Yes and Im certain the gulf oil spill is the responsibility of tina snorting HIV+ gays in the Mineral and Mines.
Damn those pozzies they are ruining the world.
Look, I am a bit nervous about Openly Gay Men in the military but maybe that is the way I was brainwashed. I would just like to see it happen and see if the military will fall apart or just learn to cope with a population that have the govt backing. As a former sailor, if I had to worry about someone sucking my dick while I was asleep, not that i wouldn't want that, I would wear an alarm or tighter underwear to prevent it. I believe the only thing stopping the Openly Gay policy is fear of the unknown or fear that enlistment will drop. Or it's a matter of pride to protect what has always been. However, we must fight for "Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring?when we let it ring from every village and every town, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all human kind?gay men and stright men, Bis and Transvitites , Queers and Steers?will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the what has to be: "Free to join! Free to serve for the military as we are! It's about time but, we are getting our right to be counted as a real member of this society!"
I seriously doubt anyone would WANT to suck you off, asleep or not.Not hetero, Homo, and I was just pointing out what they will say to keep Gays out of the military.
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Apparently, you are one of those heterosexuals that think all homosexuals are rapists.
Not hetero, Homo, and I was just pointing out what they will say to keep Gays out of the military.
P.S. I have been. ;)
Ah, sorry didn't recognize the sarcasm... Should have!No Problem...
Time for some of the young ones around here to stand up, get involved, and get angry.
Time for some of the young ones around here to stand up, get involved, and get angry.
Time for some of the young ones around here to stand up, get involved, and get angry.
Look, I am a bit nervous about Openly Gay Men in the military but maybe that is the way I was brainwashed. I would just like to see it happen and see if the military will fall apart or just learn to cope with a population that have the govt backing.
PS: I promise if the draft were reinstated they wouldn't use homosexuality as a disqualifier because every guy who wanted out would just say they were gay. I was just WAITING for the bush administration to start drafting for the Iraq and Afghan wars just to see that particular turn of play.
Thanks, Moff, well worth repeating.Sorry I meant Openly Gay... Does the British or Australian Military have openingly recurits?
Eh? I hope you were being "sarcastic" here too. Gay men have served in the military since ... year dot ... and the military hasn't fallen apart. If gay men - and women - can be open about who they are, it's only going to strengthen the military and it's about high time people realised that. It's a no-brainer - well, when you have some brains in the first place, I guess. :o
Does the British or Australian Military have openingly recurits?
Sorry I meant Openly Gay... Does the British or Australian Military have openingly recurits?
Look, I am a bit nervous about Openly Gay Men in the military but maybe that is the way I was brainwashed.
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative if the republicans played their cards right and made gay marriage legal, went for universal healthcare, and repealed all these homophobic laws they could probably pick up more gay votes than they could shake a stick at. They just can't shake that fundamental christian tree, can they?
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative if the republicans played their cards right and made gay marriage legal, went for universal healthcare, and repealed all these homophobic laws they could probably pick up more gay votes than they could shake a stick at. They just can't shake that fundamental christian tree, can they?
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative if the republicans played their cards right and made gay marriage legal, went for universal healthcare, and repealed all these homophobic laws they could probably pick up more gay votes than they could shake a stick at. They just can't shake that fundamental christian tree, can they?
Oh dear, I realize you are Gay, but where the hell did this thought train come from.My thought process came from seeing military doing everything they Can to hurt, humiliate, and fuck over anyone who was considered gay. There was one male couple who were caught having sex on the USS Kitty Hawk. Once they were let out of the brig, they we isolated from all contact from fellow sailors for fear of association, until they were allowed off the ship and kick-out of the Navy. This was probably supported and enforced by the Command. It is not my personal belief that there can't be Openly Gay men in the Military, I hope it will happen but when I was there in 1980, there was a strong bias against anyone looking, acting, or suspected of being gay. I myself was suspected to be gay and was ostracised by fellow sailors for a short time. But if what happend in the other contries are true, then I have hope that one day DADT will become a thing of the dismal past.
when I was there in 1980, there was a strong bias against anyone looking, acting, or suspected of being gay.
I always find that repubs are skitzo. They talk about freedom and the gov't staying out of our lives. Yet, they want to be in our lives the most. Most of them hated when the Supreme Court ruled the laws about anal sex were unconstitional. Reagan ran up the debt more than all other presidents combined. We know how Dubya doubled the debt. Clinton had balanced the budget and was paying down the debt. He left a huge surplus.So, I don't know what the repubs actually stand for these days. I think they are all like Sarah--just catch phrases and slogans. No substance.
Dear, you're only fiscally conservate if it pertains to others. If it pertains to you, not so much. Sorta like a tea bagger.
Well yeah, because if a person was gay, they'd be kicked out. If one could be openly gay with no such repercussions, the "strong bias" would end. See how that works?Sweetheart, Back then there was no DADT. Actually, expect if caught in the act, the Navy didn't do much. You just got harassed, or ignored by fellow sailors. And you'd make your own friends with people you trusted and liked you. But I wish I was in the Navy if that "Strong Bias" did not exist. I would of had a great sex life in there. I mean it would have been an orgy every weekend, if not everyday. A man in CrackerJacks is a turn on for me.
Sweetheart
There was an old joke (I'm horrible at telling jokes, so if anyone else has heard this..): One day a young man was drafted into the war. He really didn't want to go, so when he reported to the office he told the lead officer during the physical examination that he was gay, a pacifist and flat-footed. "So am I. Unfortunately for both of us that doesn't work during the draft - NEXT!" :)There was another old joke in 1981 told to me by a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy where a Sailor wanted out of the Navy and decided to tell the Navy Commander in charge that he was gay. The Commander said "OK," and asked the sailor to drop his pants and turn around. The sailor did as ordered. At this time the Commander just watched the sailor ass. The Sailor got nervous, pulled up his pants and left the office. This was, and it was before DADT, to let us Sailors know that saying you're Gay is not the way to get out of the Navy, for the Commander or whom ever will embarrass you and may fuck your ass. But I always wonder what if they did fucked and enjoyed it. It sounded more like and incentive to me. lol
Darling, I'm no sweetheart. ;)OK Beautiful ;)
OK Beautiful ;)
Darling, I'm no sweetheart. ;)
Well now you're just wrong
Guess you know Paul Cadmus's famous canvas: The Fleet's InNice Painting... Ahh the good old days.
(http://militarytimes.com/blogs/scoopdeck/files/2009/09/the-fleets-in.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cadmus
In 1934 he painted The Fleet's In! while working for the Public Works of Art Project of the WPA. This painting, featuring carousing sailors, women, and a homosexual couple, was the subject of a public outcry and was removed from exhibition at the Corcoran Gallery. The publicity helped to launch his career. He worked in commercial illustration as well, but Jared French, another tempera artist who befriended him and became his lover for a time, convinced him to devote himself completely to fine art.[1]
THE PAINTING IS ON DISPLAY IN THE NATIONAL NAVY ART GALLERY - so yeah it seems no big deal as long as it isn't publically a big deal, as it is these days, because we have to dismantle DADT. Well, you have to break some eggs to make an omelete. Can't happen fast enough.
Nice Painting... Ahh the good old days.
I personally feel things have gotten MORE conservative and backwards... :-\
Than in the 1930s?
Well, let's see - up until 1937 pot was legal... Homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal.. Yeah, I'd say so.
Ok pot being legal I can dig, but I think you need to back up the assertion "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" with some evidence.
Such as?
I dunno boy. You're making the assertion, the onus of proof rests with you.
Understood, but what do you consider "proof"?
Something must have made you draw the conclusion that "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" in the 1930s.
What was that something?
I personally feel things have gotten MORE conservative and backwards... :-\
Well, I have heard several military guys state that up until DADT and all of the fervor raised over it that homosexuality in the military was not a big deal at all - and know of 2 friends of my father that were homosexual and grew-up in the same time period (he was born in 1937 also)... And it simply wasn't publicly discussed one way or the other, for or against.Well, let's not forget Oscar Wilde, the famous author. In his time, being Gay was a crime and one could be sent to jail, which is no picnic. I like to think of the good old days also, but let's not forget of the social, economical, gender, race, creed and color issues. It is not like the movies or plays my dear. If you lived in those times, you may find yourself downtrodden or invisible. Depending on what social status and country you were born into, life was either a bowl of cherries or definitely not a bed of roses. Although, it must be said that much has changed, some for the better and some for the worst.
Well, I have heard several military guys state that up until DADT and all of the fervor raised over it that homosexuality in the military was not a big deal at all - and know of 2 friends of my father that were homosexual and grew-up in the same time period (he was born in 1937 also)... And it simply wasn't publicly discussed one way or the other, for or against.
Well, let's not forget Oscar Wilde, the famous author. In his time, being Gay was a crime and one could be sent to jail, which is no picnic.
Oscar Wilde was also a pedophile that liked 12-year-old boys....
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Again evidence? And this time it better be something more than what your Pa told you when you was a young 'un in Crow's Ass Indiana.
MtD
Um, duh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde
He hung-out with a child ("Bosie" aka little Lord Douglas), introduced him to what is now called "rent-boys" and is also believed to have sodomized him & participated in orgies with him.
Got that, "city-slicker"? Even us "dumb hicks from Indiana" know that isn't right...
Oscar Wilde was also a pedophile that liked 12-year-old boys....
They certainly did indulge in orgies and employ male prostitutes, who in England are commonly known as "rent boys". The term "rent boy" does not refer to prepubescent youths, as you erroneously assume.
that is some bullshit. Evidently you have not read 'De Profundis.'
Allegations during the trial for the sodomy charges stated many of them WERE underage.
Wilde's version.
??? How did this thread get so off track? If you guys want to dish it out and spam eachother, make another thread or get married or something. :D
Agreed... His fan-club is going to refute any charges ever made against him, and accept no evidence that doesn't come from Oscar himself.
You haven't presented any evidence, boy. You might wanna git yerself some more of that book learnin' afore you shoot yer piehole off in future.
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MtD
Yessa, massa, youse issa right... All of ussa people notta from you city izza rednecks... ::)
You have yet to show any evidence that his tricks weren't underage either - and that is the first time I have ever heard he met met "Bosie" at 22, not the age that Lord Douglas' father stated at all.. It's become kind of a pointless discussion on both sides.
I don't have to show you a fucking thing.
Everything I've stated regarding Oscar in this thread I know to be a stone cold motherfucking fact. Don't believe me? Google what I've said. See if I'm wrong. I'll suck William Shatner's dick before an audience of rattlesnake handling pentecostal Christians if I am.And for the record I relied on sources other than the Wiki.
MtD
Oh, you were there? You know it to be fact firsthand?
And what would those sources be, other than Oscar's works?
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