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Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« on: June 27, 2011, 09:20:48 am »
Hello.  I have two scenarios to discuss.  It might be nothing but I need to ask.  I am a bisexual male in my 40s.  Sorry for the graphicness:

1)  I had an enounter with a sex worker about 3 weeks ago.  At the beginning of the sesion she playfully sat on my stomach area and was very close to my penis, which was erect.  I kind of pulled back but I can't be certain, I'm 99% sure, that my penis did not enter her for about a second uncovered.  There was no intercourse, alot of kissing, biting and hand stimulation on both our parts.  I did not insert a finger into her vagina, but I rubbed the top portion.  She did insert a "toy" into me, but I saw here wash it for a good 30 seconds.

2)  Over the weekend, in a moment of drunk weekness, I went to a xxx video store and had a random encounter with a stranger.  We both used our hands on eachother as welll as gave eachother head.  There was no ejaculation by either of us, but I did feel some precum on his hand and in my mouth.

Saturday I started feeling a tightness in my chest, and yesterday that morphed into a major headache and sore throat.  No fever but last night I had the sweats/chills while in bed and was pretty much "dead to the world."  I could not get out of bed.....just a lot of body aches and stuff.  So.....should I have any worries?  Need a test?  I ave mad a DR appointment this morning.  Any help would be 100% appreciated.



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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 09:22:17 am »
Just want to clarify.....I'm 99% sure my penis did NOT enter her, but can't be certain.  Not sure if I typed it out right the first time. 

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 09:32:18 am »
justa,

What you describe with the sex worker sound like frottage. Frottage is the rubbing of genitals together without penetration and is NOT a risk for hiv infection. I think you would have known if you penetrated her.

Even if you did very briefly penetrate her, you would be very unlikely to end up positive over this. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus and it is much more difficult to transmit from a woman to a man. In a positive woman, hiv is found in the thick mucus that covers the cervix deep inside the vagina. A brief, shallow penetration would not pose much risk.

Nothing that happened at the video store was a risk for hiv infection. Mutual masturbation is not a risk and neither is oral. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes the damage hiv and render it unable to infect. You do not need to test over this situation.

If you do decide to test over the incident with the sex worker, the earliest you should test is at six weeks, as the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by this time, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. A six week negative must be confirmed at the three month point. I would fully expect you to test negative over this situation.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY OVER FROTTAGE, MUTUAL MASTURBATION OR BLOWJOBS, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 09:46:44 am »
I agree Ann, that if I had penatrated her we both would have known.  I was just kind of shocked she did it because it was so close.  I don't even think she meant to do it.

Do I even need to test?  I do know the girl in question, I could call and ask her about her status.  It's probably needless worrying, but getting sick this weekend kind of made me nervous.  I am trying to get a DR appointment for today.  For all I know it could be strepped throat!

Thank you for the swift answer.

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 10:51:02 am »
Justa,

Asking anyone about their hiv status is no way to go about protecting yourself. Many people do not accurately know their status and some people will lie. All you have to do is use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and it will not matter what their status may be.

Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection and the only true sexual risks are unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse.

If you did not penetrate her, then you do not need to test specifically over that situation.

 However, as I said before, as a sexually active adult you should be testing not only for hiv, but for all the other, more easily transmitted STIs as well, at least once a year. It's what responsible people do.

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 05:23:33 pm »
Hi Ann.  Just checking back but I chose not to call her.  I felt it was in poor taste and I really don't believe I have anything to worry about.  I just think I feel like crap the past few days and it's my mind playing tricks on me.

And I'm due for a checkup soon, and I will have a blood test done across the board.

Thanks agian.

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 08:53:01 pm »
Good idea. And by "blood test" I hope you mean a full STD panel. We recommend that as a regular thing for anyone who is sexually active.

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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 07:41:06 am »
Yes sir, this is what I meant. 

Thank you both for responding.  Keep up the great work!

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 08:17:25 am »
You're welcome.
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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 12:56:18 pm »
Just a follow up.....just got back from the DR visit.  "Acute Tonsillitis" is the verdict.  Which I guess could have come from the video store encounter, amongst other things.  I'm guessing there is no connection to anything HIV related and I can move on?  I still will get the STI tests done later this month, but I would have done that anyway, as I recently turned 40 and want a complete checkup.

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 01:22:54 pm »
Justa,

No, no connection to hiv. Please re-read your entire thread. Our answers are not going to change.

Ann
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 03:10:13 pm »
Like I said, needless worrying.  Thanks again...

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2011, 08:44:37 am »
I didn't want to start a new thread and this is somewhat related.

I called for my checkup and they said I can come in for blood work today or tomorrow, anytime.  I'm thinking my session with the SW was either June 8th or maybe June 1st.  Or this to soon to get the STD test, which will include a test for HIV?  It was either 4 or 5 weeks ago this happened.  I believe you said at 6 weeks is a good time for a test.

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2011, 09:05:38 am »
First of all the rule here is to keep all your entries in the same thread even if it's a new subject. So you are doing the right thing by posting here.

The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the very smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. A negative result at 6 weeks is a good indication that a conclusive result at 3 months is going to be negative.

This is all said within the context of your not actually having had a risk, so for you testing is strictly for your peace of mind. 
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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2011, 09:13:05 am »
Got it.  Yes, it's mainly for "peace of mind."  I think getting sick sort of freaked me out.  I know my symptoms are not "HIV specific" but it didn't help in the matter.  I think 95% of my problem is mental and the other 5% is reading stuff on the internet.

FWIW....this is the only site I trust and nothing personal, but I hope I'm not posting here again, other then to close this subject for good with a negative result!

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2011, 09:56:07 am »
Surfing the net about HIV issues generally only seems to feed people's worst fears and all to no good purpose. Staying off of sounds like a good idea to me.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2011, 09:57:35 am »
Justa,

Put it this way - if the illness you experienced had anything to do with hiv seroconversion, your test today or tomorrow would be at the very least indeterminate, if not fully positive. The illness that sometimes accompanies seroconversion is not due to your body's reaction to the virus itself, it's a reaction to the process the body goes through while making antibodies. That's why it's commonly called seroconversion illness.

You didn't have a risk for hiv infection, remember?

Ann
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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2011, 10:05:27 am »
Justa,

Put it this way - if the illness you experienced had anything to do with hiv seroconversion, your test today or tomorrow would be at the very least indeterminate, if not fully positive. The illness that sometimes accompanies seroconversion is not due to your body's reaction to the virus itself, it's a reaction to the process the body goes through while making antibodies. That's why it's commonly called seroconversion illness.

You didn't have a risk for hiv infection, remember?

Ann

I know and it's just my mind playing tricks on me.  To much time on my hands I guess.  You start conjuring up all these oddball scenarios.  Like last night I'm lying in bed and I start thinking, "what if some guy came inside of her before me and it was still in her when I was?"  That's when I realized I'm making myself crazy.  My goodness the odds of me even being inside her for a second are 1 in 100.   I'm going to stay awy from the internet, at leaset on this topic, and get on with life in general.  SOrry to be a pest!

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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2011, 03:22:02 pm »
Was really bored at work and I know I said I wouldn't do it, but I was surfing the web and decided to compare the "symptoms" to tonsillitis and HIV.  They are nearly identical.  Actually everything I have points to the tonsillitis which I know I already have! It's odd how we think the worst even though the odds, the proof, and more importantly, the science, points elsewhere.  Just thought I'd throw this in.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2011, 03:29:15 pm »
You need to find something better to do with yourself at work.
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Re: Needless worrying? Two scenarios
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2011, 03:59:03 pm »
You need to find something better to do with yourself at work.

I do not disagree.  Summer is super slow here.  I will and it won't be looking this stuff up anymore.

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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2011, 05:05:45 pm »
Good.  Time to move on with your life and appreciate and protect your negative status by always using condoms for intercourse, both anal and vaginal of course.

Over and out.
Andy Velez

 


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