cookie is a real inspiration. What a strong lady. And I'm glad they are doing the media rounds letting people know infection rates in the US are still spiraling out of control.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 12:31:11 am »
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You know, compared to today's basketball players Magic Johnson wasn't that bad.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 05:19:02 am »
I seem to remember various rumours going around from time to time that Magic had been "cured". If this is the way he talks about what happens when we take the meds, it's no wonder people have been confused. ::)

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 11:37:36 am »
Having worked with Earvin in community outreach , and getting to know him at a personal level,   I can assure anyone that whilst a verbal foopah may cause screams within our community,  he is genuine, and still very much involved with the HIV positive community. Hey, anybody can do a freeze in the lights of the camera.

Prevention efforts in this country have failed miserably.  Based on the demographics of new infections, this disease has become even more of a socio-economic issue than that of public health.  With that, Magic’s efforts have been directed more toward inner city youth, particularly within the “million dollar block” areas.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2007, 12:32:53 pm »
I have nothing but the utmost respect for Magic.   He seens genuine, to me.

Perhaps he is not the most eloquent speaker, but I think he gets the message across.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2007, 01:08:25 pm »
While I don't question the sincerity of Magic, I do question if sincerity is enough, particualrly when the result sometimes runs counter to the main goal.

On a day that media actually sets aside time to talk about HIV and AIDS (and thus more people than ever are likely to hear something about it) it is vital to present the information clearly and without any misperceptions and vagueness which can be used to fuel myths.

I do give Magic credit and I am glad that he stood up publicly and continues to try to be inspirational to many.  However I don't believe this is the first time (nor all that infrequent) that he has spoken so poorly on the subject that his words give credence to some denialist ideas. 

Again, I think we should be grateful that someone of his fame is speaking up, but I think that gratitude allows an expectation of responsibility that he what he speaks is fact and dispels myths and misperceptions about the virus and not fuels them.


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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2007, 01:30:05 pm »
I think we should be grateful that someone of his fame is speaking up, but I think that gratitude allows an expectation of responsibility that he what he speaks is fact and dispels myths and misperceptions about the virus and not fuels them.

my mom, who should know better after the things I've told her over the last 14 yrs, just called me the other day to ask why I wasn't on the drug that Magic is on that "killed his hiv dead". She knows what "undetectable" means but thought Magic had some sort of cure.  ::)

IMHO I've always thought he wasn't too good of a spokeman for this disease. Why, I know could explain better within 2-3 min what HIV is and what my meds do so a layperson could understand the issue - and I don't have any PR people helping me, nor I have been "educating" people for yrs on this topic.  Just saying.

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2007, 01:56:21 pm »
Given that Magic is a paid spokesperson for a major pharma company, no matter whether it's Magic and Cookie appearing or Magic alone, he is inextricably linked at present to Kaletra. They could coach him (even script him) to be able to deliver simple messages, using clear language that does not mislead.

Sincerity is always a tough thing to gauge. We face it with assessing  politicians all the time. Here's a ditty I made up to explain it. " Bein' paid means you're swayed." It's possible, although I hope not, that he's been encouraged to convey a misleading message. Perish the thought, but anything's possible.

My take on this type of sincerity in the face of a pandemic is that it's concerning when a super-star taking a vital role a la media attention misdelivers the message because it means he's either not been taught or corrected or may not care as much as we might hope. It's possible he may not be able to fathom the impact of inaccurate statements.

Everyone, young and old, needs to know about testing and safe sex. To hear that a virus is lying dead in Magic's body due to a medication doesn't begin to help a listener understand. We're a pill-popping, over-the-counter fix-it society and such info does not address how individualized the virus experience is and can't begin (nor should it given the venue) to explain the socio-economic imbalance that is nearly insurance, at this rate, of the pandemic's continuance.

I know someone who is a personal friend of Magic's. He's reportedly a great guy, fun to be around, successful businessman, etc. It's that last part that makes me wonder what's going on with the message delivery. Using a sports analogy makes it clearer. Had he been this sloppy on the basketball court, we would have never heard of him. In that he's switched careers to part-time spokesperson, he should want to (or his payor should demand that he) deliver slam dunks of well-crafted, easy to remember sound bites for those so in need of them.
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2007, 02:17:22 pm »
You know, compared to today's basketball players Magic Johnson wasn't that bad.

I really don't know about today's athletes since I have yet to watch a NBA game. I notice football players speak pretty well...... ;D
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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2007, 11:44:04 am »
magic has a website http://www.istandwithmagic.com/ if anyone's interested

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2007, 12:00:51 pm »
Saying the virus is "dead in his body" is just the latest of a litter of dumb and/or crumby remarks that Magic has made through the years. Remember, he's now a highly paid shill for Abbott and his style is -- just take these drugs, be happy and it's all a piece of cake. Yah right. IF you can afford them and IF they work well for you.

For instance he's been silent about Abbott's despicable treatment of the med drugs situation in Thailand. His only response when we (ACT UP)  confronted him at a Brooklyn  college appearance earlier this year was a brief pause and then, "I'm on it." Yah, right again.

Right after he came out as HIV+ he was on Arsenio Hall's late night show, (remember him?), and remarked, "You know I am EXTREMELY HETEROSEXUAL." They made a lovely good ol' boy pair. Ugh.
   
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 12:42:39 pm »
I went to magic's website.  It states that you can get HIV from oral sex and while kissing is OK, to avoid deep kissing.  Maybe I'm the one who's wrong, but hasn't it been shown that oral sex and all kissing (including "deep") do not pose a risk of infection?  Glad he's so informed and feels he can speak for an entire population of people :-\

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2007, 01:42:16 pm »
Hi Mum

Just so you know, at the bottom of Magic's site is the following line:

Copyright © 2007 Abbott Laboratories. Abbott Park, Illinois, U.S.A.

That is the author, legal department, FDA-abider, etc. behind every word on the site. Any major pharma company answers to such bosses. And, understandably, from a legal perspective, they must play by strict rules.

You may be interested to know the CDC advises oral sex is a transmission risk. Go to http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2007, 01:46:22 pm »
I can't find the website (or at least where it discusses HIV transmissions).  Can someone provide a link.

I don't think oral sex has been ruled out as completely safe.  Here's what the CDC says...

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2007, 01:49:23 pm »
Hi Cliff!  Like minds. And here's the link re: kissing. Only one case has been investigated to date that MAY attribute transmission to open mouth kissing. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transmission.htm
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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2007, 08:40:35 pm »
Did anyone catch Magic Johnson and his wife on the Today show Thursday morning? He was speaking about HIV/AIDS and his progress. He was hitting the talk show circuit this week for National AIDS Day. At one point during the interview he made the statement about how his cocktail had the virus dead in his body. I thought this was a highly uneducated statement coming from someone with HIV. If the virus was dead in his body, he wouldn't have HIV and neither would the rest of us.
Just made me more upset the more I thought about it today.
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Give Magic a break.  Imagine being that famous and shunned because you are HIV positive.  And you know he is shunned.  So he is hopeful that HIV is dead in his body.  Maybe he meant dead in its tracks, as in not destroying his immune system and eventually killing him.  Is that not what we all want and hoping for?  I rather think that Magic is trying to be overly optimistic rather than unduly or marginally pessimistic.
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2007, 11:08:26 pm »
shunned?

Magic's not been shunned. Being on the Today Show, on Oprah with the cameras rolling inside his mansion featuring his wife Cookie and the kinds of food she makes, his workout room and routine, how long he works in the office and on and on   does not comprise a shunning.

Give him a break? I wish I could. He's misinforming millions of people when he speaks of the virus. Give him a handler or a coach is what Abbott could do.

And, when I read Andy's post about Magic's responses and non-activist ways, it irked me. He knocks back a lot of money per year, he could reach  back to help more than a few.

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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2007, 07:04:34 pm »
I watched with great interest Magic Johnson's interview on the Today Show. Like previously said you really would have thought someone would have prep this man for an interview on national television regarding such a serious topic.

I think his quote, "the virus is dead in my body" has already been discussed here. I mean was this a mis quote or does the man not understand the basics of his own disease? im not a doctor but from what i know even at undetectable the virus is never "dead". the sneaky bug hides in clusters in the gut and even the brain. this is one of the main obstacles of a 'cure'....right?

anyway.... herez my other question. Matt Lauer asked him if he had "the serious side effects associated with the medications?" Magic Abbott Johnsons' reply was, "Thank god no <at least the mans religious>. I didnt have a lot of the virus in my body so i didnt have any side effects." Huh? I mean he had no side effects and the virus is dead. Guess this HIV thing aint so bad.

Is this true? I lied on the bed for 18 hours a day for 4 months wanting to die after starting meds. At no time did the doc ever say the side effects were the result of my viral load. I thought meds reacted specifically to the patient? Is mr. johnson misinformed or is he incompetent? mayb i dont have all the information.

Sniff Sniff Sniff.....i smell money! I took a peak at the "I Stand With Magic" web site. therez no statement of conflict i could find on the web site, but itz got the 'Dr. Abbott' seal of endorsement. (There really was a Dr. Abbott and he started making meds in his kitchen). i know this is not isolated to m.j. that dr jarvick ticks me off to! It is shamless for a so called star to hock medication. meds either work or they dont. they are perscribed by a physician; they dont need 'an endorsement'.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2007, 09:55:42 pm »
Hi FnB,

I merged the thread you started in Treatment about Magic's interview into the thread already going here in Living. ;)

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Re: Magic on Today
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2007, 11:18:21 pm »
hi ann:
nothing personal being a moderator.....but i have issues with you moving my thread from "treatment & side effects" to "living w/ hiv". my question was specific about whether 'side effects' were affected with viral load. it would appear to be a justifiable question. this has nothing to do w/ 'living w/ hiv'

moving my thread waters it down into the controversy over magic johnson interview which seems to be controversial. the interview just caused me to ask the question why did i have such horrible 'side effects' during 'treatment'.  i believe i posted this question in the right category.

i hope you would reconsider moving it back into its original post so i could get a specific answer to my question.

so should i ask my question without any mention to magic johnson to get a specific answer? thank you for your reconsideration. a pm reply would be appreciated.
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2007, 09:16:50 am »
Hi FnB,

I said this in my PM to you and wanted to say it here too:

I did hesitate when I merged your thread, but I knew yours would most likely end up as another "what Magic said" thread so thought it best to move it. (things can get confusing when there are two very similar threads, especially when they span forums)

Could you re-phrase your question and repost? You'll probably get more specific responses anyway. People see the name Magic and they focus on him.


I'd like to add (for anyone who's wondering) that we do try to do this when multiple threads are posted on the same topic, but if there's been responses before the newer thread is noticed, it makes it more difficult to merge them. I caught this one before there were responses.

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