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HIV Prevention and Testing => Do I Have HIV? => Topic started by: RemorseGuy on May 02, 2007, 11:54:21 am
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Dear All,
On Feb 17, 2007, I had both protected & unprotected oral for 2 days consecutively & vaginal sex with the same prostitute. We performed oral sex on both & the unprotected was about 5 min then I put on the condom.
I can’t recall whether I had consumed her vaginal fluids as I tried not to swallow it, perhaps some of it. I was 1/2 erect & the sex was about 15 min. I ejaculated but the condom slipped off due to the ½ erection. The next day, I felt my body was chill (fever like. 5 days later I went to get to test my blood/urine & the HIV resulted “non-reactive”, surprisingly the Dr. confirmed that my body temperature is normal though I felt I was having fever. I felt relief for awhile but then I came to know about the window period is about 3-6 months, I freaked out again. i am still having the chillness of my body till now. i got tested for HIV test on the Feb 22, April 2 & recently on April 30... resulted all negative. i plan to perform another test on May 30 or June 1, 2007. symptoms encountered are, chillness, dizziness or mild headache that last for 2 weeks, backpain, mild sore throat & nose blocked. all are gone now, except the chillness. i came to know that symptoms that due to any ARS will only come 5 - 2 weeks time. However, my chilly sensation came right on the next day i encountered sex.
1. Why was my body felt chill when im not having fever though I felt like having fever. can it be due to symptoms of sinusitus/bronchitis? coz' my dr. suspected my sinus that causes me the chilly sensation. is this also called, mild fever?
2. Based on my sex experience above, do you think it’s on the high risk of getting the HIV?
3. Besides the abovementioned I have no other symptoms. Can I rely on the test result & take it as good (non-reactive) OR shall I retest again after 3-6 months?
4. Was the HIV test performed too early i.e, on Feb 22, April 2 & recently on April 30, 2007? (10 weeks+)
5. what is the chances of me affected with HIV, if she is HIV+? ( i hope not)
Your reply is much appreciated & thank-you very much.
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Guy, giving oral in the circumstances you describe was not a risk for HIV transmission. Your mouth and tongue would not have been reaching the cervical fluids which are the ones which could potentially have HIV, IF the women you were with were indeed HIV+, which I hasten to remind you that you don't for sure.
The main issue in what you have reported is when the condom came off. If it came off during intercourse because you weren't completely hard then there was a low level risk since the condom protected you until it came off. If it came off when you were withdrawing then you were NOT at risk during intercourse.
HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. It's signifcantly harder to accomplish from female to male. Given that you have already tested negative at 10 weeks, the likelihood is you will continue to test negative at 13 weeks. The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number will seroconvert within 4-6 weeks after an exposure.
As to your symptoms, if they persist you should disucss them with your doctor. There is nothing in any way HIV specific about any of them.
I expect you to come out of this ok.
Cheers,
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Thank-you very much Andy for your quick response.
another question is that... when i read through the postings here, i noticed something about the result & it takes 1-2 weeks? mine is different when the result came out just 1-2 hours. how can this be? well, i got tested in 2 specialist medical centers & i was unsure if the test were ELISA or something else? oh yes, i forgot to mention something, i received 2 hepatitis vaccine of 1 in feb (right after i got tested HIV with non-reactive result) & another 1 was on April 4. could the hepatitis B vaccine intercepted my non-reactive results thus reported a false negative?
Oh My God!!!!!! i am totally regret what ive done to myself. day by day i am freaking out. though my test results were all non-reactive/negative.
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Getting your results back early on means the lab wasn't busy.
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Your test result was a valid one.
Rod might be right that they just weren't busy. But they may also have used the Quick test which can yield a result very quickly and is also an approved test.
Either way give it and let go of this concern. You're HIV negative. Get on with your life. No kidding.
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Thank-you very much once again for the replies.....
another thing is, were there any cases whereby, tested at 10 weeks negative & later positive? can i take it as good that i am not infected with hiv by looking at all of my results?
anybody had a similar cases currently i am having of having the chilly sensation?
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It is VERY rare for that to happen. Most people will develop antibodies no later than 6 WEEKS after the exposure.
Personally I would take you 10 week as an all clear based on what you described.
Move on. Hope to never see you here again for all the right reasons!
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Chilly sensations, shmilly sensations.
You're HIV negative. Period. End of story.
If you have any further troubling symptoms you should discuss them with your doctor.
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Dear All,
Appreciate your views on this matter.
what is the chances of HIV infection by having an UNPROTECTED HETEROSEXUAL anal sex with a negative partner?
Thank-you very much.
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You can't get HIV from someone who is HIV negative. Period. End of story.
However, in general you should not be having unprotected intercourse with anyone until if and when you are in securely monogamous relationship in which both partners have tested negative together at a reliable testing point.
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Remorse,
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.
If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.
Please also read through the Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.
Ann
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im sorry to say i am back again with questions. as u all knew, i got tested & it came back negative on the 10th weeks from my 1st time i engaged sex.
oh! man... i just dont know why i am still worried. whenever i swith on tv i found something which is HIV & AIDS program, in other words, its like something is telling me that i am inffected. anyhow i will go to complete my 13 weeks which i plan to do it on June 4, 2007. which is to be more than 3 months & 15 weeks.
some dr. says, my 10 weeks is more than conclusive that I AM NOT INFECTED due to the virus will show its presence not more than 6 weeks.
my symptoms are all gone now.
Ann, Andy & Rapid... are u guys HIV+, if yes... how long does it take to detect the HIV?
Im sorry to ask....
thank-you very much.
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Remorse,
Since you never had a risk for HIV infection your doctor is quite correct. Your 10 week result is conclusive. You don't have HIV.
For people who've had a risk the window period is 13 weeks. This does not apply to you as you didn't have a risk.
Ya dig?
MtD
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thanx matty for your quick responce.
i forgot to mention, right after 5 days that i had sex, my dr. advised me to take 3 dosage of hepatitis B vaccine & now i already took 2. final will be this coming november.
my question is, any possibilities that the vaccine could intercept my HIV result which resulted negative on the 10th weeks?
thank-you very much.
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It will not interfere with your test results.
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As usual Roddles is 100% spot on. The Hepatitis B vaccine will not affect the validity of an HIV antibody test result.
MtD
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frens...
is true that, our saliva would have kill the HIV virus & the virus cant live outside our body? is that why oral sex is low/zero risk?
oh man.. i am still having chily sensation on & off now :'(.
i am so blurr with dont know what to do, except to perform another test & this time its more than 3 months, 15 weeks. ???
please help..
thank-you very much.
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Saliva has 12 known enzymes that break down the HIV virus. The mouth is a very inhospitable place.
You did not have a risk for HIV infection AND you have tested negative. You are good to go. I'd talk to your doctor about the chills.
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Just because your mind keeps scaring you otherwise doesn't change the HIV science-based reality of your situation. You were never at risk in this incident, your 10 week test confirmed that and there's absolutely no basis in fact for further concern. Period. End of story.
Your chills or whatever may be anxiety-related but go ahead and check that out with your doctor.
This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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Hi All...
I am back again but this time with a BIG HUGE :). I went to test again today @ 15 weeks after the exposure & it came back NEGATIVE. This time I went to a different Specialist centre (just to get a second opinion). However, the nurse told me the test is just a normal antibody test & it was not an ELISA. The dr. confirmed that the test is reliable & it as good as ELISA but he mentioned something that to be rest assured, 6 months is the MOST conclusive.
HHHhHhHmMmMmmmm... Some says, 6 weeks, 8 weeks, 13 weeks & 6 months... which are the most accurate?
Below are the tests performed with different hospitals after the exposure.
5 days - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist A)
6 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist B)
10 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist B)
15 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist C)
All the above were not an ELISA. Which I don’t know what was it & the result received on the same day which I took the test.
Nevertheless, I promised to myself that I will NEVER EVER committed adultery. Enough is enough!! I wanna stay healthy all the time.
So, can I close my case here & take the test result as good?
Thank-you very much all..
P/s: if there is a gathering for this group, I would like to attend & meet u all........ :-*
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Your doctor needs to get with the program. You don't need a 6 month test, you are conclusively negative.
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hello guys....
i am back with questions again.
i started to fell my dizziness again, chillness occasionally. now, i am back to what i was last 3 months. I AM WORRIED!!!!! tested negative at 15 weeks. it makes me want to re-test at the 4 months.
guys with HIV+, please... please... please... did u guys experienced dizziness/chillness before?.
dizziness & headache are 2 different things, rite?
Thank-you very much.
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You're negative, see you doctor for your symptoms instead of posting on a website.
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Your 15 week test is conclusive because you never had a risk for HIV in the first place.
You don't have HIV.
You can test all you want, the results won't change. Similarly you can post all you want, our answers won't change.
You don't have HIV.
Are you getting the message?
If not, you should probably read the Welcome Thread. (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) Not only does it contain links to our testing and transmission lessons but also our posting guidelines.
The guidelines say that those who question conclusively negative test results (such as you) can be given a time out. A time out is an opportunity for you to seek the help of a mental health professional regarding your unfounded fears about HIV infection.
You should probably seek that help before you're timed out.
MtD
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Remorse, you've been told repeatedly that you 1) weren't at risk and 2) that your negative HIV test result is reliable.
Coming back here again and again with your latest symptoms isn't going to change any of that. When you have troublesome symptoms you should discuss them with your doctor.
If you are still worried then maybe it's time to see a mental health specialist to discuss why you are clinging on to this totally unwarranted concern.
You need to know that you're getting very close to being given a time out here for 30 days, which is what we do when someone continues to ask the same kind of question over and over again. Your situation is about anxiety and not a real HIV risk. Period. End of story.
Instead of coming back here to ask irrelevant questions such as what other people's symptoms may have been, get yourself some help in the appropriate setting.
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All,
1st & foremost, i apologize for my presence here again. i decided to perform another HIV test today & waiting for the result. y i did that? coz' i am still having symptoms... dizziness. prior to me 1st encountered with a CSW. dizziness just cant go away... its been 5 months by now.
allow me to update my result soonest. in my opinion, the info is beneficiary to some of us here who had tested negative at 3 months & turn out to be positive later.
Thank-you very much.
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Result received. NON-REACTIVE @ NEGATIVE.
nevertheless, i am going for a FINAL test end of August 07 to complete the 6 months period.
Thank-you very much.
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RemorseGuy, 3 month result was conclusive.
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Remorse,
Go see your doctor about your dizzyness. There are other illnesses in the world besides hiv. Hiv is the one thing we know - WITHOUT DOUBT - that you do NOT have.
You are hiv negative and it's high time you started looking for the REAL cause of your dizzyness. Whatever it is, it ain't hiv!
Ann
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All,
what is a risk by performing cunnilingus, sucking nipples & handjobs? well, just did it today with my new girlfrend. NO vaginal/anal penetration & no blowjob on me were involved. i didnt allowed her to perform an oral sex on me, only i did on her... however there was no vaginal fluids coming out due to it was not a deep cunnilingus (just outside her vagina's lips) & mild rubbing. She confessed to me, she used to have sex with several partners before.
i just dont know where to look but here & what to say.....
latest symptoms, rashes on my back body + 2 pimple likes.
ive talked to a dr. & told him everything. showed to him my recent HIV tests & showed him the rashes on body. he mentioned, "in your case, let us wait till u complete the 6 months".... here i go again. im freaking out.
my 6 months will be completed by this end of august 07.
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Zero.
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All,
im sorry to post again my results.
5 days - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist A)
6 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist B)
10 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist B)
15 weeks - NEGATIVE HIV 1 & 2 (Specialist C)
well i just performed at 6 months HIV 1 & 2 test today. i shall post the result soonest. i dont know y i m feel so scared of the result to be turned positive. i am still having the symptoms ie, dizziness. the truth is i am very very very scared, gosh!!! i really cant get rid of the this matter from my mind starting from feb' 07 till todate.
27 weeks (completed 6 months in Specialist C ). - hopefully will the final HIV test for me.
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Remo,
Your fifteen week test was conclusive. You don't need further testing and your six month result will also be negative.
That's because you ARE hiv negative. You do NOT have hiv.
You ARE, however, still under a time out warning. Read the forum posting guidelines as well as your whole thread if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Ann
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I apologized for that matter & i mean no harm.
Result received & it was non-reactive @ negative. So, i've completed 6 months windows period.
Thank-you very much.
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pls do not ban me or whatsoever.
ive read a few posts here, somebody had similar as i am. i just dont know y, i cant get rid of HIV things out of my mind till now due to several symptoms. ive completed my 6 months window period, in fact more than 6 months though. i plan to perform another test next month. some dr. here ive talked was telling me.. some cases, the HIV period could take as long as 12 months, 1 year. oh God! now im very very terrified.
could somebody explain to me briefly about the HIV 1 & 2 test? whats the differences between these 2?
thank-you very much.
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Remorse,
If you want to learn more about the tests, then you need to read that Welcome Thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=220.0) we're always banging on about and read the Lessons linked to there.
While you're there, make sure you read the posting guidelines, particularly the one that says:
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
You ARE hiv negative and it's not our job to deal with the underlying reasons why you cannot accept your negative status. Please find yourself a counselor or therapist to learn how to cope with being hiv negative. I know, it's difficult.
I'm giving you that time out I've warned you about and it will be for four weeks. Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, I will know and you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.
You ARE hiv negative. The window period is three months. You couldn't be more hiv negative if you tried. It's time you moved on with your life, with the help of counseling if necessary. We cannot help you with that here.
Ann
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I am here again after been while away... i was given a timed out. however, i am begging the mod here not to ban me here.
y m i still worrying? nonetheless... the symptoms. i am still having dizziness since my last exposure above (february 07) till now... & its coming to a year.
i drew my blood almost everymonths just to ensure i am a free HIV infection. i even took the HEP B vaccines (3x) & a FLU vaccine. i am afraid, the vaccines taken could had interfere with my HIV test which came back all non-reactive.
i called our local AIDS centre & they said, 3 months aren't conclusive enough... to be certain it should be 6 months & sometimes it could take as long as 12 months. hhmmmm... my dizziness is killing me, i feel unbalance. last i got tested at the 8 months after the exposure.
pls advice & thank-you very much.
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Leave the forum Troll. I can see you didn't learn anything on your Time Out.
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I have to agree with Rodney....although you received some very bad advice from your HIV clinic. Back in the day of the early generation tests, 6 months was the old window period - 12 months to make sure. Now we down to 13 weeks as the newer tests are much more specific. What you were told was correct in the early 90s, and not correct now. 13 weeks is enough to test negative.
It sounds like every semi-sexual encounter you have makes you think of HIV....even when there isn't a risk. So I STRONGLY suggest you get some professional mental health help with that - it's not normal. There are plenty of responsible people having their first sexual encounters and not all of them are on this forum posting that they have HIV.
I do agree with Rodney and the usefulness of this forum has expired for you. You have broken one of the rules in the welcome thread and consistently post about HIV even though you have conclusively tested negative. This forum can no longer be your emotional crutch and you should look to one-on-one personal help. I would advocate that you be banned from this forum for your own good.
Sorry to sound harsh, but I honestly think it is best for you even though you won't agree.
R
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very well then. i apologized for breaking the rules. again, i mean no harm. i am lost. i dont know what to do & thats y i posted again.
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I STRONGLY suggest you get some professional mental health help with that - it's not normal. This forum can no longer be your emotional crutch and you should look to one-on-one personal help.
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RG,
If you insist on continuing to post over your conclusively negative hiv status, you will be given another time out - for 56 days this time.
Please consider yourself warned.
Ann
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Dear All,
I am back again. I knew previously I was given timed-out due to repeatedly posting the same queries. But somehow, the hiv infection seems never go away from my mind. Last 6 weeks I had another protected vaginal, sucking her nipples & unprotected oral (mutually for less than 5 minutes) sex encounter with the same prostitute for 2 days & the sex was about ½ an hour & I didn’t ejaculate inside her for I just masturbated myself. We kissed intimately but no vaginal fluids & saliva. 2 weeks later I develop chillness with no fever, dizziness & on/off appetite lost.
Last I performed hiv test was last year sept 22, 2008. Reason I am here again just I am seeking advice from you guys, shall I perform another test now which is 6 weeks now or shall I wait for 13 weeks?
Truly, I cant get rid of hiv infection out of my mind ever since& whenever I have sex, hiv stays in my mind.
Thank-you very much.
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I have merged your posts so please use this one from now on..although I really can't see you being around here for much longer...it would seem you have learnt nothing since you were last here.
AGAIN nothing you have described has put you at risk for HIV..I suggest you read the advise HIVworker gave you back in January:
I STRONGLY suggest you get some professional mental health help with that - it's not normal. This forum can no longer be your emotional crutch and you should look to one-on-one personal help.
Jan
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I apologized for this matter. The message says that I should start a new topic instead since my last post was more than 60 days if I am not mistaken.
Thanx anniebc for the response.