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Author Topic: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional  (Read 22210 times)

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Offline nixsmail

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2010, 04:13:37 pm »
well said mike, i don't really think that you could find "proof" or "no proof" anywhere of things that people perceive as derogatory. maybe boze also considers fag or faggot to be not derogatory as well. seems to me it fits in the same class he's trying to make.
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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2010, 04:19:24 pm »
I've never considered the n-word derogatory because there's a river called that in Africa, just with one less "g" to confuse everyone.  Well, they're not fooling me!
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Offline Hellraiser

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2010, 04:25:12 pm »
I've never considered the n-word derogatory because there's a river called that in Africa, just with one less "g" to confuse everyone.  Well, they're not fooling me!

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2010, 04:27:48 pm »
Really??  you just dig deeper and deeper while trying to rationalize your nonesense.  "where this practice started"??? 
Clearly you either can not see what the issue is here or you simply choose not to see it.  Yes, Lesbos has a good deal of history around lesbians and did lend its name to the term, but that still doesn't make it right to call them lesbos.  Just because you can't find it on the internet doesn't make it untrue -- anymore than seeing something on the internet making it true.  Your repeated defense of your action is just showing your ignorance.

And......   if lesbians decided that they didn't want to be called lesbians -- than it would only be proper to stop calling them that. 
Your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to what someone else finds derogatory.  Why are you even fighting this fact??  You make absolutely no sense to me.

Mike

A lot of words, not a lot of sense. I asked - why is lesbo derogatory if it's simply the root of the word. Your only explanation - because lesbians find it so. Moreover - you can't provide any prooflink to your view, so then 'anything on the internet isn't really a source because i can't back my words up with it'.

I don't care so much about this word in particular - just fed up with PC where everybody is always offended. You're not even a woman and you're offended.

Those who want to know why nigger is derogatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#Etymology_and_history

faggot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)#Etymology

dyke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyke_(slang)

I'm not saying there is a 'proof' - only asking why if there is no mention of this anywhere, why do I have to take someone's word with no explanation?
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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2010, 04:27:54 pm »
I've never considered the n-word derogatory because there's a river called that in Africa, just with one less "g" to confuse everyone.  Well, they're not fooling me!

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2010, 04:32:28 pm »
A lot of words, not a lot of sense. I asked - why is lesbo derogatory if it's simply the root of the word. Your only explanation - because lesbians find it so. Moreover - you can't provide any prooflink to your view, so then 'anything on the internet isn't really a source because i can't back my words up with it'.

I don't care so much about this word in particular - just fed up with PC where everybody is always offended. You're not even a woman and you're offended.

Those who want to know why nigger is derogatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#Etymology_and_history

faggot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)#Etymology

dyke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyke_(slang)

I'm not saying there is a 'proof' - only asking why if there is no mention of this anywhere, why do I have to take someone's word with no explanation?


So if it doesn't bother you it shouldn't bother anyone else, eh? 
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2010, 04:41:24 pm »
Boze, you may not like the fact that some people find a term offensive but you can't tell them they shouldn't feel offended. You can say you don't care if they are offended, you can tell them that you didn't mean to offend, but you can't tell them how to feel. If a lesbian says she find that term offensive the polite thing to do is apologize, not argue the point.

Offline Hellraiser

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2010, 04:43:51 pm »
Boze, you may not like the fact that some people find a term offensive but you can't tell them they shouldn't feel offended. You can say you don't care if they are offended, you can tell them that you didn't mean to offend, but you can't tell them how to feel. If a lesbian says she find that term offensive the polite thing to do is apologize, not argue the point.

Precisely.  Also why am I posting in this thread again?

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2010, 04:50:07 pm »
A lot of words, not a lot of sense.

Is it OK if I place this in my siggy line as a quote?
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Offline Boze

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2010, 05:00:49 pm »
Boze, you may not like the fact that some people find a term offensive but you can't tell them they shouldn't feel offended. You can say you don't care if they are offended, you can tell them that you didn't mean to offend, but you can't tell them how to feel. If a lesbian says she find that term offensive the polite thing to do is apologize, not argue the point.

I guess the reason it's offensive is the perceived 'lack of respect'. Most minorities are not happy if they are called by any term that's is not exactly their preferred nomenclature.

I see it now and apologize if anyone took offense.
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Offline Boze

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2010, 05:02:00 pm »
Is it OK if I place this in my siggy line as a quote?

By all means!
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Offline anniebc

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2010, 02:26:16 am »
Overweight, lots of flannel, and a mullet.

Ummmm..

All these years and I never knew.. ;)

Ah well I'm off down the pub now to down a few tinnies, see ya later.
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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2010, 05:21:13 am »
SIgh.

Let me explain this carefully for you Bozie. What we have here is a clear cut case of misogyny.

The Governor of Hawaii has vetoed a bill concerning civil unions for same sex couples. Rather than comment on the substance of the issue, Ted, Madbrain and the other one have decided to pass reference to the Governors physical appearance which they believe suggests she is a lesbian.

This is called misogyny.

MtD



My comment wasn't based on appearance. I heard on the TV program gay usa that she was a closeted lesbian. This wasn't my opinion, just something I was reporting. That program didn't have any pictures of her, just commentary. I didn't actually see what she looked like until after this thread when I googled her.

Anyway, it's too bad this thread went off topic.

The judge's ruling is a very interesting one. Now it remains to be seen whether the administration will appeal it, and whether it will apply to anyone other than the original parties who sued.

Offline Cliff

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2010, 07:33:57 am »
I guess the reason it's offensive is the perceived 'lack of respect'. Most minorities are not happy if they are called by any term that's is not exactly their preferred nomenclature.

I see it now and apologize if anyone took offense.
And the award for the forum's most passive-aggressive, non-apology apology goes to...

Offline Boze

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« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2010, 09:12:24 am »
And the award for the forum's most passive-aggressive, non-apology apology goes to...

Should I call the Jesse Jackson equivalent of lesbians?
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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2010, 09:39:20 am »
Should I call the Jesse Jackson equivalent of lesbians?

One step forward and two steps back, good stuff Bozo!
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2010, 11:00:05 am »

All these years and I never knew.. ;)

I don't recall seeing you as overweight in person my dear.  And that's not a proper mullet you sport, though it's a bit Park Slope Brooklyn lesbian circa 1989, but they all copied it from Geraldine Ferraro.
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Offline BlueMoon

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2010, 12:29:18 pm »
I don't understand....  How is this not much less acceptable usage than "lesbo"? 

I don't know about that, but it's apparently ok to refer to Americans as Yanks and Seppos (septic tanks).
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« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2010, 12:56:04 pm »
I don't know about that, but it's apparently ok to refer to Americans as Yanks and Seppos (septic tanks).

I get called "the Yank" all the time and it's almost like some people think it's my last name. It doesn't bother me in the least.

But call me a lesbo and you're gonna piss me off big time. I have to admit I don't mind dyke, provided it's not said in a nasty context/tone of voice where it's obvious it's being used as an insult. Most of the gay women I know don't mind dyke either, again provided it's not being used to insult.
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2010, 03:35:42 pm »
I don't know about that, but it's apparently ok to refer to Americans as Yanks and Seppos (septic tanks).

"Yank" (never "yankee") you'll have to live with. It's not a perjorative. It's simply what we call youse. Just like we call the English "poms". Also, we don't make the distinction between north and south, so to us a Cajun is as much a yank as a New Englander.

As far as we're concerned, you all piss in the same pot. :)

Speaking of pots which are pissed in, "seppo" (as you have noted) is the shortened version of the Australian rhyming slang "septic tank" (it rhymes with "yank" geddit?), and also doesn't carry any particularly negative connotation these days. I believe it originated during WWII when it wasn't considered the nicest of labels.

Though I can appreciate how the targets of that particular appellation might be slightly less than gruntled. It does lack a certain glamour.

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2010, 04:54:55 pm »
I get called "the Yank" all the time and it's almost like some people think it's my last name. It doesn't bother me in the least.

But call me a lesbo and you're gonna piss me off big time. I have to admit I don't mind dyke, provided it's not said in a nasty context/tone of voice where it's obvious it's being used as an insult. Most of the gay women I know don't mind dyke either, again provided it's not being used to insult.

I don't take offense that easily.  The purpose of my post was to agree with Edfu about the blatant hypocrisy that derailed the thread.

It's a complex world

Offline Matty the Damned

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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2010, 04:57:50 pm »
I don't take offense that easily.  The purpose of my post was to agree with Edfu about the blatant hypocrisy that derailed the thread.



Hypocrisy is the stuff that power the internets, without it we'd all be bored senseless.

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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2010, 07:35:23 pm »
I call anyone born north of the Mason-Dixon line a yankee, and rightfully so.

Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2010, 08:16:18 pm »
I call anyone born south of the Mason-Dixon line a unrepentant racist, and rightfully so.
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« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2010, 09:19:42 pm »
I call anyone born south of the Mason-Dixon line a unrepentant racist, and rightfully so.

I hope your central air takes a dump tonight.
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« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2010, 09:35:43 pm »
I hope your central air takes a dump tonight.

Fret not -- areas from Orlando southward are grouped with the Caribbean basin, not Dixie, due to the high volume of foreskin.
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« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2010, 09:39:57 pm »
Fret not -- areas from Orlando southward are grouped with the Caribbean basin, not Dixie, due to the high volume of foreskin.

So what are you washing the klonnies down with tonight? Paint thinner or nail polish remover?

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2010, 09:41:45 pm »
So what are you washing the klonnies down with tonight? Paint thinner or nail polish remover?

MtD

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2010, 09:43:15 pm »
No klonnies tonight, I'm getting high from the smell of my arm pits.

Ah. Diesel straight from the pump. How butch. :)

MtD

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Re: Judge Rules Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2010, 01:24:17 am »
I call anyone born south of the Mason-Dixon line a unrepentant racist, and rightfully so.

This is so untrue I'm not unrepentant.

(yes I'm kidding before anyone gets their panties in a wad)

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« Reply #80 on: July 13, 2010, 06:08:05 am »
I gave a course in Taboo language a few years ago.  With the rise of Internet, mobile communications, "text speak" and ever more casual and clipped ways of communicating, many young people don't bother or don't even know how to switch registers - adjusting speech to the situation and people present.  Unfortunately I gave the course in a elite university and the students didn't need it much. I proposed it to the public high school ("gymase") and the administration was horrified! shocked! by the contents.

After a certain age, and if you want to contribute to something so mixed up as a global Internet discussion forum, you've got to learn some respect.

Boze, if you can't figure out that "lesbo" might offend, you might want to watch this documentary:
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