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Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« on: May 31, 2013, 06:53:15 pm »
Evening, thanks for your efforts in advance. please will you evaluate this risk if any from kissing (french). Was at a party and kissed a girl I met. I suffer from mouth ulcers. Would that increase the risk in any way. Not sure if i had any cuts in my mouth would that change the risk profile. Really appreciate your and look forward to feedback :)

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Re: Kissing
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 06:59:24 pm »
Scounix, no matter what details you throw into the mix including mouth ulcers and more, kissing is not a risk for HIV transmission. You are worrying needlessly. There is no need for worry nor for testing.

Let it go and get on with your life.

Sexually the only confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV are unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. As long as you consistently and properly use condoms for those activities you will be well protected.

Cheers.
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Re: Kissing
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 07:00:58 pm »
Evening, thanks for your efforts in advance. please will you evaluate this risk if any from kissing (french). Was at a party and kissed a girl I met. I suffer from mouth ulcers. Would that increase the risk in any way. Not sure if i had any cuts in my mouth would that change the risk profile. Really appreciate your and look forward to feedback :)

Kissing is not a risk for HIV , absolutely zero risk . Saliva isn't infectious for HIV and contains dozens of proteins and enzymes that damage and render HIV unable to infect .

The risk for acquiring HIV sexually comes from unprotected vaginal and anal
intercourse , as long as you are using condoms correctly and consistently you will avoid exposure to HIV .

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT FURTHER HIV TESTING AT THIS TIME, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care checkup, including but not limited to HIV testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine checkups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine HIV tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than HIV. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid HIV infection. It really is that simple!



 
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Re: Kissing
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2013, 11:23:50 pm »
Thanks for the speedy reply, so based on the kissing(french) with all the added uclers etc, a HIV test would not be required if this is the only risk i am concerned about. have a great day and thanks again for assisting us

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2013, 11:27:54 pm »
You are welcome ... and you are reading it correctly , if kissing was your only concern than you didn't have a risk at all , so no need to test .
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Re: Kissing
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 01:51:11 am »
Thanks, has anybody been affected from HIV via that route. Regards

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 02:04:34 am »
Thanks, has anybody been affected from HIV via that route. Regards

WOuld we have said it was nor isk had anyone EVER been documented as having been infected via that route? We are not in the business of giving inaccurate HIV assessment.


I find it terribly sad that you can't be bothered to read our LESSONS on transmission. And that you seem to have missed the last decade or two of HIV education.

Kissing is not a risk. Period.

A man sexually contracts HIV from unprotected penetrative anal and vaginal intercourse. Period.

Also, don't share IV drug needles if you are shooting up with other people.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Kissing
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 12:59:38 pm »
Thanks, the unfortunate part of Internet as the various views of this topic. Some sites claim kissing can be a risk. As i mentioned would be great if views could somewhat be the same as it is based on science.

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Re: Kissing
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2013, 03:55:10 pm »
Any views on my comment

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2013, 04:00:51 pm »
Any views on my comment

Whats left to say . Nobody has ever been infected with HIV from kissing and you didn't have a risk . There is a lot of misinformation out there about HIV so we stick with the latest peer reviewed science and don't comment too much on why others do not .

 
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Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 11:14:59 am »
Hi,please can you assist with the following.

1. Does fingering have any risk? And would custom finger increase any risk
2. Does rubbing penis on Vagina have any risk. Went for massage and lady rubbed her vagina on my penis. No penetration at all.

Kind Regards, ;)

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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 11:25:35 am »
scounix,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

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1. Fingering is NOT a risk for hiv infection, regardless of whatever details you can come up with to add.

2. The rubbing you describe is called frottage (rubbing genitals together or on some part of the body without penetration), and frottage is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

You have already been told what IS a risk for hiv infection for an adult.

Unprotected anal intercourse.

Unprotected vaginal intercourse.

Sharing drug injecting equipment.

And that's IT.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY FOR HIV OVER KISSING, FINGERING OR FROTTAGE, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2013, 09:54:47 am »
Would anything change this risk of HIV Spread via Kissing. Lots of saliva was exchanged

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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2013, 10:07:57 am »
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

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We have been over the Kissing isn't a risk thing already ... If you had repeatedly punched a person in the mouth and they were a bloody dripping gory mess you may have a problem but you know what ... you wouldn't be kissing if that were to case would you  .   
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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2013, 02:47:57 pm »
Thank you for your reply, so cuts etc in the mouth make no increase risk at all

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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2013, 02:55:10 pm »
There has never been a case of HIV being transmitted from kissing , ever . That should be reassuring to you . 
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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2013, 02:57:42 pm »
scounix,

Kissing is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Stop trying to make it complicated. It's not complicated at all.

Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

So, saliva is not infectious, and it also acts as a barrier of sorts against hiv.

Not one person has EVER been infected through kissing and you are not going to be the first.

In adults, hiv is transmitted by:

Unprotected anal intercourse.

Unprotected vaginal intercourse.

Sharing drug injecting equipment.


Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and don't share drug injecting equipment, and you will avoid hiv infection.

It really is that simple!!!


Ann
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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2013, 10:04:33 am »
Thank you Jeff and Ann, so 100% no risk for kissing (French Kissing) even if i had a small cut or mouth ulcer. G_d bless you for your work

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Re: Fingering and Rubbing Penis
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2013, 11:55:14 am »
As you have been advised multiple times you never had an exposure.

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2013, 11:39:02 pm »
Morning All, when we say no risk for kissing, is this due to no one has ever reported it or has it been proven scientifically that HIV does not spread via French Kissing.. Thank you ;)

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2013, 11:45:21 pm »
Morning All, when we say no risk for kissing, is this due to no one has ever reported it or has it been proven scientifically that HIV does not spread via French Kissing.. Thank you ;)

Both ... kissing isn't a risk and saliva inhibits HIV . Do not ask this question again or you will be given a time out , just read this thread over and you have the answer .
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