Say I'm driving down the highway with Lynard Skynard's Free Bird playing on the stereo, when I notice a police car driving up on my bumper. I'm going the speed limit and have my seat belt on. Is it ok for me to give him a fierce brake check to get him off my bumper?
Law enforcement officers frequently interact with people who have mental health problems, particularly when serving custody orders for involuntary commitment. What kind of training do police officers receive in regards to assisting people with mental health problems?
What's your opinion of doing away with all local police agencies and replacing them with one national police force? Since the US government currently provides little to no assistance to run local police departments, police agencies in the US vary greatly, mostly depending on their local communities wealth. Whereas the police department where I live can afford to operate unmanned drones, gunshot detectors, and staff thousands of police officers who have training in mental health and other complex issues, an agency in Alabama (just an example) usually runs underfunded, low education levels, and short staffed on antiquated equipment with little training. Doesn't make much sense does it?
I say a BIG HELL NO to a national police force. Local police are able to do their jobs based on the needs of the community they serve (well, with some state and federal guidelines thown in, no doubt).
My father is a retired police commander in the city I grew up in, my brother is a former police officer and my step-brother is a current officer. I grew up around the local police (and had a few run ins with them).
Additionally -- (STEREOTYPE ALERT) -- I worked at a local donut shop while in high school that was down the street from the police station and they all frequented the shop (stereotypes are often based in truth) -- I got to know them all. There were some "questionable" ones, but for the most part they were all dedicated and concerned for the welfare of the citizens.
To this day -- I respect the police -- am not afraid when they are behind me on the road, as I tend to obey traffic laws at this stage of my life. They are all their to help and protect.
Mike
I remember the 1st time I was involved in warrant service. For those who do not know warrants are served early in the morning because unless given prior approval by a Judge you cannot serve a warrant at night. So we arrived at the roll call room at 3am to serve the warrant at 4am and there must of been 6 dozens donuts laid out for us to eat, I laughed to myself.
I know, right!
I do have to say though -- they really were great to know. They never had to pay for their coffee and donuts (owner's rule). On my last shift before I left for college -- I got a $500 gift from the police -- a collection taken without my Dad's knowledge. That was 30 yrs ago, so $500 was a pretty big final "tip" for me.
Mike
Is it legal for police officers to accept discounts? I know in NYC it's not. Sounds like a can of worms if you ask me.
Is it legal for police officers to accept discounts? I know in NYC it's not. Sounds like a can of worms if you ask me.
Is it legal for police officers to accept discounts? I know in NYC it's not. Sounds like a can of worms if you ask me.
Did I advocate for a national police force anywhere in this thread, Oh Wise Bocker? Hopefully you can pinpoint the phrase where I did so.
Paranoid much? Mike was using what you said as an example of why a national police force is not such a good idea, not as proof that you were advocating for a national police force. Maybe you need more coffee this morning?
So what freebies do the police get in bustling Douglas? I bet it's those filthy pickled eggs at the pub.
I rarely get out of Peel these days. Sometimes if it weren't for my quarterly trips to Liverpool for hiv clinic, I'd probably go six months or more at a time without leaving the West.
Do you own a Peel microcar?
I wish! I haven't had a car in over fifteen years
Do horny people of all genders and sexualities often try to seduce police officers? How often would you say police officers are sexually harassed by the public?
Is it legal for police officers to accept discounts? I know in NYC it's not. Sounds like a can of worms if you ask me.
I think my apartment complex offers a steep discount for police officers who are willing to either A) park a marked car in the parking lot and/or B) offer to be on call sometimes in addition to the regular security.
Personally I am glad. Back in the day, my place used to have some seedy stuff going on in the parking lot on weekends.
Do horny people of all genders and sexualities often try to seduce police officers? How often would you say police officers are sexually harassed by the public?
Do all gay men search for porn where prisoners getrapedseduced by the cops?
I have been out of town for a few days I will try and review and see what questions I missed.
Technically it is not within Department policy for any employee Civilian or Sworn to accept a discount of food or other items but it happens every day anyway. 7/11’s give out free coffee & water because they want Officers hanging out in their parking lot at night. I remember Best Buy used to sell us any product in their store for cost which means you got to purchase products before the markup. When Best Buy still had that discount for Officers I purchased a brand new Stove, Refrigerator & stacked washer/dryer including the extended 3 year warranty for under $1,000 retail it was probably $3,500.
It happens everyday. I have been hit on by men & women of all ages. I even had a woman grab my junk once. When it comes down to trying to get out of a ticker and/or going to jail people will do just about anything.
Wow, corruption anyone?
Another reason why there is a general distrust of the police.
Soliciting a law enforcement officer for sex just seems so incredibly stupid I am surprised it happens so often.
I do not believe that is corruption at all, you are simply taking advantage of a benefit that is in place. Is it corruption for Verizon to give 25% off of a phone bill? Or a restaurant to give you 50% that is in a high crime area? Especially when the waitress knows he/she is going to get a 50%-60% tip? I believe the word corruption should be used when someone is getting a bribe to look the other way.
When I was 20 something a state trooper pulled me over and I gave him a BJ . I liked it !
Except that police officers are not private company employees. They are government employees who are tasked with providing service to everyone. The reason this sort of thing is ALREADY Illegal is what are these businesses that are giving you free shit expecting? A faster police response when they call? What about the business that pays its taxes but cant afford to give you free shit, do they get less service?
Comparing police to verizon or any other private business employee isnt valid. This is why what you are describing IS illegal in most places and why the punlic generally distrusts the police.
Where were u a police officer anyway? Im sure they wouldnt agree with you.
Except that police officers are not private company employees. They are government employees who are tasked with providing service to everyone. The reason this sort of thing is ALREADY Illegal is what are these businesses that are giving you free shit expecting? A faster police response when they call? What about the business that pays its taxes but cant afford to give you free shit, do they get less service?
Comparing police to verizon or any other private business employee isnt valid. This is why what you are describing IS illegal in most places and why the punlic generally distrusts the police.
Where were u a police officer anyway? Im sure they wouldnt agree with you.
The international association of police chiefs states this
The most common argument for the "no gratuity" policy is the slippery slope argument. The acceptance of even the smallest benefit will start an inevitable slide toward serious corruption. The only difference in accepting a cup of coffee or $1000 (in unmarked twenties) is the degree of wrongness. Once an officer gets in the habit of receiving things for free, it is easier to accept a large bribe.
http://mobile.officer.com/article/10250436/free-cup-of-coffee
I have been out of town for a few days I will try and review and see what questions I missed.
Technically it is not within Department policy for any employee Civilian or Sworn to accept a discount of food or other items but it happens every day anyway. 7/11’s give out free coffee & water because they want Officers hanging out in their parking lot at night. I remember Best Buy used to sell us any product in their store for cost which means you got to purchase products before the markup. When Best Buy still had that discount for Officers I purchased a brand new Stove, Refrigerator & stacked washer/dryer including the extended 3 year warranty for under $1,000 retail it was probably $3,500.
So we have police officers, expected to uphold the law, doing something illegal. Fascinating.
Putting your job in danger for a donut doesn't sound particularly bright to me. Don't know what to tell you if you think that's wise.
Soliciting a law enforcement officer for sex just seems so incredibly stupid I am surprised it happens so often.
But, there are police officers who do this as well. There have been several cases over the years here of officers trading sex for letting an offense go.
Yes, thank you for saying that!!
What's your opinion about people filming the police doing their job/activities?
Totally unrelated to the question above, here are a couple of youtube videos for your enjoyment:
http://youtu.be/jnLqcm-GpmI
http://youtu.be/N7TzPEYci_w
When on a traffic stop it is Yes Sire, No Sir, and Yes Ma’am & No Ma’am.
You dont even need to film police anymore. The city I live in all patrol vehicles automatically film everything and every police officer wears a personal video camera that records all their doings.
So in essence, I should take the role of a child and treat them like they're my parent? I strongly disagree.
I've heard about the dash cams, but never seen any of them with a camera on their person.
http://www.vievu.com/
Their website says 2300 police agencies use them so they are probably pretty universal.
Comes in handy for their own use, but it probably does not serve the citizen in the same regard. I'm just guessing here... they can probably delete what they want.
I wouldn't dare try to film one. Having been hit by a cop, I'm pretty fearful of their thuggish ways.
The police should be the ones referring to the citizens as sir and ma'am not the other way around. The citizen is your boss, the police are government employees. A government "by the people and for the people."Umm, everytime that I have ever been stopped -- I was referred to as "Sir" -- I also "sir"'d right back. Nothing wrong with being polite. Oh -- and you are NOT their boss -- that is a crazy view of this. So, by your logic -- everyone paid with tax dollars should kowtow to you as their boss?
I find this thread interesting..... not sure why people look at police as "the enemy"? Yes, there are some corrupt cops -- just like there are corrupt >>>>fill in the blank<<<<. It is unfortunate and they should be reported and removed. The majority of police officers do their jobs to help keep the peace -- they certainly don't do it for the sky-high salary. Given the danger in their jobs, I think they are grossly underpaid.
Umm, everytime that I have ever been stopped -- I was referred to as "Sir" -- I also "sir"'d right back. Nothing wrong with being polite. Oh -- and you are NOT their boss -- that is a crazy view of this. So, by your logic -- everyone paid with tax dollars should kowtow to you as their boss?
People look for reasons to disrespect the police because they represent authority and people don't like authority figures ............. that is until they need one.
Mike
People look for reasons to disrespect the police because they represent authority and people don't like authority figures ............. that is until they need one.
Mike
So in essence, I should take the role of a child and treat them like they're my parent? I strongly disagree. As a person who has had my rights violated by police officers on more than one occassion, I can tell you that is one aspect about them that I dislike.
I've been in the same situation - more than once. Yeah, yeah, yeah - I get it...."it's so dangerous and lay their lives down, etc etc." Unfortunately, every encounter I've ever had with a police officer - save one minor one - has resulted in more harm than good for me, and they've acted like power obsessed assholes.
I have nothing but anxiety and distrust whenever I see one, and want nothing to do with them. Wish it wasn't so, but that's how it is.
I usually just start crying when I'm pulled over.
Hey Mr. ImSoIntelligent, what is up with all the generalizations?
Your experience is your own. I can give you proof of many circumstances where cops have not been good as gold.
I've never disrespected a cop.
There are just sooooooo many examples of bad cops that its hard to say "it's just some bad apples."
From the many examples of small business having to fork over $$ as protection (implicit or as the many free donut or discounts at best buy examples that have discussed ---which by the way is the same exact thing the mafia does), to the many examples of police brutality (again woefully common all across the US and internationally) to the mundane things they do all the time. Not to mention the treatment of minorities and gay people.
My favorite example of police misconduct is the "blue bear sticker." Are you all familiar? Pay attention to other vehicles on the freeway and notice how many people have small stickers of a blue bear on the back window. Police officers and their family members put them on their car to identify themselves as police so other police officers don't give them tickets.
And you wonder why there is distrust of the police? Come on
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a list of gripes about the police. Considering that the OP was being friendly, it seems misplaced.
My uncle was a corrupt cop. Another uncle was a model cop.
Its like any other profession. There are good ones and bad ones.
Good and bad doctors. Lawyers. Teachers. Ministers.
Anyone who refers to the Police Dept in the same light as the mafia in my book is a misguided fool.
I just read a book by Michael Corbitt, with Sam Giancana, where that mob boss (Giancana) got Corbitt into police work in a Chicago suburb, to help the mob. It was a tell-all book, almost better than Donnie Brasco (but not better).
When I was a strung out heroin addict, I worked in a strip bar as a (you guessed it) stripper. There were police that came in there different times during the night. As long as we sexually serviced them, they looked the other way concerning the drug dealing and prostitution that they knew went on there. A sheriff in the county I live in (Ralph DeMeyer) got sent to federal prison for taking money from a madame to protect multiple whore houses. This was years ago.
I can't tell you, when I was on the streets and yes, a drug addict, how many times my friends were assaulted raped, robbed etc., and because they were shady characters the police wouldn't even make a report.
I'm not saying that all police are bad. I've met some reputable ones. Maybe it's just the town I live in. One of the last police officers to get killed in the line of duty got killed because he was robbing drug runners. Maybe it's because this area is so close to Chicago, the seediness spilled over. Who knows.
As I said, I've met good cops. But there are bad ones also, sometimes it seems more than good. Maybe in certain areas.
I tend to not really trust the Government even though I served in various aspects of the Government Military & Police Department. I tend to lean more towards what the Government tells us to do as Conspiracy than truth. :o
In as much, a lot of people do not trust the police in the same manner. And you were actually part of this group and you didn't even trust?
I've often mentioned in these forums that my father and grandfather were retired deputies and my uncle is our local police chief. I have 2 other uncles who also serve.
I still don't quite understand the point of this thread. I'm just glad the OP threw it out there to support all of us who have no idea how our Judaical system works.
OP=original poster.
You must have worked in a Utopian police department. Because in the city I live in, there are very corrupt officers. I do not paint "all" police as corrupt, but many of them are. I totally get street people knowing what's going on, I knew a lot when I was on the streets, then a couple years ago when working with the homeless, I found out a lot about what was going on.
But I can tell you, when I was on the street and one of us thought about reporting a crime, well, it was just disappointing. If it was a hooker, well, the cops said they "deserved" it, if it was a drug addict, they also "deserved" it. It was totally pointless to report crime while being a drug addict, much less a prostitute.
I admit that not all police are horrible, but you need to admit that not all police are good, upstanding. Of course that happens in most every profession. But to say and actually believe, all police are honest, is just naive.
.' I will firmly admit I would not care what happened to that 2%.
NUFF SAID, at least it wasn't the 47% you don't care about. :o
As you stated I was trying to help to let others see it from a different aspect but that seemed to have backfired and only brought out the haters & secret criminals.
I agree that in any profession that are bad apples. I took an oath to Protect people from the scum of Earth and on the street the 98% of the people who work to keep food on the table by being honest are terrorized by the 2% of street criminals. We had a saying in our unit 'We intimidate those who intimidate others.' I will firmly admit I would not care what happened to that 2%. I never knew an Officer or Detective that took a bribe or money that did not belong to them. When you use the word 'many' it makes it seem like there are more corrupt Officers than good ones.
Hi Remy:
I do appreciate you starting this thread....
That said, I had to bold something you wrote above that belies what is a major issue.... a cop's view that they are protecting people from the "scum of the earth" goes completely against the American judicial system which states that a person is "innocent until proven guilty."
When I was arrested and spent time in Miami Dade County jail - I had not been convicted - I was just arrested - In fact, to this day, I do not have conviction on my record..... however, the conditions at the jail, the way I was treated by officers, and correctional officers, was based on the presumption of guilt - not innocence. An innocent person would never be treated the way I was - and a person who was presumed innocent would never be referred to as "the scum of the earth." I'm just sayin'
I do my best to respect officers - truly do.... I do have issue when one rolls up to a stop light and does not want to wait like everyone else and puts on his/her lights to go through the light and then cuts their lights off once they get to the other side..... A sense of entitlement and that the law does not apply to them. Or parking whereever they choose - when, if I did the same thing, I would be given a ticket for it.
The last time I was pulled over, I was profiled.... I had my partner in the car and we were going to get his scripts.... Cop pulled me over - for absolutely no reason. He never gave a reason. Asked if he could search the car; Asked if either of us had ever been arrested (which we had) and asked what for.... after he conducted his search - he let us go ---No apology, no reason for the stop..... So, incidents like this can cloud one's view of officers - just like the incidents that officers experience can cloud their view of the overall public.
As with anything, there are those who will abuse the system....
But, one thing I am here to tell you ---- the concept of innocent until proven guilty in the US - is a fallacy.
Edited for typos - coffee hasn't kicked in yet....
am i being detained or am i free to go? :-X
am i being detained or am i free to go? :-X
Let's take a look at how your words support some of the issues that some posters have with some law enforcement officers: (I apologize in advance - formatting got messed up.... don't arrest me for that :D )
Your words: The issue:
I never said anything about Guilt or Innocence If this is the case see issue on next line
we were protecting Law abiding citizens This would constitute the officer making a
judgment on guilt or innocence
hanging out in areas they did not belong. Once again, subjective - who are "they"
Hispanics in a predominate black or blacks in a Profiling at its best. Can we say Trayvon
predominate Hispanic area wearing a certain color Martin? And, only mean one thing?
that could mean only one thing Really? They couldn't possibly live
there or be visiting friends?
My job was to ensure the hardworking public So where does this leave those who are
not "hardworking" How is this
defined? God forbid I am not working
the families that were raising their children I better have children
We would simply make the arrest There is nothing "simple" about an
arrest - believe me. It changes ones
life. Don't believe me? Get arrested -
particularly for having done nothing
wrong
As for the traffic stop, I agree and disagree with profiling. There is so many issues here....
I disagree with it if it is solely based on race but agree "solely on race" "something looks out
with it if as above stated something looks way out of place "dressed in the wrong color"
like a van load of folks dressed in the wrong color in the "wrong neighborhood" "wrong time
wrong neighborhood at the wrong time of night. of night" ----- Alll subjective
wing span of the driver Since when is the passenger side of
backseat or trunk within wingspan?
while seated in the driver’s seat with or without permission. Which explains why officers say stay in
the car.... to their benefit to search
An Officer can ask you any question he or she wants to And I can refuse to answer
My favorite question Sounds like you enjoyed this a bit too
much
As they say ignorance of the law is not an excuse. And abuse of it by officers is not either
Edit: Also the above is not personal against you - but rather points out the certain frame of philosophy that exist and perhaps in inherant in many who enter law enforcement or who stay in it for a while and are indoctrinated into a certain mindset - and is one of the reasons why issues arise or some of the public has the perception it does.....
I tried to decipher the above and could not.Sorry about the formatting of the previous post... Hopefully, the layout below will be more conducive to seeing why some might have issues with perceptions/perspectives of law enforcement officers.... As said before, I think sometimes there are officers who by very nature of entering this line of work are disposed towards these perceptions and there are other cases where the experiences they have while on the force can cause some of these perspectives to come about - and to even seem justified...
Read my post -- I pointed out that there are bad cops.
and....... the generalizations run both ways. I can give you proof of many circumstances where cops have saved lives. I am sorry that you have run into some bad ones, but that doesn't make 'em all so.
Mike
Sorry about the formatting of the previous post... Hopefully, the layout below will be more conducive to seeing why some might have issues with perceptions/perspectives of law enforcement officers.... As said before, I think sometimes there are officers who by very nature of entering this line of work are disposed towards these perceptions and there are other cases where the experiences they have while on the force can cause some of these perspectives to come about - and to even seem justified...
Your words: I never said anything about Guilt or Innocence
The issue: If this is the case see issue on next line
Your words: we were protecting Law abiding citizens
The issue: This would constitute the officer making a judgment on guilt or innocence
Your words: hanging out in areas they did not belong.
The issue: Once again, subjective - who are "they?”
Your words: Hispanics in a predominate black or blacks in a predominate Hispanic area wearing a certain color
The issue: Profiling at its best. Can we say Trayvon Martin?
Your words: And, that could mean only one thing ?
The issue: Really? They couldn't possibly live there or be visiting friends?
Your words: My job was to ensure the hardworking public
The issue: So where does this leave those who are not "hardworking" How is this
defined? God forbid I am not working
Your words: the families that were raising their children
The issue: I better have children
Your words: We would simply make the arrest
The issue: There is nothing "simple" about an arrest - believe me. It changes one’s
life. Don't believe me? Get arrested -particularly for having done nothing wrong
Your words: As for the traffic stop, I agree and disagree with profiling.
The issue: There is so many issues here....I disagree with it if it is solely based on race; " something looks way out of place” "dressed in the wrong color” “wrong neighborhood" "wrong time”-- All subjective
Your words: wing span of the driver
The issue: Since when is the passenger side of backseat or trunk within wingspan? I have been subject to officers searching the whole car – without cause – and far outside “wingspan.”
Your words: My favorite question
The issue: Sounds like you enjoyed this a bit too much
Your words: As they say ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
The issue: And abuse of it by officers is not either
OK, this was on the local news (my best friend told me about it). A cop had a warrant for someone and went to his last known address. In fact, two officers went. It was in an poverty stricken area. The two officers didn't even knock on the door, they just barged in. There was an older lady there and a teen. The officers went after the teen, and he headed for his room. The officers tasered the teen and kept saying "quit resisting." Turned out, the teen was not the person the cops had a warrant for. Shit like this happens often here. Maybe you just didn't notice it happening on your force.
Thanks for the responses Remy -
As I said, nothing personal.... just some observations....
As in any field, there are the good and the not so good (although, officers are, and should be, held to a higher standard - by nature of the profession).
I actually have a few friends who are officers...
One recently got out of the line of work because he tired of some of the mentality of other officers.
As Skeebo pointed out, there are those officers who really do go above and beyond and have not lost the ability to connect with other humans and their lives....
I actually have only had a few experiences with the law (mostly traffic related) - fortunately for me, when the court date has been set for a Friday afternoon, they very rarely show up and the ticket gets dismissed ;D
I learned a while ago (at least in regards to traffic tickets) - always plead not guilty.... it usually ends with no points, no school, and only the mandatory court costs.... not the original fine + costs, + traffic school + points on the license....
Can you tell I was going to be an attorney at one point in life? ;)
As in any field, there are the good and the not so good (although, officers are, and should be, held to a higher standard - by nature of the profession).
What about doctors, by nature of their profession. Life and death. Sickness and health. Pain and comfort. What about elementary school teachers, we trust them with our kids! What about engineers? Or Air traffic controllers... I was in a near miss air crash over Newark. I heard through the grapevine the controller involved is a very bad seed.
Whatevas
(Who is Trayvon Martin?)
Really? Wow
What was her crime that entitled her to a punch in the face?
Here in Seattle, after years of "patter of excessive force in violation of the constition" the US justice department now is in control of our pd.
The same thing has occurr at LAPD and New Orleans.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/27/nation/la-na-nn-seattle-police-reforms-justice-20120727
That brings me back to my first point, can we really trust local police to protect its citizens civil rights? So far history says no..IMHO
We have a nice scandal developing in the Philly police department. Last month a video went viral of a police officer punching a woman in the face during the Puerto Rican Pride Parade. It was so bad that the commissioner fired the officer. Then what happens? The police union decides to have a $30/person fundraiser for the officer.
Yes, who?
This is in order to receive Federal $$$ they must undergo Federal oversight but nothing really changes because as a Police Officer you are always under Federal oversight.
So far history says no that a local Police Dept cannot protect the citizen civil rights? Your credibility just flew out the window.
Not quite, the US Justice Department was called into Seattle by the community due to the long standing misconduct within the Seattle Police Department which ended with police shooting an killing a man who was carving a totem pole on the side of the road. Google John T. Williams. The justice department gave the city a choice, agree to federal oversight or get sued.
As far as history, look at the last 100 years in the US. We have a history of civil rights violations from the abuses in the south, to lapd, to Cincinatti, Chicago, New Orleans, the list goes on a on and on to the most recent case where the Justice Department had to step in during the Trayvon Martin case. If you take a look at US history during the past 100 years its local law enforcement that has lost all credibility.
You know for someone who was a former cop you are pretty uneducated on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
No where in this thread have I or anyone else said that all police officers, or all police agencies are bad. Nor have I made the assumption that I speak for anyone other than myself.
What I have said is that I do not agree with the statement "there are just some bad apples" as an excuse for the history in this country of police misconduct. It has been quite a history also.
We (the United States) has a long history of police misconduct with regards to civil rights and corruption. I do not agree that it is just media bias. The amount of intervention the US justice department has done, in just the last 20 years shows its not just one sensational story but more of a pattern of abuses.
I also think the experiences that many people have shared on this thread speaking to how they were mistreated by the police add validity to that.
I'm sorry my opinion pisses you off.
As far as what I think the police force should look like. Thats a good question and I dont begin to think I have all the answers but I do support more federal control. I just dont think local governmebts have demonstrated they can handle the task.
The teen headed for his room was he running away? Who does that?
The officers were trying to arrest him, even though he wasn't the person named on the warrant, and he was trying to get away from the officers, all the while telling them he wasn't their man. Would you let the police arrest you falsely?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-05/nra-backed-law-spells-out-when-indianans-may-open-fire-on-police.html
Don't forget, here in Hoosierville, citizens can use deadly force against officers who go unauthorized into someone's home.
I had not heard of that Law that kind of seems insane.
My advice if you are being arrest lawfully or unlawfully is not fight or run and to take it up with your Attorney, the Criminal Courts & the Civil Courts when you sue. When you run and/or fight it only makes you look dirty in the eyes of the Law. When I worked gangs there used to be a saying you run, get caught & want to fight the only thing that is going to beat you to the Hospital in the Ambulance you are in. Officers are paid to do a job and not paid to lose fights.
The law Betty is talking about is no more insane than an officer (or anyone for that matter) thinking they can enter my home without at least announcing themselves..... This would probably be one of the only times when I would be a proponent of the stand your ground law.... A police officer picks my home by accident and thinks he/she can enter - I will shoot first and the cop can take it up with the law (judge) later. Why should I have to let them in my home (unlawfully) and me take it up with the law..... and guess what... I bet any jury in the world would side with me...
Oh and your comment about someone who runs from an officer ending up in an ambulance as cops "are paid to do a job and not lose fights" speaks volumes about just the things that have been brought up on this thread regarding SOME law enforcement officers being worse than the criminals they are after.....
I did not read the article but I am guessing the hispanic guy shot the black guy and the world ended.
As I’m still not entirely sure the original intent of this thread, I’ve only been passively participating. I guess I recognized that this would be one of those that should have died a premature death but because of its nature, just opened a box of emotions.
A relative new member sneaks in a controversial thread that most us recognize will cause heated words. I’m now witnessing so many here that I care about and respect allowing this ignorant thread to cause hostility.
The OP recently joined and then started this to support us and offer his expertise?
I have actually pulled a trigger and hit what I was aiming at and that is something you have to live with everyday for the rest of your life second guessing if there is anything you could of done differently to prevent it from happening. It is is a horrible thing to have to live with because once that hammer drops there is no taking the bullet back.
At this point I don't even care to read his history.
As I’m still not entirely sure the original intent of this thread, I’ve only been passively participating. I guess I recognized that this would be one of those that should have died a premature death but because of its nature, just opened a box of emotions.
A relative new member sneaks in a controversial thread that most us recognize will cause heated words. I’m now witnessing so many here that I care about and respect allowing this ignorant thread to cause hostility.
The OP recently joined and then started this to support us and offer his expertise?
He was a 17 year old black male who was walking back from a convenience store after buying some Skittles and some tea. The only reason he was followed and cornered was because he was a black male.
I'm sure by your comment above you view the world as a better place when things like this happen.
Typical pig, oink oink!
At this point I don't even care to read his history.
How many doughnuts did you have to eat to drown your sorrows?
That is exactly why I started the thread to simply answer questions ones might have in regards to this realted to Police but out came the worms.
That's my entire point, HE doesn't have a history here. Coming from a huge family of military and law enforcement family, I find most of his views idiotic and will not allow him the benefit of raising my blood pressure one point.
I personally will never allow someone who completed a six week academy course teach me the realities of anything.
From my history here in these forums, you might want to calm it down a bit because there are some strong personalities here. I was initially confused why anyone would need to know what the police in our society do but after reading all the posts, everyone has their own viewpoints and I see nothing but a thread meant to incite.
I too didn't make a great appearance in these forums, but that was because I was AIDSY sick, but don't make the mistake of thinking.....oh well, I hope you got it by now.
I haven't watched the news or read a newspaper in years probably why I never heard of this story. I did not read the article but I am guessing the hispanic guy shot the black guy and the world ended.You scare me. Years?
My advice if you are being arrest lawfully or unlawfully is not fight or run and to take it up with your Attorney, the Criminal Courts & the Civil Courts when you sue. When you run and/or fight it only makes you look dirty in the eyes of the Law. When I worked gangs there used to be a saying you run, get caught & want to fight the only thing that is going to beat you to the Hospital in the Ambulance you are in. Officers are paid to do a job and not paid to lose fights.The teen was not fighting, nor running since he was in a house; he was simply trying to get to his bedroom, all the while telling the cops they had the wrong person.
You scare me. Years?
The teen was not fighting, nor running since he was in a house; he was simply trying to get to his bedroom, all the while telling the cops they had the wrong person.
Are you saying that by his attempting to go to his room to stop a false arrest, that justifies the officers tasing him??
And here's the thing, I've seen it happen multiple times. If a cop wants to arrest someone, they will come up with charges, whether or not those charges are justified. A while back they sent 3 cops to (different) prisons because they were meat eaters, surely you're familiar with that term. They were selling drugs they were busting other people for. They would take so much out before they turned the drugs in as evidence, and sell them.
We really don't know your background. You say nothing dishonest ever happened in your department. You were either blind, or taking part and don't want to admit it.
Another thing, when giving advice on certain "laws," you do know laws differ from state to state, and county to county. For instance, the county I live in, a person has to be arrested 3 times for shoplifting (criminal conversion) before it becomes a felony. One county over, the very first time, even if it was just a pack of gum, it's a felony when someone attempts to steal something. I realize there are similarities in laws, but there are also differences.
remy, i think you started this thread with good intentions. unfortunately some feathers got ruffled. some feelings were too sensitive, and a couple of your statements neatly encapsulate the undercurrent of tension that many people feel towards the police. and not sure where you're going with the song lyrics.
you lost me with your 2% line. the problem with that is its subjective to your viewpoint. you don't get to decide who is in the 2% of the population that its ok to treat like scum. i profile right into that 2%, cops don't seem to like me. never mind that i'm a military veteran.
its been my experience that a citizen exercising their rights in a police encounter is going to be challenged in a confrontational way.
Just out of curiosity can you be a cop and be HIV positive? What we should do is change the arcane drug laws in America. Then maybe we wouldn't have the most prisons and prisoners in the whole wide world.
Remy, have you arrested anyone for possession for Marijuana?
How is the stuff you're smoking right now? Is it that primo stuff I read about in High Times?
I do not use, I am a supporter of those who do. As of California resident I can state that getting a Rx card in this State is very easy but I do not believe anyone should have to possess a card to smoke something is a plant that was put on this Planet for a reason.
http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=43991.0
You did say smoking didn't you?
If you wanna get technical.... you did say you didn't use, right? I suppose this is what you call a Clinton moment.
... nothing like being caught in a lie. Now where is my free donut?
... nothing like being caught in a lie. Now where is my free donut?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2368/2272902662_f2b2eff9e5.jpg)
I will not alter the way I formulate a sentence for anyone, I believed I was answering the question. This response will be the last time I address this issue.
I will not alter the way I formulate a sentence for anyone, I believed I was answering the question. This response will be the last time I address this issue.
You sound like Mitt Romney.
If you are suggesting I am a liar should that not be addressed as you sound like both Romney & President Obama? Because aren't they both liars?
Um, okay. ::)
Quit deflecting girlfriend.This response will be the last time I address this issue.
I am very close to the border and a war is taking place there every day. Innocent people are being slaughter and something needs to be done ASAP. I believe legalization is the only course of action we have left.Please, please, please say you don't live in San Diego. And if by some chance you do, how would you know this based on the fact that you don't watch, read or otherwise view news? Most importantly, just tell me you don't live in SD.
Please, please, please say you don't live in San Diego. And if by some chance you do, how would you know this based on the fact that you don't watch, read or otherwise view news? Most importantly, just tell me you don't live in SD.
I bet you surf without waves.... so cool.
here in georgia today.... i've recently moved back into my departed grandparents home, our family has owned this home since wwII. in that time the area went from simple working class folks, to crime ridden streets. south central ATL
nice fall day, left my door open to allow the breeze in the screen door.
i take things like castle doctrine and curtilage seriously.
two police suvs pulled up in front of my house, one officer entered my property (came through the only open gate on the property)
it is reasonable for a person to walk from a public area to the obvious main entrance to the home using the most obvious path. otherwise, government agents need consent, a warrant, or probable cause of exigent circumstances to enter a home's curtilage.
cop didn't come to my door, instead he circled my house using what i would call tactical movement. as soon as he passed the front of the house i stopped and challenged him. "STOP, CAN I HELP YOU SIR? then asking why he didn't come to the door. at this time, his partner was pulling in.
concerns of burglaries in the area, health and welfare check of my elderly father. both reasonable answers.
then they began questioning me. asked to search my home, i refused. if you've got nothing to hide, why are you refusing? (a fools argument at best) i gave my name, and asked them to return with a warrant. they left. sat in his cruiser for 10-15 mins probably running a warrant check. over the course of the rest of the day did at least 10 slow drive bys.
i am treated like a suspect because of where i live, the house my grandfather bought when he returned for the pacific theater. this house has raised generations of my family. it is our castle. i resent being profiled into the "2%" because our family is lower working class. i am the 1%, not the rich, but the 1% that has served.
i resent cameras on every street corner, equipped with facial recognition and plate readers, all accessible from officers laptops in the cruiser.
i fear the rising police state, and the militarization of the police.
I would love to live in San Diego but I can't afford it. Housing is 244% higher in San Diego than Greensboro
meat eaters and grass eaters were new york terms that came out of the knapp commission.... we're talking serpico here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapp_Commission
If an Officer wants you to go into the Station to give a statement response should be 'Am I under arrest' if the answer is NO, DON'T GO.
Never EVER think speaking to Police is in your best interest because it is not, do not help their investigation by opening your mouth and giving voluntary statements no matter what the case or charge.
I read this with intrigue and chose not to comment until I spoke to my police chief uncle. He indicated that in most cases, not cooperating will likely result in an arrest if there is suspicion of a crime or if someone else made a complaint against an individual. If you don't relate your side of the story, the officer is left to make a decision on what "facts" or "allegations" he has.
If I weren't so dang lazy I could probably find some other credible links, but I already suspected that your advice wasn't appropriate.
yeah, serpico, it wasn't meant as a joke, its where the terms came from. not the movie, the real thing.
I would love to live in San Diego but I can't afford it. Housing is 244% higher in San Diego than Greensboro but salaries in my field are approximately the same. BTW violent crime and property crime in Greensboro is ranked 8 out of 10 (10 being the worst) where San Diego is only 5/10.
I read this with intrigue and chose not to comment until I spoke to my police chief uncle. He indicated that in most cases, not cooperating will likely result in an arrest if there is suspicion of a crime or if someone else made a complaint against an individual. If you don't relate your side of the story, the officer is left to make a decision on what "facts" or "allegations" he has.
If I weren't so dang lazy I could probably find some other credible links, but I already suspected that your advice wasn't appropriate.
I'm aware of that Zach, geeze. Don't take it so personal. I was merely pointing out those terms stuck in law enforcement and are still in use today.
This is a very simple rule to follow:
If the Officer has PC already you are going to jail and you should never speak with them.
If the Officer needs to talk with you they are looking for PC and by talking that is only going to help them.
Hey, we agree on something!!!!
Unless you are the victim, there is no reason to speak with the police. Your first step should be finding a good defense attorney, your second step is to STFU!!
I also agree that San Diego is a great city (except for some reason every time I am there I freeze my ass of, and that's from someone who lives in Seattle, go figure)
And I agree with you that smoking pot (or in your case vaporizing or whatevs) is A-OK!
See, common ground my friend
That is an incredibly weak viewpoint.
Fair enough, instead of discourse, let it die. Remember the Eagle raid in Atlanta? Lets hope the same thing never happens at an AIDSmeds Gathering.
Creepy
There is article in the local paper today how police are now using portable fingerprint scanners. They can scan your finger, an in 30 seconds it tells them who you are, your criminal history, etc.
Creepy
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019468300_fingerprints19m.html
They don't have to worry about Remy though, he's retired. He is probably doing a confessional on Santa Monica Beach right now!
i realize that since i don't have the "history" here, and that i haven't had AIDS as long as others, my input is not as legitimate. its something i've been reminded of before here. so i'll go sit in the corner and be quite now.
I have to agree because I remember this incident - and it was completely unsuprising to me that they did it. The police have stomped all over me and my rights - and don't give me any of your "closet criminal" bullshit, remy - and as far as I am concened, they can all fucking rot for all I care.
Police can (and do...and DID, in my case) manufacture "probable cause" all the damn time because they know they can get away with it almost every time. In my case, simce some of you are likely wondering, I had to sit in jail for three fucking months over bullshit charges that were eventually completely dropped...but not until after having to pay out thousands for an attorney and having to sit in terror in jail. Oh...and missing the funeral of my dear cousin while in there.
If the police would have done their jobs properly instead of acting like the rat fucking bastards they are, none of it would have ever happened. I fucking hate them. Might as well just say so.
There is article in the local paper today how police are now using portable fingerprint scanners. They can scan your finger, an in 30 seconds it tells them who you are, your criminal history, etc.
Creepy
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019468300_fingerprints19m.html
It is creepy. Then you throw in the fact that cops are smoking that high grade (or eating, vaporizing) kush and can't even remember that they do it. What if during a weed induced traffic stop they forgot to clear the scanner and think the soccer mom they just pulled over for going 7 mph over the speed limit is a serial rapist?
Soccer moms every where should be scared.
They don't have to worry about Remy though, he's retired. He is probably doing a confessional on Santa Monica Beach right now!