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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: kekelow on December 03, 2006, 06:56:57 pm
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my sister has hiv I was staying at her house and she was leaving blood on the toilet. I don't know if a small amout of her blood got on me that could have been inside the rim in the front by my private area. I'm afaid I got a naat test it was neg at 19 days.I took another and waiting for results to come back 12/11/06. please help :-[
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I've just removed your other thread. Please keep all of your entries in this one thread. That way other readers can follow the conversation and also contribute in a more informed way.
Now, to your concern. Even if you touched your sister's blood that was not a risk for HIV. HIV is a fragile virus and it is passed only in very particular ways.
Please read the lesson on this site about Transmission. You can find a link to it in the Welcome thread which is at the top of this section. It's important that you become better informed about the real risks for transmission, and blood on a toilet seat is not one of them.
By becoming better informed you can protect your health and also avoid the kind of problems in relations which happen when someone is both frightened by and uniinformed about HIV/AIDS.
Cheers,
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Thank you Andy i read on the net if it's still moist i can get it. I'm still very afaid I get my test 12/11/06 naat. I didn't see any blood on top of the toilet are the side but i'm still sraced, becase wouldn't a toilet be the same as a razor as on any surface. My sister is undectable and i talked to her hiv doctor and she said I couldn't get it this way but i'm still afaid. ??? ???
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If she is undetectable then it is much less likely, although I guess possible. However given this information, the amount of blood to be a risk to you would have to be a noticeable amount. This assumes of course that you used the toilet immediately after she left blood on there and then you dipped your wick in it....and got enough on to be at risk, ie to have seen it. That doesn't take into account the virus inactivating by drying in the time she used the toilet to the time she did. The bottom line is you don't get HIV from a toilet seat.
What bothers me a little is that you and your sister have not talked about it. She has HIV and needs your love and support. HIV does enough to divide people so you maybe should have an adult discussion over it. Do so with a mindset that you want to understand more about it and educate yourself. Don't tell her of your concern but get her to tell you how it is transmitted. She will know. Still will know you don't get it from a toilet seat.
Just an idea.
Rich
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I don't care what you have read where on the net. You don't get HIV from sitting on a toilet seat, even if it belongs to an HIV+ vampire. No kidding. That is just HIV ignorance you are talking.
What is really more to the point is the issue that HIV Worker has raised with you about how much you and your sister have talked or not talked about HIV. And what kind of support are you giving her or are you just seeing her as a BIG HIV RISK in your life?
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I don't see my sister like thatbut they say hiv lives out side the body for a short time i went in the bathroom about 10min i think after i went to her house. I love my sister and i spend a lot of time with her, but see do things that are scary to and i have a 6 year old niece that lives with her. I've talked to her about leaving blood on the toilet and she gets crazy on me. She thinks that since she is nondective that she don't have hiv any more any way we hang out all the the truth is I'm terrified and waiting for my test. Thank you Andy and hivworker and hivworker that sraced me more when you said it possible any thank both of you and i am going to talk to my sister like you guys surgested even throuh i'm scraced as hell.Hiv worker i'm a women i don't have a wick, but thank you for making me laugh i needed that. :(
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No I DIDN'T say it was possible. I said if you had a penis covered in blood, I could understand it. The truth is that you didn't and you don't get HIV from toilet seats!
R
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Hi hiv worker I'm still sraced i'm a women i know you can't get hiv from siting on tiolets i'm worried if blood was on the in side of the rim and it touch my vargina and infected me like a small amount i didn't see. I called the cdc and aids hot line and they said you can't get it from envoirmental surfaces i don't belive theme, because if it's wet you can still get it. The labortory reseach that they did at cdc it says when the blood was dry no rick what if a small amout is wet that a person can't see or feel on their private area. I know you work in reseach and i will belive you i just don't under stand, did you mean that you can't get hiv if it's not blood on a toilet. Thank you i'm still sraced i can't sleep or focus on other things i just think about my test coming back on 12/11/06 please hiv worker write back.
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Kekelow,
I understand you being scared, this is new to you despite your sister being poz. But take a moment and catch your breath before your fears get the best of you. You've taken the test once, negative and are waiting on the results to the second, there's nothing left for you to do but wait. But Andy and HIVworker have told you that it is not possible to become infected from the blood on the toilet seat, they are not doctors but you can take comfort in knowing that they very knowledgeable when it comes to HIV.
Knowledge is power, get involved. Since you see your sister often, why not ask if you could go to one of her appointments. That way, you could ask the doctor whatever questions you may have and also be some kind of support for your sister, I'm sure she would appreciate the gesture. Just a suggestion. Also, the Forums can be very enlightening as well. It definitely makes for a good read and there are also some great people here.
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Thank you Akasha the cdc the aid hot line said the virus don't live outside the body long i don't belive theme. I'm still scared and it's very hard and stressful waiting for my test. My sister said she wasn't bleeding on this day i don't belive her and she says she wipe the toilet off after useing it. I don't belive her because she has lied to me before about leaving blood on the toilet. I slept in the same bed plenty of nights with my sister when i stay at her house. It's the blood that terrifys me deeply and i'v talked to her about it before so what can i do notting i can't change her. Thank change her. ??? ??? ???
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"I don't believe her." "I don't believe..."
Fortunately feelings aren't facts. You don't get HIV from toilet seats. No one ever has and you aren't going to become the first. Even if some HIV+ blood touched your vaginal lips, that still wouldn't be enough to transmit the virus to you. HIV needs a receptive climate in which to survive and flourish. The lips of your vagina are NOT such a climate.
Nothing you have described is a real risk for HIV transmission.
It's very unfortunate that at the moment your fears seem to be dominating the situation. You need to get sorted out and differentiate between your fears and the realities of HIV science. Otherwise you're going to continue to make yourself and possibly your sister and niece very needlessly unhappy.
You might consider getting in touch with any AIDS service organization in your area to become better informed. Alternatively discussing your concerns with a doctor who has an HIV practice might be helpful. You might ask your sister if it's ok for you to talk with her doctor.
This is not an HIV situation in terms of risk. But it is one which deserves some attention so that you don't simply go on living with and affecting others with your unfounded fears.
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Thank you Andy i have talked to her hiv specilist and i'm still sraced . Her doctor said i wouldn't be able to get it from my sister, the doctor even showed me mt sister's blood work she has been undectable for months, but i can't stop worrying about it. My test will be back 12/11/06 the clinic said i will be o'kay what worry me is sceitist at the cdc don't know how long the virus lives outside the body and so that puts me at risk. Thank you again all of you just waiting in terror. >:( >:(
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I'm afaid about my hiv test results tommorow. Mt sister has banned me from her house and she want her key back from me i don't know what to do she is one of my closet sister's to me, i don't know i'm to sraced rigth now please help i called the cdc again and the guy said any time a person been expose to blood it's a risk, but hiv can't mantain or infect outside the body. What is sracing me is the word risk. Thank you. :( :( :( :( :(
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If you would have acted like that at my house I would have kicked you out too. You didn't have a risk and you sure in the hell don't need a test from this situation.
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Thanks Rapid i'm still afaid abotu my sister tommoror and i'm very concereded abotu if my sister or her daugthers will talk to me anymore. Her granddaugther had her third b-day yesterday and i wasn't weclome, becase of all of this, but i'm still terribly afaid. Thank you ??? ??? ??? ???
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You might start with an apology to your sister for your actions. That would be a first step.
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Totally agree. Worrying about getting HIV is one thing, not caring for your sister and being ignorant about the disease she is suffering from is another. You need to swallow some pride here, get with the program and stop worrying about yourself. That's my opinion based on what I have heard you say. Nothing incidents that haven't put you at risk for HIV don't give you a free pass to act like you don't care about your sister or fail to understand how HIV is really transmitted. She has locked you out the house because you are acting like an ass about this. She needs you to be there for her, not be there to point fingers...
R
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I'm just afaid and thats it all i do rigth now is go for my test the cdc says anytime blood gets a person there is a risk and terrififys me deeply.Thank you i'm a mess rigth now ??? ??? ??? ???
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Hi,
Having just read this thread I have to say that I wonder if your fear is not really related to your sister and the toilet seat but that maybe you are concerned about other encounters, perhaps unprotected sex, where you were at risk? Either way, councelling would be a good idea to help you with this extreme, and in the case of the toilet seat, irrational fear that seems to be driving your family away, understandably.
Best wishes
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Suzieque i'v had protected sex with condoms i'v all ready tested neg for sex.I'm really only worried about the toilet incident i'm going for my results today. Thank for your input wish me luck. ??? ??? ???
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I got my test today you guys were rigth it was neg thank you guys for putting up with me Andy, hivworker, rapid, akaska and i'm going to try to talk to my siste.I don't know if she will forgive me this time, but i won't give up she's my closets sister to me.Thank you :) :) :)
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I hope that you will get over this scare and help her. We need more understanding about HIV. It is difficult to get and nobody (I reference HIV negative/HIV positive couples) have never got it from sharing a house. You need to understand that.
R
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Andy,hiv worker,and rapidrod I'm still afaid i hiv, because i only took the naat and a antibody test at about 40 days it's worrying me more and more.Plus i think one of my other sister's blood got on me, but she said she had recenty took her hiv test and it was neg.I belive her,because she doesn't get afaid when i keep asking her.Can someone tell me about the naat test the gay and lesiban center in hollywood were i take at said a person just needs to wait three weeks and i did.But i'm starting to wonder if the test was rigth please help rapid Rod,Andy or hiv worker. ??? ??? ???
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I'm sorry but this forum isn't for you. You seriously need to think about getting some kind of counselling.
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RapidRod,Hivworker,or Andy can someone please tell me about the naat if it is accurate.Thank you :( :( :(
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keke,
NAT testing is what the blood banks use to screen donated blood. It is accurate.
You didn't have a risk for hiv infection in anything you have brought to this forum, so of course your result was negative.
Ann
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This whole thread rubs me up the wrong way. Here is a guy who has a sister that needs his support and he is merely worried about getting HIV from her or other sisters that may or may not be infected. The selfish nature of the posting and disregard for any HIV education sickens me. And so I refrain from being party to this, I will hit the ignore function.
Best wishes to your sister. You need help too.
R
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I'm sorry Hiv Worker, it's the cdc that has scared me so much they said to test just about over any thing. I was never afaid and thinking about hiv all the time my sister do my house the one with hiv. The cdc told me to go get tested for six mouths just because this guys precum got on this tiny cut i had and then when i called theme about my sister they said you can't get hiv from a enviormentle surface then they turn around and say i'm still at risk if someone blood gets on my hand,it's the cdc that puts people in friend my sister that is hiv when i would stay a t here house i would sleep in the same bed with her. I never thougt about any of these things until i called the cdc one day and i'm a women not a man, and when it comes to my sister with hiv i have a hard time dealing with her having hiv more then she do. I know i need help,but i wasn't like this until the cdc put all these things in my mind i don't even sex any more,becase of the fear they put in and my sister i love her the so much and god knows i miss her it brings tears to my eye's when you say i don't care about my sister i have a hard real hard time dealing with my sister haveing this bullshit and i've learned what i won't to do with the rest of my life,i'm going go to school to be a hiv conselor this is what i won't to do. I know i have a long way to go i'm staring to see how my head play tricks on me. I'm sorry if i offened any body, but from being on i finally know what i won't to do in my life yes i am very very fearful, but i know i can walk threw fear and help other people.Thank you hiv worker what you said triggered up some pain in me that i having dealt with thats has to do with my sister having hiv we grow up together and i just can't belive my sister got this desease i'm telling you this shit not easy sorry for cursing.Thank you ??? ??? ???
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I'm sorry Ann,RapidRod,HivWorker for my fear of hiv and i have no idea how i'm going to get to talk to my sister again.I feel so sad about what i'v done to my sister i miss her so much. I'm going to call her today i don't know if she will forgive me this time. I'm going to explain to her how this site has help me. Andy, Ann,RapidRod, hiv worker can some please tell me where i can donate money to hiv and i'm going to find a place where i can vonleteer. Hiv Worker you were rigth i was just thinking about my self my fear and it's to many people with this desease and i can be of service, sorry i keep forgeting this is not about me life is about helping others.Thank you for putting me in my place. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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kekelow,
You can donate to any local ASO (aids service organisation). Your sister may know of one in your area. As for volunteering to work with people living with hiv, perhaps that should wait until you are more firmly over your fears.
Ann
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Thank you, Ann i will donate and go to conseloring to deal with fears, then i'm going to voleteer my services. One other thing i'm going to do is write the cdc, because they're the was that got me so fearful in the first place telling me that it's still a risk if blood got on me, then they said but nobody ever got infecteded from a enviormental surface thats what confused me any Thank You,Ann you have been blessed with alot of courage just like my sister. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Hiv Worker I wanted to Thank You,Thank You,and Thank You. Today i got to say sorry to my sister and tell her how much i love her and missed her. She forgave me and i get to go to her house and spend time with her on Christmas. I't was the first time in our life i told her i love her and i'm going to be there for her Thank You So Much. Happy Holidays Hiv Worker,Ann,Andy,Rod, and cool ass Thunter34 sorry about your friend peace. :D :D :D
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'Cool Ass Thunter34?' Did I write something in this thread? I don't see it...
But I will accept the 'cool ass' part anyway!
Yeah. Cheers. Thanks a lot.
And Happy Holidays to you, too!
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Hi Ann I just needed to ask a quistion for my friend Chanel. She had sex with this guy she used a comdom, afterwards she said the guy was bleeding and a drop of blood was on the floor and she stopped in it. She said she had two tiny opening on her feet and now she is afiad. Ann, Andy, Rod can one of you guy tell her she is not at risk, because she won't listen to me. ::) ::) ::)
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keke,
No, your friend was not at risk from this incident. Have her read the Transmission Lesson - I trust you know where to find it by now?
Ann
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Thanks Ann she is reading it right now ::) ::)
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Ann Chanel has read the lessions, and she wont's to know what does direct contact means when blood is out of the body. She said she was reading the lessions, and she is concered because it says health care workers that get stuck with shape objects get hiv. Please Ann she is driving me crazy. I keep trying to tell her you don't get hiv from envoirmental surfaces can you explain to her why. ;D ;D ;D
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Is your friend Chanel really you? Another HIV exposure risk, a bit of a coincidence?
R
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Hiv worker it really is my frind, now can you help her out. I'm thinking maybe you can help her like you guys helped me. ::) ::) ::)
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kekelow, I'm at a point where I'm concerned for the reasons you come to this forum. I've read your posts and I've replied, then since I check out other forums it seems as though you have changed your story. Why would that be? Here you were concerned about being infected by your sister leaving blood on the toilet seat and at the other site you say it was a friend. 12/16/2006
I was at my friend's house that has hiv, and she was leaving blood on the toilet,and I don't know if some got on me.Please help i'm afaid.
Remember posting that on ehealth? or this one?Joined: 16 Dec 2006
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Location: corona
Can Someone Please Help Hiv
Posted: 12-16-06 4:05am
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I took naat at gay and lesiban center in hollywood and antibody test.You have to wait three weeks for naat all was neg.Exposer hiv infected blood on tiolet seat I think while at a friend's houses is who is hiv+, she was leaving her blood on the tiolet i'm afaid still after the test.
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The reson i said it was my frind on ehealth Rod is, because every one jumped all over me on this furum when i said she was my sister like i don't love my sister. I just didn't won't people to think i was a mean person, because i was afaid of my sister's blood thats all. This is not a game to me my whole family was very upset me also. Now Rod can you just answer my frind Chanel hiv exposer from the drop of blood on the floor and i wont post anymore. Thanks ::) ::) ::) ::)
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You nor your friend are at risk for infection, not a chance. I've read all your posts and some of them border on paranoia. I have to admit that I'm bothered by the appearance of this friend who happens to also have an unwarranted fear of transmission from a similar incident.
Put simply, skin is an effective barrier to HIV transmission, end of story. It doesn't matter if you stepped in it, or sat in it you won't become infected from either of the two instances you reported.
Don't bring any more what ifs in to question, it's time to move on or get some help outside this forum.
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You read the transmission section, don't begin by telling me her foot had a laceration and was bleeding. You knew the answer before you asked the question. If your friend wants to ask questions I would suggest she get her own account.
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This the last time Rod she wasn't bleeding. She said she put some aclohol on the two tiny cuts and went it sinked in she could feel the aclohol is this a risk. The cuts wasn't new and we didn't see any thing in the lessions on this.Last time Rod please help.
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She didn't have a risk.
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Thank you Rod. Peace :D :D :D
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keke,
Please do NOT ask your friend to create her own account unless she does it on her OWN computer. If she doesn't have her own computer, but relies on yours, do not create a new account. Thanks.
Ann
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Thanks Ann she has a computer and she will make a accont on her. 8) 8) 8)
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This the last time Rod she wasn't bleeding. She said she put some aclohol on the two tiny cuts and went it sinked in she could feel the aclohol is this a risk. The cuts wasn't new and we didn't see any thing in the lessions on this.Last time Rod please help.
kekelow
01/05/2007
. I was at a friends, house and when i was useing the tiolet i seen a drop of blood on the floor. I hand no shoes on and there was two small cuts on my feet, but they wasn't blooding. I put aclohol on them and when it sinked in i could feel it inside of them. They were very small, but not new. My friend said she had just had her hiv test and she use condoms. I just won't to know if i'm at risk i'm going to get tested tommorow. Please Help.
You are unbelieveable, to think we tried to help you. You just stay over there and feed them your line of crap.
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Rod I just don't understand hiw this is not possible. The cdc says blood to blood contact wouldn't this be blood to blood contact. What do they mean when they say on the cdc web site about hiv being tranmitted from shape objects. I just don't understand how this is not possible :P :P :P
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Busted...lock this thread?
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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
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Hello,
Not sure that I should be posting here, but will anyway. I typically post on the MedHelp forum, HIV Support (which is a misnomer, it should be named the HIV Anxiety Support forum, because that is what it really is). I believe that at least one of Kekelow's posts that was quoted here came from that forum, and it is one that I responded to. Now I feel like a bit of a sucker. Guess I should get out and about on the Web more often than I do.
Kekelow aside, and again, I am pretty sure this isn't the correct place to be doing this, but I wanted to say thanks to you guys for your help when I was going through my own ridiculous HIV anxiety situation. I call it ridiculous now, but when I was going through it, it felt anything but. However, Rod, Andy and Ann, you all helped me quite a bit, and I never came back and said thanks. That was an oversight on my part, and I want to correct it now. Your constructive and accurate advice helped me out quite a bit. And I appreciate you taking the time to offer it. You all have bigger things going on in your lives than the worries of some half-crazed hypochondriac, but you were kind enough to answer patiently each and every time I had a question. And for that: thank you. Finally, at long last, thank you.
I still come back and read through the forums from time to time, because I found that after I finally got over my own anxiety (with your gracious assistance, I might add), I am still fascinated by the whole subject. And it seems to me that you guys lead your lives with a quality of patience and giving that it would do well for others to emulate.
You guys take care of yourselves, and once again, thank you. And that's all.