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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: david_ted76 on February 23, 2008, 05:20:10 am
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Dear experts,
First of all, please forgive if my English is not perfect since English is not my first language.
Last night I went to a gay sauna. The incident was:
a) When I walk in the dark room with my partner I just met (I met him in the sauna), I was shock since I step down on something "wet" liquid on the floor.
I was not sure whether it was chilled water from the leakage pipe, or a fresh semen from the previous guy using the dark room, but it was a something sticky.
What make me worry is, I got skin irritation on the palm of my foot. No open wound, but the skin is degenerating, itchy, red, and a bit pain.
b) the second incident was, my partner was using his his saliva to masturbate me (He put his saliva on my gland penis as a lubricant).
2) the third incident was, my partner ejaculated, and used his semen to masturbate me (He put his semen on my gland [penis as a lubricant).
Please let me know whether I was on risk from incident :
a) step down on the wet "liquid" (fresh semen) on the floor, with skin irritation on my foot palm. My concern is because the skin irritation on my palm foot could be an open way for HIV to enter, I am worry because I read from the lesson that HIV live in semen.
b) the risk from incident b. I read in the lesson that saliva is not infectious, but is this still the case if the person got high viral load?
c) the risk from incident c, since HIV live in semen, and the urethara can be the open way for HIV to enter?
Thanks a lot..
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David,
Nothing you have described here is a risk for HIV transmission. Walking in semen with bare feet (rash or otherwise) it makes no difference.
You were not at risk. You do not need to test over this incident.
Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) and follow the links to our Lessons to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.
MtD
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Hi Matty,
Thanks for your answer.
I am still confuse, in the lesson mentioned that HIV live in semen.
The liquid I step onto was a FRESH liquid.
And I have unhealthy palm foot, because of skin irritation (could be fungus disease), I often scratch it because it is pain and itchy. This will lead to cut.
So, the situation was : Fresh semen + cut on the palm of my foot.
Is it still no risk?
I it is so, kindly please explain so I got clear understanding why fresh semen + cut is no risk. What had made the semen not infectious to my cut?
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David,
HIV is a weak virus. It has to be transmitted inside the body, eg inside your anus not on the sole of your foot.
You do not have HIV.
MtD
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A rash on your foot, even a severe one, is not the same as an open wound. Just as Matty has told you, this was not a risk for HIV. Athlete's foot and such can easily be picked up in barefooted settings, but not HIV. You are worrying needlessly.
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Hi Matty/Andy,
thanks for your advise.
I went back to the sauna and straight to the dark room just to check, and i found no water on the room. I also didnot find leakage piping,so I come toconclusion that the fluid I walk last time must be a fresh semen.
you said that HIV is weak outside the body.how about hiv in fresh semen on the floor?
Since the semen was still fresh (i.e. not drying), could it be HIV still "active" and infectious?
I don't know the exact word in English to describe the condition of my foot. I am not sure whether it is called rash, or cut,or wound...?
But the irritation on my foot is caused by fungus infection, and because it is itchy,so i scratch it often.. resulting unhealthy skin,sticky,red, and an open wound exist.
In my understanding, the HIV in the fresh semen is still 'active" and infectious.
Because the virus is stil "active' and infectious,it can stick to my foot when I walk on the fresh semen, and the virus can enter and spread into my blood circulation through the open wound in my foot, that will lead to infection.
Is that true?
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Because the virus is stil "active' and infectious,it can stick to my foot when I walk on the fresh semen, and the virus can enter and spread into my blood circulation through the open wound in my foot, that will lead to infection.
Is that true?
No David, that's not true.
Even if there was active HIV in the semen, it couldn't get into your blood stream through a rash on your foot.
HIV has to be transmitted inside the body. Sexually that means inside the vagina or the rectum. You cannot catch HIV from walking in semen.
MtD
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Hi MtD & experts,
Finally I can find an information from the internet that can describe the condition of my foot.
What I have is called Tinea Pedis (Fungal Infection), or Athlete's foot.
From the description, athlete's foot is a common fungal skin infection. It infects the feet and between the toes.
•Cracked, blistered, and peeling areas between the toes.
•Redness on the soles.
The infection usually starts between the little toe and the one next to it. At first the skin is itchy and sore sometimes becomes white, with blisters. Then it starts to crack and peel and if untreated it can spreads to other areas, like the toe nails and sole of the foot.
The picture from the net http://www.doctorfungus.org/imageban/images/init_images/381MIKE.JPG
is about the same stituation as the fungal infection that I have. There are some skin abrassion and wet, resulted from the itchy skin and I scratched them.
From your reply previously, there is possibility that HIV is still active and infectious in the semen.
So, When I walked on that semen (with active and infectious HIV in it) , and with the condition of my foot is as what I describe above, do I still not at risk?
I am asking this, because I need to get clear understanding on why the situation I have is different with the transmission from unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse.
In my understanding, the principal of HIV infection is if there is an active or infectious HIV enter to the blood stream, either via open wound or via mucous membrane.
Please advise.
Thanks very much in advance.
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*Sigh*
The've gone over this with you a few times in this thread now already, so start paying some close attention. Scratching your itchy, nasty foot does not equate to the kinds of deep cuts that would be required for a transmission risk. And even then, this scene wouldn't be risk because of the reasons already told to you: HIV is a fragile virus that becomes inactive quickly with outside exposure. It needs to be transmitted within the body. If you somehow had some magical orifice on your foot that allowed some guy to fuck it and blow a big load straight into your calves...well, then perhaps we might have something here. But meanwhile back on earth in the real world, YOU ARE NOT AT RISK.
Listen, man. This has already been explained to you. Read the Lessons section for more info on real life transmission risks, and don't keep coming back here posting about this non-risk incident. If you do, you will may find yourself at risk...of getting a Time Out or a eventually a ban.
Seriously...don't be "that guy".
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HIV is a fragile virus and not easily transmitted. Transmission doesn't happen from cum-laden floors and other such surfaces. Period.
You're just unwisely lurking in the domain of what ifs about HIV, which is never a good idea. And if you can't let go of this unwarranted worrying then get some professional help from a counselor or therapist to address the emotional aspects of whatever is going on.
Really.
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Dear experts,
Thanks very much for your advise.
I believe in you that my incident was not consider a risk.
Since it was not a risk and that was the only incident I have, so I don't need to take test, do I?
Now, I will forget those incident and go on with my life.
Just for conclusion and get correct understanding, which factor in my incident had made the transmission is imposible to happened :
1) HIV is fragile virus, that loss its infectiousness once outside the body (in my case on the surface of floor) . The infection is only happened inside the body, mainly for unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse?
2) Eventhough there was severe wet abrassion on my toes due to athlete's foot (tinea pedis) and it was not just normal skin peeling, ( http://www.doctorfungus.org/imageban/images/init_images/381MIKE.JPG ), the abrassion/ cut/ open wound I have was not deep enough to enable the transmission?
3) Both of those above?
Once again, I thank you very much for your kindness to educate people about HIV through your great jobs in this site.
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3. Both of the above.
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David,
You were never at any risk for hiv infection by stepping in cum that was on the floor, even if you had a deep cut on the bottom of your foot. NO RISK.
Make sure you're using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple. Read through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly and with confidence.
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thanks very much for your answer. I do believe in you, that in my case / my incident were not a risk for HIV transmission.
Today I read the lesson again in this site (i.e. http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Transmission_9961.shtml),
about HOw HIV is transmitted. According to the lesson,
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HIV enters the body through open cuts, sores, or breaks in the skin; through mucous membranes, such as those inside the anus or vagina; or through direct injection.
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It means there is poissibility that transmission can be happened through open cuts, sores, or breaks in the skin.
Just for my reference in the future, can you please let me know in which occasion/scenario does HIV enters the body through open cuts, sores, or breaks in the skin? How is the mechanism/route?
Thanks in advance for your explanation.
And last but not least, I found that the condom and lube links in your signature is really very informative and very useful. Thanks for that.
David
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If you would have continued to read it explains how it can happen.
Go back an reread that lesson.
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David,
The hiv that enters the body through cuts etc has to be intact and able to latch on to a very few specific cell types. Hiv is VERY fragile and it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect when outside the human body. If someone cut their wrist then sliced open your belly so they could bleed directly into your body, THEN you MIGHT become infected.
But stepping on cum on a bathhouse floor? Not in a million years.
You didn't have a risk. If you keep going on about this no risk incident, you'll be given a time out.
If you've read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) like you're supposed to, you will have read the following:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Please consider yourself warned.
Ann
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Hi...
I have another incident just happened recently.
My friend asked me to masturbate him.
I used my hand to shake his penis.
He was on bed, and my face was close to his penis.
Finally my friend ejaculated. Since I shake his penis, some of his semen jump to my face.
I feel that one or two drops were come to my mouth (I was so exciting so my mouth was open).
As soon as I realized this could be a risk, I went to bathroom and gargle my mouth with water.
Do I need to worry about those incident?
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David,
No, you don't have to worry about this incident. Masturbating another person is not a risk. Getting a splash of cum in your mouth is also not a risk as saliva contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.
Hiv is a very fragile virus. Remember? You've been told this before.
You did not have a risk and you do not need to worry about this incident.
Ann
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Hi Experts,
I am a man, 30 years old. I come to the massage/sauna regularly (once in a week), and usually being served by different masseur every time I go there.
He/She usually offer me an extra services (e.g. sucking my penis until I "come") after the massage, and I usually tempted to have romantic kissing (mouth to mouth and play tongue to tongue) with him/her during the action.
Sometimes, I also suck and play her breast/nipples with my mouth and my tongue.
That's all I hv had in every session. I never have penis penetration so far, neither vaginal/anal.
my questions:
1) The risk of transmission when my penis being sucked by him/her
2) The risk of transmission by having a romantic kissing with him/her
3) The risk of transmission by sucking/playing her nipples
4) I have been doing 1), 2) and 3) for more than a year, (and as I said before, that is all the furthest actions I can go with them), still I am not in a HIV transmission risk? (considering the number of incident I have had).
5) Let's say point 1), 2) and 3) consider no risk, can I continue to have all of those action next time I
go to the masseur?
Thanks in advance for your explanation.
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David,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
1. Getting a blowjob is absolutely not a risk for hiv infection. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. Not one person has ever been infected through getting their dick sucked and you won't be the first.
2. Kissing is also not a risk for infection for the same reasons I gave you above.
3. Kissing/sucking anywhere on a person's body is also not a risk. Hiv is not present on the skin or nipples.
4. It doesn't matter how much you engage in these activities, they are not going to put you at risk for hiv infection.
5. See above.
Sexually speaking, the only way you're going to put yourself at risk for hiv infection is if you have unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.
Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.
Nothing you have ever brought to us has been a risk for hiv infection. Re-read your entire thread to refresh your memory on what is and is not a risk for hiv infection.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for had merging my new thread into my original thread.
Also thanks very much for your assessment.
Honestly, other than those 3 (three) actions I mentioned above, I usually also tempted to :
a) Pleasing them (him/her) by fingering his/her vagina/anus.
b) Having penis penetration (vaginal/anal), especially when he/she ask or beg me to do so.
However, so far I have never done those a) and b).
Reason:
If I do a) to them, I am afraid that I might have skin irritation in my finger (around the nail area).
If I do b) to them (even with condom), I am afraid that there is a leakage in the condom, or, even though there is no leakage, the hiv can still be transmitted due to the size/diameter of the hiv (which is smaller than the pore of the condom's material).
Questions :
1) Should I worry if I fingering him/her? Should I use barrier (plastic gloves/condom) for my fingers before fingering them?
2) If I use condom correctly and consistently before I penetrate my penis (to their vagina/anus),
will that 100% effective to prevent the transmission? How about my concern of the hiv diameter/size, should I be worry?
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David,
If you do a), you will not be putting yourself at risk for hiv infection, regardless of the presence or absence of cuts or irritations on your fingers. You can wear gloves if that would make you feel better, but it is absolutely not necessary.
If you do b), as long as you wear a condom you will not be at risk. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. Hiv cannot pass through an intact condom, regardless of what you might have read otherwise. That is a myth put out by religious groups who do not want you to have sexual intercourse outside of marriage.
1. You do not need to worry about fingering and gloves are not necessary.
2. Again, condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection and the thing about hiv being able to pass through condoms is a myth. Read through all three condom and lube links (like I've already asked you to) so you can use them with confidence.
You have not had a risk. If you add fingering or protected intercourse to your activities, you will not have a risk then either.
Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!!
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thanks very much for your answer. The information and explanation you gave is very clear to me.
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Dear Expert,
2 (two) Weeks ago, accidentally I cut my mid finger (by shaver).
The cut was like papercut, but much deeper.
Lots of bleeding from the fingertip, so my friend took me to the emergency room to get treatment.
Now, after 2 (tow) weeks, the cut has healed. No pain anymore, no open wound, just 2 (two) millimeter drying scars left from the cut and iritated skin.
I went to sauna just now, and gave handjob to a guy in the darkroom.
No ejaculation, but I can feel his precum on my palm.
I went to the washroom and wash my hand after those incident.
I am worry that those combination of precum and "2 weeks drying scar" on the tip of my finger can get me infected.
Please advise.
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David,
Once again you had no risk for hiv infection. Re-read your entire thread - this stuff has already been explained to you.
Ann
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Dear Expert,
Again I experience this incident last night.
Prior to incident:
15 hours prior to the incident, I cut my finger's nail using nail cutter.
Accidentally I cut the tip one of my finger. There was bleeding from the tip of my finger, but stopped after a minutes.
Incident :
Have forgot about to those cut, I help to masturbate my friend using my right hand. My friend was ejaculating.
Fresh semen flowing from his penis and my right hand (palm and fingers) get wet of his semen.
Realized that I got finger cut 15 hours prior to the incident, I run to wastefully to wash my hands using soap.
Eventhough there was no bleeding, I can still feel painful of the cut at the tip of my finger.
I am not sure if the cut has healed or still open.
Can you please advise, should I concern of those incident?
I am afraid if the HIV get into my blood system/circulation through this way?
Thanks in advance.
David
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David,
Once again you had no risk for hiv infection. Re-read your entire thread - this stuff has already been explained to you.
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for your reply and explanation.
I have ever seen a documentary in National geographic channel about how snake poison get into blood circulation. Sometimes I imagine that also happened in HIV get into human body. (i.e. get in through open cut/wound than circulating very fast in human blood system).
Does it mean my analogy between hiv and snake poison is totally wrong?
No test needed for those incident?
Thanks.
David
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David,
Snake venom and hiv are two totally different things. Your analogy is wrong.
And no, you do not need to test over this masturbation with a cut finger situation.
Ann
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Thanks a lot, Ann..
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Dear expert,
Just now I do Oral sex to my friend. He ask me to suck his penis, and insist to cum inside my mouth.
After few minutes BJ his penis, finally he ejaculate, a lot of semen inside my mouth.
I run into bathroom immediately to spit the semen, wash my mouth using a lot of water, and gargling using listerine.
My concern is, I got fresh sprue in my mouth. I am afraid that combination of open wound (sprue) + a lot of fresh semen inside my mouth will lead to HIV transmission risk.
Should I worry of those incident? Should I get tested?
Fyi., that is the only incident I had, no other sexual activity happened prior to those incident.
Thanks in advance for your advise.
David
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David,
Saliva contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. Having a sore in your mouth does not change the fact that this is a no risk situation. Please re-read your entire thread.
Ann
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Thanks Ann for your advise..
May I ask further for inquires below for clarification? What make me worry are,
a) When I swept my lip using a tissue (after I washed/rinse my mouth with water and Listerine) last night, I noticed there was small red spot of blood in the tissue. It Means the sore is open.
b) Even though saliva contains a different proteins and enzymes that can damage HIV and render it unable to infect, I concern of the "volume" of his fresh semen (which is much more in volume compared to the volume of my saliva) in my mouth. I am afraid that it should need more saliva in my mouth in order to render/damage the HIV effectively.
c) Other than that, I am afraid that the process of the renderization of HIV in semen (by my saliva) will take "several minutes" after it was ejaculated. If that is true, it means HIV will still able to infect for the first few seconds after it was ejaculated in my mouth.
Please advise if the combination of (a + b + c) above still make me at no risk situation.
Thanks a lot in advance.
David
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Oral sex is not a risk no matter what spins you put on it.
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Hi Experts,
I went to sauna last night. When I lay down in dark room, somebody approach me and give BJ to me.
He did that quite rude and aggressively. I feel pain in my gland penis, near the hole of my urethra in gland penis. Afraid that he had bitten me, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Just in case there were bleeding and open wound in my gland penis (caused by his rude BJ), is it possible that HIV (from his mouth) passing to me through that incident?
Please advise.
Thanks in advance.
David
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You never had a risk of contracting HIV from oral sex.
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David,
You've been coming here for two and a half years now and we have repeatedly told you what is and what is not a risk for hiv infection. We're not here to hold your hand every time you have a sexual experience. It's high time you paid attention to what we've told you, learn the facts and apply them to the experiences in your life.
Once again you have not had a risk for hiv infection. Saliva is not an infectious fluid and it doesn't matter if he bit the end of your dick off, you still would not have been at risk for hiv infection.
If you read the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
Please consider yourself warned!
Ann
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Once again you are worrying needlessly. In the entire epidemic history no guy has ever been confirmed to have been infected through getting a blowjob. You are not going to make history by becoming the first.
All you have to remember in terms of protecting yourself sexually from HIV is to always make sure condoms are used for anal and vaginal intercourse. No exceptions. It really is that simple.
Whatever is causing your symptoms has nothing to do with HIV. Discuss them with your doctor if they continue.
You have been coming here long enough to know that by now. And we've told you the same thing over and over many times. You need to apply what we have said to your sexual life as you contiune on. Iinstead of coming here anxiously everytime you some sexual experience you need to think about what we've said to you and use that information to evaluate a situation.
If you return with another of these non-risks I am going to warn you that you are going to get a Time Out for at least 28 days from the site. And if you can't have sex without becoming unduly anxious about HIV, then see a counselor or other professional to discuss your fears. We can't help you with that in this setting.