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Title: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on October 12, 2010, 09:11:37 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/10/porn-actor-has-tested-positive-for-hiv-industry-clinic-officials-confirm.html


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Porn actor has tested positive for HIV; industry clinic officials confirm a quarantine is in effect [Updated]
October 12, 2010 |  1:32 pm

An adult-film performer has tested positive for HIV at a Sherman Oaks clinic frequented by those in the porn industry, according to clinic staff.

"We do have a confirmed adult-industry performer who tested positive for HIV. We are quarantining and testing all exposed partners to the individual who tested positive for HIV," said Jennifer Miller, HIV/STD counselor at the AIM clinic in Sherman Oaks, where the person was tested.

Miller would not say the gender of the person, what companies he or she worked for, when the person was tested or whether AIM had notified state and county health officials.

"We’re doing what we can to notify the individuals involved," Miller said.

[Updated at 2:30 p.m.: The positive HIV test is the first reported since last year when an adult-film actress, who industry officials said had worked rarely, was infected with the virus. No one else in the industry was infected as a result.

It was unclear immediately how far reaching the implications were in the most recent case.

An outbreak among performers in 2004 occurred when an HIV-positive male porn star, Darren James, infected three female performers with whom he'd filmed sex scenes. James, who had recently worked outside the U.S., was not aware of his positive status at the time he performed.

Dozens of performers who had contact with James and the three women needed additional testing, shutting down production for a month in the spring of 2004.

The case announced Tuesday may fuel the continuing controversy over whether the industry does enough to protect performers.

Much of the testing for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV is done at the AIM clinic.

Clinic officials, together with porn industry leaders, have long promoted regular testing of porn performers for sexually transmitted diseases an an effective way to prevent the spread of disease.
 
But Los Angeles County public health officials and state occupational health officials say the widespread lack of condom use on porn sets puts performers at risk for contracting HIV and other diseases.

State officials are considering strengthening rules requiring condom use in adult movies filmed in California. The next meeting on the issue is scheduled for Oct. 25 in Oakland.

Although state officials maintain condoms already are required under workplace rules concerning the transmission of bodily fluids, they are rarely used in straight porn films because producers say they depress sales.]

-- Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Rong-Gong Lin II

Darrenjames Read more: Former porn star Darren James speaks out about latest HIV case

 
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Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Matty the Damned on October 12, 2010, 09:54:15 pm
People are getting HIV through sex these days? Whodathunk it?

MtD
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 12, 2010, 10:02:05 pm
State officials are considering strengthening rules requiring condom use in adult movies filmed in California.

Brazilian exports will be rising if this occurs.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Matty the Damned on October 12, 2010, 10:09:03 pm
You know what would be really cool? If this forum had a board where, oh I dunno, we could post about HIV related stuff. Y'know? Sorta dedicated to HIV issues.

Rather than having to post about it here in the fucking off topic forum.

That'd be fucking bonza.

MtD
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: skeebo1969 on October 12, 2010, 11:28:05 pm
You know what would be really cool? If this forum had a board where, oh I dunno, we could post about HIV related stuff. Y'know? Sorta dedicated to HIV issues.

Rather than having to post about it here in the fucking off topic forum.

That'd be fucking bonza.

MtD

Maybe D thought this really wasn't all that big ah deal. :-\
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on October 12, 2010, 11:45:13 pm
I'm really kinda surprised that OSHA hasn't gotten involved in adult films.  They make rules for just about every other kind of occupation to protect workers.  I'm not saying they should--just surprised they haven't. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2010, 12:01:24 am
Given all the hoopla I'm assuming this was a heterosexual or bisexual actor. HIV+ actors are not uncommon in gay porn.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Matty the Damned on October 13, 2010, 12:11:38 am
Maybe D thought this really wasn't all that big ah deal. :-\

Yeah. It's my problem. For some reason posting HIV stuff in OT drives me mental. Mental in a "shot three people in the church foyer before being shot dead by a police marksman" sorta way.

Sorry D. :)

Hey, perhaps we should have a porn forum?

MtD
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: bocker3 on October 13, 2010, 07:38:17 am
Hey, perhaps we should have a porn forum?

MtD

If we did that -- who would post in the other forums??   ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on October 13, 2010, 07:39:22 am
I'm really kinda surprised that OSHA hasn't gotten involved in adult films.  They make rules for just about every other kind of occupation to protect workers.  I'm not saying they should--just surprised they haven't.  

Ted dear i thought you were the Internet king!
This started happening this summer and they decided to pick on Larry Flynt first because of his celebrity and they want to attract publicity to the problem of workplace dangers due to bareback sex.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/press/condom-complaints-says-ahf,1464710.html
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Hellraiser on October 14, 2010, 01:54:30 am
Yeah. It's my problem. For some reason posting HIV stuff in OT drives me mental. Mental in a "shot three people in the church foyer before being shot dead by a police marksman" sorta way.

Sorry D. :)

Hey, perhaps we should have a porn forum?

MtD

It makes you anal.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: HowYouDoin on October 14, 2010, 10:09:43 am
i assumed that most if not all who are barebacking are poz in porn
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 14, 2010, 10:18:42 am
i assumed that most if not all who are barebacking are poz in porn

I don't think that's accurate.  The pay per scene, at least from some studios, is higher and then they test them using the same standard used for straight porn.  Yes, it's a risk but everyone knows it going into it.

Stuff like Treasure Island and machofucker though perhaps they're all HIV+
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Rev. Moon on October 14, 2010, 10:23:16 am
Stuff like Treasure Island and machofucker though perhaps they're all HIV+

Machofucker!  Oh yeah, you bets.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 14, 2010, 10:32:19 am
Machofucker!  Oh yeah, you bets.

Their latest find, "Russian Daddy", with the muchroom headed uncut piece and large Prince Albert is most assuredly a major winner :)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Granny60 on October 14, 2010, 02:37:26 pm
[quote  officials confirm a quarantine is in effect [Updated]
October 12, 2010 |  1:32 pm
 We are quarantining

[/quote]

Quarantines?  WTF?   This is not Polio , Measles or TB!   Send everyone a letter!  Paranoid scitzoprhenic wacko health workers with nothing to do apparently.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: odyssey on October 14, 2010, 02:41:01 pm
Granny60, I think by quarantine they mean they're not letting people shoot films until they know who has it and who doesn't and how it was transmitted and all that. Its not like a regular quarantine where they're locking people in their houses and stuff. They're just stopping the sex.

odyssey
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 14, 2010, 03:06:56 pm
odyssey is correct -- the porn industry in California (meaning the large studios, not amateur stuff) all use the same company and procedures for STD testing (Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation), and when something like this has happened previously they quarantine the infected, as well as any other actor/actress that they've done scenes with for "x" amount of time -- and by quarantine they mean quarantine them from making more films, not place them in some room with padded walls.

edit: source/reference added (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/10/more-porn-productions-shutdown-amid-concern-over-hiv.html#more):

Quote
The AIM quarantine means production companies are "placing a moratorium on filming any person one or two generations removed from sexual contact with the current patient," according to the statement, meaning individuals who had sex with the person who tested positive as well as their partners.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: dixieman on October 14, 2010, 04:57:45 pm
Oh its unfortunate that people are still being exposed to this crappy virus... it makes me wonder who maybe possibly hiv in the porn industry? This sounds pretty tacky but, I just might find a date after all...  sorry for the twisted humor...
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Granny60 on October 14, 2010, 05:14:51 pm
Granny60, I think by quarantine they mean they're not letting people shoot films until they know who has it and who doesn't and how it was transmitted and all that. Its not like a regular quarantine where they're locking people in their houses and stuff. They're just stopping the sex.

odyssey

then quarantine is a poor choice of words. they need to put them on leave or furlough. No need to give the Hollier than God  Republicans any new ideas.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on October 15, 2010, 01:44:02 am
i assumed that most if not all who are barebacking are poz in porn

There is a guy here in Louisville who has done bareback porn for a small porn company.  Well, I've seen the DVDs in adult stores, so I don't know how small it is.  Anyway, I know for a fact that he has HIV as well as his partner.  So, I don't know whether the film makers know that or even care.  Maybe everyone in the scene with him are all poz as well.  I believe the company is Bacchus Adult Films. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: red_Dragon888 on October 19, 2010, 04:33:41 am
There is a guy here in Louisville who has done bareback porn for a small porn company.  Well, I've seen the DVDs in adult stores, so I don't know how small it is.  Anyway, I know for a fact that he has HIV as well as his partner.  So, I don't know whether the film makers know that or even care.  Maybe everyone in the scene with him are all poz as well.  I believe the company is Bacchus Adult Films. 
They don't care.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: carousel on October 19, 2010, 06:08:54 pm
At the very least, it might be a bit strange having a dvd of the time that you were infected.

Some kind of momento, I suppose.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Granny60 on October 19, 2010, 10:36:13 pm
At the very least, it might be a bit strange having a dvd of the time that you were infected.

Some kind of momento, I suppose.

No shit. What a reminder :o. This would be good enough reason for the porn industry to show good examples!
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: decayingsinner on October 24, 2010, 07:23:45 pm
At the very least, it might be a bit strange having a dvd of the time that you were infected.

Some kind of momento, I suppose.

I have a feeling they are all infected upon filming.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on October 24, 2010, 09:22:25 pm
How do you know they weren't infected during a date with a gay in a bar who didn't know he was HIV=?  It's galling that many of you think adult performers are less safe than the rest of you, many of who were diagnosed with 3 t-cells and had been infected hundreds over a decade.

In fact, I'd wager that the porn industry (seeing as how infections on set are few and far between) are much safer than the average guy at the local watering hole, which includes most of us posting on these forums.

I'm always surprised at the gross moralizing on display in AIDSmeds.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: phildinftlaudy on October 24, 2010, 10:41:17 pm
I keep hearing the deafening sounds of the shattering of large amounts of glass...

NEWS ALERT:

News stations across the world are reporting that a significant amount of glass houses have apparently begun to shatter...

THE CAUSE:

The people living in them are throwing stones....
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Jeff G on October 24, 2010, 11:34:16 pm
How do you know they weren't infected during a date with a gay in a bar who didn't know he was HIV=?  It's galling that many of you think adult performers are less safe than the rest of you, many of who were diagnosed with 3 t-cells and had been infected hundreds over a decade.

In fact, I'd wager that the porn industry (seeing as how infections on set are few and far between) are much safer than the average guy at the local watering hole, which includes most of us posting on these forums.

I'm always surprised at the gross moralizing on display in AIDSmeds.

Thank you . 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on October 26, 2010, 02:31:51 am
At the very least, it might be a bit strange having a dvd of the time that you were infected.

Some kind of momento, I suppose.

i believe this did happen once in recent times. maybe a european actor, 3 way. hiv was transmitted, caught on film. i don't know if the studio is still releasing the video but they were for a while.

i agree with missP, btw.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on October 26, 2010, 02:38:24 am
*I don't know how legit this is, i kinda just pulled it from a site. The story is different from what i remember. please note the actor believes he picked it up on the set and there are some facts left out. also, i haven't looked into the testing practices of pornographic actors but i believe, and probably for no good reason, they are given rapid tests before barebacking if their hiv status is unknown or negative.

    HIV scandal in gay porn industry
    By Madeleine Holt
    BBC Online
    Tuesday 4th March, 2008.

    Three films have been withdrawn from sale following a Newsnight investigation into the health risks of so-called bareback gay porn - which shows men have unprotected sex. It follows concerns within the gay community that performers are being infected with HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.

    Two of the DVDs featured footage from a week-long shoot during which eight British models had sex with each other in multiple combinations without condoms.

    Four of those who took part were diagnosed as HIV positive soon after. One of the men told the BBC he was distressed that footage which he believed showed him becoming infected had been put on sale.

    In a separate case a British producer, Rufus Ffoulkes, was jailed last week on a child pornography charge for putting a 16-year-old boy in a gay porn film in which he had unprotected sex.

    The US company which released the film had refused appeals to stop selling the DVD until it was approached by Newsnight.

    Now, Britain's leading bareback film company, Icreme, has told the BBC it has decided to only do films using condoms.

    Most heterosexual pornography has never featured condoms. But showing unprotected sex became taboo in gay porn after HIV and Aids emerged in the 1980s.

    Yet in the last four years there has been an explosion in the production of bareback films. They now make up about 60% of the gay market.

    Some health officials believe this is a sign of a wider complacency in society about the risks of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases which is mirrored in rising statistics for new infections.

    Ceri Evans, Senior Sexual Health Adviser at Charing Cross Hospital in London, told Newsnight: "I think that there is a possibility of something being called condom fatigue.

    "We have been talking about condoms so long that people are bored or think they know it all. Education in schools is not what it could be, for anybody, for heterosexual but particularly if you are gay."

    The rise of bareback porn exasperates many who lived through the 1980s and 1990s. In the US the leading gay porn director Chi Chi Larue has taken a very public stance against bareback films.

    "After all the gay community has been through why are we putting people at risk for porn," he says in a new advert aimed at persuading consumers to boycott bareback films.

    In Britain the campaign against bareback is being lead by a director called Steven Brewer.

    He is inviting both producers and performers to sign up to a new code of practice designed to minimise risk within the gay porn industry.

    He told Newsnight: "I just don't want another 18-year-old model crying on my shoulder not sure how to tell his partner or his parents that he is now HIV positive."
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on October 26, 2010, 04:38:39 am
Yep and I read an interview with one of those young men about a year afterward.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 05, 2010, 11:37:13 am
I didn't think this latest incident would make much of a difference.

Studio Reups HIV-Positive Porn Star
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/11/04/Studio_Reups_HIV_Positive_Porn_Star/

Porn studio Treasure Island Media announced last week that it has extended its contract with an HIV-positive actor who specializes in bareback sex and his HIV-negative partner.

Brad McGuire and James Roscoe (pictured from left) are a "long-term, promiscuous, bareback couple," according to a press release posted by The Sword (possibly NSFW). Roscoe is HIV-positive, and McGuire is HIV-negative.

The move comes after a porn actor tested positive for HIV last month, shaking up the industry, based in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. The positive test temporarily shut down production in some studios, though none of the performers the actor worked with tested positive for the virus.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on November 05, 2010, 08:20:45 pm
I have seen that Mcquire in bareback gangbang scenes doing guys with many loads in their bum.  How on earth does a guy stay negative. They are all on haart?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on November 05, 2010, 08:41:16 pm
source (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/no-additional-hiv-cases-detected-in-porn-performers-industry-clinic-says.html)

No additional HIV cases detected in porn performers
November 5, 2010 |  3:17 pm

Officials at the San Fernando Valley clinic where a porn performer tested HIV-positive last month announced Friday that two rounds of tests showed no other adult film performers connected with the individual had contracted the virus.

The performer tested HIV-positive Oct. 9 at the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, or AIM, in Sherman Oaks. The clinic routinely tests performers working in the San Fernando Valley's lucrative adult film industry for sexually transmitted diseases and maintains a database of their results for porn producers.

Once the new HIV case was detected, clinic officials created a quarantine list of performers to test who had worked with the porn performer, referred to in Friday's news release as "Patient Zeta."

Clinic officials released a statement Friday saying they had completed testing of two generations of the patient’s partners, "from both personal and professional life," and all tested HIV negative "on two occasions, using multiple testing methods."

"It has been established that Patient Zeta acquired the virus through private, personal activity and there was no transmission of the HIV virus from Patient Zeta to anyone else," according to the release by an attorney for the clinic.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on November 06, 2010, 01:18:03 am
I'm very surprised they've been able to protect the identity of the man or woman.  It would seem like people close to the person and the people he/she had sex with would talk.  News gets around, so it would seem like even the camera people would know who it was.  If they do know and haven't blabbed, good for them.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: komnaes on November 06, 2010, 01:28:08 am

Brad McGuire and James Roscoe (pictured from left) are a "long-term, promiscuous, bareback couple," according to a press release posted by The Sword (possibly NSFW). Roscoe is HIV-positive, and McGuire is HIV-negative.


Now that's a shocker. This guy must have been in dozens of bareback videos. Is it possible that he's one of those rare immunity cases?

Which leads me to a question - do those who have the HLA B57 gene, which allegedly makes them immune to HIV, will still be tested positive after an exposure?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: joemutt on November 06, 2010, 03:05:25 am
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/11/05/arts/AP-US-Porn-Industry-HIV.html?ref=arts

(bare) back to business as usual .
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on November 06, 2010, 03:16:25 am
I didn't think this latest incident would make much of a difference.

Studio Reups HIV-Positive Porn Star
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/11/04/Studio_Reups_HIV_Positive_Porn_Star/

Porn studio Treasure Island Media announced last week that it has extended its contract with an HIV-positive actor who specializes in bareback sex and his HIV-negative partner.

Brad McGuire and James Roscoe (pictured from left) are a "long-term, promiscuous, bareback couple," according to a press release posted by The Sword (possibly NSFW). Roscoe is HIV-positive, and McGuire is HIV-negative.

The move comes after a porn actor tested positive for HIV last month, shaking up the industry, based in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. The positive test temporarily shut down production in some studios, though none of the performers the actor worked with tested positive for the virus.



These guys are a good example that you cannot look at someone and tell they have HIV.  I think the HIV poz guy looks healthier than the HIV neg guy. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 06, 2010, 09:44:55 am
I think the HIV poz guy looks healthier than the HIV neg guy.  

Of course we do. That's why I became HIV+ in the first place... to have that chisled, outdoorsy look as I hold my poodles. :)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: wtfimpoz on November 06, 2010, 01:39:44 pm
I have seen that Mcquire in bareback gangbang scenes doing guys with many loads in their bum.  How on earth does a guy stay negative. They are all on haart?

some guys are really lucky.  I know of a former bugchaser who claims it took him two years.  Another barebacker I know us "poz friendly" and claims he still hasn't been infected.  There are others who will go to their graves swearing that their risk was minimal/nonexistant.  My guess is that we still have a lot to learn about why some people seem so much luckier than others.  I would really love to see a study explaining this.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 08, 2010, 03:51:00 am
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-hiv-20101208,0,7550266.story?track=rss

The adult film performer who tested HIV-positive at a San Fernando Valley clinic this fall spoke out for the first time Tuesday, calling for mandatory condom use in porn productions, improved testing for sexually transmitted disease and follow-up care for fellow performers.

Derrick Burts, 24, said he tested HIV-positive in October at the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation in Sherman Oaks after working in both gay and straight porn films for a few months. He had previously been identified only as Patient Zeta.

Producers of straight porn regularly check performers' test results using a database maintained by the clinic, known as AIM, to clear actors for work.

Burts, who performed in straight films as "Cameron Reid" and gay films as "Derek Chambers," said he was tested at the clinic Oct. 8, then received a panicked call from clinic staff the following afternoon, summoning him to the office.

When he got there, he said, clinic staff told him that he had tested HIV-positive. They wanted to perform a follow-up test and begin notifying performers he had worked with since his last negative test result Sept. 3. Those performers, he was told, would be placed on a quarantine list while they, too, were tested.

Burts said he gave clinic staff the names of about a dozen performers he had worked with in California and Florida in in both gay and straight productions. The list included his girlfriend, who also works in the industry as a performer. He watched as clinic staff began scanning a performer database, notifying those he had named and placing them on a quarantine list.

The clinic has since said that none of the performers on its quarantine list tested positive. Burts confirmed that his girlfriend tested negative.

He said that when he returned to the clinic Oct. 23 to review the second test results, clinic staff told him that they had traced his HIV infection to someone he had performed a scene with whom they described to him as a "known positive."

Although straight porn performers must show negative HIV test results before filming, the gay porn industry does not have the same restrictions, although condom use is typically required.

Burts said he asked who the performer was and clinic staff told him they could not reveal the performer's name or gender due to patient confidentiality.

Clinic officials could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday night. An attorney for the clinic was traveling outside the United States, according to an e-mail received from him earlier in the day.

Burts says he may have contracted the disease during a gay porn shoot in Florida. He said the performers used condoms during intercourse but not during oral sex.

Contrary to Burts' account of what he was told, clinic officials released a statement last month saying "Patient Zeta acquired the virus through private, personal activity."

"That's completely false," Burts said Tuesday. "There is no possible way. The only person I had sex with in my personal life was my girlfriend."

Before he left the clinic Oct. 23, Burts said clinic staff put him in touch with a doctor affiliated with the clinic and promised to arrange for his follow-up care.

Burts said no one followed up, and he felt neglected.

"AIM promised they would help me set up a doctor and get treatment," he said. "They did none of that."

Burts said AIM staff had warned him not to contact the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, whose officials have been among the clinic's chief critics. In frustration, Burts said he went to an AIDS Healthcare Foundation center in Los Angeles on Nov. 24 and saw a doctor, never identifying himself as Patient Zeta.

Pleased with the care he received at the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, Burts contacted the group's leaders last week, identified himself as Patient Zeta and said he wanted to speak out on their behalf and in favor of enforcing mandatory condom use in porn productions. Foundation officials have scheduled a news conference with Burts for 10 a.m. Wednesday.

"AIM likes to state that testing is enough. That's completely false," he said, noting that in the months before he tested positive for HIV, he had also contracted chlamydia, gonorrhea and herpes.

"It's very dangerous," he said of adult film work. "It should be required that you wear a condom on the set."

Burts, who grew up in Whittier and Hemet, graduated from Hemet High School and a hotel management school in Florida and worked as a hotel manager and cruise ship magician before becoming a porn performer for the money. He said he earned $200 to $800 for filming a straight scene and $1,000 to $2,000 for a gay scene.

Looking back, he said he wishes he had known more about the risks of contracting sexually transmitted diseases in the industry.

"Making $10,000 or $15,000 for porn isn't worth your life," he said. "Performers need to be educated."


==

dude, i just don't like this article. bitter, exploited and revengeful is what comes to mind when i read this.  he believes he caught hiv through oral sex and wants mandatory testing enforced because of what happened to him i i am having a hard time believing a porn star does not know how hiv is transmitted and i have a feeling his revelation (outing himself) may come back to harm him in the future. btw, the article has a picture of him.

best,
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: jkinatl2 on December 08, 2010, 04:03:35 am
I agree. It seems that he has blamed an extraordinarily rare (verging on theoretical) risk for HIV infection rather than following Occum's rather long razor in this case. And instead of taking responsibility for his infection (does the notion of a window period really mean nothing?) he calls upon an industry to change.

God, what lengths people will go to in order to claim victim status. seriously.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 08, 2010, 04:19:51 am
Hopefully he will come around.  It takes time and its probably not easy being in his confused shoes, considering his age, and doing both straight and gay porn (why do porn? why do both straight and gay?), and having so many STDs and now in a sero-discordant relationship with a porn actress, and being publicly disclosed as HIV+.   ::)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 08, 2010, 10:05:58 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101208/ap_on_re_us/us_porn_industry_hiv

here's another story i came across this morning. almost identical to the first one.

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 08, 2010, 11:03:31 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101208/ap_on_re_us/us_porn_industry_hiv

here's another story i came across this morning. almost identical to the first one.

best,
d

Honey, Derrick Burts aka Cameron Reid aka Derek Chambers is "Patient Zeta" in the original story -- this is not a second HIV porn infection story, it's the same person.  The only discrepancy is the source of this guy's infection, per the clinic quarantine process -- he's saying he only had sex with his girlfriend (laughable if you have actually seen this guy who looks gayer than if you put ten versions of Miss P in the same room (http://www.queerclick.com/archive/2010/08/real_guys_exposed_derek_chambers.php)).
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 08, 2010, 03:12:23 pm
He's 24? He looks younger than that to me.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Rev. Moon on December 08, 2010, 10:13:46 pm
(laughable if you have actually seen this guy who looks gayer than if you put ten versions of Miss P in the same room (http://www.queerclick.com/archive/2010/08/real_guys_exposed_derek_chambers.php)).

Skrait?  Whatevz.  Major twink.  Dennis will be all over him.  

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 08, 2010, 10:19:48 pm
Oh, and you want another big laugh?  I read on a message board (gay, but non-HIV) that Derrick Burts claims that in the porn scene that he believes he was infected from he used a condom for anal sex, and thus was infected via oral sex  ::)  

Another person on that board says that Derrick had escort ads up months ago offering services a la BB for a surcharge... so non-immaculate of her!
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Rev. Moon on December 08, 2010, 10:22:38 pm
Derrick Burts claims that in the porn scene that he believes he was infected from he used a condom for anal sex, and thus was infected via oral sex  ::) 

Another person on that board says that Derrick had escort ads up months ago offering services a la BB for a surcharge... so non-immaculate of her!

Ah... she'll be joining us here soon.  She meets several qualifiers for AIDSmeds membership.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 08, 2010, 10:28:19 pm
Oh, did I mention that before he became a porn star he was a magician on cruise ships?  If you've ever taken a cruise you just know what I'm getting at in terms of the staff...

edit: oh, and Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation is now publicly calling Derrick a liar (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/derrick-burts-cameron-reed-derrick-chambers-porn-hiv-clinic-rebuttal.html).
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 08, 2010, 11:28:54 pm
I watched the interview of him here on Poz.com via The Times.  He says gay porn doesn't require HIV tests.  I know this has to be true of many of the smaller companies.  I would think companies like Falcon do testing, but not sure. 

How do these companies avoid lawsuits, if they aren't at least attempting to provide a safer working environment?  HIV testing should be mandatory and I'm surprised CA hasn't made this law for films produced there--which most are.   
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 08, 2010, 11:56:54 pm
Oh teddy, Falcon uses condoms for everything -- why do they need HIV testing for "a safer workplace" when it's safer than what most of these guys do off the set escorting and what not?  Do you want them to slap condoms on the actors for oral sex scenes too?  If not, why not?

extra credit:  now this (http://www.thesword.com/index.php/mixedmedia/4113.html) is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 12:23:38 am
What would constitute sexual harassment on a gay porn shoot?

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: poz1970 on December 09, 2010, 12:34:32 am
These guys are a good example that you cannot look at someone and tell they have HIV.  I think the HIV poz guy looks healthier than the HIV neg guy. 

He is gorgeous isn't he.. that smile! (James Roscoe)

J
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 09, 2010, 01:25:56 am
Oh teddy, Falcon uses condoms for everything -- why do they need HIV testing for "a safer workplace" when it's safer than what most of these guys do off the set escorting and what not?  Do you want them to slap condoms on the actors for oral sex scenes too?  If not, why not?

extra credit:  now this (http://www.thesword.com/index.php/mixedmedia/4113.html) is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.

I was just saying I'm surprised they don't all do HIV testing as a legal matter.  I could see the lawsuit now where the company is asked why they didn't do HIV testing.  I'm just surprised they don't have lawyers telling them they should do testing, so they could say they made every attempt to make sure the "actors" were protected--even the ones that do require condoms.  I realize many of today's films are done by some guy in his basement.  If what he says is true about the larger studios, I'm surprised they aren't trying to protect themselves legally from being accused of not providing a safer work place.  Someone mentioned here recently that companies go through the expense of drug testing not so much to weed out bad workers, but to protect themselves from lawsuits and to please insurance companies. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 09, 2010, 03:13:23 am
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-hiv-20101209,0,7615803.story?track=rss

"California Department of Public Health officials have notified the San Fernando-based health clinic that serves the porn industry that its application to operate as a community clinic has been denied, according to department officials..."

seriously...what the hell is going on here. looks like things are taking a dive from this shit storm. yet another article surfaces and this time it looks like this clinic will run into operating problems.

 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 09, 2010, 03:31:03 am
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/hiv-infected-porn-actor-how-many-more-times-does-this-have-to-happen.html

Burts, who performed in straight films as "Cameron Reid" and gay films as "Derek Chambers," said his agent urged him to pursue gay porn because it paid better. He said he performed in about five gay film shoots. He said he instructed his agent that he would never work with a performer who was HIV-positive and would always use condoms during intercourse in gay productions, something he said he reiterated on set.

just wonderful. the more i read about this the more conflicted im becoming. i still don't like this guy venting in this manner...i feel like he should take responsibility for his actions and line of work. im having a really hard time believing he caught hiv through oral sex and that nobody but AIM is disputing this.

more articles are at the bottom of each article.

also, does the paragraph below seem a bit ambiguous or is it just me. i was under the impression that poz actors could continue working in bareback fims and there was a notion of consent (TIM or Machofucker stuff) but not necessarily disclosure of other poz actors. kind of like serosorting on set for bareback performers. i believe there is even one serodiscordant couple that performs bareback as well. this whole situation just reeks...

"Although straight porn performers must show negative HIV test results before filming, the gay porn industry does not have the same restrictions. HIV-positive performers may continue working, although condom use is typically required." (taken from same article, link above)

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 09, 2010, 03:32:37 am
I just read on a blog that at a press conference this morning, Derek changed his story. He says he now thinks that he got HIV when a model ejaculated on his back and it leaked into his anus. 

ORLY?  I hope I can find a video of that presser. ::)

He also claims that even though he ran ads on rentboy he never actually escorted, though that claim was in an interview not the presser.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: elf on December 09, 2010, 03:59:30 am
I just hate when they use a fancy word model as if it were a Victoria Secret fashion show.  :D
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: WhySoUnfair on December 09, 2010, 04:14:13 am
"Although straight porn performers must show negative HIV test results before filming, the gay porn industry does not have the same restrictions. HIV-positive performers may continue working, although condom use is typically required." (taken from same article, link above)
This is so true, the very sexy fox Aiden Shaw has been poz since 1997 and he's still working for Falcon.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 09, 2010, 04:23:53 am
and i believe they asked him to come back (mr shaw) post diagnosis.

dude, life is riskly. i get that dude feels manipulated (remember, he was still paid) but he wasn't taken advantage of.

sorry, im having a hard time with this one. on one hand i get that he feels mislead. on the other im like dude, you were paid, you knew the risks. 4 stds later and now you're waging a vendetta?

how many more need to test positive? give me a break. the dude could have worked for fucking subway. as a matter of fact...he still can :)

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 09, 2010, 04:39:10 am
extra credit:  now this (http://www.thesword.com/index.php/mixedmedia/4113.html) is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.

His face looks haggard for a younger guy. I have had a thing for Jacob Slater since I first lay eyes on his savage fucks in safe porn, and since then he's looked quite strung out in a number of shoots and done bareback.  Its striking when you see this recorded on video over time. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 09, 2010, 04:47:26 am
sorry, im having a hard time with this one. on one hand i get that he feels mislead. on the other im like dude, you were paid, you knew the risks. 4 stds later and now you're waging a vendetta?

how many more need to test positive? give me a break. the dude could have worked for fucking subway. as a matter of fact...he still can :)


I think you are taking his reaction a bit more seriously than necessary. He's clearly a mixed up young guy and he just got a diagnosis.  You don't have to expect a thoughtful reaction.   
The last one we saw was Mason Wyler.  He owned up to it pretty well, especially considering some people in the business were throwing shit about it and he was outed HIV+ without his consent. Yet, reading his blog he seems really mixed up. 
I guess there are some together people working in porn, Im not saying they are all mixed up.  But based on this guys statements...
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 09, 2010, 04:49:50 am
I just hate when they use a fancy word model as if it were a Victoria Secret fashion show.  :D

A guy who poses for still photos is a model.  Even if its for porn.  Actors and actresses in porn films are actors and actresses.  What do prefer as titles?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 09, 2010, 05:00:13 am
I think you are taking his reaction a bit more seriously than necessary. He's clearly a mixed up young guy and he just got a diagnosis.  You don't have to expect a thoughtful reaction.  
The last one we saw was Mason Wyler.  He owned up to it pretty well, especially considering some people in the business were throwing shit about it and he was outed HIV+ without his consent. Yet, reading his blog he seems really mixed up.  
I guess there are some together people working in porn, Im not saying they are all mixed up.  But based on this guys statements...

if AIM and AHF weren't involved i probably wouldn't be so heated. they just denied AIM a license to continue providing services and there have been some pretty barbed comments back and forth between AIM and AHF. both provide services to the hiv community. it sucks that dude turned out poz and his reaction is whatever. the larger impact will be on other performers and changes to this industry.

ok, fine...you are right. i just love my porn dirty and i am a little peeved that dude is spouting off some pretty dubious shit and it's being echoed by the mainstream media. condoms are effective. oral sex is low risk. sero sorting is faith based at best :). with that said condoms are still a girl's best friend and those who don't use them or who engage in risky behavior...well, they've increased their risks. maybe his story should be some kind of cautionary tale.

you still get your props mecch.

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 09, 2010, 05:14:26 am
I agree its frustrating that agencies and media can't often do an accurate account of these things.

Its bugging me, similarly, that all the news media isn't reporting the true details of Julian Assange's sex crime arrest.  It I understand correctly, its about not using a condom in consensual sex.  How that becomes rape and sexual assault is beyond me!

Here's a clearer article - takes SF press to get it correct!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=78430
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 09, 2010, 06:07:16 am
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AIDS/hiv-actors-positive-test-unsettles-hub-us-porn/story?id=11892877&page=1

some studios have shut down. wow, and looks like some other talks are going on with OSHA as well. i wonder what's gonna come of this.

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 08:41:40 am
I haven't read anything this actor has said as particularly shocking. He was just diagnosed and because he is in the porn industry and this has become national news he is under pressure to deal with this publically. Is he being accurate about his sexual activity? Probably not. How many people on here have minimized their own role in their infection? He's not an HIV educator, he's just a guy.

There are valid concerns about whether the porn industry is doing enough to prevent transmission of STDs and workplace safety. Many of these companies have spent years trying to convince the public that porn is a professional, legitimate industry. Legitimate industries have to be concerned with workplace safety. I've always been very impressed with the brothels in Nevada, as they seems serious about STD transmission and have a good record.

A conflict that has been brought up on here before is that some gay people say they are committed to HIV prevention and that everyone needs to be using condoms but they still want their bareback porn. These actors may be serosorting, or they may not. I really don't know. I do see WAY more bareback porn movies advertised now than 10 years ago. Are all these guys HIV+? Unlikely. I assume that in straight porn many consumers don't want to see condoms either. So there is the unsavory realization that these actors may be exposing themselves to HIV and other STDs for money and we are paying to watch. Some may say that people are free to make their own choices, which is true, but why then tell people who are not in front of a camera to use condoms?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 11:13:45 am
Some may say that people are free to make their own choices,

That's the way I feel.  There are inherent risks to certain jobs. Coal miners, off shore oil rig workers,  skyscrapper window washers, porn actors all know the risks involved in these jobs but yet they choose to do them.

 
, but why then tell people who are not in front of a camera to use condoms?

That can be said about many things people are told to do to keep them safe but yet choose not to... seat belts, wearing helmets and such.  Maybe overly simplified, but we are all responsible for own actions and personal responsibility has to enter into choices made.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 11:44:38 am
That's the way I feel.  There are inherent risks to certain jobs. Coal miners, off shore oil rig workers,  skyscrapper window washers, porn actors all know the risks involved in these jobs but yet they choose to do them.

 
That can be said about many things people are told to do to keep them safe but yet choose not to... seat belts, wearing helmets and such.  Maybe overly simplified, but we are all responsible for own actions and personal responsibility has to enter into choices made.


If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

The problem I have with the "personal responsibility" argument, which many conservative Americans love to use (not saying you are conservative), is that it falsely presumes that we all start out with same resources and and participate on a level playing field. It is also minimizes that people are members of systems, both family and community, and that individual actions affect other people. Further it can be argued that if you are going to make an informed decision to have risky sex and that you take "personal responsibility" I, and the other members of society, should have no obligation to assist you with healthcare should you become infected: YOU made the choice to have unprotected sex, YOU must then pay for your own healthcare out of your own pocket and not by driving up the cost of group insurance, Medicare or Medicaid.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 12:01:06 pm
If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

Hmmm, that's a tough one for me.  But what I think is that morally/ethically no, however from a pure legal stand point you have fulfilled your responsibility.  In the end my personal responsiblity far out weighs that of another individual regardless of the amount of money involved.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: komnaes on December 09, 2010, 12:18:27 pm
If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

IMHO using money-as-an-inducement is never a good comparison in this sort of discussions. The only thing that is relevant is whether the other person knows the risk involved. As long as s/he knows the risk s/he can make a free choice, unless of course s/he is acting under duress. Of course it doesn't mean "you" in your example is acting responsibly, but so is this college student.

So that's why I often find it unproductive to use relative terms like "responsibility".. at the end it's all about knowledge (of the risk involve) and whether one has a choice.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 12:35:05 pm
Well in the instance of this particular person, he was fully aware of risks involved in his decisions and should take responsiblity for those choices.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 09, 2010, 12:39:58 pm
I can dig up a screen cap of his rentboy ad if you like -- the idea that he wasn't engaging in any "outside pursuits" is laughable, and the fact that the LA Times does shoddy reporting is even more amazing.

edit: woop, there it is (http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2010/12/aim_ahf_hiv_porn_actor.php)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 12:55:03 pm
IMHO using money-as-an-inducement is never a good comparison in this sort of discussions. The only thing that is relevant is whether the other person knows the risk involved. As long as s/he knows the risk s/he can make a free choice, unless of course s/he is acting under duress. Of course it doesn't mean "you" in your example is acting responsibly, but so is this college student.

So that's why I often find it unproductive to use relative terms like "responsibility".. at the end it's all about knowledge (of the risk involve) and whether one has a choice.

I used money in the scenario because actors are paid by studios to make movies. In the scenario both of us went into the arrangement with full knowledge: I fulfilled my obligation by disclosing that I had HIV, what I wanted him to do and how much I would pay. He made an informed decision with knowledge of the risks. There was no deception or coercion-- and don't say money is coercion otherwise every employee is being coerced. I don't go to my job just for fun. You are welcome to say there is nothing wrong with this scenario, I just won't agree with you.

Well in the instance of this particular person, he was fully aware of risks involved in his decisions and should take responsibility for those choices.

If he seroconverts he will have to take responsibility eventually. What about my responsibility? If there is nothing wrong should I continue hire people to have unprotected sex with me? That is really the point of this discussion. Do I, or the studios, have any obligation to prevent people from contracting an incurable, expensive disease?

I can dig up a screen cap of his rentboy ad if you like -- the idea that he wasn't engaging in any "outside pursuits" is laughable, and the fact that the LA Times does shoddy reporting is even more amazing.

edit: woop, there it is (http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2010/12/aim_ahf_hiv_porn_actor.php)

I'm sure that he was a complete failure as a hustler. NOBODY wanted him, or at least that is what he probably told the IRS.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: komnaes on December 09, 2010, 01:18:56 pm
You are welcome to say there is nothing wrong with this scenario, I just won't agree with you...

I think you have missed my point Ford.. i am just stating my opinion that it isn't very productive to put money in this equation of deciding who is or isn't "responsible", or who is to be held more (or less) "responsible". For me the only thing that is relevant is knowledge of risk, and when a choice is made with knowledge it's irrelevant whether it's fully or partially based on the money offered or just the thrill of sex, etc.

You can say that it's "wrong" or "irresponsible" for the studios to offer in the first place, but it'd not be incorrect IMO for someone else to insist that it's "wrong" and "irresponsible" for the actor to accept the offer. Then all that's left to argue is which "wrong" is "bigger" or more "irresponsible", which really doesn't take us any further because at it all depends the relative position that one wishes to take.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 01:31:03 pm
So you are saying both parties are wrong. Sorry, I did misunderstand.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 01:53:42 pm
IIf he seroconverts he will have to take responsibility eventually. What about my responsibility? If there is nothing wrong should I continue hire people to have unprotected sex with me? That is really the point of this discussion. Do I, or the studios, have any obligation to prevent people from contracting an incurable, expensive disease?

I really hadn't looked at it from the employer's responsibility, strictly on an individual's choice to participate.  I would say yes the employer should have an obligation in the area of prevention.  However we all know the number one goal of any for profit business is to make money and as long as producers see a way to do that they will, which for me with that fact in mind it comes back to the actors saying no I won't bareback.  I guess the only way to prevent this from happening is shut down the porn industry or reduce their product to solo performances only.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 02:08:56 pm
Now that's just crazy talk.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Jeff G on December 09, 2010, 02:12:53 pm
I have been around the edges of the porn world and I can only speak for what I have seen . All the producers I knew cared very much about the actors health even if it was from a good business point of view or on a personal level .

All the porn actors I know went looking for the gig and were not seduced into the business .
I believe if a HIV poz person wants to do porn and is truthful about his or her status then whats the big deal , its just good old fashioned sex with lighting and an audience .  
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 09, 2010, 02:30:28 pm
A country serious about occupational safety could block the sales of condomless porn.  But they couldnt stem the tides of illegally obtained bareback porn.

It seems to me the straight porn industry is doing a good job of protecting performers while still putting out condomless porn. Its seems to me that its quite rare that any transmission happens on American straight porn sets.  The transmission seems to happen in private life or in porn work in other countries.  

How many American studios produce gay bareback porn?  The ones that do, I guess they lay it on the line with actors.  Anyway, actors should take it upon themselves to assess the risk.  Maybe American gay porn should go through the same constant testing and database process that is in place for straight porn.  Then presumably, they could even sometimes go bareback with actors who consent, and still have some credibility for occupational safety.

Isnt it that most of the American gay porn fell inline with safesex rules at the end of the 80's, and the ones that have stuck to the "high road" should be commended. It would be interesting to know if they are hurting in profits with the bareback porn explosion.  

In Switzerland, the saunas and sex clubs will NOT show bareback porn, as they consider this confusing to clients.  The shops sell it of course.  And bareback action is readily available to the clients who want it.  

On the popular German and French cruise site, there are Eastern European escorts who advertise their bareback porn roles and yet advertise they do only safe sex escort work.  This makes sense cause I assume they serosort for the porn work and want to protect themselves when hustling with strangers.

There are a handful of bareback escorts of a certain age advertised working in Germany.  I wonder how they get away with it - Germany must have no criminal transmission laws?

Hustling seems to be rather uncontroversial among the young.  You can see guys all the time with profiles on the regular part of the site (cruising for sex) and occassionally with profiles on the escort part of the site. Seems like any reasonably attractive young guy can make some extra cash this way.  Certainly Europe is flooded with hung young guys from developing countries and they seem to make good money at it if they really put their "hearts" into it.  

I had a friend who hustled in NY in the late 80s when there was no Internet. It was all stand up and personal meet and greet at places like Rounds and Ninth Circle. What was cool was that he was very handsome and had a small dick and was quite successful.  Internet seems to make everything such a commodity now.  Boys are commodities and their attributes as well.  I guess that has its advantages and disadvantages.

Since so much of the world is now "accessible" its probably hard to made cut and dry judgments about how porn and hustling and sex clubs and all that, should be managed.  I guess the best thing is to do prevention campaigns that really allow people to make informed choices.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 02:43:51 pm
Now that's just crazy talk.

Ford I sincerely hope that you didn't brush aside my entire post as crazy and were referring to just the portion in which I said facetiously do away with the entire porn industry.  If you did brush off my entire post as crazy, then I will gracefully bow out of this discussion and take my crazy talk with me.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 09, 2010, 02:48:05 pm
I will gracefully bow out of this discussion and take my crazy talk with me.

Threatening to take your ball and go home... now THAT is just crazy talk.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 03:16:02 pm
Sorry Woodshere, I was only referencing your last comment about shutting down the porn industry, which is nether possible or desirable. I respect your comments and enjoy the discussion.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 03:34:17 pm
Sorry Woodshere, I was only referencing your last comment about shutting down the porn industry, which is nether possible or desirable. I respect your comments and enjoy the discussion.

Thanks... :)  And not sure what I would do without porn.  My current stash is starting to show its age!!!  And as much as I like the I LOVE PORN thread here it just don't get it!
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 05:37:48 pm
And as much as I like the I LOVE PORN thread here it just don't get it!

Someone needs to bump that thread. It is an AIDSmeds institution.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Granny60 on December 09, 2010, 09:40:45 pm
So let em sell all the porn they want, and at  the end have the star give a little message to be tested regularly and please practice safe sex to  prevent the spread of disease.  Who is that young  porn star that has the  just wrap it or what ever ads? They are pretty cool.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 09, 2010, 11:01:08 pm
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 09, 2010, 11:18:36 pm
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 

First of all, though this guy's name is just now surfacing in the mainstream press I've known who it was since topic first surfaced two months ago.  I don't think I stated it on this forum because it wasn't verified, and was 2nd hand info from another message board I read, and that person learned it from yet some other board.  I think Derrick Burts outed himself on that board and then quickly disappeared, then yanked down his escort ads and started saying he never escorted.  Someone had taken a screen cap though and it appears in various places on the internet now.

I can't believe that you're personally trying to phone him.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Granny60 on December 09, 2010, 11:27:11 pm
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 

If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 09, 2010, 11:45:59 pm
Ted, you actually called this guy to ask him the name of the movie where he says he became infected?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: woodshere on December 09, 2010, 11:50:23 pm
If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)

Take my word I have seen Ted in person, he by no means needs those services!!!  He puts this guy to shame!!!
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Rev. Moon on December 10, 2010, 12:00:23 am
Take my word I have seen Ted in person, he by no means needs those services!!!  He puts this guy to shame!!!

Tedderz could be in bidness himself.  He is just too nice for the seedy world of pornography.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Jeff G on December 10, 2010, 12:05:11 am
Tedderz could be in bidness himself.  He is just too nice for the seedy world of pornography.

Send him my unfinishing school for one week and I can unwhip him into a improper seedy young man .
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 10, 2010, 12:19:32 am
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  I can tell you if I had reached him, I probably would have just said I had the wrong number.  He is obviously going through a lot now and it would be tacky to ask him.  I was kidding when I said that.

Having said that, I have contacted others.  It is like the time abc news did a story about Paula Abdul and the contestant sex scandal.  They showed her number in some documents that flashed quickly across the screen.  So, I called it and it was her number.  Or, Elaine from Seinfeld was on Conan and showed her driver's license.  You could make out her address.  So, I wrote to her and she sent me an autograph.  Or, the time I looked for the set designer's name for "Will & Grace".  I liked the clock "Jack" had in his office.  I found her on FB and asked her where she got it.  She was very nice and told me to tell the shop she referred me.  No, I am not a stalker..lol.  I may have a hard time proving that in court, however.

Thanks Woods for those nice words.  I didn't realize, until recently, that our Woods was the same guy I had known for several years.  This is probably due to Woods not being on here much since I joined.  And, I hadn't seen many from Louisville, so I wasn't looking for it. 

Moon and others-- I think if I sent in photos to a porn company now, they would send them back marked "rejected".  Then, they would call me and just laugh in the phone.           
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Matty the Damned on December 10, 2010, 12:27:16 am
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  

Oh you're curious in more ways than just that, Theodora.

MtD
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 10, 2010, 12:33:13 am
thats for damn sure (referring to the post immediately above this).

so, you think the poz twink's lover will come out and spill the beans?

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 10, 2010, 06:09:07 am
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  I can tell you if I had reached him, I probably would have just said I had the wrong number.  He is obviously going through a lot now and it would be tacky to ask him.  I was kidding when I said that.

Having said that, I have contacted others.  It is like the time abc news did a story about Paula Abdul and the contestant sex scandal.  They showed her number in some documents that flashed quickly across the screen.  So, I called it and it was her number.  Or, Elaine from Seinfeld was on Conan and showed her driver's license.  You could make out her address.  So, I wrote to her and she sent me an autograph.  Or, the time I looked for the set designer's name for "Will & Grace".  I liked the clock "Jack" had in his office.  I found her on FB and asked her where she got it.  She was very nice and told me to tell the shop she referred me.  No, I am not a stalker..lol.  I may have a hard time proving that in court, however.

Thanks Woods for those nice words.  I didn't realize, until recently, that our Woods was the same guy I had known for several years.  This is probably due to Woods not being on here much since I joined.  And, I hadn't seen many from Louisville, so I wasn't looking for it. 

Moon and others-- I think if I sent in photos to a porn company now, they would send them back marked "rejected".  Then, they would call me and just laugh in the phone.           

Ted dear, that's all a little spooky but we know it's just harmless amusement in your case.  Right ???
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Dachshund on December 10, 2010, 06:19:04 am
If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)

Why pink David Granny?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 10, 2010, 08:12:35 pm
How Did Porn Star Derrick Burts Get HIV? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20101210/ts_dailybeast/11371_hivpositivepornstarderrickburtsgayforpay)

Interesting article -- and how dare those straight guys make money on the side fucking boybutt!
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 10, 2010, 10:22:28 pm
wow...you ever get the feeling the pot was calling the kettle black?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: aztecan on December 11, 2010, 10:02:25 am
The L.A. Times story said quoted him as admitting to having contracted
gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes in the months prior to his HIV diagnosis.

Me thinks he dost protest too much.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Rev. Moon on December 11, 2010, 02:57:51 pm
how dare those straight guys make money on the side fucking boybutt!

Good point.  I'm highly offended.  If a gay man did the opposite he'd probably be sued for product misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 12, 2010, 12:07:06 am
omg they've found us! (http://www.derekandrewhay.com/showthread.php?t=2666)
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 12, 2010, 12:49:57 am
omg they've found us! (http://www.derekandrewhay.com/showthread.php?t=2666)

The stuff you manage to find never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 12, 2010, 03:58:19 am
omg they've found us! (http://www.derekandrewhay.com/showthread.php?t=2666)

Wow, there is a lot of interest in us.  This is like the time I posted about a certain someone I knew and people on a famous tabloid website and other sites had our discussion posted.  They were discussing my health status and debating different aspects of it.   

It is sad that people felt the need to pull our discussion about this porn guy--not to discuss it intellectually, but to make fun of us and call us fags.  Sad!   
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 12, 2010, 04:53:16 am
Both forums seem to be saying at least on thing in common, however, that this young man probably got HIV from a man.  

I don't think any of us care what gender was the source of his infection.  (and some of us are irked by his assumed closet case status)  We dont appreciate his or the presses willingness to give credibility to his transmission story.  They don't appreciate that hes a dirty fag with the aids.

I read in another article about the porn business and this story that guys having sex with guys are 50 times more likely to have contact with an HIV+ partner than male-female sex.  Dunno if that true.  The haters in the pro porn forum have a point if they are angry that guys in straight porn are tricking out in the gay world, though its too easy to say its dirty fags who are the source of such contamination.  Its a real us and them mentality and too richly ironic that the US is double anal nightmare straight porn. Hahaha.

All you have to do is read that thread to understand that Burts would be much better off in this forum as a way forward.  Cause finally nobody (except the gf) probably cares if hes gay or straight or bi or HIV+, just that eventually he assumes his actions and identity and gets on with the next part of his life.

I still give Burts a pass on his stupid public announcements due to his age and the messy situation he so clearly is in.  It would make a nice comparison between our forum and that hate hole other one if the snark about Burts was delivered with a heart that eventually he can get it together.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 12, 2010, 05:37:37 am
Oh and I scanned a few different threads in that forum and there seems to be a vendetta against one porn "talent" agent who also, is is claimed, takes illegally high commissions and books the women as bareback escorts, which they must do in order to work in the films as well.  And  Burts girlfriend is posted on that website: http://www.theluxurycompanion.com/view.php?id=187&gender=female

Just saying it is a very messy messy world.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: next2u on December 12, 2010, 11:14:07 am
yeah miss p, how do you find this stuff :). imma gonna have to give you another crown for being a super snoop!

that other thread is vile and they hate on them some mr pete (who is my myspace bud btw).

haven't heard much else about dude's infection or what's going on in the porn industry. i live like 50 minutes away from that place. damn....

best,
d
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on December 14, 2010, 10:48:13 pm
A gay porn company is being criticized for promoting serodiscordant sex without condoms.

http://www.poz.com/articles/Treasure_Island_Media_1_19594.shtml
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: wtfimpoz on December 14, 2010, 10:55:52 pm
Isn't drawing the line at TIM's advertisement of a serodiscordant couple a bit like complaining that a blind man took to the freeway at 120 mph without a seatbelt?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 14, 2010, 11:31:59 pm
You probably want to link to the full article:
http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=5279

Brad McGuire is not a role model for anyone or any group.  
If in any way T.I.M. is suggesting otherwise, it's coocoo.

He should be seen as a fantasy character only.

Since he's HIV- and regularly films bareback orgies he can't be seen as someone who seriously protects his HIV- status. Its all calculated risk reduction, which may be thoughtful, and which millions seem to do as well, but its hardly a sure thing.   How many of the "rarer" or "surprise" transmissions result from such behaviours?  

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 14, 2010, 11:59:19 pm
"The two are a real-life, long-term, promiscuous, bareback couple," stated the company in a press release.

In the statement, which was dated October 27, Paul Morris, the studio's owner, spoke of demolishing "the HIV-positive closet" and said, "We know exactly what we're doing and we will not allow reactionary individuals and organizations to dictate our behavior. James and Brad are fitting role models for young gay men. They are living their lives with honesty and integrity."


Demolishing the HIV+ closet... fitting role models for young gay men... what a load of crap. These men can do whatever they want but this studio trying to spin serodiscordant sex as a noble, revolutionary action is just ridiculous.

Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: komnaes on December 15, 2010, 07:07:52 am
TIM is a fetish (silly in many ways, IMO) of its own kind so I guess no one will really take this self-importance spin seriously.

But back to McGuire I just can't get around the fact that he's still HIV-. Could he be one of those few very very lucky ones with the mutated genes and not telling us?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on December 15, 2010, 07:25:02 am
In my years I've met several HIV- bareback tops.
Also McGuire might be doing orgies with HIV+ guys who are mostly on HAART, reducing his risk. But, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on December 17, 2010, 10:10:45 am
Patient Zeta, Porn Agent Butt Heads on Polygraph Questions

http://newswire.xbiz.com/view.php?id=128535
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on February 19, 2011, 12:58:01 pm
I find this wildly disturbing.

SHOCK CLAIM: LA County Official Goes To Gay Performer's Home Asking For Blood (http://thesword.com/index.php/all-stories/42-depts/4245-shock-claim-la-county-official-goes-to-gay-performers-home-asking-for-blood.html)

Wednesday, 16 February 2011 18:31

In an apparent attempt to isolate how gay porn performer Derrick Burts (a.k.a. Patient Zeta) became infected with HIV last October, LA County Health Department officials are now showing up at the homes of adult models and asking for blood samples.

That's what one gay porn star tells The Sword, who has asked to remain anonymous. In an interview earlier today, the HIV-positive performer (who is hereafter referred to as "Joe") claims that a female clinical services coordinator sent by LA County knocked on his door Monday asking for personal health information, and blood.

"She asked if she could come in and if I had a moment to speak, and I said OK. It was just a total surprise. I mean, I'm still dealing with becoming positive six months ago, and now this? It's just ridiculous," says Joe. "She asked if I'd be willing to give a blood sample to LA County and if I'd be willing to cooperate, and I was like, 'no!' They didn't have a subpoena or anything. I'm not going to just put myself out there and not know what someone is going to do with the information."

Though the clinical services coordinator would not confirm or deny to Joe that her inquiry was part of the ongoing Derrick Burts investigation, sources tell The Sword that LA County has been actively hunting down anyone and everyone associated with Burts, from co-stars and friends to agents and studios. In fact, The Sword can confirm that two health department officials attended last week's Cybersocket Awards in West Hollywood, seeking out those who had associated with Burts.

Last September, Joe was scheduled to shoot a scene with Burts in Florida, but that scene was canceled hours before call time when Joe's HIV test came back positive. He explains, "I was supposed to shoot with him I think, but honestly I can't remember. I've worked with so many guys. I don't even know the kid. He obviously gave [LA County] my name, but it doesn't even make sense because we didn't end up shooting together. This fuckin' kid...he doesn’t even know his own situation. I’ve heard him say tons of things that are completely false."

Derrick Burts' public statements have indeed been confusing, at best. He told the LA Times that he believed he acquired the virus on a gay porn set in Florida from a "known positive" and had never had gay sex off camera; within hours his Rentboy profile surfaced. He first opined that he became infected after oral sex; later he theorized that it happened after a co-star ejaculated on to his back and semen dripped into his anus. That a young and undoubtedly scared man has put forth contradictory statements while coming to grips with a life-altering medical condition is not surprising. What is surprising? That a state agency has purportedly been roped into a wild goose chase predicated on his emotionally charged and conflicting stories.

"Even if [LA County] finds out I'm positive, what does that matter? I didn't give it to him. And whoever did give it to him doesn't matter either; it's not like they can be stopped from working," Joe tells The Sword. "There are so many models working today who are positive, and it's up to the studios whether or not to use us or who to pair us with. It's up to the other models who aren't positive, too. Some don't care about working with a positive performer, some do. The point is, we’re here, and there's a lot of us, and we’re not gonna go anywhere. We’re not just gonna leave on the drop of a dime because some kid is trying to blame everyone in the world for what happened to him. We’re in the industry and this is our job, and we do the best that we can. We do the best that we can."

This morning, Joe says the clinical services coordinator called him on the phone, asking again if he'd be willing to cooperate with a county doctor and give a blood sample.

"Again, I told her 'no!' It’s an invastion of privacy. It’s none of their business. I'm just trying to live my life. If they want to get a subpoena, then fine. They can give it to my doctor and he can turn over my records. Until then, just leave me the fuck alone."
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: GSOgymrat on February 19, 2011, 01:56:47 pm
What exactly is this agency hoping to find? This makes no sense to me. I'm glad "Joe" didn't cooperate.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Hellraiser on February 19, 2011, 02:16:16 pm
What exactly is this agency hoping to find? This makes no sense to me. I'm glad "Joe" didn't cooperate.

Being uncooperative in the face of unnecessary government interference is hot.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on February 20, 2011, 11:43:25 pm
It would seem they are going to examine the strains of HIV in Burts and all the people he points the finger at to see if they share the same strain?  I've read this is scientifically possible to do now, right?  I remember those women on Oprah did this.  But, again, what would it prove?  He may possibly know which performer he got it from?  Or, who he gave it to?  Who is to say he wasn't the one who gave it to whomever they would find. 

I was recently reading how some LA lawmakers are proposing to make condoms required.  Could this be part of their "evidence" to use in pushing for mandated condom use to show he was infected during a porn shoot and not from outside activities?  Is Burts trying to prove he got it from a porn shoot, so he could file a lawsuit claiming the company put his health at risk and didn't take all reasonable precautions?  It would seem unlikely that the health dept would assist him in filing a lawsuit, but maybe they would if they are pushing for required condom use--which would probably lead to pushing for a state law.  The health dept would get what they needed from the info and Burts could also use that info to possibly file a lawsuit. 

A big question would be whether the health dept could get a judge to force these people to give blood samples.   
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: Miss Philicia on February 20, 2011, 11:53:15 pm
Jebus Teddy, have you even been following what's been going on?
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: drewm on February 20, 2011, 11:59:10 pm
Just a thought, if they pass a law mandating condoms in porns, the price of barebacking porn will go through the roof. It's a win for the undergound porn industry.
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: tednlou2 on February 21, 2011, 12:28:12 am
Jebus Teddy, have you even been following what's been going on?

Don't take the baby Jebus' name in vain..lol.  I don't know.  Did I say what was already very obvious to everyone, or am I way off the mark?  Both are always a possibility with me logging online always so late. 
Title: Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
Post by: mecch on February 26, 2011, 06:03:50 am
I am sure the actors sign a consent that they know the work involves some risk of STD.
If they don't sign such a consent, transmission of HIV would seem to be a valid legal pursuit for a workplace related injury.  We shouldn't forget that porn is work for these people and the industry needs to provide safe working conditions.

That said, anyone working in that industry should personally accept the small risk of STDs, and also must make personal peace with his own decision about when or when not to have protected sex. 

Just because a boss tells you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge doesn't mean you should do so, and then later make a lawsuit for reckless endangerment.  You be dead anyway.