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Title: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: jtgymguy on November 18, 2012, 06:30:05 pm
I like to search google.com/news on the latest HIV news and there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...

what is your opinion?
What form of cure do you think it will be? stem cell? vaccinne? pills?
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: thunter34 on November 18, 2012, 06:38:24 pm
I like to search google.com/news on the latest HIV news and there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...

what is your opinion?
What form of cure do you think it will be? stem cell? vaccinne? pills?


It's not that I "don't care", but I am far more concerned with getting the viable treatments we already have into the hands of everybody that needs them.  And that's not me being all noble and stuff - it's the real deal fact that I'm a pen stroke or paper snafu away from losing meds myself...and I'm in better shape than plenty. 

All this "whaddya think" stuff is food for thought that most people not only chew, but end up choking on.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: jtgymguy on November 18, 2012, 06:40:10 pm
Hey that is true! We need to make medication more readily available, especially here in the USA...It seems like we are more worried about others and the HIV meds here in the USA are so expensive. Its crazy!
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: thunter34 on November 18, 2012, 06:46:50 pm
Hey that is true! We need to make medication more readily available, especially here in the USA...It seems like we are more worried about others and the HIV meds here in the USA are so expensive. Its crazy!

Not quite the point I was trying to make.  I don't think there's an "especially" place anywhere - it's everywhere.  And $250 a year for meds might as well be $25,000 if you're living in a cardboard house and sleeping on sand.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: jtgymguy on November 18, 2012, 07:04:20 pm
That is true but if my tax dollars are helping people in other countries and i have to worry about it and think about being on wait lists  that is scare.

THANK GOD i am not on meds and that i have a good job w/ great insurance...but i seems like a scary future at times
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: WillyWump on November 18, 2012, 07:48:50 pm
~20 years.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 18, 2012, 07:50:20 pm
there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...
what is your opinion?

Hey isn't that an oxymoron? 

I think there will be a functional cure but anyone's guess as to when....
For the moment the drugs do work pretty well.  Maybe there are bigger fish to fry, but HIV/AIDS is still pretty deadly.

The top 10 causes of death
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on November 18, 2012, 07:52:40 pm

THANK GOD i am not on meds and that i have a good job w/ great insurance...but i seems like a scary future at times

Well why don't you jump into a time machine and go back to before you seroconverted?  I highly doubt that your great insurance will cover the cure when it finally becomes available  ::)


For the moment the drugs do work pretty well.  Maybe there are bigger fish to fry, but HIV/AIDS is still pretty deadly.


Apparently this isn't even on his radar yet... since he has such an invincible mindset.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 18, 2012, 08:56:37 pm
The Mayans predicted a cure for AIDS to appear on December 21, 2012 -- or five weeks and four days from now.

I've already halted all of my pills figuring there won't be any harm done.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 18, 2012, 09:08:08 pm
The Mayans predicted a cure for AIDS to appear on December 21, 2012 -- or five weeks and four days from now.

I've already halted all of my pills figuring there won't be any harm done.


You're lying. The cure for the AIDS was found a couple of months ago. That's the real reason why I hadn't been participating.  I'm a born again non-pozzie.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 18, 2012, 09:11:08 pm

You're lying. The cure for the AIDS was found a couple of months ago. That's the real reason why I hadn't been participating.  I'm a born again non-pozzie.

Sadly that cure isn't foolproof. I heard that if you get infected a second time then meds won't even work, and you basically will die within four months. KS will appear in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 18, 2012, 09:18:20 pm
Sadly that cure isn't foolproof. I heard that if you get infected a second time then meds won't even work, and you basically will die within four months. KS will appear in 2 weeks.

OEMGEE, and I've been spending countless hours celebrating at my local bathhouse.  I am skurred now!
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on November 18, 2012, 09:21:46 pm
I think the nurse deliberately infected me with a new strain when she did my latest labs.  Do you guys think the cure will work for me?
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: WillyWump on November 18, 2012, 09:30:00 pm
I think the nurse deliberately infected me with a new strain when she did my latest labs.  Do you guys think the cure will work for me?

no
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 18, 2012, 09:45:27 pm
no

That is incredibly mean.  Reported  :P

You're just jealous cause you have the FOREVER AIDS brand. 

Solo, you'll be fine. Just do a double shot of teh cure.  And stop playing with used dildos.  Evil nurse, tsk, tsk  ::)
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: jkinatl2 on November 18, 2012, 10:00:01 pm
Hey that is true! We need to make medication more readily available, especially here in the USA...It seems like we are more worried about others and the HIV meds here in the USA are so expensive. Its crazy!


No, meds are much more expensive in the US because our pharma industry is fully in the pockets of our elected politicians - you know, the ones who are supposed to be putting our welfare first but actually don't?

Meds in places like India are far less expensive because of different patent laws. The uSa is singularly fucked when it comes to medicating it's population. It's not at all about taking care of other countries at the expense of our own. It's about sacrificing our own HIV population (and also our seniors and veterans) because we have allowed ourselves to become a Corporatocracy.

Wanna take a crack at changing that? I for one would be pretty happy.

Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: anniebc on November 18, 2012, 10:12:03 pm
Sorry guys I forgot to mention, I was cured last week thanks to my baking.

The cure lies in the icing on my cupcakes, (I have magical ingredients) so if you want the recipe then you will have to make a donation, I will be accepting donations on FB for those who have an account, and I will also be trading on Ebay, I need a new super, super size mixer, I have the feeling I'm about to get very busy making the cure sorry, cupcakes... ;D

Aroha
Jan :-*
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Lugzsoo on November 18, 2012, 10:27:24 pm
My luck the day the Cure comes out I be on my the other side . :o
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 18, 2012, 10:54:32 pm
Sorry guys I forgot to mention, I was cured last week thanks to my baking.

The cure lies in the icing on my cupcakes, (I have magical ingredients) so if you want the recipe then you will have to make a donation, I will be accepting donations on FB for those who have an account, and I will also be trading on Ebay, I need a new super, super size mixer, I have the feeling I'm about to get very busy making the cure sorry, cupcakes... ;D

Aroha
Jan :-*

AIDS cupcakes!!?

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/dexter-syringe-cupcakes-2.jpeg)

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/384922_10151230690421773_1078603199_n.jpeg)
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: tednlou2 on November 18, 2012, 11:13:35 pm
Anderson Cooper had those STD cupcakes on his daytime show last week.  His daytime show has been cancelled.  I wonder if there is a connection? 
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: thunter34 on November 18, 2012, 11:14:32 pm
AIDS cupcakes!!?

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/dexter-syringe-cupcakes-2.jpeg)

(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz42/livebythemoon/384922_10151230690421773_1078603199_n.jpeg)


All that's missing are speedos and bumble bees.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: anniebc on November 18, 2012, 11:21:33 pm
I have Bumble bees, left overs from my grandaughters birthday cake..but alas no speedo, Jim stopped wearing them years ago.. ;D

Nice one Rev.

Aroha
Jan :-*
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 18, 2012, 11:28:20 pm
The late Khamis Gaddafi told me that his father gave Louis Farrakhan the cure.  Gaddafi bought it from Yakub, inventor of the white man.  Yakub stole it from the Jews, who invented HIV with the knowledge and expertise tortured out of Nazi doctors whom they had enslaved in secret bunkers under a kibbutz on the shores of Kinneret. 
Farrakhan keeps the cure in a vault, in his secret shrine to Oprah Winfrey, in his Chicago mansion. Its a very stable, completely organic plant-based cure, and the formula and a few ounces of the dark liquid are in wax sealed test tubes in stainless canisters, next to Rasputin's preserved penis in it's purple velvet box (a gift to Farrakhan from a surprising friend - Barbara Bush).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23LqrnclLE
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Solo_LTSurvivor on November 18, 2012, 11:35:11 pm
The late Khamis Gaddafi told me that his father gave Louis Farrakhan the cure.  Gaddafi bought it from Yakub, inventor of the white man.  Yakub stole it from the Jews, who invented HIV with the knowledge and expertise tortured out of Nazi doctors whom they had enslaved in secret bunkers under a kibbutz on the shores of Kinneret. 
Farrakhan keeps the cure in a vault, in his secret shrine to Oprah Winfrey, in his Chicago mansion. Its a very stable, completely organic plant-based cure, and the formula and a few ounces of the dark liquid are in wax sealed test tubes in stainless canisters, next to Rasputin's preserved penis in it's purple velvet box (a gift to Farrakhan from a surprising friend - Barbara Bush).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23LqrnclLE

I heard it was in Al Capone's vault.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Common_ground on November 18, 2012, 11:57:47 pm
At least 10 more years to get rid of HIV from the body. If no one can afford a cure theres no money to make from it but once it gets viable the same forces(greed/capitalism) driving profit in the pharmas will turn the cure a reality.

Btw, whats with all the OT stuff in this thread?
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mikeyb39 on November 19, 2012, 12:40:55 am
I would take a functional cure or medications that dont kill the nerves in my feet and hands.  I don't mind taking the pills so much, I just wish they were more 'body friendly'.

I believe that a vaccine will come first and then science will halt on a cure leaving those of us that have it doomed....lol.  i'm just kidding, i guess.

Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Growler on November 19, 2012, 03:33:00 am
The Cure for teh AIDS has been around for a while now.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pvp6yg62WY&feature=plcp

GROWLER
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Ann on November 19, 2012, 08:35:51 am
I like to search google.com/news on the latest HIV news and there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...

what is your opinion?
What form of cure do you think it will be? stem cell? vaccinne? pills?

Don't you read the Research News & Studies (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?board=9.0) forum? That's where all the Curistas hang out.

No, meds are much more expensive in the US because our pharma industry is fully in the pockets of our elected politicians - you know, the ones who are supposed to be putting our welfare first but actually don't?

Meds in places like India are far less expensive because of different patent laws. The uSa is singularly fucked when it comes to medicating it's population. It's not at all about taking care of other countries at the expense of our own. It's about sacrificing our own HIV population (and also our seniors and veterans) because we have allowed ourselves to become a Corporatocracy.

Wanna take a crack at changing that? I for one would be pretty happy.



True for the most part, but keep in mind that what may seem to be exceptionally affordable prices in places like India are still quite unaffordable to many people living in those countries. It's all relative.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: skeebo1969 on November 19, 2012, 09:47:53 am
Anderson Cooper had those STD cupcakes on his daytime show last week.  His daytime show has been cancelled.  I wonder if there is a connection?

Of course there is a connection Teddy.  I farted on the morning of February 11, 2012 and that afternoon Whitney Houston died in the bathroom.  Coincidence???  I think not....
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Jeff G on November 19, 2012, 09:50:41 am
Of course there is a connection Teddy.  I farted on the morning of February 11, 2012 and that afternoon Whitney Houston died in the bathroom.  Coincidence???  I think not....

With deadly farts like that , you and my bulldog may need to form a support group .
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Lugzsoo on November 19, 2012, 03:23:36 pm
The Cure for teh AIDS has been around for a while now.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pvp6yg62WY&feature=plcp

GROWLER


Mmmm I'm trying this tonight  now just have to find a empty cup lol
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Denver Toad on November 19, 2012, 05:09:46 pm
The cure died with Jimmy Hoffa... Or maybe it was D.B. Cooper, I can't keep it straight.

Off and outta here for my depilatory.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 19, 2012, 05:25:52 pm
I have too much body hair to ever be cured. :-\
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: WillyWump on November 19, 2012, 06:20:03 pm

Off and outta here for my depilatory.

oh mee too, I've scheduled a full body waxing! and they are gonna throw in a bunghole bleaching for freee!
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Fisher on November 19, 2012, 07:29:50 pm

You're lying. The cure for the AIDS was found a couple of months ago. That's the real reason why I hadn't been participating.  I'm a born again non-pozzie.

I'm confused.  Does a born again non-pozzie come out of the closet first or a hamper? And if hampered, I imagine a born again non-pozzie has a lot of dirty laundry. And if there's a lot of dirty laundry, well then it must be the bleach . . . yes the bleach is the cure, of course! Nothing like Clorox for the cure and of course, the dazzling bleached blondness of hair locks. . .

Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Nightmare26 on November 20, 2012, 02:50:10 pm
I like to search google.com/news on the latest HIV news and there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...

what is your opinion?
What form of cure do you think it will be? stem cell? vaccinne? pills?

Here are some articles I found that show there is a cure for hiv out there and that they are working on perfecting mastering it. There is one where a man known as the berlin patient or Timothy Brown who was completely cured of HIV through stem cell bone marrow transplant. Although the operation is dangerous and life threatening through this they are working on other ways to cure HIV. Such as in Seattle where they are working on a functional cure for hiv that would suppress the virus at very low levels so you dont get sick off the virus or need meds. As well as in Australia at the William and eliza hall institute they found a way to boost the immune system to completely fight off the virus. They tested it in mice where they boosted a natural immune hormone called IL-7 which switches off a gene called SOCS 3 which basically shuts down the immune system when infected with HIV and then the immune system can fight off the HIV virus completely as it did in the mice succesfully so.

I know we are only years away from getting the cure for HIV. I predict within 10 years and less. A man was already cured of HIV and there are too many successful studies on ways to cure it out there for it not to be cured soon. It might be expensive at first but we will be cured of HIV within 10 years. I have high hopes for that.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/27/news/la-heb-hiv-cure-aids-meeting-20120727
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/09/expert_functional_cure_for_hiv.php
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/02/04/study-suggests-immune-system-treatment-for-hiv/
http://www.wehi.edu.au/site/latest_news/boosting_bodys_immune_response_may_hold_key_to_hiv_cure
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: roy100 on November 20, 2012, 10:38:36 pm
Finally a post that is worth reading, thanks for sharing.
At last some good   information.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 21, 2012, 05:11:01 am
As well as in Australia at the William and eliza hall institute they found a way to boost the immune system to completely fight off the virus. They tested it in mice where they boosted a natural immune hormone called IL-7 which switches off a gene called SOCS 3 which basically shuts down the immune system when infected with HIV and then the immune system can fight off the HIV virus completely as it did in the mice succesfully so.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/27/news/la-heb-hiv-cure-aids-meeting-20120727
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/09/expert_functional_cure_for_hiv.php
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/02/04/study-suggests-immune-system-treatment-for-hiv/
http://www.wehi.edu.au/site/latest_news/boosting_bodys_immune_response_may_hold_key_to_hiv_cure

The "Berlin Patient" is the same guy in the Seatle article.
The US put many men on the moon, through extraordinary measures, cost and danger. Does not mean you can travel to the moon tomorrow, does it?

You misspoke about the Australian research.  THe point isn't to "shut down the immune system". If you did that, then obviously the immune system can't fight anything! 

Yes, all this research is encouraging and I am glad you are optimistic, as am I.

 ;D
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Nightmare26 on November 21, 2012, 11:35:08 am
No the SOCS 3 gene is the one that shuts down the immune system when infected with HIV but according to the research once boosted by IL-7 a natural immune hormone SOCS 3 switches off allowing IL-7 and the immune system to fight off the virus until cured. Sorry if I wasnt clear. But yes this is very exciting news and no I dont believe the cure will be available tomorrow or anything but within 10 years i bet it will. Very exciting news indeed and im very optimistic about it.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Hellraiser on November 21, 2012, 03:39:51 pm
The cure will be here next tuesday.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: leatherman on November 21, 2012, 04:50:00 pm
The cure will be here next tuesday.
woohoo! just in time for Christmas. ;D
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: buginme2 on November 21, 2012, 05:55:11 pm
The cure will be here next tuesday.

I saw the cure in concert when I was in high school during their Disintegration tour ( I know I am dating myself).  Was a pretty good show.

Anyway, I just got back from the airport and if the cure has a trip like the one I just had, its gonna be delayed.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Jeff G on November 21, 2012, 07:26:26 pm
I may or may not have been cured . I'm not ready to disclose yet .

I'm not sure I could handle the stigma here on the forum if I were to come out as HIV neg .   
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Hellraiser on November 21, 2012, 08:41:55 pm
I may or may not have been cured . I'm not ready to disclose yet .

I'm not sure I could handle the stigma here on the forum if I were to come out as HIV neg .

Considering I've never actually had ANYONE tell me I'm HIV positive but have only had people consistently send me down the line to the doctors and the health department.  I've often wondered what it would be like to find out I was HIV- after all of this.  However, the wasting, staph infections, anemia, etc... are a pretty big indicator that all signs point to +.

They never showed me the actual paper that said I was HIV+.  I wonder if I should go demand that.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Jeff G on November 21, 2012, 09:10:01 pm
Considering I've never actually had ANYONE tell me I'm HIV positive but have only had people consistently send me down the line to the doctors and the health department.  I've often wondered what it would be like to find out I was HIV- after all of this.  However, the wasting, staph infections, anemia, etc... are a pretty big indicator that all signs point to +.

They never showed me the actual paper that said I was HIV+.  I wonder if I should go demand that.


  My dear Hecky , aids is more than a piece of paper , its a lifestyle .  ;)
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: thunter34 on November 22, 2012, 03:59:29 am
I saw the cure in concert when I was in high school during their Disintegration tour


My mother saw me watching them on TV once around that same time period, and told me they looked morre like the illness.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Raf on November 22, 2012, 07:32:15 am
Actually, Elvis Presley has teh cure for aids.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 22, 2012, 08:07:04 am
Considering I've never actually had ANYONE tell me I'm HIV positive but have only had people consistently send me down the line to the doctors and the health department.  I've often wondered what it would be like to find out I was HIV- after all of this.  However, the wasting, staph infections, anemia, etc... are a pretty big indicator that all signs point to +.

They never showed me the actual paper that said I was HIV+.  I wonder if I should go demand that.

Hello?  Haven't you had many VL tests?  That's the proof. 
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 22, 2012, 08:00:55 pm
Hello?  Haven't you had many VL tests?  That's the proof.

Actually, as far as I recall, he never mentions VL. All that he ever discusses is his perennially low CD4 count.  And the antibiotics that he skips on a regular basis.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 22, 2012, 08:17:26 pm
And the antibiotics that he skips on a regular basis.

Is she still playing with fire?
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Hellraiser on November 22, 2012, 11:23:48 pm
I will have you know I am at a CD4 count of 240ish.  Which I think now exempts me from needing regular prophylactic antibiotics.  Also, I thought the VL count was not "proof" in and of itself?  On that note I've been undetectable sinced about 6 months from starting meds.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: leatherman on November 23, 2012, 12:43:14 am
I thought the VL count was not "proof" in and of itself?
I'm glad to hear about your improved numbers ;D

a doctor giving you a diagnosis of being HIV+ and having a viral load is a pretty good way to know one has HIV. ;) Just for the record, I never saw a piece of paper (or it never registered in my brain in 1992-93 if I was shown it), that stated I was HIV poz. I would imagine that a lot of doctors give out a lot of diagnoses about a lot of illnesses without ever showing the patient a piece of paper. Is there an underlying reason why you wouldn't believe the diagnosis your doctor gave you? If it concerns you, have you asked to see the result paper from the lab?

I'm not looking to put you on the spot or even get an answer from you. I was just throwing that out there since you expressed concern about your status even though a doctor gave you a diagnosis. ;) I think if I were you, I'd take the easy solution to this and ask to clarify that all up at my next doctor appt, just to have it all straight in my head. ;)
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Fisher on November 23, 2012, 01:00:28 am
Perhaps a humor thread, or thread just for taunting should be started. And, if you did not see Rigley's "Believe it or not," you missed the cure. Tsk, Tsk.

-fisher

Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 23, 2012, 03:55:05 am
Hellraiser is this a real thought, or just bemused speculation?

If you care to know, I am sure you can ask the nurse or doctor to show you a few pages of your lab results over the years and show you whats on them.  Your doctors will know your genotype.  Of the hiv virus that IS IN YOU and which is successfully repressed by your hiv medicine.   

Once you get the name of the genotype, you could google it and find a good image, print it out and paste it somewhere in your apt and voila there's your piece of paper.

HIV is probably stamped all over all your medical records right now. Just have a peak. 

How did we get onto this tangent again?
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 23, 2012, 04:03:43 am
Just this week here in Switzerland I was talking to a guy about 30 years old. He is HIV+ and was on treatment for a few years and now has gone off treatment because "there are many unanswered questions about the virus and the treatment" and, yeah, here it comes, told me all about how now he follows alternative treatment with a "naturopath" and about how his doctor was on board and yada yada yada and I thought, geez louise, 2012, and this shit is still happening.... 
Oh, yes, and Obama stole the election... And other myths we tell ourselves I dunno why, since we know its malarky.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Since2005 on November 23, 2012, 05:21:19 pm
I like to search google.com/news on the latest HIV news and there are articles that we are close to the cure (but still years away) ...

what is your opinion?
What form of cure do you think it will be? stem cell? vaccinne? pills?

10 sounds very ambitious? Hmm
May be 15/20 years..

Thanks to the member who shared about the article on 'boosting immune'
So hope continues...
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: thunter34 on November 23, 2012, 06:39:32 pm
Hellraiser is this a real thought, or just bemused speculation?

HIV is probably stamped all over all your medical records right now. Just have a peak. 



I had to raise an eyebrow at this, too...but then maybe I'm just over-obsessive about details.  Have you not ever seen - or asked for personal duplicates of - copies of any of your medical stuff?  I'm just wondering because I've asked several times for print outs of papers related to my VL and counts, etc.


And on a side note about perhaps being over-obsessive:  it's "peek", Mr. Educator.   ;)
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: elf on November 24, 2012, 04:58:55 am
There will be no cure because status quo (''chronic disease'') is more profitable for big pharma companies...
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 24, 2012, 05:18:13 am
There will be no cure because status quo (''chronic disease'') is more profitable for big pharma companies...

Then why is Gilead about to market a non interferon treatment that cures Hep C?  For which they expect to make billions.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Common_ground on November 24, 2012, 07:44:13 am
There will be no cure because status quo (''chronic disease'') is more profitable for big pharma companies...

So I guess you also believe
a) There is no competition (free market powers) in the pharma/medical business.
b) The holder of a cure would not make an enormous  profit for years ahead ( possibly indefinitely) in patent rights.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: dale gribble on November 24, 2012, 02:43:58 pm
so far as of right now nothing was confirmed
from my specialist nothing as of now like to see a cure but nothing is in sight
people hiv isn't a joke I just read a comment from someone that  stopped taking his meds i'm on my 4th month I don't want to go through it
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: mecch on November 24, 2012, 03:23:21 pm
scratch that post.
I've got my answer.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Hellraiser on November 24, 2012, 05:19:06 pm
All I was saying was that from what I Recall they always said they "thought" I was positive, but were always awaiting a confirmatory test.  But yes we have genotypes and all that.  Bemused speculation :P
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: dale gribble on November 24, 2012, 06:48:34 pm
there's no cure as of now
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 24, 2012, 06:59:07 pm
All I was saying was that from what I Recall they always said they "thought" I was positive, but were always awaiting a confirmatory test.  But yes we have genotypes and all that.  Bemused speculation :P

I will have you know I am at a CD4 count of 240ish.  Which I think now exempts me from needing regular prophylactic antibiotics.  Also, I thought the VL count was not "proof" in and of itself?  On that note I've been undetectable sinced about 6 months from starting meds.

Gerrrrl, you thinking too much.  Should I conclude that you stopped taking the antibiotics without ever consulting this with your physician or ID specialist?  No, no, no, no.

And as the Swiss professor noted, you never get/request a copy of your labs?  I'd expect better from someone who, IIRC, did his undergraduate studies in a scientific discipline.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Fisher on November 25, 2012, 12:29:44 pm
Those cupcakes are disgusting. EEEEeeeeeee. Please send me a baker's dozen.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Mrmojorisin on November 25, 2012, 01:33:51 pm
I just saw a video that explained the sour cream is the cause of AIDS and whipped cream is the cure :o
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Mrmojorisin on November 25, 2012, 01:37:40 pm
Just this week here in Switzerland I was talking to a guy about 30 years old. He is HIV+ and was on treatment for a few years and now has gone off treatment because "there are many unanswered questions about the virus and the treatment" and, yeah, here it comes, told me all about how now he follows alternative treatment with a "naturopath" and about how his doctor was on board and yada yada yada and I thought, geez louise, 2012, and this shit is still happening.... 
Oh, yes, and Obama stole the election... And other myths we tell ourselves I dunno why, since we know its malarky.
Obama didn't steal the election..He paid for it fair and square. He showed me the reciept.
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: elf on November 30, 2012, 09:31:09 pm
Well, it does look very grim  :-\

http://www.thebodypro.com/content/69595/toward-an-hiv-cure-overview-and-latest-strategies.html?getPage=2
Title: Re: when do you think there will be a cure for HIV?
Post by: Rev. Moon on November 30, 2012, 10:44:55 pm
Well, it does look very grim  :-\

http://www.thebodypro.com/content/69595/toward-an-hiv-cure-overview-and-latest-strategies.html?getPage=2


That was actually a pretty decent article.  Thanks for sharing.

I have to say though, I'm not sure what's so grim about it.  We just need to stop these expectations about turning the tv on tomorrow and finding a flashing headline announcing that the cure for teh AIDS has been found.  We've been hearing about "ten years" since 1985 or so.  We have to be realistic. 

One thing that I wanted to highlight from that article was the link towards the end discussing the Visconti Cohort, which should be of great interest to anyone who started treatment shortly after/during the initial stages of infection (i.e. yours truly).  Some of the people in this study have been able to control the virus without meds for seven years (after being on them for three) in a way that's sort of similar to an elite controller. 

It also provides some good insight/evidence when it comes to the discussion about how soon people should start meds.

http://www.thebodypro.com/content/69044/on-the-hiv-cure-front.html

Quote
On the HIV Cure Front
From Test Positive Aware Network
September/October 2012

A group of patients in France who became infected with HIV and then started on antiretroviral therapy (ART) early in the post-infection period have shown no signs of a resurgence of their HIV infection seven years after being taken off therapy.
"These results suggest that ... antiretroviral treatment should be started very early after infection," said Charline Bacchus, lead researcher of the study at the French National Agency for Research on AIDS and Viral Hepatitis (ANRS).
The patients in the ANRS EP47 VISCONTI cohort (known as the Visconti Cohort) have an extremely low reservoir of HIV in their cells similar to that of "HIV controller" patients. HIV controllers are those who are able to control their HIV infection without the use of ART for an extended period of time, and represent about one out of every 300 people who have HIV.

In the study, 12 patients started therapy within 10 weeks of infection, were on therapy for an average of three years, and were able to control HIV after an average of seven years off therapy. At a press conference Asier Saez-Cirión, one of the study investigators, said they were interested in finding out whether HIV controller status could be induced. He estimated that 5-15% of those treated early could eventually control HIV off therapy. But don't stop those HIV meds just yet -- not only would we need to figure out how to identify who would have this type of response to early treatment, but also get those individuals onto treatment immediately following infection. The other question one might ask is, could some of those in the study already have been HIV controllers to begin with? While the genetic alleles commonly associated with HIV controllers was not found in these patients there may be other factors playing a role, which researchers now are trying to uncover.

Another study looked at two men who had been infected with HIV for many years, on suppressive antiretroviral therapy (ART), and who underwent treatment of lymphoma via an allogenic (meaning foreign, or from another donor) stem cell transplantation. Both patients received a milder form of chemotherapy, known as the conditioning regimen, prior to transplant, which allowed them to stay on their ART during and after the transplant. One patient was on Atripla, the other on Isentress/Truvada. HIV was detectable in their cells immediately after the transplant, but the transplanted donor cells replaced the patients' own lymphocytes over time. The amount of HIV DNA in their blood cells decreased and became undetectable, for up to two years now in one patient and three-and-a-half years in the other. CD4s declined in both patients initially, followed by a robust CD4 increase in one patient, and the stabilization and no further decline of CD4s in the other.
Unlike Timothy Ray Brown, the "Berlin Patient," who received cells that were resistant to HIV because they lacked the CCR5 receptor, these patients received cells that were CCR5+. It is believed that the antiretroviral treatment protected the donor cells from becoming infected, leading one researcher to refer to it as "a form of PrEP [pre-exposure prophylaxis] at the cellular level." Further tissue sampling and analytic treatment interruption will need to be conducted to assess the full extent of the reduction of HIV in the reservoir.
At a press conference held the same day these two studies were presented, David Margolis, M.D., University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, was asked by a reporter about the media's role in reporting on cure advances responsibly and accurately, while at the same time not giving too much hope or creating complacency.
"That's your job," said Margolis. "We are very careful about what we say [as researchers], and we've defined cure several different ways. Different kinds of cure and eradication mean different things to different people, and have different levels of value. Perhaps we should come up with a word, like 'complicated-eradication-chemo-immunotherapy,' to slow people down. But you can't argue with the goal and you can't get there without working on it -- and I can't say how long it will take."

Edited to add a word.